[sustran] Re: Fw: Re: Plan B for sustainable mobility in cities

[krishna gopal]

Though the intent is very good, wherein the Plan B will generate the
expected buy-in ( political and public) from the so called identified
friendly city. It may sound pessimistic, but if we look at in other sense,
making the local self governments where the democratic process and pressure
can be brought on to act only by sustained effort to educate the policy
makers( political and executive) through lobbying by the active public
groups may work out in the long run. It may take some time, but to educate
the general public to understand the scale of this issues( of finances and
long term environmental sustainability of these projects) sounds a better
way

But, I agree in totality the need for a PLAN A or B, immediately so that a
change can be brought about to break the thinking of statu-quoists.

Regards

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:41 PM, AD <banmt at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry but I don't fully understand how the plan B works (through whom or
> organization and how) to stop what the government already aimed for? Maybe
> someone here can please instruct how to start ...
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> From: Kanthi Kannan <kanthikannan at gmail.com>
> To: Joachim Bergerhoff <agimjo at gmail.com>; eric britton
> <eric.britton at ecoplan.org>; sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
> Sent: Tue, September 28, 2010 8:21:32 PM
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Plan B for sustainable mobility in cities
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> Dear Joachim, Eric and others
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> Greetings!!
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> Let us as Eric has described the Plan B, try and work towards getting a
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> involved. I am ready to be part of the team (Not that I know much:-))
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> Others please share your thoughts and let us get a team in place and help
> come out with a concrete Plan B.
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> Eric and Joachim please take the lead and advise us and let us know how
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> Remember that once we leave this chance it will be toooooooooooooooooo late
> as Sujit has been pointing out time and again
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> From: Joachim Bergerhoff [mailto:agimjo at gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 September 2010 18:13
> To: eric britton; Kanthi Kannan
> Subject: Re:  Plan B for sustainable mobility in cities
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> Eric, Kanthi,
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> ISOCARP has a formula for such interventions, I guess, when it comes to
> assembling a team and sending it to a place for a quick and efficient first
> or second look at an urban planning problem:
> http://www.isocarp.org/index.php?id=99
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> Which organisation, do you think, could host the transport plan B team ?
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> On 28 September 2010 14:28, eric britton <eric.britton at ecoplan.org> wrote:
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> The Plan B approach, as I understand, it does not in its early stages at
> least differentiate between the various categories or delivery systems of
> transport.
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> The first step is to ask the Plan A team -  whether for rail, roads, some
> favored technology  or other - to share with us opening their specific
> objectives and priorities, including the all important time vector, for the
> project they have in mind.  Overall investments in all stages of the
> project, year by year budgets, and their specific performance, service,
> environmental, financial or other requirements and impacts. (This is very
> rough as sketched out here but we can develop of course.)
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> The Plan B team then looks at this and in cooperation with local partners
> and collaborators, including the media, comes up with a series of
> alternative proposals (in sum, ways of getter spending that couple of
> billion dollars and getting earlier and broader impacts). So if for example
> the Hanoi budget is one billion Euros for 13 kms of line, we will examine
> their targets, time lines, etc., and come up with something that gives a
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> better value for  that money. (Should not be hard to do).
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> Now this can be done for road, bridge or technology as well as mega-transit
> and perhaps misguided investment projects (if for politicians sexy, and for
> suppliers simply delicious). Moreover, our Plan B will surely have a
> significant interface with the existing road and parking infrastructure,
> both of which are of course parts of the necessary solution.
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> All we need is to find some creative personality working with these major
> international funding sources who is willing to entertain and support such
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> test run. There are a lot of candidates, and I would also like to say that
> it will be important that the host city sees us as friends and allies for a
> better and fairer city, and not someone who wishes to rip their shiny toys
> out of the clenching hands.
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> Does this advance this at all?
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