[sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

[Lee Schipper]

I think it is worth mentioning that Hanoi has at least twice the
ownership rate of two-wheelers of any city in India, more than 1 two
wheeler per household. That means that any urban rail way or BRT (one of
each is under development) has to compete with one of the most motorized
populations in the entire world. Here is a bit of background from my
EMBARQ days.
http://www.embarq.org/en/our-work/publications/hanoi-vietnam
Commuting distances are relatively short, one reason why the
conventional bus system started 10 years ago and two wheelers are so
popular, not to mention conventional bicycles and even more conventional
feet. There is a master plan for developing more distant suburbs where
an urban rail network could be useful, but that may depend on how the
authorities deal with the cost of two wheeler fuel and whether there is
a sensible way of charging for increasingly crowded road space in the
main parts of Hanoi.


Lee Schipper, Ph.D.
Project Scientist, Global Metropolitan Studies, UC Berkeley
Senior Research Engineer, Precourt Energy Efficiency Center, Stanford
Univ.
phone +1 510 642 6889
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Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:44 AM
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Subject: [sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under
construction

Dear All,

Even though I have subscribed to this group since 2005, I have not
participated in their discussions so far. With my background of more
than 16 years of my service life in operating maintaining, planning and
designing suburban rail services of Indian Railways in Mumbai which
today carries nearly 7 million passengers daily on 5 HRT corridors of
which two carry main line passenger and freight traffic also. Design
capacity of these corridors is 1.2 million for dedicated corridors and
half that for mainline corridors, I felt emboldened to muscle in on the
august array of transport specialists on this issue.

According to Demografia 2008, Hanoi is the second largest city of
Vietnam with a population of 3 million with average population density
of 154.5 persons/ha. According to global standards for rail based public
transport, this is the only alternative available for meeting the demand
- Tokyo, Hong Kong. Mumbai Moscow. (Dr. Kenworthy's work for UITP and WB
in 1990s.). Hanoi is planning for a capacity of  28000 pphpd which works
out as 467 000 trips/day which is low compared to likely demand with CBD
densities (Job +
population) exceeding 300 as in Mumbai where Mumbai Island has a density
of 800/ha.

Mumbai also had difficulties in acquiring land for Railways which was
solved by promulgating TDR for the entire Mumbai Metropolitan Region
with an estimated population of 21 million (17 million in 2001, 2011
census results are not yet out). It was an innovative solution first
issued by local State Government in 1991 and now copied by other metros
of India. Even US is having such rules in some cities with heavy rail.
Vietnam has a technical collaboration agreement with India, since it was
was united and IR has participated in some of their projects for
Railways. 
Mumbai has a separate Joint sector Corporation Mumbai Rail Vikas
Corporation undertaking Railway component of Mumbai Urban Transport
Projects Jointly funder by IBRD, Indian Government (through IR) and
Maharashtra Government. 
They are available at  www.mrvc.indianrail.gov.in   Sanctioned projects 
under execution are about 2 billion dollars.

Members of the group needing additional information on Indian high
capacity public transport systems  can contact me and I will try my best
to get it from original sources. IR uses wide bodied coaches 3667 mm and
Dual traction system 1500 V. D.C. (under replacement) and 25 kV single
phase 50 Hz system in Mumbai and other metropolitan areas. However Hanoi
project as per data on the site quoted in the letter, mentions Chinese
Government's aid for the project.

Ho Chi Minh city in Vietnam has recently got Japanese aid for a Metro
Rail System Project (Financed by the Japan Special Fund) under ADB aegis
www.adb.org/projects/project.asp?id=39500.

With regards.

K. P. Padiyar



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Subject: [sustran] First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

> Source:
> http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/201009/First-urban-railway-route-i
> n-Hanoi-under-construction-937891/
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> Looking forward to see the fare and wonder how could they make it more

> tempted than that of riding a motorcycle for people.
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