<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgcolor=#ffffff> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great minds ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I've just been reading the organisational bits of Bina's post rather more carefully. I still don't have a feel for how much clout the CWG has - OK the Gov of Maharashtra has accepted the CWG report - but does that guarantee action (not just commissioning consultants, but committing to implementation).  And on a matter of detail, Bina says - </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>we at the MTSU have already submitted our report to the Government of Maharashtra- as long back as the 6th of February 2007"</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and then</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=984401912-16032007></SPAN>"<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>The CWG Report was formally presented on the 6th of February, 2007, to all the departments ..."</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So I assume the consultants have not yet been appointed.  I can't see them taking less than six months to report, and I would guess at least nine months for implementation, even at Western rates of action - what price bus lanes by the end of this year?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is the MTSU report the same as the CWG report? When was the CWG formed? Sorry to ask so many questions!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Regards, Alan</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=984401912-16032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>--<BR>Alan Howes<BR>Associate Transport Planner<BR>Colin Buchanan</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>4 St Colme Street<BR>Edinburgh      EH3 6AA<BR>Scotland<BR>email:  </FONT></SPAN><A title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk href="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk"><SPAN title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk><U title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>tel:      (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard)<BR>           (0)7952 464335  (mobile)<BR>fax:     (0)131 220 0232<BR>www: <A href="http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/">http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/</A><BR></DIV></FONT></SPAN> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left> <HR> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Brendan Finn<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 March 2007 11:32<BR><B>To:</B> Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; edelman@greenidea.info<BR><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover lanes<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Alan, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that's an excellent rule on three grounds : </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) It is simple and unambiguous</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) The participants always know which situation they are in, and whether they should yield. It is highly visible when a potential yield situation arises, no need for control systems.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3) The priority is to clear the bus stopping place to make room for incoming buses, so it is right that buses leaving the stopping area should have priority.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With best wishes, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brendan.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>_____________________________________________________________________________________<BR>From Brendan Finn, ETTS Ltd.   e-mail : <A href="mailto:etts@indigo.ie">etts@indigo.ie</A>   tel : +353.87.2530286</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk href="mailto:Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk">Alan Howes</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=edelman@greenidea.info href="mailto:edelman@greenidea.info">edelman@greenidea.info</A> ; <A title=sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org">Global 'South' Sustainable Transport</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 16, 2007 10:52 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a joke!</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I thought someone might think that! I take it what concerns you is the (two per stop) conflicts between buses moving in opposite directions? <BR><BR>Remember that the buses will be moving slowly as they are about to stop or are just leaving the stop. I don't know offhand what the maximum bus flows are likely to be, but I would not have thought that even in Mumbai there would be more than 120 buses per hour - correct me someone if I'm wrong (I could do a check, but it would take some time). At that level I see no problem with a simple "give way" arrangement (e.g. incoming buses always give way to leaving buses) - you could have traffic signals, but IMO that would be an unnecessary expense. <BR><BR>Regards, Alan<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Alan Howes<BR>Associate Transport Planner<BR>Colin Buchanan <BR>4 St Colme Street<BR>Edinburgh      EH3 6AA<BR>Scotland<BR>email:  <A href="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk">alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk</A><BR>tel:      (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard)<BR>           (0)7952 464335  (mobile)<BR>fax:     (0)131 220 0232<BR>www: <A href="http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/">http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/</A><BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org">sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org</A> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory<BR>Sent: 16 March 2007 10:44<BR>To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport<BR>Subject: [sustran] Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a joke!<BR><BR>Alan Howes wrote:<BR>> [...] The problem, however, with with-flow bus lanes placed immediately to the left of the median is that, assuming bus stops are on the median, the bus doors are on the wrong side (an expensive problem to fix). MMRDA explained to me an ingenious proposal for overcoming this - at the stops the buses would swap sides, crossing the median through a gap immediately before and after the stop. This sounds perfectly feasible to me - the only potential problem I foresee is that the necessary gaps will be used (illegally) by other traffic, or even pedestrians (who get a pretty raw deal in terms of getting across the road).<BR>>   <BR>That seems really dangerous unless there are electronic safety systems, etc. Am I missing something?<BR><BR>- T<BR><BR>-- <BR><BR>--------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Todd Edelman<BR>Director<BR>Green Idea Factory<BR><BR>Korunn� 72<BR>CZ-10100 Praha 10<BR>Czech Republic<BR><BR>++420 605 915 970<BR>++420 222 517 832<BR>Skype: toddedelman<BR><BR><A href="mailto:edelman@greenidea.eu">edelman@greenidea.eu</A><BR><A href="http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain">http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain</A><BR><BR>Green Idea Factory,<BR>a member of World Carfree Network<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT color=#0000ff> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>............................................................................................................................................................................................</FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>DISCLAIMER</FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. 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