[sustran] Re: BRT - switchover lanes

[Alan Howes]

Great minds ...
 
I've just been reading the organisational bits of Bina's post rather more carefully. I still don't have a feel for how much clout the CWG has - OK the Gov of Maharashtra has accepted the CWG report - but does that guarantee action (not just commissioning consultants, but committing to implementation).  And on a matter of detail, Bina says - 
"we at the MTSU have already submitted our report to the Government of Maharashtra- as long back as the 6th of February 2007"
and then
"The CWG Report was formally presented on the 6th of February, 2007, to all the departments ..."
 
So I assume the consultants have not yet been appointed.  I can't see them taking less than six months to report, and I would guess at least nine months for implementation, even at Western rates of action - what price bus lanes by the end of this year?
 
Is the MTSU report the same as the CWG report? When was the CWG formed? Sorry to ask so many questions!
 
Regards, Alan
 
 
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From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk at list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Brendan Finn
Sent: 16 March 2007 11:32
To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; edelman at greenidea.info
Subject: [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover lanes


Dear Alan, 
 
I think that's an excellent rule on three grounds : 
 
1) It is simple and unambiguous
 
2) The participants always know which situation they are in, and whether they should yield. It is highly visible when a potential yield situation arises, no need for control systems.
 
3) The priority is to clear the bus stopping place to make room for incoming buses, so it is right that buses leaving the stopping area should have priority.
 
With best wishes, 
 
 
Brendan.
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	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Alan Howes <mailto:Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk>  
	To: edelman at greenidea.info ; Global 'South' Sustainable Transport <mailto:sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>  
	Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:52 AM
	Subject: [sustran] Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a joke!

	I thought someone might think that! I take it what concerns you is the (two per stop) conflicts between buses moving in opposite directions? 
	
	Remember that the buses will be moving slowly as they are about to stop or are just leaving the stop. I don't know offhand what the maximum bus flows are likely to be, but I would not have thought that even in Mumbai there would be more than 120 buses per hour - correct me someone if I'm wrong (I could do a check, but it would take some time). At that level I see no problem with a simple "give way" arrangement (e.g. incoming buses always give way to leaving buses) - you could have traffic signals, but IMO that would be an unnecessary expense. 
	
	Regards, Alan
	
	
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk at list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory
	Sent: 16 March 2007 10:44
	To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
	Subject: [sustran] Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a joke!
	
	Alan Howes wrote:
	> [...] The problem, however, with with-flow bus lanes placed immediately to the left of the median is that, assuming bus stops are on the median, the bus doors are on the wrong side (an expensive problem to fix). MMRDA explained to me an ingenious proposal for overcoming this - at the stops the buses would swap sides, crossing the median through a gap immediately before and after the stop. This sounds perfectly feasible to me - the only potential problem I foresee is that the necessary gaps will be used (illegally) by other traffic, or even pedestrians (who get a pretty raw deal in terms of getting across the road).
	>   
	That seems really dangerous unless there are electronic safety systems, etc. Am I missing something?
	
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