[sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...

[Madhav Badami, Prof.]

Hello all,

Here is a far more modest assessment of what the proposed M1 expansion would buy in buses. 

21 million pounds per mile X 240 miles = 5,040 million pounds

At 250,000 pounds per 40-foot low-floor bus, 5,040 million pounds would buy 20,000 buses.

London's bus fleet, I understand, is 8000 strong. 20,000 buses, I figure, would be a significant proportion of the UK bus fleet (our UK colleagues can tell us what the total UK bus fleet is).

While I obviously goofed up big time with my previous calculation as I was rushing to head off (MORAL: NEVER E-MAIL, AND CERTAINLY, NEVER MASS E-MAIL, IN A HURRY), for which I apologize most sincerely to one and all, that's a lot of buses (and one can try and estimate the relative accessibility, mobility, energy, environmental and other impacts of investing 5.04 billion in the M1 expansion versus 20,000 additional buses).

Madhav
 
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Madhav G. Badami, PhD
School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
McGill University
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-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca at list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Madhav Badami, Prof.
Sent: Sun 5/6/2007 12:36 PM
To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
Subject: [sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...
 
Yikes, yikes ... I missed a few thousand zeros ... mea culpa. I just realized my massive blunder a few minutes after I headed off on my shopping trip (in my car, I must confess). A million apologies. Just got back ... will re-do the calculation.

Madhav

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"As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it."
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
Madhav G. Badami, PhD
School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
McGill University
Macdonald-Harrington Building
815 Sherbrooke Street West
Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada
 
Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home)
Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643
URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning
www.mcgill.ca/mse
e-mail: madhav.badami at mcgill.ca




-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca at list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Pendakur
Sent: Sun 5/6/2007 12:04 PM
To: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
Subject: [sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...
 
Madhav, what am I missing here?

1 million pounds will give us 4 buses, 21 million gives us 84 buses.  This
is not enough to provide the provide the entire population of UK with a bus
each!

What am I missing?

Cheers.

Setty 
Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
Professor Emeritus, University of BC 
Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences; 
Director, ITDP (NY) & Secretary, ABE90-TRB

President, Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
702- 1099 Marinaside Cresecent, Vancouver, BC
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-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+pendakur=interchange.ubc.ca at list.jca.apc.org
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] On Behalf Of Madhav Badami, Prof.
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:00 AM
To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
Subject: [sustran] M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...

Hello all,

I saw this report in the Guardian just now ... the M1 widening is estimated
to cost 21 million pounds per mile:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073611,00.html

At that rate, you could buy, with what it would cost to widen just one mile
of the M1, every man, woman and child in the UK a bus of their own (assuming
a 40-foot low-floor bus costs about 250,000 pounds), and you would have 6
million pounds left over for whatever else you may care to do.

Madhav Badami

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"As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it."
Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
Madhav G. Badami, PhD
School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
McGill University
Macdonald-Harrington Building
815 Sherbrooke Street West
Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada
 
Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home)
Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643
URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning
www.mcgill.ca/mse
e-mail: madhav.badami at mcgill.ca


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