From joshuaodeleye at yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 17:41:16 2011 From: joshuaodeleye at yahoo.com (joshua odeleye) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 01:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: Fazilka Dial-a-rickshaw project on MIT radar In-Reply-To: <004b01cc4e7a$f7fa1480$e7ee3d80$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: <1312188076.82795.YahooMailClassic@web112903.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This is a green-mode,low-carbon project indeed.Congratulations to the initiators.The city authorities would have to be carried along,so as to complement this effort in many ways. Regards, Joshua Odeleye Nigerian Institute of Transport Technology Zaria,NIGERIA --- On Sat, 7/30/11, eric britton wrote: From: eric britton Subject: [sustran] Fazilka Dial-a-rickshaw project on MIT radar To: "'Asija, Navdeep'" , Cities-for-Mobility@yahoogroups.com, sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org, WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com Cc: czegras@mit.edu, "'Albert Ching'" Date: Saturday, July 30, 2011, 1:38 AM _____________________________________________________ World Streets ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Make them yours This is a terrific, excellent world-level project Navdeep. I have been following some of the rumblings on it with my ear to the ground on this end of the planet, but your note of this morning clarifies and makes my mouth water. The mere fact of putting at the base of the project the one and only cardinal rule of real sustainable transport, i.e., you work with what you have.? Brilliant!! All involved, including Chris and Albert, you and Sandeep and surely many others, are to be congratulated on their clear original thinking. Now let's see how it plays out. I would love to have an article(s) for World Streets on this, and then to follow up as things progress.? What can I say? Wow! Thank you again, Eric ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director ? ? World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships? / Sustainability Seminar Series ???8, rue Jospeh Bara???75006 Paris France ???Tel. +331 7550 3788???|? editor@newmobility.org???|? Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+editor=worldstreets.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+editor=worldstreets.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Asija, Navdeep Sent: Saturday, 30 July, 2011 06:05 To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [sustran] Fazilka Dial-a-rickshaw project on MIT radar Chandigarh Fazilka, :: the newly-created district of Punjab, is making news on the international front. Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in US is studying its eco cab project, where a rickshaw arrives at your doorstep soon after you call up a call centre. Their objective: To see how the new experiment can help civic bodies offset the traditional car-centric development patterns that have handicapped many cities ? from Beijing to Bangalore. The project, titled ?Future of Urban Mobility?, has been given to MIT by the Singapore government to study solutions in regard to sustainable urban transport. What has excited MIT about the dial-a-rickshaw project in Fazilka is how intelligence systems (cellphone network) can be used with existing transportation modes to benefit townships. To study the project in detail, Albert Ching ? a research assistant in the Department of Urban Studies and Planning at MIT ? recently visited Fazilka. His specific mandate was to study the eco cab project in the township. Speaking to The Indian Express, Ching said preliminary study has revealed that intelligence infrastructure (mobile telephony) in India has developed much ahead of transport infrastructure. ?India has more than 700 million cellphones versus about 13 million cars. After visiting Fazilka, I learnt fully how their project works. They have five call centres ? one for each sub-zone. You dial the call centre in your area and within five to ten minutes, the rickshaw puller reaches you,? said Ching. The aspiring urban innovator said this is almost a revolution in terms of urban transport. ?It takes care of multiple issues like traffic congestion, air pollution, parking, road safety, etc,? he said. With the efforts of Graduates Welfare Association Fazilka (GWAF) ? a local NGO ? and the local administration, Fazilka now has car-free zones and pedestrian areas. Ching was told to study the Fazilka project by P Christopher Zegras, associate professor in Transportation and Urban Planning at MIT. ?The Fazilka experiment seems to offer an important demonstration of merging advanced mobile communications technology with sustainable mobility services. Such advances will be crucial to improving the quality of life in urban areas across the world in the 21st century ? offering affordable, reliable, convenient, job-creating, low-carbon mobility solutions,? Zegras told The Indian Express. The researchers studying the ?Future of Urban Mobility? project at MIT have found that a major problem being faced by developed countries like Singapore is their car-centric infrastructure. This has caused a high auto-dependence, with too many people choosing to use cars. ?Countries like Singapore can?t turn back the clock. But many other cities which have rickshaws in public transport can replicate the eco cab concept. Fazilka will be a case study for our project, to spread the word about how it can be done. If something good happens in Fazilka but nobody comes to know about it, it will be a big waste,? said Ching. GWAF Secretary Navdeep Asija said the township has five call centres for the eco cab project. The project will get a further boost with a new scheme introduced by Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited (BSNL). Sandeep Diwan, BSNL?s General Manager (Enterprise Business) said that for the first time in the country, the Nigam has given 900 pre-paid mobile connections under a closed user group. Within the group, users have free unlimited calling. With a dedicated series, the project will soon have nine call centres and greater access to rickshaw pullers. ?The eco cab project works best within a zone of 3 km. Bigger cities can create sub-zones to ensure success of the project,? said Asija. http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/dialarickshaw-project-on-mit-radar/8 24499/ HC flak for Haryana for not launching eco cabs Irked over non-filing of a response with regard to the steps taken for the launch of eco cabs, the Punjab and Haryana High Court on Friday directed the director of Haryana urban bodies department to be present before the court on the next date of hearing. A division bench comprising Justices Surya Kant and Ajay Tewari observed that the state?s response was not too serious towards the issue. The directions were passed during the resumed hearing of a PIL arising out of a suo motu notice taken by the high court on a news item published in The Indian Express. The court held that on March 25, the bench had asked the government to get in touch with Navdeep Asija ? running a Graduates Welfare Association in Fazilka ? to take his views into consideration on the issue of introducing eco rickshaws. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/hc-flak-for-haryana-for-not-launching-eco- cabs/824505/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From c_bradshaw at rogers.com Tue Aug 2 02:16:11 2011 From: c_bradshaw at rogers.com (Chris Bradshaw) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:16:11 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: A very short list of very bad practices References: <1311168232.77507.YahooMailNeo@web137311.mail.in.yahoo.com><1311243129.53686.YahooMailClassic@web39410.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4e2818fe.082d2b0a.508a.ffffa6c2SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: <3EB8731CB8F545CDA7EAE1CBFE3B994B@acer6e40e97492> The reference to "enclosure" (as per the special Ecologist issue of 1993) is apt. The spaces between properties has always been "public" in the sense that anyone can use it for truly public purposes, on the assumption that their use is relatively frugal, space- and time-wise. Yes, some "commons-sharing" works in long-time resource sharing situations, as Nobel Economics-prize winner, Elinor Ostrom (in Governing the Commons, 1995, and elsewhere) has proven. B ut the city is a much different place; too many people, too anonymously related. We can't expect a committee to form in each block to protect the common resources of public space. The introduction of cars has created this crisis. The car, itself, is an enclosure, but of about 20 times the space a pedestrian needs for fairly free movement. Driver locks his enclosure when he leaves his car, denying any passersby access to 4-6 seats that pedestrians never can find when they need it. Drivers also assume they have privacy in their cars, and will use tinted glass to get it, also masking their identity in cases in which their driving has injured or endangered vulnerable road users. If a passerby even leans against the car's exterior, it is seen as a major social faux pas. In Canada, we are settling land claims with aboriginal people, as process that is well over a hundred years old. This is somewhat ironic, since aboriginals' system of wisdom doesn't provide for the European model of private ownership (enclosure). I live in downtown Ottawa, on lands which are still being negotiated over. But what about the public places, as the European system has created: the spaces that form the public-access system that all properties front on? People on foot, and those who own common conveyances for hire (e.g., rickshaws) of fairly frugal dimensions, are being pushed off their land by vehicles that are far larger, faster, heavier, and less frugally utilized, all to provide a private space for its own owner while in the public domain. Cars are an invention that has no use except to be used in public spaces. Because of private ownership, the car is much larger/heavier than urban use dictates, its versatility being our bane. We should initiate land claims in the name of aboriginal trnsportation modes and their users to get back these places. The provision of sidewalks, which are meant to display a kind of sharing of this space, fails badly when those on foot want to get across the street to the other side. As was pointed out, crossing at places where it is approved, is often more dangerous than doing it mid-block where is is supposedly more dangerous. When did pedestrians give up our right to cross the street freely and safely? The problem arises because the motor-traffic portion has been improved to appear to be a singular conduit channeling vehicles from far and wide along that stretch of space, while the thousands of different walking routes that transcect are formalized ('enclosed'). Ottawa has just put in separated bike lanes along the sidewalk edge along a 10-block section of a downtown street. A number of parking spaces were removed to make room for it, but also it has become more of a problem for pedestrians to cross the street, with these stand-alone curbs creating a barrier that is more problematic than the sidewalk's curb (since there is a drop-off on both sides). At corners, crosswalks have been shifted further from the sidewalk alignment to make way for a bike 'island' to be used by cyclists turning left. When I questioned the proposal, I was told this will increase the modal share for cycling, which is what happened when Copenhagen installed them thoughout the downtown. But I now realize that they are intended to keep the cyclists out of the motorists' way, more than the reverse. Copenhagen already had achieved its legendary cycling modal share; it was motorists who found the 'going' tough downtown, who probably demanded some separation. Chris Bradshaw From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Aug 4 08:17:00 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:17:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] =?windows-1252?Q?Women_Withhold_Sex_in_=93Crossed_Leg?= =?windows-1252?Q?=94_Protest_to_Rebuild_Road_in_Colombia?= Message-ID: <4E39D6EC.5030503@greenidea.eu> *Women Withhold Sex in ?Crossed Leg? Protest to Rebuild Road in Colombia* http://www.care2.com/causes/women-withhold-sex-in-crossed-leg-protest-to-rebuild-road-in-colombia.html#ixzz1U0iiR6Xt The women of Barbacoas, Colombia have launched a sex strike in their town in an effort to get the inadequate ? and dangerous ? road that links the town to the main province paved. For over a month now, the women have withheld all sexual activity in a protest that has been coined the ?crossed leg movement.? While it may seem that road construction might not be of immediate concern to some, it turns out that the unpaved road has become a dangerous hazard for the community for a variety of reasons. For one, the town is in a volatile area of the country that is affected by ongoing guerrilla and paramilitary attacks. Without a safe and direct route out of the town, the entire community suffers. In addition, because of the unpaved road the cost of food is five or six times that of other areas of the country. The unpaved road has also led to many deaths. Often times in emergencies, ambulances get stuck in the mud and are unable to reach people in time. Judge Marybell Silva, a spokesperson for the movement, has experienced this reality first hand. ?I personally had to see a 23-year-old pregnant woman die along with her unborn baby just because the ambulance got stuck on the road and could not reach [the capital of the region]. That?s when I knew we had to do something.? A Human Rights Issue For the women of Barbacoas, the unpaved road is not simply a matter of road construction; it is a matter of their human rights. ?We are being deprived of our most human rights and as women we can?t allow that to happen,? says Ruby Quinonez, one of the leaders of the movement. ?Why bring children into this world when they can just die without medical attention and we can?t even offer them the most basic rights? We decided to stop having sex and stop having children until the state fulfills its previous promises.? Withholding sex for these women is about more than a paved road. It?s about access to medical care; it?s about being able to feed your family; it?s about protecting the town?s future children; it?s about creating a safe and fruitful place for the people to live. Withholding Sex Not a New Concept In a Guardian article about the Barbacoas sex strike, the headline says the ?crossed leg? protest is ?redefining women?s activism? and that the women are ?riding a wave of redefinition of what it means to be a feminist in modern times.? But the political tactic of women withholding sex as a means to achieving an end is actually not a new concept. In fact, the concept goes all the way back to ancient Greece with Aristophanes? comic play ?Lysistrata? in which women withhold sex in an effort to end the Peloponnesian War. The ?Lysistrata? effect was even used this year back in March in an effort to garner support for Planned Parenthood. In a video, called ?For Those With Vaginas,? women call on their peers to withhold sex from men who do not support funding for Planned Parenthood. In an interesting twist, the Movember campaign used the ?Lysistrata? effect this year in the opposite way. A video in support of the campaign calls on women to have sex with men who grow a mustache in support of prostate cancer. Whether it is withholding sex or encouraging sex, is it effective to link women?s sexuality to activism? Withholding Sex as a Means of Activism Under the banner ?No more sex. We want our road.? the women of Barbacoas are working towards a goal that in the end will benefit the entire community. However, is withholding sex an effective means of activism? To me the notion of a sex strike reinforces gender stereotypes that I would have hoped we have moved far past. A sex strike implies that men are horny, sex driven animals who are unable to go without sex. The hope is that men will crack without sex and answer women?s demands, whatever they may be. Why does sex have to be the vehicle to achieve a goal that will in the end benefit not just the women in the community, but everyone? On the flip side, I have to admit that I might not even be writing about this problem had there not been a sex strike that made the news. Let?s face it, sex grabs headlines and the more press a cause gets the better. Maybe articles like this one will help the women in their plight. I certainly hope so. What do you think? Will the sex strike in Colombia work? Is withholding sex an effective means of activism? -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From alok.priyanka at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 10:50:37 2011 From: alok.priyanka at gmail.com (Jains) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:20:37 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Pedestrian Street in Mumbai, India Message-ID: Friends, We are proposing a pedestrian street in Mumbai as a part of private sector led urban regeneration project. There is a requirement to provide exactly same amount of "Public Streets" as they are existing at present and this proposed pedestrian street falls into that area. Concern has been expressed over terming this as a "pedestrian street" as this street area is part of the public street area requirement. Can vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a private development? We do not mind terming this street as limited access street. Does anybody know of the laws or statutory requirements governing this? Any international examples in this context would also be useful. Also, as part of putting a self-enforcing mechanism, we were looking at putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on this pedestrian / limited access street. Is that permissible? Regards Alok From binacb at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 11:20:18 2011 From: binacb at gmail.com (Bina C.Balakrishnan) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:50:18 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Pedestrian Street in Mumbai, India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alok, That is a very interesting development. I tried very hard while in Mumbai to make a few streets pedestrian only at least during certain hours of the day - and failed because of the car lobby. Which part of Mumbai is your project located? A few questions and comments: 1. "There is a requirement to provide exactly same amount of "Public Streets" as they are existing at present" : Who has come up with this requirement - the MMRDA or the MCGM? What is the volume of vehicular traffic in the area? Does this volume justify this demand? 2. "this street area is part of the public street area requirement." Could you clarify this, please? 3. "Can vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a private development?" No, especially if the public street provides access to other land uses other than your development 4. " putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on this pedestrian / limited access street" No, for the same reason stated above. But if you have the concurrence of all the other users of the area to do so, I see no problem. Incidentally, are you proposing to provide parking inside this "pedestrian street?" What is the car ownership like inside this development? Best *Bina C. Balakrishnan* *Consultant - Sustainable Transportation Policy, Planning & Management India * *Cell: +91 99536 94218 (Gurgaon)* * +91 98339 00108 (Mumbai) * * e-mail: binacb@gmail.com binac@rediffmail.com web : www.binabalakrishnan.com skype: binacb* On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Jains wrote: > Friends, > > We are proposing a pedestrian street in Mumbai as a part of private > sector led urban regeneration project. There is a requirement to > provide exactly same amount of "Public Streets" as they are existing > at present and this proposed pedestrian street falls into that area. > Concern has been expressed over terming this as a "pedestrian street" > as this street area is part of the public street area requirement. Can > vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a private > development? We do not mind terming this street as limited access > street. Does anybody know of the laws or statutory requirements > governing this? Any international examples in this context would also > be useful. > > Also, as part of putting a self-enforcing mechanism, we were looking > at putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on this > pedestrian / limited access street. Is that permissible? > > Regards > Alok > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- * * From edelman at greenidea.eu Fri Aug 5 22:21:00 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:21:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] My quarterly comment on Shell, EMBARQ's Global Strategic Partner Message-ID: <4E3BEE3C.3050603@greenidea.eu> Please comment only off-list!! regarding http://www.embarq.org/en/about/global-strategic-partners One thing good, or at least a bit of justice: "Shell accepts liability for two oil spills in Nigeria" http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/03/shell-liability-oil-spills-nigeria?intcmp=239 see also: "Niger delta oil spills clean-up will take 30 years, says UN" http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/aug/04/niger-delta-oil-spill-clean-up-un AND One thing bad, a horrible disaster in the making: "Shell Oil gets tentative Arctic offshore drilling green light from Feds" http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/shell-oil-gets-tentative-arctic-offshore-drilling-green-light-feds -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 05:43:50 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:43:50 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Pedestrian Street in Mumbai, India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E3C5606.6070100@gmail.com> Though you may have already read it, the Carfree Development module by Lloyd Wright provides good information on this topic. It is available in www.sutp.org (free registration is needed). Best regards, Carlos On 04/08/2011 09:20 p.m., Bina C.Balakrishnan wrote: > Alok, > > That is a very interesting development. I tried very hard while in Mumbai to > make a few streets pedestrian only at least during certain hours of the day > - and failed because of the car lobby. Which part of Mumbai is your project > located? A few questions and comments: > > 1. "There is a requirement to provide exactly same amount of "Public > Streets" as they are existing at present" : Who has come up with this > requirement - the MMRDA or the MCGM? What is the volume of vehicular traffic > in the area? Does this volume justify this demand? > > 2. "this street area is part of the public street area requirement." Could > you clarify this, please? > > 3. "Can vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a > private development?" No, especially if the public street provides access to > other land uses other than your development > > 4. " putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on > this pedestrian / limited access street" No, for the same reason stated > above. But if you have the concurrence of all the other users of the area to > do so, I see no problem. > > Incidentally, are you proposing to provide parking inside this "pedestrian > street?" What is the car ownership like inside this development? > > Best > > *Bina C. Balakrishnan* > *Consultant - > Sustainable Transportation Policy, Planning& Management > India > * > *Cell: +91 99536 94218 (Gurgaon)* > * +91 98339 00108 (Mumbai) > * > * > e-mail: binacb@gmail.com > binac@rediffmail.com > web : www.binabalakrishnan.com > skype: binacb* > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Jains wrote: > >> Friends, >> >> We are proposing a pedestrian street in Mumbai as a part of private >> sector led urban regeneration project. There is a requirement to >> provide exactly same amount of "Public Streets" as they are existing >> at present and this proposed pedestrian street falls into that area. >> Concern has been expressed over terming this as a "pedestrian street" >> as this street area is part of the public street area requirement. Can >> vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a private >> development? We do not mind terming this street as limited access >> street. Does anybody know of the laws or statutory requirements >> governing this? Any international examples in this context would also >> be useful. >> >> Also, as part of putting a self-enforcing mechanism, we were looking >> at putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on this >> pedestrian / limited access street. Is that permissible? >> >> Regards >> Alok >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > > From yanivbin at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 18:14:46 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:44:46 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Go, take a walk... Message-ID: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/181971/go-take-walk.html *Go, take a walk...* ... is what the Palike seems to be telling pedestrians in the City. But, with footpaths vanishing, where will they? G Manjusainath *Safety of pedestrians in Bangalore has taken a backseat with the vehicular population in the City swelling to more than 36.53 lakh.* The startling numbers make Bangalore the City with the highest vehicular density in the country. Gone are the days when people would enjoy taking a stroll on the wide footpaths dotted with lush green trees in the Pensioners? Paradise. Bangalore becoming the ?fastest growing city? has taken a toll on pedestrian space. The development activities in the City have resulted in shrinking footpaths and loss of greenery. Adding to the pedestrians? woes are the street vendors who take up whatever is left of the footpaths. All this has put the pedestrians at high risk. In the last one year, at least 850 people lost their lives in road accidents, while 5,350 people suffered injuries. Till July this year, about 500 people died in road accidents, said sources in the traffic department. BBMP?engineer-in-chief, B T Ramesh, estimates that presently the City has 1,940 km of arterial and sub-arterial roads. His officials say the footpaths are a mere 1,700 km. Ideally there should be footpaths on both sides of the road. But not all roads in the City have footpaths, a testimony to the lack of concern for pedestrians on the part of the Palike. Also there is no benchmark regarding the width of the footpaths, which allowed the civic agency to eat up pedestrian space. There is also no standard design or structure to construct footpaths. At some places, the Palike uses stone slabs, while at other places cement slabs are laid on the footpaths. There are also moulded footpaths in some places. At places like Trinity Circle, the footpaths have glossy marble tiles and there are chances of the pedestrians slipping and falling down. At most places, the stone slabs are laid in an uneven manner. The footpaths at Yarab Nagar near Banashankari Temple and JP Nagar are notable examples for this anomaly. Besides the road-widening projects which take a toll on the pedestrian space, street vendors also eat up a substantial part of the footpaths. However, Vinay Srinivasa of the Beedi Vyaparigala Hakkottaya Andolana says street vendors are only a small hindrance to pedestrians and that they (street vendors) are at the receiving end of the road-widening projects. He says: ?The reality is street vendors ensure the safety of the people, especially women.? According to him, the major challenge for the pedestrians is the struggle while crossing the roads. Reducing shade due to the rampant felling of trees, absence of benches to sit for the pedestrians, lack of safety for women and flooding during rain are the major challenges to the pedestrians, he adds. Due to the risk pedestrians face while crossing the roads, the Palike has planned to construct 50-odd skywalks in the City. But the proposal has run into rough weather with some contractors taking legal recourse for bagging the contracts. In the present scenario, only seven new skywalks are coming up in the City. Another major challenge posing pedestrians is the absence of public toilets in the City and civic sense among the citizens. People prefer relieving themselves in the open on the footpath, either because there are no loos or the public toilets are ill-maintained. *Walkability surveys * A four-member team of the Clean Air Initiative For Asian Cities Centre conducted the ?Walkability Surveys in Asian Countries?. Bangalore finds a mention in the surveys, but for all the wrong reasons. The report prepared by Sophie Punte, Sudhir Gota, Bert Fabian and Alvin Mejia, puts Bangalore among the top cities where walking trips have depreciated fast. The report says, in 1984, Bangalore had 44 per cent of walking trips, which has now reduced to a mere 8.3 per cent. Among Indian cities, Bangalore ranks second, below Kolkata, in terms of high pedestrian fatalities. The City has been put in the ?walk at your own risk? category. Bangalore finds no place among cities where people show interest in walking. * Public transport system a ray of hope * In the given gloomy scenario, a strong public transport system or eco-friendly means of conveyance like bicycles are seen as the remedy. This alone can bail out Bangalore to make it a pedestrian-friendly city. Expectations are high from BMTC on introducing more high-tech buses and the Namma Metro. From sunny.enie at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 13:34:59 2011 From: sunny.enie at gmail.com (Sunny Kodukula) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:04:59 +0530 Subject: [sustran] City has no space for the pedestrian Message-ID: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting priority in urban planning. Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai (nearly doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies unfairly in favour of easing traffic?with little consideration for pedestrians . This bucks the global trend where cities, particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles and embracing walkers. Mumbai road kill Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance to work Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and three-wheelers are next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of fatalities There are 220 pedestrians per car in India compared to 2-3 per car in North America and Europe. It's 280 in China Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, whereas minimum width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, Neeri & BMC) Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths From edelman at greenidea.eu Tue Aug 9 14:00:10 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:00:10 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: City has no space for the pedestrian In-Reply-To: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> References: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> This is horrible. But please... there is no "Europe" in regards to sustainable mobility or urban policies. My point is not to make India seem better in comparison, but to prevent European countries which do things (much) worse than others from being examples of "best practice". Of course, generally-speaking, the further west and north you go the better things get, but there is hardly a consistent pattern. But - going beyond the pedestrian issue - I also like... love to point out that the main train station in Washington D.C. has better bicycle parking than its counterpart in Berlin. -T On 08/09/2011 06:34 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: > MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting priority in urban planning. > > Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai (nearly doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies unfairly in favour of easing traffic?with little consideration for pedestrians . This bucks the global trend where cities, particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles and embracing walkers. > > Mumbai road kill > > Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance to work Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and three-wheelers are next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of fatalities There are 220 pedestrians per car in India compared to 2-3 per car in North America and Europe. It's 280 in China Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, whereas minimum width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, Neeri& BMC) > > > Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From sutp at sutp.org Tue Aug 9 14:03:36 2011 From: sutp at sutp.org (SUTP Team) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:33:36 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: City has no space for the pedestrian In-Reply-To: <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> References: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <904276C3-03AF-4A9B-A784-A930DE08E34E@sutp.org> Todd, is the bicycle parking in DC not due to the bike sharing program they have or am i thinking of the wrong station. sunny On 09-Aug-2011, at 10:30 AM, Todd Edelman wrote: > This is horrible. > > But please... there is no "Europe" in regards to sustainable mobility or > urban policies. My point is not to make India seem better in comparison, > but to prevent European countries which do things (much) worse than > others from being examples of "best practice". > > Of course, generally-speaking, the further west and north you go the > better things get, but there is hardly a consistent pattern. > > But - going beyond the pedestrian issue - I also like... love to point > out that the main train station in Washington D.C. has better bicycle > parking than its counterpart in Berlin. > > -T > > > > On 08/09/2011 06:34 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: >> MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting priority in urban planning. >> >> Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai (nearly doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies unfairly in favour of easing traffic?with little consideration for pedestrians . This bucks the global trend where cities, particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles and embracing walkers. >> >> Mumbai road kill >> >> Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance to work Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and three-wheelers are next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of fatalities There are 220 pedestrians per car in India compared to 2-3 per car in North America and Europe. It's 280 in China Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, whereas minimum width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, Neeri& BMC) >> >> >> Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >> > > > -- > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory > > Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > > Skype: toddedelman > http://twitter.com/toddedelman > http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman > > Urbanstr. 45 > 10967 Berlin > Germany > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From sguttikunda at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:09:18 2011 From: sguttikunda at gmail.com (Sarath Guttikunda) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:39:18 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: City has no space for the pedestrian In-Reply-To: <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> References: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: Pertinent to the discussion on this thread.. Physicist Geoffrey West has found that simple, mathematical laws govern the properties of cities -- that wealth, crime rate, walking speed and many other aspects of a city can be deduced from a single number: the city's population. His presentation at TED Global 2011 (last month). http://www.ted.com/talks/geoffrey_west_the_surprising_math_of_cities_and_corporations.html With regards, Sarath -- Dr. Sarath Guttikunda (TED Fellow) Founder and Analyst, UrbanEmissions.Info (New Delhi, India) +91-9891315946 Affiliate Assistant Research Professor, Desert Research Institute (Reno, USA) On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Todd Edelman wrote: > This is horrible. > > But please... there is no "Europe" in regards to sustainable mobility or > urban policies. My point is not to make India seem better in comparison, > but to prevent European countries which do things (much) worse than > others from being examples of "best practice". > > Of course, generally-speaking, the further west and north you go the > better things get, but there is hardly a consistent pattern. > > But - going beyond the pedestrian issue - I also like... love to point > out that the main train station in Washington D.C. has better bicycle > parking than its counterpart in Berlin. > > -T > > > > On 08/09/2011 06:34 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: > > MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with > flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting priority in > urban planning. > > > > Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai (nearly > doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies unfairly in favour > of easing traffic?with little consideration for pedestrians . This bucks the > global trend where cities, particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles > and embracing walkers. > > > > Mumbai road kill > > > > Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance to work > Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and three-wheelers are > next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of fatalities There are 220 > pedestrians per car in India compared to 2-3 per car in North America and > Europe. It's 280 in China Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, > whereas minimum width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, > Neeri& BMC) > > > > > > Source: > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths > From yanivbin at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 16:14:10 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:44:10 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Grade separator on JM Road will encourage speed: Pedestrians First Message-ID: Grade separator on JM Road will encourage speed: Pedestrians FirstTNN | Aug 9, 2011, 02.12AM IST PUNE: Questioning the need for the proposed grade separator for vehicles at the SG Barve chowk on JM Road , city-based group Pedestrians First has raised concerns about road safety due to the construction of the grade separator. The grade separator at Barve chowk is the second such project on J M Road, which has one-way traffic. The construction of the first grade separator at Sancheti chowk is in progress. Convenor of Pedestrians First, Prashant Inamdar, said the consecutive grade separators at the two chowks will spell serious trouble for pedestrians. In a letter sent to municipal commissioner Mahesh Pathak, Inamdar stated that vehicular speeds have already increased because of the one way traffic plan implemented on the J M Road for the last two years. "There was some curtailment and interruption of vehicle flow because of the signals at Sancheti and Barve chowks. With grade separators provided at Sancheti and Barve chowks and with the removal of signals, there will be free and continuous flow of vehicles along the corridor. Consequently, vehicular speeds will also increase tremendously," he said in the letter. Inamdar said the increase in vehicle speed will leave no opportunity for pedestrians to cross the road safely at both the chowks and also at intermediate locations on the down-stream side, at places like engineering college hostel, Jangli Maharaj temple. Any attempt to cross the road would be life-threatening. The worst sufferers will be the senior citizens, women and children, he said. Stating that the increase in vehicle speeds could lead to road accidents, the Pedestrians First pointed out that the entire J M Road is in city area and speeds exceeding 30 kmph are not recommended at all. The letter stated that there would be unsafe road conditions due to mixing and crossing of traffic flows. Pedestrian safety on Shivaji Road too would get aggravated. The letter stated that the need for grade separator has not been proved. "It is necessary that the PMC publicise details of scientific traffic studies, including evaluation of all options, techno-economic feasibility survey after the implementation of the rotary traffic plan at Sancheti chowk-Barve chowk-Observatory chowk, and also the one-way traffic plan on J M Road, to prove that grade separator is required at Barve chowk," the letter stated, demanding that the decision to construct the grade separator should be reviewed. Vinay Deshpande, PMC's officer on special duty, JNNURM works, was not available for comment despite repeated attempts to contact him. From yanivbin at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:56:58 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:26:58 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Pedestrians Pushed to the wall Message-ID: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/181968/pushed-wall.html Pushed to the wallShivakant Menon *A city should be planned keeping citizens? welfare in mind and not vehicles.* But Bangalore?s development and urban planning authorities have forgotten one very important and primary mode of transportation - walking. According to a research paper by India Environment Portal (IEP) in 2008, Bangalore is among the worst cities in India for pedestrians, besides having the worst record for traffic violations. Deccan Herald spoke to a few citizens including people with disabilities, the visually impaired and the elderly, who face problems while walking on the roads. M L Devikala, affected by polio in 2000 and who has been on crutches since then, says that people like her can neither access the footpaths nor use skywalks. Devikala works with the Association for People with Disabilities as a rehabilitation worker. ?The skywalks are very difficult to access while footpaths are uneven if at all they exist,? she says. Many disabled citizens on wheelchairs cannot even think of going out on their own, says Devikala. Slopes for the wheelchairs to access the footpaths are missing, she adds. ?Do they expect us to jump with the wheelchair or perhaps never ever leave our homes, because we are handicapped?? questions Ajay Rathod, another handicapped citizen from Ashok Nagar. Hasiru Usiru, a citizen?s group working to improve the quality of life in the City, has come out with an initiative starting July 11, called ?Come, Cross the Road?. The once-in-a-week event, which started with seven volunteers, has gained publicity with more than 20 people from all age groups and people with disabilities joining the force. They focus on issues relating to pedestrians and the time and risk taken to cross a stretch of road in various spots across the City. Sridhar Raman from Hasiru Usiru says: ?In places like Jayanagar, we found elderly people are scared to cross the roads, unless vehicles come to a complete stop. Even after crossing half way, it becomes very risky to climb and get down on the other side of the tall medians.? He said many people above 60 find it safer to remain at home or be inside a vehicle. Skywalks are not used by most pedestrians and on an average every skywalk has around 50 steps on either side, making it extremely difficult for the elderly and disabled. Annamma Thomas. who is in her 70s and resides in Domlur, says: ?Crossing the road under the Domlur bridge is very difficult. I am old and slow on my feet. There is absolutely no footpath or zebra crossing for pedestrians who want to cross over to the side of Indira Nagar.? Srirag Gudi, 32, walks from Richmond Layout to Shivajinagar in the morning to catch the bus to work. ?Shops, salesmen, cows, dogs, broken slabs and manholes are found on the footpaths in Bangalore. These problems pertain to the City?s prime locations along M G Road (entire length), Brigade Road, the roads towards Shivajinagar, St Marks Road and Residency Road. It is easy to deduce the trouble faced by people living in other areas of the City,? added Srirag. Students from Christ College residing near Tavarekere face many hurdles while commuting on foot. Snigdha Rajgarhia is one such student. As a vegetarian she faces the problem of having to walk through meat shops on the roads leading to her college from home. ?The sight and smell is not a pleasant experience for people like me. Blood spilled onto the footpaths is just nauseating. I have to pass through these roads everyday,? says Snigdha. Some footpaths have broken slabs, which she says is ?a Bangalore thing?. Contradicting the common perception of Indians that the Western pedestrian life is better, Karthik Rao,a post-graduate in urban planning from US, says: ?The US has everyone following the rules in the downtown areas and there are better footpaths. But in the suburbs, there are no footpaths as highways sprawl the cities.? Karthik, who will get back to the US for a PhD in urban planning, says: ?There is no need for expertise to provide footpaths with no hindrances. It is more common sense that the planners need.? He finds the issue of parked vehicles and footpaths built over sewage pipelines disturbing. ?If roads for vehicles can be built on proper grounds, then why should pedestrians be made to walk over sewage,? he asks. *Santhi Menon, senior citizen* I live near the Marathahalli bridge. To walk to the temple a few metres away is impossible as the footpaths are broken and too high for me. BBMP does not want us to go outside. *Snigdha Rajgarhia, student of Christ College* Blood spilled onto the footpaths from mutton shops is just nauseating. I have to pass through such roads to the college everyday. From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 19:41:06 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 05:41:06 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: City has no space for the pedestrian In-Reply-To: <904276C3-03AF-4A9B-A784-A930DE08E34E@sutp.org> References: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> <904276C3-03AF-4A9B-A784-A930DE08E34E@sutp.org> Message-ID: <4E410EC2.8060709@gmail.com> They used to have a bike rental place (it wasn't parking) at Union Station, but I think that is no longer there (and it wasn't public). People from Washington who are in the list can confirm. On 09/08/2011 12:03 a.m., SUTP Team wrote: > Todd, is the bicycle parking in DC not due to the bike sharing program they have or am i thinking of the wrong station. > > sunny > > On 09-Aug-2011, at 10:30 AM, Todd Edelman wrote: > >> This is horrible. >> >> But please... there is no "Europe" in regards to sustainable mobility or >> urban policies. My point is not to make India seem better in comparison, >> but to prevent European countries which do things (much) worse than >> others from being examples of "best practice". >> >> Of course, generally-speaking, the further west and north you go the >> better things get, but there is hardly a consistent pattern. >> >> But - going beyond the pedestrian issue - I also like... love to point >> out that the main train station in Washington D.C. has better bicycle >> parking than its counterpart in Berlin. >> >> -T >> >> >> >> On 08/09/2011 06:34 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: >>> MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting priority in urban planning. >>> >>> Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai (nearly doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies unfairly in favour of easing traffic?with little consideration for pedestrians . This bucks the global trend where cities, particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles and embracing walkers. >>> >>> Mumbai road kill >>> >>> Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance to work Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and three-wheelers are next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of fatalities There are 220 pedestrians per car in India compared to 2-3 per car in North America and Europe. It's 280 in China Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, whereas minimum width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, Neeri& BMC) >>> >>> >>> Source: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> -- >> Todd Edelman >> Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory >> >> Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 >> >> edelman@greenidea.eu >> www.greenidea.eu >> >> Skype: toddedelman >> http://twitter.com/toddedelman >> http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman >> >> Urbanstr. 45 >> 10967 Berlin >> Germany >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 9 19:46:04 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:46:04 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Bangalore is among the worst cities in India for pedestrians In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fc01cc5681$8ba33280$a2e99780$@britton@ecoplan.org> A Hall of Shame for Bangalore?? Is there a good case for calling it The Worst City in India for Pedestrians -- and then set out to "prove" it one by one, step by awful step. The angle: "citizens including people with disabilities, the visually impaired and the elderly, who face problems while walking on the roads" seems absolutely central. If so, this would make a fine article for World Streets. It also may be important for next year's Transed 2012 conference in New Delhi. And the Acc?s Universal conference at UNESCO in January. Does this make any sense to anyone here? Eric britton From edelman at greenidea.eu Tue Aug 9 19:52:05 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:52:05 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: City has no space for the pedestrian In-Reply-To: <4E410EC2.8060709@gmail.com> References: <50B7CB6E-3C34-42F3-A41E-8BF4256DCF66@gmail.com> <4E40BEDA.5060300@greenidea.eu> <904276C3-03AF-4A9B-A784-A930DE08E34E@sutp.org> <4E410EC2.8060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E411155.4010205@greenidea.eu> Hi, Washington D.C. Union Station has a Bikestation with indoor parking and other services. Berlin Hauptbahnhof has an inadequate supply of outdoor racks - T On 08/09/2011 12:41 PM, Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > They used to have a bike rental place (it wasn't parking) at Union > Station, but I think that is no longer there (and it wasn't public). > People from Washington who are in the list can confirm. > > On 09/08/2011 12:03 a.m., SUTP Team wrote: >> Todd, is the bicycle parking in DC not due to the bike sharing >> program they have or am i thinking of the wrong station. >> >> sunny >> >> On 09-Aug-2011, at 10:30 AM, Todd Edelman wrote: >> >>> This is horrible. >>> >>> But please... there is no "Europe" in regards to sustainable >>> mobility or >>> urban policies. My point is not to make India seem better in >>> comparison, >>> but to prevent European countries which do things (much) worse than >>> others from being examples of "best practice". >>> >>> Of course, generally-speaking, the further west and north you go the >>> better things get, but there is hardly a consistent pattern. >>> >>> But - going beyond the pedestrian issue - I also like... love to point >>> out that the main train station in Washington D.C. has better bicycle >>> parking than its counterpart in Berlin. >>> >>> -T >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/09/2011 06:34 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: >>>> MUMBAI: Mumbai is slowly emerging as a pedestrian's nightmare with >>>> flyovers, road widening and infrastructure projects getting >>>> priority in urban planning. >>>> >>>> Transport experts say the exponential growth of cars in Mumbai >>>> (nearly doubling over the last two decades) has skewed policies >>>> unfairly in favour of easing traffic?with little consideration for >>>> pedestrians . This bucks the global trend where cities, >>>> particularly in Europe, are cutting out vehicles and embracing >>>> walkers. >>>> >>>> Mumbai road kill >>>> >>>> Pavements are shrinking though 44% of citizens walk some distance >>>> to work Nearly 78% of road fatalities are pedestrians. Bikers and >>>> three-wheelers are next at risk, accounting for 7% and 4% of >>>> fatalities There are 220 pedestrians per car in India compared to >>>> 2-3 per car in North America and Europe. It's 280 in China >>>> Pavements in Worli measured only 0 to 3 metres, whereas minimum >>>> width required is 2.5 to 4 metres (Source: World Bank, Neeri& BMC) >>>> >>>> >>>> Source: >>>> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-08/mumbai/29863629_1_road-fatalities-pedestrians-road-deaths >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>>> countries (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Todd Edelman >>> Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory >>> >>> Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 >>> >>> edelman@greenidea.eu >>> www.greenidea.eu >>> >>> Skype: toddedelman >>> http://twitter.com/toddedelman >>> http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman >>> >>> Urbanstr. 45 >>> 10967 Berlin >>> Germany >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries (the 'Global South'). >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries (the 'Global South'). >> > -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From madhav.g.badami at mcgill.ca Tue Aug 9 20:13:43 2011 From: madhav.g.badami at mcgill.ca (Madhav Badami, Prof.) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:13:43 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Bangalore is among the worst cities in India for pedestrians In-Reply-To: <00fc01cc5681$8ba33280$a2e99780$@britton@ecoplan.org> References: , <00fc01cc5681$8ba33280$a2e99780$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: Eric, Vinay et al, In late 2009, I wrote the attached article on this very topic, for the Economic and Political Weekly in India, rather than an academic journal in the West -- not that it did much good. Here is an excerpt: "The sorry plight of pedestrians was brought home most poignantly to me late one evening in Delhi, as I was speeding along in a taxi on Lodhi Road, when the taxi headlights caught a group of pall-bearers dashing across the road towards the crematorium, with a corpse precariously balanced on its bier. A recent example of how urban transport policy and planning is focused exclusively on motor vehicles, without any concern for people, is the largely ?signal free? highway linking Yelahanka and the new BIAL airport in Bangalore, on which automobiles travel at speeds considerably above the posted limit, with the result that the highway has become a ?death trap? for hapless pedestrians and area residents, with 17 road traffic fatalities and 36 injuries in the first five weeks after the highway was opened (Kurup and Gandhi 2008). There are countless other such examples, perhaps the most egregious of which is the AIIMS interchange in the nation?s capital, which is designed as if people on foot did not exist, right in front of the nation?s premier medical institution, to which countless patients flock, many of whom have no access to motor vehicles." The question is, how do we effectively band together and advocate to make planning for pedestrians and cyclists an integral part of urban transport policy, if not its very foundation, as I tried to argue that it ought to be? Madhav ************************************************************************ "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery Madhav G. Badami, PhD School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill University Macdonald-Harrington Building 815 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work) Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning www.mcgill.ca/mse e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca ________________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org [sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of eric britton [eric.britton@ecoplan.org] Sent: 09 August 2011 06:46 To: 'Vinay Baindur'; 'Hu Gov'; 'Hasire Usiru'; 'CAF2' Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Bangalore is among the worst cities in India for pedestrians A Hall of Shame for Bangalore?? Is there a good case for calling it The Worst City in India for Pedestrians -- and then set out to "prove" it one by one, step by awful step. The angle: "citizens including people with disabilities, the visually impaired and the elderly, who face problems while walking on the roads" seems absolutely central. If so, this would make a fine article for World Streets. It also may be important for next year's Transed 2012 conference in New Delhi. And the Acc?s Universal conference at UNESCO in January. Does this make any sense to anyone here? Eric britton -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We're getting a most expressive response to this idea of, let's call it, a House of Shame exercise. And even if we assume that Bangalore is what it is, it just may be that there may be even worse cities in the subcontinent for pedestrians and those with mobility limitations, the very fact that we would go for it with a kind of vengeful glee ? and that others might show up, saying something like, well you think B is bad, what about . . . ? The key to our undeniable success will lie in the choice of parameters by which to define their degree of ineptitude and disgrace. I can think of a bunch and I am sure that the ped and E&H specialists among us will have lists that will drive mine right into the ground. But one way or another it?s the numbers that tell the story. By the way, speaking of numbers, how much is a dead Indian worth? Or more to the point, an Indian pedestrian who is struck by a motor vehicle, the driver gets taken to court and then what happens? How much? Madhav. That's a very fine paper. It would be great if we could do an introductory perhaps quickly essay on it for India Streets, and then link to your full 2009 piece. Now what? Eric Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility ?? Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 29332 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110809/016fc9ee/attachment.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 24029 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110809/016fc9ee/attachment.jpe From yanivbin at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:32:53 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:02:53 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Shimla civic body mulls green tax on vehicles entering town Message-ID: http://himachal.us/2011/08/10/shimla-civic-body-mulls-green-tax-on-vehicles-entering-town/29836/news/baldev *Shimla civic body mulls green tax ** **on vehicles entering town* Posted by Baldev S. Chauhan , August 10th, 2011 Shimla : In an effort to reduce vehicle congestion in the popular resort town of Shimla, the municipal corporation here is proposing imposing a green tax on all vehicles entering the hill station. This tax is proposed on the basis of a green tax already being imposed in Manali, another crowded resort town of Himachal Pradesh. Only vehicles from outside the state will be taxed while local ones will be exempt, a spokesman of the Shimla MC said Wednesday. Under the Himachal Pradesh Municipal Corporation amendment act 2011, the corporation has been authorised under Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission (JNNURM) act.Shimla has already been selected under the mission.The matter will come up in the next session of the civic body, the spokesman said. The income generated from the green tax will be spent on the improvement of the environment and civic amenities in Shimla. This summer saw the largest number of vehicles entering the town often causing long traffic snarls.Due to the steep mountain terrain the resort town has very limited parking space.The cost of parking is very high. If one does find a parking lot, one has to walk long distances as many roads in the heart of Shimla are out of bounds for vehicles as well.The vehicle green tax rate list will be finalised in the next civic body session,an official said. Currently a two wheeler entering Manali has to pay Rs 100 a car Rs 200, a sumo sized vehicle Rs 300, while a bus or truck has to cough up Rs 500 per vehicle. From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 11 20:19:31 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:31 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Links and update! In-Reply-To: <000001cc5811$f0bbf580$d233e080$@vivacities.org> References: <001d01cc4738$5297ea10$f7c7be30$@vivacities.org> <4e27a876.44320e0a.3f86.ffffe795SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000001cc5811$f0bbf580$d233e080$@vivacities.org> Message-ID: <022e01cc5818$8e0da4e0$aa28eea0$@britton@ecoplan.org> _____________________________________________________ World Streets Team Kampala: What a great initiative, and is always Lloyd's suggestions are excellent. My own approach is complementary and not competitive to that he outines. Specifically, I believe it each year that the organizers should have in mind one specific project proposal/target for the city, to make transportation in and around the city safer, more affordable and more efficient. That to my mind is what a Car Free Day is all about, namely charting a way to the future with a strong unified public voice. The festivities are an important part of this communications effort, but they need to be complemented by a more strategic and focused approach. Since it has been a couple of decades since I was last in Kampala it would not be the appropriate in certain not useful for me to make any specific proposals as far as this year's target strategies concerned. But in a more general sense, let me share with you my strongly held position that safe walking in the city is the single most important target for any sustainable transportation strategy. Everybody walks, rich people walk less than poor people, rich people have more non-walk options than poor people. So safe and agreeable walking is going to be a priority for all, and especially important for all those who do not own their own car. (Who can argue with that?) If you were to consider this approach for this year's event, let us call it for now "A Walkable Kampala", one of the things I suggest you have in mind is what happens the day after the Car Free Day festivities, what is the process that you then propose to engage to create this walkable city. And of course would be wonderful if on the occasion of your second, Kampala Car Free Day in 2012, you the organizers would be able to report the progress made over the last year as part of your festivities, and map out a strategy and tactics for the year ahead. You may or may not go for the concept of walking is a priority for the year ahead, but what is important is that you have a strategy and a very specific proposal and plan for achieving it. If I can help you in this in any way, you know where to find me. Let us get a great slogan. All the best/Eric PS. Over the next several weeks I am involved in Car Free Day events in several cities in Taiwan and with the Car Free Network in Guadalajara. I wonder if it makes any sense for me to see it in both those cases we can get some kinds of congratulatory messages to Kampala on the occasion of your First Car Free Day. Let me know if and how you might want to go ahead with this. Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships / Sustainability Seminar Series 8, rue Jospeh Bara 75006 Paris France Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement -----Original Message----- From: Lloyd Wright [mailto:lwright@vivacities.org] Sent: Thursday, 11 August, 2011 12:32 To: 'tafmod-u tafmod'; 'eric britton' Cc: 'Amanda Ngabirano'; 'Nanduddu Susan'; 'Carlos Pardo'; 'Nite Tanzarn'; 'ezra goldman' Subject: RE: Links and update! Dear all, Congratulations to all of you for making this happen. Choosing the right road segment/corridor will be key to making it a success. Kampala is a bit difficult in that it will be a challenge for a lot of people just to get to the area, especially if people are walking or bicycling to the car-free area. I suggest also that you think about the types of add-on activities to include as a way to entice people to participate. Some examples would be: ? Stage area with live music ? Play area for children ? Games area ? Demonstration bicycles for people to try out (perhaps FABIO could help out ? in providing bikes) ? Prizes for best costumes As you can tell from the suggestions above, a great car-free day is really almost a street party. Finally, your communications strategy will be quite important. Hopefully, you can gain the help of a few radio and television stations to spread the word. I will separately send you the guidance document "Car Free Development". Chapter 5 has a few ideas on activities to make the day a success. Best regards and good luck, Lloyd -----Original Message----- From: tafmod-u tafmod [mailto:tafmod.tafmod@gmail.com] Sent: 11 August 2011 18:00 To: eric britton Cc: Amanda Ngabirano; Nanduddu Susan; Carlos Pardo; Lloyd Wright; Nite Tanzarn; ezra goldman Subject: Re: Links and update! Hello All, Greetings from the African Forum for Mobility and Development (TAFMOD) We are in preparations for the car free day in Uganda and have proposed 25th September Sunday being that it usually has less traffic and it would be easy for us to handle this being the first activity of this kind in Kampala. We well come for any ideas and suggestions on preparing this to make it successful. Kind regards, Christine On 7/21/11, eric britton wrote: > > Dear Amanda, > > Great idea (and thanks Lloyd for sharing this with us). > > I will be glad to give you a call and talk Car Free Day strategies with you. > Just give me a good time and number. And if you are on Skype, better > yet. (I am newmobility on Skype.) > > In the meantime, you can find on World Streets a small handful of what > I believe to be useful articles on Car Free Day history, planning and > execution at > http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/category/activitiesevents/car-free-day/. > (One of the articles is by Carlos Pardo on Bogot?'s D?a sin coches XI. > > I am copying this note to my friend and colleague Nite Tarzan in > Kampala who I am sure will have some good ideas for you n this. > > With very best wishes for what you are now about to do for the streets > and people of Uganda. > From alok.priyanka at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 20:20:14 2011 From: alok.priyanka at gmail.com (Jains) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:50:14 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Pedestrian Street in Mumbai, India In-Reply-To: <4E3C5606.6070100@gmail.com> References: <4E3C5606.6070100@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Carlos. I already had this document and have made many references to convince the group leading the re-development. I am finding a bigger challenge with convincing the Government authorities. Regards Alok On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:13 AM, Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > Though you may have already read it, the Carfree Development module by Lloyd > Wright provides good information on this topic. It is available in > www.sutp.org (free registration is needed). n > Best regards, > > Carlos > > On 04/08/2011 09:20 p.m., Bina C.Balakrishnan wrote: >> >> Alok, >> >> That is a very interesting development. I tried very hard while in Mumbai >> to >> make a few streets pedestrian only at least during certain hours of the >> day >> - and failed because of the car lobby. Which part of Mumbai is your >> project >> located? ?A few questions and comments: >> >> 1. "There is a requirement to provide exactly same amount of "Public >> Streets" as they are existing at present" : Who has come up with this >> requirement - the MMRDA or the MCGM? What is the volume of vehicular >> traffic >> in the area? Does this volume justify this demand? >> >> 2. "this street area is part of the public street area requirement." Could >> you clarify this, please? >> >> 3. "Can vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a >> private development?" No, especially if the public street provides access >> to >> other land uses other than your development >> >> 4. " putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on >> this pedestrian / limited access street" No, for the same reason stated >> above. But if you have the concurrence of all the other users of the area >> to >> do so, I see no problem. >> >> Incidentally, are you proposing to provide parking inside this "pedestrian >> street?" What is the car ownership like inside this development? >> >> Best >> >> *Bina C. Balakrishnan* >> *Consultant - >> Sustainable Transportation Policy, Planning& ?Management >> India >> * >> *Cell: ? ?+91 99536 94218 (Gurgaon)* >> * ? ? ? ? ? +91 98339 00108 ?(Mumbai) >> * >> * >> e-mail: binacb@gmail.com >> ? ? ? ? ? ?binac@rediffmail.com >> web : www.binabalakrishnan.com >> skype: binacb* >> >> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Jains ?wrote: >> >>> Friends, >>> >>> We are proposing a pedestrian street in Mumbai as a part of private >>> sector led urban regeneration project. There is a requirement to >>> provide exactly same amount of "Public Streets" as they are existing >>> at present and this proposed pedestrian street falls into that area. >>> Concern has been expressed over terming this as a "pedestrian street" >>> as this street area is part of the public street area requirement. Can >>> vehicular access on Public Street be restricted by a private >>> development? We do not mind terming this street as limited access >>> street. Does anybody know of the laws or statutory requirements >>> governing this? Any international examples in this context would also >>> be useful. >>> >>> Also, as part of putting a self-enforcing mechanism, we were looking >>> at putting bollards (pneumatic or fixed) at all entry points on this >>> pedestrian / limited access street. Is that permissible? >>> >>> Regards >>> Alok >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> > From edelman at greenidea.eu Sun Aug 14 23:13:00 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:13:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Volvo (auto) cuts safety features on India market Message-ID: <4E47D7EC.9070703@greenidea.eu> Foreword: Even if - like me - you are sceptical about "lane departure warning and pedestrian detection technology" actually being able to help a lot, what is clear is that many people are not interested in everything Volvo offers, BUT want to have their cake and eat it, too, since from the outside the vehicle will look just as posh as the cars which are equipped with these things. They could even pretend... or get confused: I can imagine a subversive anti-urban automobile advert where either a driver thinks that they are in their family's vehicle which has these extras, but is mistaken and hits someone..... and of course - from the opposite side of the windscreen - the mother of a child who runs into the street, with her thinking "oh, it's okay, that Volvo has that new... "---- SPLAT! From Todd, former Volvo driver against urban Volvos ********** Volvo (auto) cuts safety features on India market Published: 12 Aug 11 11:24 CET Online: http://www.thelocal.se/35504/20110812/ In a bid to increase its automobile market share in India, Volvo has announced that it will make more low specification versions of its range available, with fewer safety features and smaller engines. "The strategy is a response to the growing demand in India for high end cars but at lower prices," Spokesman Stefan Elfstr?m told The Local. ?Like many other luxury car makers we are reacting to consumer preferences in India, where they are very price sensitive. We have decided to offer smaller engines, the T5 for example, instead of a six cylinder engine, and made other modifications so we can be more competitive,? he added. The car maker is planning to launch cheaper versions of its high end cars, including the popular XC60 och S60, but without certain safety equipment that is, according to Volvo requested less often by buyers in the Indian market. Features such as lane departure warning and pedestrian detection technology, which automatically slows the car down when it detects pedestrians nearby, are to be jettisoned to make the cars more price-competitive, which will help increase sales. "With the introduction of lower specification cars, we are looking to increase our market share threefold,? said Elfstr?m. In India, Volvo sold 150 cars last year. ?We hope to be reaching four figures this year,? said Elfstr?m. The company will not forgo the fully equipped versions of the cars altogether though. "We will still offer a version with everything included, but this is the same strategy as our competitors in India like Audi and BMW,? he concludes. Geoff Mortimore (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518) -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From yanivbin at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:12:56 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:42:56 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Hiding tracks Metro shuts doors on media to shun scrutiny Message-ID: http://www.deccanherald.com/content/183826/metro-shuts-doors-media-shun.html Hiding tracksMetro shuts doors on media to shun scrutinyChethan Kumar, Bangalore, August 14, DHNS: *In a move that appears to be designed to evade reality checks on the progress made at the six stations on Namma Metro's reach-1 (Byappanahalli-MG Road), the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL) has now put up a notice board outside the stations that reads: ''Press and Photography Not Allowed.''* Nationally important institutions such as DRDO, ISRO, NAL, HAL and IISc together have approximately 20 facilities in the City, most concerned with the activities of national security, but none have put such a notice. For a project built with public money, the BMRCL has not been famous for transparency, nor has it been a stickler for the countless deadlines it has set for self. Media scrutiny, or comment on the delays that the publicly funded project is not tolerated by the BMRCL brass, who have willy nilly turned the institution into a fortress of secrecy. With the September deadline, 15 days going by former chief minister Yeddyurappa?s announcement and 30 days going by his successor?s, Deccan Herald tried to bring its readers a glimpse of the stations when a security guard prevented the entry of its reporter into the MG Road station, pointing to the notice put up prominently outside the station. ?You (the media) are not authorised to enter the premises,? he said bluntly. He, of course, was only following orders. The reporter?s attempt to contact BMRCL Managing Director Sivasailam, who has interacted with him several times earlier in person, brought out a brusque brush-off: ?I do not reply to people whose numbers are not stored on my phone and I don?t know them personally. Please write to us and our public relations office will reply.? Attempts at contacting BMRCL spokesperson proved futile. Sivasailam had, during the launch of the smart card by SBI in the first week of July said in a public function: ?We are through with everything, we have completed all the work.? However, Deccan Herald had found that his statement was inaccurate and that the stations were, indeed, not complete. Even the official newsletter brought out by BMRCL had information contrary to Sivasailam?s statement. When Deccan Herald brought the matter to the notice of Chief Minister D V Sadananda Gowda, he fumed: ?This is the first time I?m hearing it. I will take up the matter first thing tomorrow (Monday) afternoon with the MD?and get back to you.? M N Sreehari, Adviser to the Government of Karnataka on Traffic, Transport and Infrastructure, said: ?This is a mockery of democracy. You should take this up with the chief minister. This is not somebody?s private property. The person who passed the order must be relieved from duty.? From yanivbin at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 23:07:17 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:37:17 +0530 Subject: [sustran] urban transport proposals under NMSH Message-ID: the National Mission for Sustainable Habitat is sponsoring very minor proposals under 1. Public cycling scheme and 2. Passenger Info systems NMSH is the climate change intiative of GoI for urban areas Dont know how or when the ToRs for identifying themes were prepared? But it is likely to be linked with the GoI sponsored GoI- GEF- WB Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) common mobility cards another funding option may take away all the funds rgds vinay -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NMSH-proposals.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 176025 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110815/3a4e7134/NMSH-proposals-0001.pdf From kanthikannan at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 12:21:51 2011 From: kanthikannan at gmail.com (Kanthi Kannan) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 08:51:51 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Footpath gone to the " Dogs" Message-ID: <4e49e267.cab42a0a.1f66.ffffcd13@mx.google.com> Dear all Not sure if this has been sent earlier. A tale that is sad at the same time totally Indian and probably humorous too http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive &Source=Page&Skin=MIRRORNEW&BaseHref=BGMIR/2011/08/15&PageLabel=6&EntityId=A r00600&ViewMode=HTML Thanks to Mahesh for sending me the link Kanthi A footpath in RMV II Stage has gone to the dogs and the credit for that goes to Ashok Haranahalli, former advocate general of Karnataka. Until last week, he was the state's chief advocate and advisor on all things legal. Of course, the footpath outside his house is another matter. Footpath space measuring about 8ft x 20ft, in front of house number 588 on I Main, III Block of the area, is now a "kennel" for two Labrador dogs. A Bangalore Mirror reader sent us pictures of the illegal construction which blocks the footpath, forcing pedestrians to walk on the road. Naturally, local residents are livid. "Thoughtless residents who can be presumed to be educated upper class hardly seem to care. In spite of repeated complaints, they neither care for the laws of civil society nor for the welfare of other residents. What are the civic and health authorities doing? They cannot allow the selfishness of a few to override and jeopardise the greater good of the many. What is shocking is that these huge dogs are generally left loose. I would be very concerned about personal safety in these days of lawlessness and goondaism of the high and mighty," said a local resident, who had complained earlier. But the complaints have gone unheeded. NO ENCROACHMENT When contacted, the learned Haranahalli said, "I have not encroached the footpath. In fact, there is a small drain in the front of the house near which I planted some trees. To safeguard them, I put up steel barricades touching my building wall. It was constructed 10 years ago and no one has had any problem with it. Only one resident complained and I informed her that it would be removed." WHAT'S WRONG? Haranahalli also says he is not the only one to be using the pavement for a purpose other than walking. "Everyone in the locality has developed a garden or some other thing on the pavement. But no one is asking them. This complaint has come just because I have kept my two dogs which safeguard the house. Many times, walkers passing here pause to talk to my dogs. They have not created any nuisance. They only bark sometimes, when they are distracted," Haranahalli added. OFFICIAL TAKE Reacting to the roadside kennels, BBMP's Hebbal sub-division executive engineer Vijay Kumar said, "This has not come to my notice. But if someone has encroached the footpath, then it has to be removed. I will check the matter and see that this encroachment is removed." From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 18 05:13:47 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:13:47 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Links and update! References: <001d01cc4738$5297ea10$f7c7be30$@vivacities.org> Message-ID: <043401cc5d1a$30428360$90c78a20$@britton@ecoplan.org> Subject: In support of the move to a more sustainable Kampala and a mobility system to match. Dear Amanda, As agreed, after our call today, I took a bit of time to set up three web sites in support of (a) the broader issue of how to bring (more) sustainable transport to Kampala, and (b) the specific event of the forthcoming first Car Free Day. All of that excellent and exciting stuff. Here is what we have thus far: 1. Facebook Group page: A Facebook Group page to support all these activities now at http://www.facebook.com/groups/266190133393713/ with its first 14 members. Now if our experience in these things is any guide, what we now would like to do is to see if we can get 30-50 people who share our concerns and goals into the group, so that we can start to share information, tools and more generally collaborate in the context of sustainable transport in Kampala and indeed in cities across Uganda and East Africa. 2. Streets of Kampala: I have also started to lay out what I think can, with your joining in and taking ownership, a very good, even an excellent blog to provide a major focal point for everything that you can now start to do to move toward a more sustainable mobility system for Kampala. You will find the working draft now at http://streetsofkampala.wordpress.com/. Let me by way of quick first introduction tell you what looks like some of the good and as yet less god things about this site: a. It gives us a strong and proven frame for starting to get an extended base of support and exchange in favor of both the overall sustainable transport agenda, and of course for the forthcoming first World Car Free Day, b. It is, I am told, reasonably attractive and pretty efficient. c. It is also pretty easy to work with once you get the swing of things, and I am there to help you until you are ready to take over for yourselves. d. You may note that the main image changes each time someone comes into the site. We are trying to give a feel for the great variety of street conditions in Kampala. And you will see that much is missing. So please feel free to pike in and add to it. Sharp visuals are very important in advancing the sustainability agenda more generally e. If you scroll own a bit on the right column, you will see that there is a gallery for the photos thus far collected under the heading Streets of Kampala. f. And just below you will see the list in process of Key Sources And References. Already quite useful, but like all the rest needs more and better. g. There are a number of easy to use tools, including for citizen reporting and information via mobile phones. But one thing at a time for now. 3. Editorial Team: We are now ready to develop our editorial team, and for this I will need you to sign in, including with a photo and some brief background information. If you are ready to join, let me know and I can send on the easy to use routine. Will take about 6 minutes of your time. There you have it. I can give this a bit more time in the next two days, gut then I am off for Car Free Day celebrations first in Taiwan (2) and then in Guadalajara. This is going to keep me completely tied up until 16 Sept. But then I will be back at my des and ready to do what I can to contribute to your Car Free Day. I look forward with real interest to your comments and suggestions on all this. After all, The Streets of Kampala belong to you. All the best/Eric Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships / Sustainability Seminar Series 8, rue Jospeh Bara 75006 Paris France Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 18 20:55:51 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:55:51 +0200 Subject: [sustran] next steps if you agree In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cc4738$5297ea10$f7c7be30$@vivacities.org> <4e4c20f4.8ccbe30a.1874.ffffc995SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <019a01cc5d9d$d20b8240$762286c0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Good morning Christine (And others of you who are kindly following this), It is very rewarding to hear that you like the first small steps that I have taken over the last day to support your wonderful pioneering Day on 25 September. I would imagine that there have been some Car Free Days in other parts of Africa - they have had something like it on several occasions in South Africa I know, but let us make Kampala's the best, the most intriguing, and the most productive ever. Is it too much to hope that this first car free day in Kampala can serve as a model for other cities across Africa? It seems to me like a worthy secondary goal. There is a great deal of work that I still need to do in order to give you a website that you and the others can work with easily, but I shall be spending some time on this . My thought on this is to see if I can post draft materials and a certain number of questions to get reactions from you and others who are working on this with us, we can then start to work them into something firm and useful. One Example is the Mission Statement. But there are others. I will get more deeply into this in a note tomorrow to the group, but for now here are a couple of points I hope you will find timely: 1. Formal launch of web site on 25 Sept.? I am pleased that you feel this is a good goal.. a. This not only give us five full weeks to make this into a great and useful web site, but also yet one more think that can draw attention to the practical usefulness of the Car Free Day. b. And I am one hundred percent sure that given our contacts we can have quite a number of distinguished supporting messages, including from mayors, NGOs and others who have had successful CFD events in their cites and who are ready to express their best wishes and support for Kampala. c. And all of this will give your day even higher media importance and general support. d. I really like the idea of Kampala taking a lead in this which other cities in Uganda and elsewhere in Africa will be interested to follow, and who knows, to emulate. 2. Cooperating organizations: It will be good to give high profile to the support you are getting from TAFMOD and Goudappel Africa, and I can get started on this if you give me their websites and contact information. a. Also if there any other organizations who are getting behind this year's Car Free Day, let us see if we can also give them some good coverage as supporters of this year's event. 3. Ownership: For the time being what we have here is just an empty box which has been sketched out by a good willed guy sitting in Paris but was not been in Kampala for decades. So we need to set up a process that gives ownership and control to the team working in Kampala. a. Facebook: One good first step in that direction is to get us all signed up for the Facebook group page, and thanks so much for already signing in to http://www.facebook.com/groups/266190133393713/. You are the 15th member of this little group, and I am sure that others will be joining us shortly.. b. Editorial Team: The second is to bring you and the others who are going to be responsible for the events into the editorial panel, and this you can accomplish by following the short routine that I will right now send you under separate cover. 4. Future content and links: a. We want SOK to develop into a first-stop shop for anyone interested in the drive to sustainable transport in Kampala. b. A full set of basic stats and time series data on transport in Kampala (very important and we shall need to give serious attention to this. Based of course on available stats. c. Ditto for environment and public health data - including traffic incidents, deaths, costs, etc. d. More telling graphics e. Links to all the best and most useful sources 5. Envisage Kampala: I would very much like to have your views on this new and I believe important proposed section of the site. IN time we can extend this to include additional tools, including to support more and more effective citizen participation. So let me leave you so that e can get back to work. I truly hope this is going to serve the people of Kampala and Uganda. Very best/Eric PS. Why am I doing this? I really don't have the time but here I am putting aside other pressing things and working with you all on what I truly think is going to be a useful beginning. But why? Well, early this morning I ran into a short article in the New York Times about the work of a 93 year old gentleman who is a scholar of Persian language and history. Let me tell you his name: Ehsan Yarshater. He is now working 12 hours a day no a project to create an encyclopedia of his country's entire cultural history, which thus far has mobilized 1480 contributors who have thus far created more than six thousand scholarly entries. It is, in a phrase, not Wikipedia. He started the project when he was 75 and is only a bit more than half way through. You get the picture, he's 93 right? The reported asked him why he did things like this (this being not his first such monster project), to which he answered: "In starting this latest project it was then that I realized I was suffering from a kind of disease. If something is to be done, I have the feeling I should start doing it". From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 19 00:59:18 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:59:18 +0200 Subject: [sustran] In homage to Lee Schipper Message-ID: <036501cc5dbf$e3b88840$ab2998c0$@britton@ecoplan.org> _____________________________________________________ In homage to Lee Schipper Eric Britton, editor | 17 August 2011 at 09:52 | Categories: event | URL: http://wp.me/psKUY-1Qi Our long-time colleague and very dear friend Lee Shipper left us on Tuesday evening, warmly surrounded by family and loving friends. Since he meant so much to so many of us who have been involved in the uphill struggle for sustainability in all its forms and corners of our lives, I thought it would be appropriate to open up these pages over the next days, and possibly more than that, to a selection of pieces in which the author reflects on the kind of very special person that Lee was. [...] Read more of this post Add a comment to this post Source: http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/in-honor-of-lee-schipper/ Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships / Sustainability Seminar Series 8, rue Jospeh Bara 75006 Paris France Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From yanivbin at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 04:16:59 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 00:46:59 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Improvements needed in planning transport projects under JNNURM Message-ID: Improvements needed in planning transport projects under JNNURM DNA / Tarun Sharma / Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 IST The key goal of transport projects under the National Urban Transport Policy (NUTP) is ?moving people not vehicles?. As transport projects receiving assistance under JNNURM (Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission) are required to confirm to NUTP, they need to be people-centric. This implies investment priorities favouring public transport and non-motorised transport (NMT). To plan transport infrastructure, robust forecasts of the travel demand and responses of travel demand to changes in the transport system characteristics and parameters are needed. Such robust forecasts in turn require reliable, consistent, timely and appropriately disaggregated data which can then be analysed using various transport planning and modelling techniques. In general, data gaps could arise due to lack of collection efforts from the agencies, or from insufficient appreciation of the importance of the available data for planning process and decisions. Even if there is existing data, the inability to maintain or utilise this in the best way in policymaking constitutes a gap. Thus, a lot of existing data which should be used for making policy decisions is either not utilised or is utilised in inappropriate ways. For transport planning, data concerning travel characteristics, preferences, and behaviour (eg. responsiveness to price and income of a particular mode of transport such as personal transport or public transport) are essential. For Indian cities, planning for transport projects under JNNURM is severely constrained by various data gaps. These gaps include spatial distribution of job opportunities, disaggregated by gender, occupation, age etc; home-workplace travel behaviour and preferences; shopping and leisure travel patterns; freight related data; and a good quality mapping of existing infrastructure. Another major constraint concerns the approach used for planning transport projects. The most common approach used is the trip-based approach, which uses trips between two points to project travel demand, and treats separate trips independently. This approach gives insufficient weight to individual?s behaviour over space and time, and therefore to interdependence of trips. A trip from home to office including a movie at the theatre can be completed either by coming home first, and then a separate trip to the theatre, or by going to the theatre directly from office, which of these modes is used may depend on several variables, including options for public transit, parking charges, etc. Recognising such interdependence is essential when the goal of transport policy is to move individuals. Complex behavioural responses of individuals to demand management policies cannot be properly modelled by focusing on individual trips. The main limitations of the current methods (and models) to project transport demand and JNNURM can be summarised as follows: - The models do not reflect people recalling some trips they undertook and many short trips that people forget. The models also don?t capture adequate information on the purpose and interdependence of trips and the factors impacting the demand and preference for travel. - The calibration of these models to fit the community or region is done by existing data such as population density and growth, occupational structure and household incomes. While trip-related and individual level data such as vehicle ownership, cost of travel and trip lengths are obtained by household surveys, most socio economic and demographic data comes from existing sources. - Occupational structure and population growth are based on decennial census which is not truly reflective of the recent changes in socio-economic and demographic profile of a region. As a result, significant data gaps arise. The dynamic nature of the Indian economic and social change, shifting geographical location of economic activities and consequent internal migration and rapid urbanisation and constraints in transport planning due to lack of recent data addthese gaps. - Data inadequacy is the lack of enough disaggregation in current household travel data for modelling separate market segments. - Origin-destination data on freight movement and private sector passenger transport is hardly available. - Household surveys do not sufficiently permit analysis of the impact of improvements in non-motorised transport on travel conditions. - For better transport planning, under the JNNURM, there are several measures designed to address data gaps and other limitations that merit consideration. - Questionnaire surveys and diaries, which are widely used internationally for collecting data required for transport planning, need to be used more widely. The frequency and choice of days for maintaining diaries should conform to standards that ensure minimal underreporting of trips and less respondent burden. Transport studies and data collection efforts should be used for generating socio-economic data which are recent and policy relevant. - Available technologies could be used more strategically and extensively for collecting travel flow and behaviour data on the roads for better accuracy and timeliness. GIS (geographic information system) techniques could be considered for collecting information on institutional and location characteristics such as opening hours and features of transport modes which impact on the choice of activities and travel. - Automated pedestrian counters can be a useful way for collecting pedestrian-related information for continuous and heterogeneous traffic. These counters will allow planners to collect accurate pedestrian flow data and pedestrian characteristics (age, gender mix, etc). Such data on pedestrian volumes and their behaviour can help in evaluating the impacts of investments in pedestrian infrastructure and modelling pedestrian flows. - The conventional modelling uses macro level aggregates of area locations for calculating trip generation and distribution. Use of GPS (global positioning system) technology to collect disaggregated data with spatial and temporal components could be useful for understanding travel behaviour and therefore transport planning. - l The Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation (MSPI) has suggested that to improve freight data collection more coordinated approach to log books of the truck operators and to various check-posts are to be considered. Regular updating of databases on transport infrastructure/facilities in urban areas is also needed - Urgency needs to be exhibited in establishing and in the smooth functioning of Unified Metropolitan Transport Authorities. It can help integrate transport service planning and provision at city level, and serve as a single agency overseeing all the modes of transport. It can help minimise multiplicity of departments/ agencies involved in transport planning, provision and regulation. - As India experiences rapid urbanisation, and as transport needs grow, better transport planning, including under JNNURM, has become essential. In addition to the measures suggested above, others such as flexible work timings, telecommuting, congestion pricing, better integration of urban amenities and services to minimise motorised and public transport merit consideration. *Mukul Asher is professor at Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy,* *National University of Singapore (sppasher@nus.edu.sg) and Tarun Sharma is an independent urban policy consultant* *URL of the article:* http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/report_improvements-needed-in-planning-transport-projects-under-jnnurm_1576710-all From hsrinivas at gdrc.org Fri Aug 19 13:25:58 2011 From: hsrinivas at gdrc.org (GDRC|Hari Srinivas) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:25:58 +0900 Subject: [sustran] Examples of "green" airports? Message-ID: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Dear folks, Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... Thanks a lot, Hari -- Dr. Hari Srinivas, Coordinator, Global Development Research Center Kobe, Japan Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg From adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com Fri Aug 19 15:07:15 2011 From: adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com (Dr Adhiraj Joglekar) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:07:15 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Message-ID: Green in what sense? Air pollution or noise? As someone affected by Heathrow and its owners infinite wish to add more flights, I have looked in to this a bit. Going 'Green' is relative and definitions change in time. The BAA continue to think noise affects people when close to 70 db, the WHO says its more like 50db. Whether someone is affected or not is considered by averaging out figures. Trouble is planes fly in to the wind which changes. The easterly winds die out in summer and peak in spring yet the BAA uses summer averages when discussing mitigation schemes. 50 years ago a plane flew once every 10 minutes, today its one every 90sec for 18 hours a day. So the claim that chapter 3 and 4 planes pollute less is theoritical as benefits are off set by higher frequencies. When airports run at capacity as is case with Heathrow, one ends up with not one or two but 6 arrival stacks over areas 15 miles away from the port. Trade offs are hard to manage. Studies suggest continuous climb procedures reduce departure pollution, both noise and air. But Heathrow can't implement this as they will first need to reduce stacks to at least 4. With arrivals, a continous descent at 3 degree with planes cutting off engines helps residents close to the port but it means a flatter approach path over wider areas of the cities. In contrast, a 4 or 5 degree slope affects less away from the port but wrecks lives of people adjacent to it. As winds are unpredictable, what helps around Heathrow is alternating runway use for arrivals. There are 2 paths and the swap at 3pm. Irrespective of when winds turn, a yearly table tells you week by week when the path over you is in use. This brings a notion of predictable relief and control to communities, albeit only with respect to what is heard ie noise. The people care less on day to day level about the invisible stuff and hence air pollution at pragmatic level is secondary (though ev eryone agrees its a global issue and planes contribute majorly). Fact that a third of Heathrow users are in transit and equal numbers flying to places commutable. Y train is forgotten. The high speed rail can play major role with latter. The former brings little money to UK and overall the economic case to justify further expansion for sake of the Nation or region does not hold true (it only lines the pockets of share holders). Adhiraj On 19/08/2011, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > Dear folks, > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > Thanks a lot, > Hari > > -- > Dr. Hari Srinivas, > Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > Kobe, Japan > Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- www.driving-india.blogspot.com From kanthikannan at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 15:45:28 2011 From: kanthikannan at gmail.com (Kanthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:15:28 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: A few doubts: Please help: Thanks Message-ID: <4e4e06d7.c137440a.388b.085c@mx.google.com> Dear all Greetings!! In Hyderabad, is there a WB/ ADB/ WHO assisted road safety cell? If yes, please can some one please help us to get the details? Thanks Kanthi From hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de Fri Aug 19 17:33:24 2011 From: hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christof Hertel) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:33:24 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Message-ID: <4E4E1FD4.9040006@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Dear Hari, you can have a look here: http://www.globalreporting.org/ReportingFramework/SectorSupplements/Airports/ The content of the Supplement was developed by a multi-stakeholder, geographically diverse Working Group, formed by volunteers from companies, investors, labor and non-governmental organizations. The following organizations formed part of the Working Group: Maybe check the airports listed there to see if they are green or greenwashed. Best Christof Am 19.08.2011 06:25, schrieb GDRC|Hari Srinivas: > Dear folks, > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > Thanks a lot, > Hari > From operations at velomondial.net Fri Aug 19 15:59:44 2011 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:59:44 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Message-ID: <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and envronmental objectives. 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On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > Dear folks, > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > Thanks a lot, > Hari > > -- > Dr. Hari Srinivas, > Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > Kobe, Japan > Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 19 18:44:04 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:44:04 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Message-ID: <00ef01cc5e54$8a3c8e70$9eb5ab50$@britton@ecoplan.org> _____________________________________________________ World Streets Dear Hari, Of course the only even close to "green" airport is one that charges full cost in every category to every carrier that lands there. I say this with a wink in on eye (and a tear in the other), and while it is a bit cruptic and "unrealisitic", might there not still be a clue of sorts there? I hope so. Warm regards, Eric Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships / Sustainability Seminar Series 8, rue Jospeh Bara 75006 Paris France Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement From krishkaran at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 18:49:12 2011 From: krishkaran at gmail.com (krishna gopal) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:19:12 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> Message-ID: http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort < operations@velomondial.net> wrote: > Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will > never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become > sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as > environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should > pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and > envronmental objectives. > > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > Executive Director > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > operations@velomondial.net > +31206270675 landline > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo > Mondial's blog here > > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > > > Dear folks, > > > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > > > Thanks a lot, > > Hari > > > > -- > > Dr. Hari Srinivas, > > Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > > Kobe, Japan > > Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > > Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > > Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > > Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- C.Krishnagopal National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell Service Level Benchmarking Ministry of Urban Development,GoI Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 =================== P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? From operations at velomondial.net Fri Aug 19 18:58:05 2011 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58:05 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> Message-ID: Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they should. However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole environment. Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. Which is a very laudable goal. Pascal J.W. van den Noort Executive Director Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National operations@velomondial.net +31206270675 landline +31627055688 mobile phone Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: > http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort wrote: > Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and envronmental objectives. > > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > Executive Director > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > operations@velomondial.net > +31206270675 landline > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here > > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > > > Dear folks, > > > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > > > Thanks a lot, > > Hari > > > > -- > > Dr. Hari Srinivas, > > Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > > Kobe, Japan > > Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > > Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > > Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > > Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > -- > C.Krishnagopal > National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell > Service Level Benchmarking > Ministry of Urban Development,GoI > Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 > =================== > P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? > From dguruswamy at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 19:53:27 2011 From: dguruswamy at hotmail.com (Dharm Guruswamy) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 06:53:27 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org><8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> Message-ID: <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure sustainability. These include: 1) Offering recycling 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses instead of running individual shuttle operations 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as possible Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing world if all they want is to have the air service others in the developing world already enjoy. -- Dharm On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" wrote: > Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they > should. > > However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole > environment. > > Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. > > Which is a very laudable goal. > > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > Executive Director > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > operations@velomondial.net > +31206270675 landline > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo > Mondial's blog here > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: > > > http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx > > > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort wrote: > > Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and envronmental objectives. > > > > > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > > Executive Director > > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > > > operations@velomondial.net > > +31206270675 landline > > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here > > > > > > > > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > > > > > Dear folks, > > > > > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > > > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > > > > > Thanks a lot, > > > Hari > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Hari Srinivas, > > > Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > > > Kobe, Japan > > > Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > > > Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > > > Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > > > Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > -- > > C.Krishnagopal > > National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell > > Service Level Benchmarking > > Ministry of Urban Development,GoI > > Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 > > =================== > > P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Dharm Guruswamy dguruswamy@hotmail.com From operations at velomondial.net Fri Aug 19 20:43:55 2011 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:43:55 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org><8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and improve. Pascal J.W. van den Noort Executive Director Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National operations@velomondial.net +31206270675 landline +31627055688 mobile phone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-2.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 33926 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110819/7f988d29/PastedGraphic-2-0002.tiff -------------- next part -------------- Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please remember, much of the > developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For > example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri > Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and > Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the > evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay > Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave > within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at > least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the > evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport > in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even > in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo > and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. > My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing > world if all they want is to have the air service others in the > developing world already enjoy. > > -- > Dharm > > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" > wrote: >> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they >> should. >> >> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole >> environment. >> >> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. >> >> Which is a very laudable goal. >> >> >> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >> Executive Director >> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >> >> operations@velomondial.net >> +31206270675 landline >> +31627055688 mobile phone >> >> >> >> >> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo >> Mondial's blog here >> >> >> >> >> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >> >> >> >> >> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: >> >>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort wrote: >>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and envronmental objectives. >>> >>> >>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>> Executive Director >>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>> >>> operations@velomondial.net >>> +31206270675 landline >>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: >>> >>>> Dear folks, >>>> >>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? >>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot, >>>> Hari >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas, >>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center >>>> Kobe, Japan >>>> Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org >>>> Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ >>>> Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org >>>> Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> C.Krishnagopal >>> National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell >>> Service Level Benchmarking >>> Ministry of Urban Development,GoI >>> Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 >>> =================== >>> P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > -- > Dharm Guruswamy > dguruswamy@hotmail.com > > From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 21:18:31 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Pardo) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:18:31 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: You should start your search of green airports by finding airports that have closed. Pardo Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. On 19/08/2011, at 6:43, Pascal van den Noort wrote: > Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and improve. > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > Executive Director > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > operations@velomondial.net > +31206270675 landline > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here > > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 12:53, Dharm Guruswamy wrote: > >> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure >> sustainability. These include: >> >> 1) Offering recycling >> 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation >> 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses >> instead of running individual shuttle operations >> 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as >> possible >> >> Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports >> are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for >> growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and >> heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the >> developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For >> example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri >> Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and >> Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the >> evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay >> Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave >> within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at >> least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the >> evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport >> in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even >> in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo >> and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. >> My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing >> world if all they want is to have the air service others in the >> developing world already enjoy. >> >> -- >> Dharm >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" >> wrote: >>> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they >>> should. >>> >>> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole >>> environment. >>> >>> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. >>> >>> Which is a very laudable goal. >>> >>> >>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>> Executive Director >>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>> >>> operations@velomondial.net >>> +31206270675 landline >>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo >>> Mondial's blog here >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort wrote: >>>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and envronmental objectives. >>>> >>>> >>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>> Executive Director >>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>> >>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>> +31206270675 landline >>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear folks, >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? >>>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot, >>>>> Hari >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas, >>>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center >>>>> Kobe, Japan >>>>> Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org >>>>> Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ >>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org >>>>> Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>> >>>>> ================================================================ >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> C.Krishnagopal >>>> National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell >>>> Service Level Benchmarking >>>> Ministry of Urban Development,GoI >>>> Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 >>>> =================== >>>> P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> -- >> Dharm Guruswamy >> dguruswamy@hotmail.com >> >> > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From sudhir at cai-asia.org Fri Aug 19 21:24:17 2011 From: sudhir at cai-asia.org (Sudhir) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:24:17 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I understood the question as - do you know of good recommendations for reducing emissions from Airports? There can never be something called as Green airport as we don't have green roads ( excluding footpath and bikeways) SG On 19 August 2011 20:18, Pardo wrote: > You should start your search of green airports by finding airports that > have closed. > ought > Pardo > > Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. > > On 19/08/2011, at 6:43, Pascal van den Noort > wrote: > > > Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and > improve. > > > > Pascal J.W. van den Noort > > Executive Director > > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > > > > operations@velomondial.net > > +31206270675 landline > > +31627055688 mobile phone > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo > Mondial's blog here > > > > > > > > > > > > Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > > > > > > > > > > On 19 aug 2011, at 12:53, Dharm Guruswamy wrote: > > > >> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure > >> sustainability. These include: > >> > >> 1) Offering recycling > >> 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation > >> 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses > >> instead of running individual shuttle operations > >> 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as > >> possible > >> > >> Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports > >> are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for > >> growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and > >> heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the > >> developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For > >> example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri > >> Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and > >> Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the > >> evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay > >> Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave > >> within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at > >> least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the > >> evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport > >> in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even > >> in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo > >> and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. > >> My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing > >> world if all they want is to have the air service others in the > >> developing world already enjoy. > >> > >> -- > >> Dharm > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" > >> wrote: > >>> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they > >>> should. > >>> > >>> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole > >>> environment. > >>> > >>> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. > >>> > >>> Which is a very laudable goal. > >>> > >>> > >>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort > >>> Executive Director > >>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > >>> > >>> operations@velomondial.net > >>> +31206270675 landline > >>> +31627055688 mobile phone > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit > Velo > >>> Mondial's blog here > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: > >>> > >>>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort < > operations@velomondial.net> wrote: > >>>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that > will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become > sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as > environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should > pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and > envronmental objectives. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort > >>>> Executive Director > >>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National > >>>> > >>>> operations@velomondial.net > >>>> +31206270675 landline > >>>> +31627055688 mobile phone > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit > Velo Mondial's blog here > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear folks, > >>>>> > >>>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone > green? > >>>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks a lot, > >>>>> Hari > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas, > >>>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center > >>>>> Kobe, Japan > >>>>> Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org > >>>>> Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ > >>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org > >>>>> Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================================================ > >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>> > >>>> ================================================================ > >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> C.Krishnagopal > >>>> National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell > >>>> Service Level Benchmarking > >>>> Ministry of Urban Development,GoI > >>>> Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 > >>>> =================== > >>>> P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the > negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? > >>>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>> > >>> ================================================================ > >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > >>> (the 'Global South'). > >>> > >> -- > >> Dharm Guruswamy > >> dguruswamy@hotmail.com > >> > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Sudhir Gota Technical Manager ( Transportation) CAI-Asia Center Units 3504-05, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City Metro Manila, Philippines 1605 Tel: +63-2-395-2843, Fax: +63-2-395-2846, Mobile : +919742370985 www.cleanairinitiative.org Skype : sudhirgota From sunny.enie at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 21:37:52 2011 From: sunny.enie at gmail.com (Sunny Kodukula) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:07:52 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <22F69B24-2806-4802-97A0-77C3E22BE080@gmail.com> Or was the question how to make airports "green" in terms of energy consumption, and resource utilisation. For suggestion made by Carlos, i would recommend seeing at Templehof Airport in Berlin. The airport is closed now and the run way is a great public space now. sunny On 19-Aug-2011, at 5:54 PM, Sudhir wrote: > I understood the question as - do you know of good recommendations for > reducing emissions from Airports? > There can never be something called as Green airport as we don't have green > roads ( excluding footpath and bikeways) > > SG > > > On 19 August 2011 20:18, Pardo wrote: > >> You should start your search of green airports by finding airports that >> have closed. >> ought >> Pardo >> >> Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. >> >> On 19/08/2011, at 6:43, Pascal van den Noort >> wrote: >> >>> Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and >> improve. >>> >>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>> Executive Director >>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>> >>> operations@velomondial.net >>> +31206270675 landline >>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo >> Mondial's blog here >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 aug 2011, at 12:53, Dharm Guruswamy wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure >>>> sustainability. These include: >>>> >>>> 1) Offering recycling >>>> 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation >>>> 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses >>>> instead of running individual shuttle operations >>>> 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as >>>> possible >>>> >>>> Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports >>>> are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for >>>> growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and >>>> heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the >>>> developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For >>>> example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri >>>> Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and >>>> Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the >>>> evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay >>>> Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave >>>> within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at >>>> least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the >>>> evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport >>>> in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even >>>> in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo >>>> and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. >>>> My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing >>>> world if all they want is to have the air service others in the >>>> developing world already enjoy. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dharm >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" >>>> wrote: >>>>> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they >>>>> should. >>>>> >>>>> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole >>>>> environment. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. >>>>> >>>>> Which is a very laudable goal. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>>> Executive Director >>>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>>> >>>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>>> +31206270675 landline >>>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit >> Velo >>>>> Mondial's blog here >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort < >> operations@velomondial.net> wrote: >>>>>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that >> will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become >> sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as >> environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should >> pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and >> envronmental objectives. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>>>> Executive Director >>>>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>>>> >>>>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>>>> +31206270675 landline >>>>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit >> Velo Mondial's blog here >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone >> green? >>>>>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks a lot, >>>>>>> Hari >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas, >>>>>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center >>>>>>> Kobe, Japan >>>>>>> Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org >>>>>>> Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ >>>>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org >>>>>>> Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> C.Krishnagopal >>>>>> National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell >>>>>> Service Level Benchmarking >>>>>> Ministry of Urban Development,GoI >>>>>> Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 >>>>>> =================== >>>>>> P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the >> negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>> >>>>> ================================================================ >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries >>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dharm Guruswamy >>>> dguruswamy@hotmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > > > > -- > Sudhir Gota > Technical Manager ( Transportation) > CAI-Asia Center > Units 3504-05, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, > ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City > Metro Manila, Philippines 1605 > Tel: +63-2-395-2843, Fax: +63-2-395-2846, Mobile : +919742370985 > www.cleanairinitiative.org > Skype : sudhirgota > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 22:04:33 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Pardo) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:04:33 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <22F69B24-2806-4802-97A0-77C3E22BE080@gmail.com> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> <22F69B24-2806-4802-97A0-77C3E22BE080@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B51BEBC-A887-45FA-9871-63F8B4D31FA1@gmail.com> Sorry for the sarcasm. What I meant in that brief note was that the question poses a minefield-debate. Yes, a building can generate less emissions and be more "green" and een have staff riding bikes inside (see Frankfurt airport), but the whole nature (and some would say its unintended goal) is to pollute. Though it may sound too militant, it reminds us of the example of Mazda car factory employees who are encouraged to bike to work (a similar initiative is being developed by Chevron in Colombia). So the actual positive news would be that the airport is no longer needed because people are doing all trips previousl served by airplane now by train, but it is far-fetched to expect that from more than 1% of world airports. Otherwise, how would the overseas attendants to the World Carfee Network conference in mexico in september get there without investing a full month or more arriving sustainably? As I said, a minefield. Pardo Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. On 19/08/2011, at 7:37, Sunny Kodukula wrote: > Or was the question how to make airports "green" in terms of energy consumption, and resource utilisation. > > For suggestion made by Carlos, i would recommend seeing at Templehof Airport in Berlin. The airport is closed now and the run way is a great public space now. > > sunny > > On 19-Aug-2011, at 5:54 PM, Sudhir wrote: > >> I understood the question as - do you know of good recommendations for >> reducing emissions from Airports? >> There can never be something called as Green airport as we don't have green >> roads ( excluding footpath and bikeways) >> >> SG >> >> >> On 19 August 2011 20:18, Pardo wrote: >> >>> You should start your search of green airports by finding airports that >>> have closed. >>> ought >>> Pardo >>> >>> Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. >>> >>> On 19/08/2011, at 6:43, Pascal van den Noort >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and >>> improve. >>>> >>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>> Executive Director >>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>> >>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>> +31206270675 landline >>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo >>> Mondial's blog here >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 12:53, Dharm Guruswamy wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure >>>>> sustainability. These include: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Offering recycling >>>>> 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation >>>>> 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses >>>>> instead of running individual shuttle operations >>>>> 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as >>>>> possible >>>>> >>>>> Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports >>>>> are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for >>>>> growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and >>>>> heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the >>>>> developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For >>>>> example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri >>>>> Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and >>>>> Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the >>>>> evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay >>>>> Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave >>>>> within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at >>>>> least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the >>>>> evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport >>>>> in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even >>>>> in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo >>>>> and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai. >>>>> My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing >>>>> world if all they want is to have the air service others in the >>>>> developing world already enjoy. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dharm >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort" >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they >>>>>> should. >>>>>> >>>>>> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole >>>>>> environment. >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is a very laudable goal. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>>>> Executive Director >>>>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>>>> >>>>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>>>> +31206270675 landline >>>>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit >>> Velo >>>>>> Mondial's blog here >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort < >>> operations@velomondial.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that >>> will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become >>> sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as >>> environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should >>> pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and >>> envronmental objectives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort >>>>>>> Executive Director >>>>>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National >>>>>>> >>>>>>> operations@velomondial.net >>>>>>> +31206270675 landline >>>>>>> +31627055688 mobile phone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit >>> Velo Mondial's blog here >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear folks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone >>> green? >>>>>>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks a lot, >>>>>>>> Hari >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas, >>>>>>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center >>>>>>>> Kobe, Japan >>>>>>>> Email: hsrinivas@gdrc.org >>>>>>>> Web: http://www.gdrc.org/ >>>>>>>> Facebook: facebook.com/gdrc.org >>>>>>>> Twitter: twitter.com/gdrcdotorg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> C.Krishnagopal >>>>>>> National Technical Advisor-SLB Cell >>>>>>> Service Level Benchmarking >>>>>>> Ministry of Urban Development,GoI >>>>>>> Mobile: 91(0)9957557645 >>>>>>> =================== >>>>>>> P Before you print this email or attachments, please consider the >>> negative environmental impacts associated with printing. ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries >>>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dharm Guruswamy >>>>> dguruswamy@hotmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sudhir Gota >> Technical Manager ( Transportation) >> CAI-Asia Center >> Units 3504-05, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, >> ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City >> Metro Manila, Philippines 1605 >> Tel: +63-2-395-2843, Fax: +63-2-395-2846, Mobile : +919742370985 >> www.cleanairinitiative.org >> Skype : sudhirgota >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From hsrinivas at gdrc.org Fri Aug 19 22:16:30 2011 From: hsrinivas at gdrc.org (GDRC|Hari Srinivas) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:16:30 +0900 Subject: [sustran] CLARIFICATION - Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> Message-ID: <4E4E622E.2040405@gdrc.org> Dear all, I ought to have been more clearer in my query - my apologies. Judging from the responses so far, one of the first steps is a clearer definition of the very term, "green Airport" is in order, so that there is common ground for discussion. By "going green" - I essentially meant airports implementing initiatives that reduced their impact on the environment - in terms of overall resources consumed and in terms of wastes and emissions produced. Examples of initiatives include energy efficiency (reducing energy use, increasing renewable energy use); water efficiency and reducing waste water generation; reducing wastes generated, separating and recycling wastes; etc. - in other words impacting practically everything that happens in an airport. Of course, there is no one airport where all these things happen, but some airports have gone the extra mile to implement many initiatives, or a majority of airports at least have a garbage separation system in place - all under a "Green Airport" or "Sustainable Airport" banner. Sorry for that long-winded clarification :-) I was therefore looking for examples of airports that have implemented a number of such initiatives. Thanks for all the responses so far ... Hari Srinivas Coordinator, GDRC KOBE, Japan GDRC|Hari Srinivas said the following on 8/19/11 13:25: > Dear folks, > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > Thanks a lot, > Hari From hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de Fri Aug 19 22:55:11 2011 From: hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christof Hertel) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:55:11 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: CLARIFICATION - Re: Examples of "green" airports? Message-ID: <4E4E6B3F.6030207@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Dear Hari, dear all, I think, this is also a question of national legislation, as garbage seperation is not really a big thing in some places, whereas it is a major step forward in others. Main task for green airports in my opinon is, that the landing and starting taxes are sensitive regarding noise and other air pollution, so that noisy and polluting aircrafts will be more expensive than relatively efficient, calm and clean airplanes. One major issue in air cargo is actually in Europe, that lots of the air freight gets "trucked", as within Europe any place can be reached by road within 24h, which is sufficient for most of the air freight... So this is something, where I am happy to see trucks on the road ;-) and the airplanes are dispensable. If also the passengers would think the same way as the goods, and would use the train instead. Best Christof BTW: Homepage for the Berlin Tempelhof Airport Park: *http://www.tempelhoferfreiheit.de/ * Am 19.08.2011 15:16, schrieb GDRC|Hari Srinivas: > Dear all, > > > I ought to have been more clearer in my query - my apologies. Judging > from the responses so far, one of the first steps is a clearer > definition of the very term, "green Airport" is in order, so that there > is common ground for discussion. > > By "going green" - I essentially meant airports implementing initiatives > that reduced their impact on the environment - in terms of overall > resources consumed and in terms of wastes and emissions produced. > > Examples of initiatives include energy efficiency (reducing energy use, > increasing renewable energy use); water efficiency and reducing waste > water generation; reducing wastes generated, separating and recycling > wastes; etc. - in other words impacting practically everything that > happens in an airport. > > Of course, there is no one airport where all these things happen, but > some airports have gone the extra mile to implement many initiatives, or > a majority of airports at least have a garbage separation system in > place - all under a "Green Airport" or "Sustainable Airport" banner. > > Sorry for that long-winded clarification :-) I was therefore looking for > examples of airports that have implemented a number of such initiatives. > Thanks for all the responses so far ... > > > Hari Srinivas > > Coordinator, GDRC > KOBE, Japan > > GDRC|Hari Srinivas said the following on 8/19/11 13:25: >> Dear folks, >> >> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? >> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >> >> Thanks a lot, >> Hari > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From dguruswamy at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 23:37:09 2011 From: dguruswamy at hotmail.com (Dharm Guruswamy) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:37:09 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: CLARIFICATION - Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4E622E.2040405@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <4E4E622E.2040405@gdrc.org> Message-ID: <1313764629.13524.140258131494401@webmail.messagingengine.com> Within the United States, he Massachusetts Port Authority which runs Boston's Logan Airport has an excellent sustainability program: http://www.massport.com/environment/Pages/Default.aspx -- Dharm Guruswamy On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:16 +0900, "GDRC|Hari Srinivas" wrote: > Dear all, > > > I ought to have been more clearer in my query - my apologies. Judging > from the responses so far, one of the first steps is a clearer > definition of the very term, "green Airport" is in order, so that there > is common ground for discussion. > > By "going green" - I essentially meant airports implementing initiatives > that reduced their impact on the environment - in terms of overall > resources consumed and in terms of wastes and emissions produced. > > Examples of initiatives include energy efficiency (reducing energy use, > increasing renewable energy use); water efficiency and reducing waste > water generation; reducing wastes generated, separating and recycling > wastes; etc. - in other words impacting practically everything that > happens in an airport. > > Of course, there is no one airport where all these things happen, but > some airports have gone the extra mile to implement many initiatives, or > a majority of airports at least have a garbage separation system in > place - all under a "Green Airport" or "Sustainable Airport" banner. > > Sorry for that long-winded clarification :-) I was therefore looking for > examples of airports that have implemented a number of such initiatives. > Thanks for all the responses so far ... > > > Hari Srinivas > > Coordinator, GDRC > KOBE, Japan > > GDRC|Hari Srinivas said the following on 8/19/11 13:25: > > Dear folks, > > > > Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? > > Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... > > > > Thanks a lot, > > Hari > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Dharm Guruswamy dguruswamy@hotmail.com From alok.priyanka at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 23:43:56 2011 From: alok.priyanka at gmail.com (Jains) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:13:56 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: CLARIFICATION - Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <4E4E622E.2040405@gdrc.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org> <4E4E622E.2040405@gdrc.org> Message-ID: For Hong Kong Airport - http://www.hongkongairport.com/eng/csr/environmental-management/index.html Regards Alok On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:46 PM, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote: > Dear all, > > > I ought to have been more clearer in my query - my apologies. Judging > from the responses so far, one of the first steps is a clearer > definition of the very term, "green Airport" is in order, so that there > is common ground for discussion. > > By "going green" - I essentially meant airports implementing initiatives > that reduced their impact on the environment - in terms of overall > resources consumed and in terms of wastes and emissions produced. > > Examples of initiatives include energy efficiency (reducing energy use, > increasing renewable energy use); water efficiency and reducing waste > water generation; reducing wastes generated, separating and recycling > wastes; etc. - in other words impacting practically everything that > happens in an airport. > > Of course, there is no one airport where all these things happen, but > some airports have gone the extra mile to implement many initiatives, or > a majority of airports at least have a garbage separation system in > place - all under a "Green Airport" or "Sustainable Airport" banner. > > Sorry for that long-winded clarification :-) I was therefore looking for > examples of airports that have implemented a number of such initiatives. > Thanks for all the responses so far ... > > > Hari Srinivas > > Coordinator, GDRC > KOBE, Japan > > GDRC|Hari Srinivas said the following on 8/19/11 13:25: >> Dear folks, >> >> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone green? >> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ... >> >> Thanks a lot, >> Hari > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Aug 20 00:09:30 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:09:30 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org><8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <020a01cc5e82$01df69c0$059e3d40$@britton@ecoplan.org> Pascal J. W. van den Noort wrote on this date: "Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and improve." An admirable sentiment but. . . I could not agree with you less. My view: Of course, I am here to do all that important stuff (analyze, encourage, etc.) but when it is necessary and when it can be effective I am also here to judge. I swam fully prepared to do this. I am not a neutral party. I have a clear agenda and value set which is clearly announced before I step up to bat each time. Tom Jefferson put it like this: ? An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry. We have to quarrel before we finally agree. We are making a revolution of sustainability and this means that we need to put our brains together and speak our minds. And judge and condemn when that is needed and when it is effective. Sorry Pascal, but you hit a nerve. Eric Britton PS. On another topic on which I hope we can all agree. Have a look at the Streets of Kampala at http://streetsofkampala.wordpress.com, and if you approve what we are trying to do please sign in and give a sign of your support. We can make this a sustainable planet, city by city. From operations at velomondial.net Sat Aug 20 00:14:15 2011 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:14:15 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports? In-Reply-To: <020a01cc5e82$01df69c0$059e3d40$@britton@ecoplan.org> References: <4E4DE5D6.3020807@gdrc.org><8E7D62B5-36EB-4EBA-A5AB-D6DF272A3CA6@velomondial.net> <1313751207.17809.140258131425641@webmail.messagingengine.com> <020a01cc5e82$01df69c0$059e3d40$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: <6660582F-79F6-4E52-914A-DFFC2707BE71@velomondial.net> You know better than nobody else that we are in full agreement; it is nice however to see you a bit feisty again :-0 Now, since you are ready to judge my challenge to you is to judge what should weigh heavier in the sustainability debate and also how we should weigh them: economic interests, social cohesion or environmental issues. How do we weigh the best balance? Pascal J.W. van den Noort Executive Director Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National operations@velomondial.net +31206270675 landline +31627055688 mobile phone Subscribe to Velo Mondial's Blog (Twitter, Yahoo, Google) and Visit Velo Mondial's blog here Get all info on the Forum by clicking this link. On 19 aug 2011, at 17:09, eric britton wrote: > Pascal J. W. van den Noort wrote on this date: "Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and improve." > > An admirable sentiment but. . . I could not agree with you less. > > My view: Of course, I am here to do all that important stuff (analyze, encourage, etc.) but when it is necessary and when it can be effective I am also here to judge. I swam fully prepared to do this. I am not a neutral party. I have a clear agenda and value set which is clearly announced before I step up to bat each time. > > Tom Jefferson put it like this: > ? An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry. > > We have to quarrel before we finally agree. We are making a revolution of sustainability and this means that we need to put our brains together and speak our minds. And judge and condemn when that is needed and when it is effective. > > Sorry Pascal, but you hit a nerve. > > Eric Britton > > PS. On another topic on which I hope we can all agree. Have a look at the Streets of Kampala at http://streetsofkampala.wordpress.com, and if you approve what we are trying to do please sign in and give a sign of your support. We can make this a sustainable planet, city by city. > > > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Aug 20 17:30:45 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:30:45 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Streets of Kampala: Sustainable transport - One city at a time Message-ID: <00ce01cc5f13$7c388d00$74a9a700$@britton@ecoplan.org> May we ask you to show your support for the just getting underway Streets of Kampala website in a way which is easily done but important for this ambitious team project. The front door is wide open at http://streetsofkampala.wordpress.com/. And if you like what you see, it would be great if you would click here http://wp.me/P1MjAl-2L where you will see the easy guidelines for expressing your support. Make that your good deed for today Eric Britton Eric Britton, Editor / Managing Director World Streets / New Mobility Partnerships / Sustainability Seminar Series 8, rue Jospeh Bara 75006 Paris France Tel. +331 7550 3788 | editor@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility P Avant d'imprimer, pensez ? l'environnement From yanivbin at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 00:18:19 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:48:19 +0530 Subject: [sustran] =?windows-1252?Q?=91Garden_city_is_risky_to_walk=92?= Message-ID: http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/81/2011082020110820195406657aab13edd/%E2%80%98Garden-city-is-risky-to-walk%E2%80%99.html#ftr2<%20%20%20http://www.bangaloremirror.com/article/81/2011082020110820195406657aab13edd/%E2%80%98Garden-city-is-risky-to-walk%E2%80%99.html#ftr2> *?Garden city is risky to walk?* Considering that walkability and pedestrian needs amount to just 0.6 per cent of the total budget of Bangalore in the next 20 years, it is not a surprise that pedestrians are just not in the scheme of things when road infrastructure plans are conceptualised * By Sahana Charan* * Posted On Saturday, August 20, 2011* [image: Out Standing] [image: Out Standing] [image: Out Standing] [image: Out Standing] [image: Out Standing] Bangalore has been categorised as ?risky to walk?. This is what Sudhir Gota and Sameera Kumar found out when they did the study ? Pedestrian at Crossroads:A case study of Bangalore. ?There is a lack of pedestrian policies and political support that cater to the needs of pedestrians at the national, state and local levels. Only few cities have a pedestrian policy or even pedestrian master plan. A city like Bangalore has drafted a policy paper for pedestrian movement in the Bangalore metropolitan region. The policy paper and the comprehensive traffic and transportation study envision a pedestrian mode share target of only 20 per cent by 2025. With such a relatively small vision/target, the city may be planning for ?poor walkability?,? says Sudhir. *In 2011...** *It takes a mother carrying a small child as much as 10 minutes to cross the road on Old Airport road at the bus stop near Diamond district. That?s because there is no signal on that road, no zebra crossing and people have to wait for natural breaks in traffic, which are very few and far-between. The time provided for pedestrians to cross Bellary road (opposite Air Force Station) is just 20 seconds while the waiting time is nothing less than 15 minutes. At Khodays circle near Railway Bhavan, it took seven minutes to cross a road completely but lots of pedestrians were stuck in the middle of the heavy traffic. The zebra crossings here are poorly planned ? some end on a fence on the road, with no way to get on to the footpath while some have a traffic island on the other end. At EGL Exit gate on Intermediate Ring Road, it took seven minutes to walk to the other side of the road, even at the zebra crossing. On Nandidurg road, the duration of pedestrian green is 10 seconds but it takes close to 10 minutes to actually cross the road. Moreover, they have to wait for two minutes 40 seconds before the next green comes. The duration of vehicle green: 45 seconds. This place is signal and divider free, busy, narrow and has bidirectional traffic. At Sophia School junction, in one hour, around 25 people took the skywalk to get to the other side of the road while 50 people crossed at the road level. Elderly people and persons with disabilities found it extremely difficult to climb up the stairs of the skywalk, considering it has 116 steps (58 and 58 down). This is just a sample from the ongoing reality check that members of the Hasiru Usiru collective ? who started the Come, Cross the Road campaign ? carried out at important traffic junctions in different parts of the city. And these numbers are testimony to how the pedestrian in Bangalore has been relegated to the corner, side-stepped in favour of the omnipresent vehicles on the road. ?A few months ago, we were conducting a protest at Jayamahal Road where trees were being cut for widening and we noticed that the pedestrians were extremely inconvenienced while crossing because of the heavy traffic. That is when seven of us from Hasiru Usiru decided to do this exercise to find out the problems faced by them. We have been getting various cross-sections of people to cross the road at various points in the city and we found that person may take anything between two to 10 or sometimes even 15 minutes to get to the other side of the road. Even this they do at great risk to themselves and for elderly and the disabled it is just impossible to cross some junctions. Another problem is the bad condition of footpaths, which are either uneven or encroached upon. In many places, people can?t walk becaue of vehicles parked on the footpath. The problems are manifold,? says Sridhar Raman of Come, Cross the Road campaign. *NOT A PLACE TO WALK** *Sudhir Gota works as a Technical Manager in the Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Center in Manila and Sameera Kumar is a transport researcher, CAI-Asia and over the past few years both of them, along with their colleagues, have conducted studies that look at design standards, Non-Motorised Transport (NMT) policy issues, done pedestrian interview surveys and also conducted walkability surveys over 21 cities, one of them being Bangalore. The study revealed that walking environment in the city varies significantly depending upon the location ? areas where rich live generally have better walkability. Public transport terminals and educational areas have worse walkability. Majority of streets are not accessible i.e. no disability infrastructure. ?Walkability is not only about footpaths but also about availability of crossings, grade crossing safety, motorist behaviour, amenities, disability infrastructure, obstructions and security from crime. Using the same money as required for constructing 1 km metro, one can, on average, construct 350 km of new quality sidewalks! Why don?t we see good footpaths in Bangalore ? is it a rocket science? Is it lack of resources? Lack of space ? No demand? Lack of expertise? I sometimes think that we don?t see good footpaths because its too cheap. If it was expensive, there would have been more support, ? adds Sudhir quite candidly. Most city planners are still under the dream that flyovers, wide roads are what make a ?world class city?, while cities such as NY, London, Amsterdam, Guangzhou after years of struggling with congestion, pollution have implemented pedestrian-friendly measures and reaped the benefits. ?Our policies and their implementation have been favouring the motorists with wider roads, signal free corridors, flyovers, skywalks, subways et all without any scientific basis. Pedestrian mode share is invariably shown as less than 10 % since studies forget that public transport and auto rickshaw users are also pedestrians at some point in their travel, who account for about 50% of the travel made! Subways and skyways are highly expensive and are not friendly for people with disabilities, senior citizens and children. Moreover almost all subways in the city are locked after dark as they would become areas of anti-social activities,? says Sameera. *WHERE ARE WE HEADED?** *So are we going towards a future that shuts out the pedestrian ? ?Unless peoples? attitude that the road belongs only to motorists, does not change, pedestrians will have to risk their lives crossing the road. We need to improve institutional arrangements and create dedicated institutional support for pedestrians, develop mandatory complete streets design guidelines, set stringent walkability improvement targets which includes reducing pedestrian fatality and integrate walkability to improve city plans,? adds Sameera. *What walkability survey says **?* Since the 1980s, the walking trips in Bangalore have been depreciating fast ? from 44 per cent it has come down to a meagre 8.3 %. ? The biggest gainers have been two-wheelers and cars. *?* Bangalore also has high pedestrian fatalities ? Pedestrian fatalities in the city accounts for 44 per cent of all road fatalities. From steve_raney at cities21.org Fri Aug 26 08:49:13 2011 From: steve_raney at cities21.org (Steve Raney) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:49:13 -0700 Subject: [sustran] personal rapid transit (PRT) news Message-ID: <00be01cc6381$97e72260$c7b56720$@cities21.org> States Sir Peter Hall (author of "Cities of Tomorrow"), "PRT may transform our cities in ways that we can't yet see." 1. Worldwide PRT industry grows to four customers The three established PRT manufacturers (with customers) are ULTra PRT, 2getthere, and Vectus. ULTra PRT's system at London Heathrow Airport has 2.4 miles of guideway, three stations, and 21 vehicles. 2getthere has a system at Masdar City in Abu Dhabi featuring 1.1 miles of guideway, five stations, and 13 vehicles. 2getthere and ULTra PRT began passenger operation in late 2010. Vectus is implementing a system at Suncheon Bay, South Korea. This system is expected to open in 2013 with six miles of guideway and 40 vehicles. The Amritsar system will be the world's fourth PRT customer. PRT combines low-cost infrastructure with compelling fare box and real-estate economics, to the point where Heathrow and Amritsar systems are financed solely by private sector sources. For PRT systems, a rule of thumb is "PRT infrastructure costs less than two percent of the value of land and buildings that are served." The Advanced Transit Association Industry Group recently published a concise, manufacturer-neutral industry description: [PDF: http://tinyurl.com/3hz5r9e ] 2. London Heathrow Airport ULTra system: awesome, cool, sci-fi, fast, fantastic On April 18, 2011, Terminal 5 (T5) Business Car Park passengers started using the Heathrow ULTra PRT system. In the weeks that followed, operating hours were increased, with the system operating a (22 hour) full service from May 7. As of August 21, approximately 63,000 passenger trips had been completed. The system currently carries about 800 passengers per day, and Airport owner/operator BAA has withdrawn the bus service from this car park, ensuring all passengers travel to and from T5 by the ULTra system. The five minute ride has been described as "futuristic", "rapid" and "a transport revelation." Twitter and Youtube: * "I love these things. Best airport transfer devices ever" * "Awesome sci-fi system" * "Landed and used the very cool #heathrowpod . and they're even better to use - quicker, easier and greener than the buses to/from the car park" * "I am in a pod. A bit like the cab on Total Recall without the mad driver! ... FAST though! ... Almost like a real life scalextric ;-)" * "Geek transportation par excellence!" * "Soooo cool!! Addicting!!" * "Fantastic. Epochal. Could not be more excited. First rate. Staff could not have been friendlier." * 30-second essence: http://youtu.be/iAkqNULN9eY * Full five-minute ride: http://youtu.be/yU972ULVTeU [ Globe and Mail: http://tinyurl.com/3egrzfw ] [ NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/3enctby ] 3. Amritsar out to bid. North India tourist center ULTra PRT and partner ULTra Fairwood undertook detailed planning of Amritsar's bustling, crowded Golden Temple tourist center in North India. The partnership submitted an unsolicited proposal for a two-mile, seven-station system. In response, the Punjab Infrastructure Development Board (PIDB) has specified a Public Private Partnership (PPP) via a Design, Build, Finance, Operate, and Maintain (DBFOM) concession. Amitsar Heritage City system alignment: [ LINK: http://www.fairwoodindia.com/personal-rapid-transport-system ] The Hindu Business Line explains innovative PPP "Swiss Challenge" procurement: [ Article: http://tinyurl.com/44mw5fb ] 4. Raleigh North Hills PRT Kane Realty Corporation and ULTra PRT announced the start of a feasibility study to bring PRT to North Hills at Raleigh, North Carolina. Developer John Kane was a recent Heathrow ULTra passenger: "I think it's a game changer. It's really fun. More people will want to live here, play here, and stay here, with a safe and easy way to move around. We can enhance current transit." North Hills is one of the finest examples of pushing the envelope on successful smart-growth, high density, and mixed-use. Included coverage: News 14 TV, News Observer. Triangle Biz Journal, Midtown Magazine, brochure, and fact sheet. [ LINK: http://www.ultraprt.com/applications/proposed-systems/raleigh-midtown/ ] 5. PRT speakers featured at three upcoming conferences * Podcar City, Stockholm, Sept 6-8: [ http://podcarcity.org/stockholm/ ] * Los Angeles Transportation NEXT, Sept 6: [ http://mobility21.com/overview/ ] * Master class: People Movers in urban development, London, Sept 9: [http://www.transportxtra.com/events_and_services/events/?id=2138 ] 6. Scholarly ULTra PRT papers "ULTra PRT makes ongoing contributions to the peer-reviewed literature on topics encompassing control system design (empty vehicle management, station vehicle throughput optimization, etc), passenger response, planning, airport design, station interface, ridesharing, new mobility, and multimodal travel demand forecasting." [ PAPERS: http://www.ultraprt.com/media/papers/ ] From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 00:31:16 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:31:16 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: personal rapid transit (PRT) news In-Reply-To: <00be01cc6381$97e72260$c7b56720$@cities21.org> References: <00be01cc6381$97e72260$c7b56720$@cities21.org> Message-ID: <4E590DC4.3040408@gmail.com> The same quote of Sir Peter Hall would have been perfect for the car in the beginning of the twentieth century. Thanks for sending it! In the case of PRT, I am curious (maybe scared) to know what it is we can't yet see... ...shouldn't we solve Today before thinking about Tomorrow? I think there's lots to be done, and Asimov-style thinking hasn't been particularly accurate nor useful in the long run. Carlos. On 25/08/2011 06:49 p.m., Steve Raney wrote: > States Sir Peter Hall (author of "Cities of Tomorrow"), "PRT may transform > our cities in ways that we can't yet see." > > 1. Worldwide PRT industry grows to four customers > > The three established PRT manufacturers (with customers) are ULTra PRT, > 2getthere, and Vectus. ULTra PRT's system at London Heathrow Airport has 2.4 > miles of guideway, three stations, and 21 vehicles. 2getthere has a system > at Masdar City in Abu Dhabi featuring 1.1 miles of guideway, five stations, > and 13 vehicles. 2getthere and ULTra PRT began passenger operation in late > 2010. Vectus is implementing a system at Suncheon Bay, South Korea. This > system is expected to open in 2013 with six miles of guideway and 40 > vehicles. The Amritsar system will be the world's fourth PRT customer. PRT > combines low-cost infrastructure with compelling fare box and real-estate > economics, to the point where Heathrow and Amritsar systems are financed > solely by private sector sources. For PRT systems, a rule of thumb is "PRT > infrastructure costs less than two percent of the value of land and > buildings that are served." The Advanced Transit Association Industry Group > recently published a concise, manufacturer-neutral industry description: > [PDF: http://tinyurl.com/3hz5r9e ] > > 2. London Heathrow Airport ULTra system: awesome, cool, sci-fi, fast, > fantastic > > On April 18, 2011, Terminal 5 (T5) Business Car Park passengers started > using the Heathrow ULTra PRT system. In the weeks that followed, operating > hours were increased, with the system operating a (22 hour) full service > from May 7. As of August 21, approximately 63,000 passenger trips had been > completed. The system currently carries about 800 passengers per day, and > Airport owner/operator BAA has withdrawn the bus service from this car park, > ensuring all passengers travel to and from T5 by the ULTra system. The five > minute ride has been described as "futuristic", "rapid" and "a transport > revelation." > > Twitter and Youtube: > * "I love these things. Best airport transfer devices ever" > * "Awesome sci-fi system" > * "Landed and used the very cool #heathrowpod . and they're even better to > use - quicker, easier and greener than the buses to/from the car park" > * "I am in a pod. A bit like the cab on Total Recall without the mad driver! > ... FAST though! ... Almost like a real life scalextric ;-)" > * "Geek transportation par excellence!" > * "Soooo cool!! Addicting!!" > * "Fantastic. Epochal. Could not be more excited. First rate. Staff could > not have been friendlier." > * 30-second essence: http://youtu.be/iAkqNULN9eY > * Full five-minute ride: http://youtu.be/yU972ULVTeU > > [ Globe and Mail: http://tinyurl.com/3egrzfw ] > [ NY Times: http://tinyurl.com/3enctby ] > > 3. Amritsar out to bid. North India tourist center > > ULTra PRT and partner ULTra Fairwood undertook detailed planning of > Amritsar's bustling, crowded Golden Temple tourist center in North India. > The partnership submitted an unsolicited proposal for a two-mile, > seven-station system. In response, the Punjab Infrastructure Development > Board (PIDB) has specified a Public Private Partnership (PPP) via a Design, > Build, Finance, Operate, and Maintain (DBFOM) concession. > > Amitsar Heritage City system alignment: [ LINK: > http://www.fairwoodindia.com/personal-rapid-transport-system ] > > The Hindu Business Line explains innovative PPP "Swiss Challenge" > procurement: [ Article: http://tinyurl.com/44mw5fb ] > > 4. Raleigh North Hills PRT > > Kane Realty Corporation and ULTra PRT announced the start of a feasibility > study to bring PRT to North Hills at Raleigh, North Carolina. Developer John > Kane was a recent Heathrow ULTra passenger: "I think it's a game changer. > It's really fun. More people will want to live here, play here, and stay > here, with a safe and easy way to move around. We can enhance current > transit." North Hills is one of the finest examples of pushing the envelope > on successful smart-growth, high density, and mixed-use. Included coverage: > News 14 TV, News Observer. Triangle Biz Journal, Midtown Magazine, brochure, > and fact sheet. [ LINK: > http://www.ultraprt.com/applications/proposed-systems/raleigh-midtown/ ] > > 5. PRT speakers featured at three upcoming conferences > > * Podcar City, Stockholm, Sept 6-8: > [ http://podcarcity.org/stockholm/ ] > * Los Angeles Transportation NEXT, Sept 6: > [ http://mobility21.com/overview/ ] > * Master class: People Movers in urban development, London, Sept 9: > [http://www.transportxtra.com/events_and_services/events/?id=2138 ] > > 6. Scholarly ULTra PRT papers > > "ULTra PRT makes ongoing contributions to the peer-reviewed literature on > topics encompassing control system design (empty vehicle management, station > vehicle throughput optimization, etc), passenger response, planning, airport > design, station interface, ridesharing, new mobility, and multimodal travel > demand forecasting." [ PAPERS: http://www.ultraprt.com/media/papers/ ] > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From steve_raney at cities21.org Tue Aug 30 02:04:50 2011 From: steve_raney at cities21.org (Steve Raney) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 10:04:50 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: personal rapid transit (PRT) news References: <00be01cc6381$97e72260$c7b56720$@cities21.org> <4E590DC4.3040408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901cc666d$c4420070$4cc60150$@cities21.org> Carlos, Consider brainstorming worst case outcomes for PRT and for other automated technologies such as Google robocars. Imagining and describing worst case outcomes can help prevent unintended negative consequences. For example, I came across an "unintended consequences" brainstorm about Google robocars from someone: "rich tech workers have a wifi-enabled robocar with a desk inside the vehicle that serves as a productive mobile office, so they live in vacation spots (Tahoe) and commute three hours at 90 mph to Google Silicon Valley while working the whole way. Net energy use by rich commuters goes up and social stratification increases." As far as new PRT city designs. So far, what we've seen is efficiency-improving, pedestrianization-increasing architectural innovations: http://www.ultraprt.net/cms/index.php?page=architecture-innovations , http://www.ultraprt.net/cms/index.php?page=cantilever , pedestrian mall PRT: http://www.ultraprt.net/cms/index.php?page=culvert-cut-cover-w-glass , http://www.ultraprt.net/cms/index.php?page=stations-inside-buildings . For PRT as a last mile solution, the outcome envisioned is pretty benign, in that the last mile problem is something that the planning community has been attempting to solve for years, in order to increase utilization of commute alternatives. See Calthorpe's arguments to that effect: http://www.ultraprt.net/cms/index.php?page=rave-reviews . The last mile problem is a TODAY problem. ?To me, last mile solutions can help bring about a suburban green transformation: Title: Efficient Edge Cities of the Future ABSTRACT: A "story-format" roadmap is provided to reduce edge city per-capita energy consumption by 50%. The roadmap provides an integrated vision combining: multimodal transit, ridesharing, demand management, land use, market forces, policy, technology, and paradigm re-thinking. Changing away from an auto-centered, petroleum-based lifestyle represents a lifestyle change, but not a sacrifice. Web and GPS cell phones help create a "comprehensive new mobility" system to make green transportation seamless and hassle-free. "Paid smart parking" reduces solo commuting by 25%. "Low Miles residential communities" foster green culture, where residents help each other to reduce carbon dioxide. This green culture is created using the same powerful sociological marketing principles that drive consumer society. Housing preference policies are used to select new residents who will travel less and use green transportation. Two-car families sell one car. As the real-estate gradually changes, asphalt-dominated superblocks are transformed into walkable, New Urbanist locales. Walking, biking, electric scooters, and Personal Rapid Transit enable more than 50% of trips (commute, errands, recreation, etc.) to be made without driving alone. Each of the nation's 200 35,000-employee edge cities can be transformed into huge transit villages of two square miles or more. Through this simple step-by-step plan, you'll save money, shed pounds, meet neighbors, hang out in more lively places, and pay lower taxes. Housing affordability, diversity, and un-housed-ness are grappled with. Full paper: http://www.cities21.org/TRB_Efficient_Edge_Cities_4.pdf ? - Steve (Silicon Valley, California) -----Original Message----- From: Carlosfelipe Pardo [mailto:carlosfpardo@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:31 AM To: Steve Raney Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: Re: [sustran] personal rapid transit (PRT) news The same quote of Sir Peter Hall would have been perfect for the car in the beginning of the twentieth century. Thanks for sending it! In the case of PRT, I am curious (maybe scared) to know what it is we can't yet see... ...shouldn't we solve Today before thinking about Tomorrow? I think there's lots to be done, and Asimov-style thinking hasn't been particularly accurate nor useful in the long run. Carlos. From edelman at greenidea.eu Wed Aug 31 21:49:07 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 14:49:07 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Indian Railways trials Wi-Fi technology in New Delhi trains Message-ID: <4E5E2DC3.4030708@greenidea.eu> http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news128620.html. This does not make clear if the trains will also have electricity for computers. This seems like a relatively cheap way to carrot people out of their cars, yes? Or just more services for the elites? By the way this is equal to or better than what is offered on Deutsche Bahn ICE (hi-speed) trains. *** Indian Railways trials Wi-Fi technology in New Delhi trains http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news128620.html Indian Railways is planning to roll out the country's first Wi-Fi-enabled train by December, which will run on the New Delhi-Howrah Rajdhani Express line. The Wi-Fi facility will be available initially in three rakes of the train and is planned to be extended to other trains depending on the success of the project. A Rs63m ($1.3m) pilot rail project will include the cost of satellite link-up and the equipment access system. Passengers can make requests to use the service and the access password can be provided through SMS to travelers' mobile phones. The railways plan to equip other Rajdhani and Shatabdi trains with the Wi-Fi facility in the future, according to telegraphindia.com. -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory / SLOWFactory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman http://twitter.com/toddedelman http://de.linkedin.com/in/toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany