[sustran] Re: More about on-street parking

[Todd Edelman]

Hi again,

The problem is that if you design a city to allow some cars, it is REALLY
hard to not allow lots and lots of cars.

A carfree city would have a metrofreight or tramfreight system which
combined with local electric deliveries and bicycles will make personal
cars, carshare cars and of course trucks unnecessary.

If people are walking, cycling or even taking the tram they will be able
to see which stores are which as they will be moving slow enough or wont
be distracted by having to drive.

And, you push for a ban, you build a place where people have no reason to
push for cars.

t



> Todd
>
> You are indeed a fundamentalist. Personally, I can see times when a car is
> OK to use. For example,
> when carrying large items.
>
> Not all buffers are alike, by the way, when it comes to shopping
> districts. Stores want to be visible, and for aesthetics, facades often
> need to be visible, not blocked by trees.
>
> Even though I would like to see far fewer cars in our cities, I think that
> pushing for an absolute ban
> is counterproductive. We wouldn't even be able to get in the door to most
> politicians' offices.
>
> Eric Bruun
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Todd Edelman <edelman at greenidea.info>
>>Sent: Apr 25, 2006 2:31 AM
>>To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport
>> <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
>>Subject: [sustran] Re: More about on-street parking
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I suppose I could admit I am a "carfree fundamentalist" who sees nothing
>>sustainable about cities which allow individually owned and operated cars
>>inside....so I will just mostly ignore this "better car parking" stuff.
>>So just comment:
>>
>>> ...
>>> on-street parking can act as a buffer between pedestrians and a busy
>>> arterial.
>>
>>I have heard this argument before. Arent there better buffers? For
>>example, trees, plants, bikelanes, watercourses, sculptures, vending
>>machines, and so on? In carcities, how about if it was a rule that if you
>>are so close to pedestrians you simply have to drive really, really slow?
>>This is not rocket science.
>>
>>---
>>
>>This list really confuses me sometimes.
>>
>>Do people want to spend their whole professional lives (and afterwards)
>>regulating parking and trying to get cars to slow down? How many people
>> on
>>this would be perfectly happy to not be able to use a car if their city
>>was designed to provide everything you need without one? To reference a
>>recent thread on this list, are people ready to sacrifice
>>sustainability(!) for peace, quiet, safety and proximity?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>T
>>
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>>
>>Todd Edelman
>>International Coordinator
>>On the Train Towards the Future!
>>
>>Green Idea Factory
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>>CZ-13000 Praha 3
>>
>>++420 605 915 970
>>
>>edelman at greenidea.info
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>>
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>>
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> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus
> is on urban transport policy in Asia.
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Todd Edelman
International Coordinator
On the Train Towards the Future!

Green Idea Factory
Laubova 5
CZ-13000 Praha 3

++420 605 915 970

edelman at greenidea.info
http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain

Green Idea Factory,
a member of World Carfree Network