[sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...

[Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory]

Hi again,

At 250 pounds per bicycle, 5,040 million pounds would buy over 2,000,000 bicycles. Or about 5000 rail carriages.

- T

p.s. or ten of these: <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Queen_Mary_II_Einlaufen_Hamburg_Hafengeburtstag_2006_-2.jpg/800px-Queen_Mary_II_Einlaufen_Hamburg_Hafengeburtstag_2006_-2.jpg>

or maybe 10 billion of these: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Curry_Beanz.jpg>



Madhav Badami, Prof. wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Here is a far more modest assessment of what the proposed M1 expansion would buy in buses. 
>
> 21 million pounds per mile X 240 miles = 5,040 million pounds
>
> At 250,000 pounds per 40-foot low-floor bus, 5,040 million pounds would buy 20,000 buses.
>
> London's bus fleet, I understand, is 8000 strong. 20,000 buses, I figure, would be a significant proportion of the UK bus fleet (our UK colleagues can tell us what the total UK bus fleet is).
>
> While I obviously goofed up big time with my previous calculation as I was rushing to head off (MORAL: NEVER E-MAIL, AND CERTAINLY, NEVER MASS E-MAIL, IN A HURRY), for which I apologize most sincerely to one and all, that's a lot of buses (and one can try and estimate the relative accessibility, mobility, energy, environmental and other impacts of investing 5.04 billion in the M1 expansion versus 20,000 additional buses).
>
> Madhav
>  
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> "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it."
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>  
> Madhav G. Badami, PhD
> School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca at list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Madhav Badami, Prof.
> Sent: Sun 5/6/2007 12:36 PM
> To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...
>  
> Yikes, yikes ... I missed a few thousand zeros ... mea culpa. I just realized my massive blunder a few minutes after I headed off on my shopping trip (in my car, I must confess). A million apologies. Just got back ... will re-do the calculation.
>
> Madhav
>
> ************************************************************************
>
> "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it."
> Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>  
> Madhav G. Badami, PhD
> School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
> McGill University
> Macdonald-Harrington Building
> 815 Sherbrooke Street West
> Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada
>  
> Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home)
> Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643
> URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning
> www.mcgill.ca/mse
> e-mail: madhav.badami at mcgill.ca
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca at list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Pendakur
> Sent: Sun 5/6/2007 12:04 PM
> To: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
> Subject: [sustran] Re: M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...
>  
> Madhav, what am I missing here?
>
> 1 million pounds will give us 4 buses, 21 million gives us 84 buses.  This
> is not enough to provide the provide the entire population of UK with a bus
> each!
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Setty 
> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of BC 
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences; 
> Director, ITDP (NY) & Secretary, ABE90-TRB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+pendakur=interchange.ubc.ca at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+pendakur=interchange.ubc.ca at list.jca.apc.org
> ] On Behalf Of Madhav Badami, Prof.
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:00 AM
> To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
> Subject: [sustran] M1 Expansion to cost 21 million pounds per mile ...
>
> Hello all,
>
> I saw this report in the Guardian just now ... the M1 widening is estimated
> to cost 21 million pounds per mile:
>
> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2073611,00.html
>
> At that rate, you could buy, with what it would cost to widen just one mile
> of the M1, every man, woman and child in the UK a bus of their own (assuming
> a 40-foot low-floor bus costs about 250,000 pounds), and you would have 6
> million pounds left over for whatever else you may care to do.
>
> Madhav Badami
>
> ************************************************************************
>
> "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it."
> Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>  
> Madhav G. Badami, PhD
> School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment
> McGill University
> Macdonald-Harrington Building
> 815 Sherbrooke Street West
> Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada
>  
> Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home)
> Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643
> URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning
> www.mcgill.ca/mse
> e-mail: madhav.badami at mcgill.ca
>
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