[sustran] Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving...

[Sunny]

Yes I agree with this. Who will bear the social cots? I guess BP would 
charge 30 GBP per year for building a hospital for the road accident 
patients.
Sunny

Carlos F. Pardo SUTP wrote:
>
> But, from what I understand, the environment is not the only reason to 
> stop using cars (or to use them less). There's also accidents, 
> inequity, excessive use of roadspace, etc. Thus, even if a car is 
> zero-emissions, it would still pose problems!
>
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> *De:* LotsLessCars at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:LotsLessCars at yahoogroups.com] *En nombre de *Anzir Boodoo
> *Enviado el:* Martes, 29 de Agosto de 2006 04:45 a.m.
> *Para:* LotsLessCars at yahoogroups.com
> *Asunto:* Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving...
>
> João,
> On 29 Aug 2006, at 07:02, João Lacerda wrote:
> > I am very curious to know some thoughts of our british friends
> > concerning this issue.
> (below)
>
> So, it's OK to use your car as much as you want, because it's now
> carbon neutral. So there is no environmental reason to stop using
> your car...
>
> Problems:
>
> 1. Carbon emission offsets are no longer considered environmentally
> equivalent to burning less fuel in the first place
>
> 2. An average aggregate of CO2 emitted takes no account of whether
> the car burning the fuel is a Prius or a Hummer
>
> 3. Likewise, emissions in urban areas with heavy traffic probably
> have much higher direct impacts than in open rural areas where they
> can dissipate quickly. Of course, this is also ignoring the
> interaction between emissions and atmospheric conditions... the
> impact of a unit of CO2 emission can vary depending on where it is
> emitted.
>
> 4. This also ignores CO, NOx and SOx. So even if you are carbon
> neutral, CO is not friendly, and NOx and SOx are still not neutral.
>
> 5. If a significant number of people signed up to this, would there
> be enough space to plant the trees? GBP 20 a year seems far too low
> to me... I assume saplings (small trees) do not soak up huge amounts
> of CO2, so it will take many years for the full effect of the "carbon
> sink" to work... in this period of years, what happens to the CO2
> that is in the atmosphere, and is it recoverable by the trees in
> 10-20 years from now?
>
> 6. How does this work in terms of Kyoto? Or is everyone quietly
> forgetting that now (forgive me for being rude and actually being
> bothered about the whole thing...)
>
> 7. If everybody is happy to drive their cars when and where they want
> (since it's now "carbon neutral"), will people ignore the effects of
> traffic (not just pollution, but stress and wasted time)?
>
> I think it's an interesting start, but is it starting us in the right
> direction? After all, I assume BP only has a certain amount of fuel,
> which is going to run out soon...
> > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers
> > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818 
> <http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818>
> >
> >
> > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers
> >
> > LONDON - British motorists will be able to neutralise their CO2
> > emissions by paying an average 20 pounds a year towards offsetting
> > their pollution after oil company BP launched a new Internet scheme
> > on Wednesday.
> >
> > Drivers will be able to calculate their annual CO2 emissions using
> > the www.targetneutral.com Web site and help fund environmental
> > projects like wind farms.
> >
> > An average car, driven 10,000 miles a year, will generate about
> > four tonnes of CO2, about enough to fill a medium-sized hot air
> > balloon. To neutralise this amount of carbon emissions would cost
> > about 20 pounds.
> >
> > "Targetneutral is a practical and straightforward step that BP is
> > taking to enable drivers to help the environment," said BP's UK
> > Director Peter Mather.
> >
> > "BP is taking the lead because our extensive research shows that
> > there is a huge consumer demand for such a scheme, but a general
> > feeling from customers that they 'don't know where to start,'" he
> > added in a statement.
> >
> > Motorists' money from the targetneutral scheme, excluding VAT and
> > payment transaction costs, will be used to buy CO2 emission
> > reductions via the purchase of carbon credits. BP, which has
> > provided the start-up funding and will pay for running costs, will
> > not receive any money.
> >
> > The company will also make a direct contribution to targetneutral
> > when motorists using the scheme buy BP petrol using a Nectar
> > loyalty card.
> >
> > The money generated from targetneutral will be used for a range of
> > environmental projects including alternative and renewable energy
> > -- such as biomass, wind farms and methane capture schemes.
> >
> > Offsetting schemes have become increasingly popular in recent
> > years, but some environmentalists are critical of them, saying
> > reducing emissions should be the top priority.
> >
> > Story Date: 24/8/2006
>
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