[sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

[Rhys Thom]

I just want to let everyone know that this interesting and lively discussion
has inspired one of TheCityFix.com bloggers to write this very informative
post - 

http://thecityfix.com/zebras-puffins-pelicans-or-hawks-for-pedestrians/

Best,
Rhys Thom

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On 7/14/10 12:00 AM, "Kanthi Kannan" <kanthikannan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sonal
> 
> Greetings!!
> 
> Thanks for the info. Can you send me the contact details of the companies
> that make Pelican Crossings?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards
> 
> Kanthi
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds)
> Sent: 14 July 2010 07:23
> To: Cornie Huizenga; Paul Barter
> Cc: sustran-discuss
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!
> 
> We have done some extensive tests with Pelican crossing with ped
> Detection in Delhi and are ongoing setup of a few crossing in Delhi. We
> did not propose puffin with on crossing detectors due to stop line
> enforcement issues and went for traditional pelicans. So far the results
> have been very promising. One has to be careful on the infrastructure is
> designed. In Delhi the roads are quite wide so intergreens can be large.
> 
> 
> So far these mid block crossings seem to operate without any probelms
> 
> If you need more information please do not hesitate to ask.
> 
> with warm regards
> 
> Sonal Ahuja
> 
> Director International Development,
> Technology Transport and Infrastructure
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sonal.ahuja=capita.co.uk at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sonal.ahuja=capita.co.uk at list.jca.apc.or
> g] On Behalf Of Cornie Huizenga
> Sent: 14 July 2010 02:47
> To: Paul Barter
> Cc: sustran-discuss
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I very much like the part in the Zebra definition: "drivers must give
> way to
> pedestrians who
>   demonstrate intent to cross".  I am afraid that this part has not been
> read by 99.9% of the drivers in Asia.
> 
> Having lived now in Asia for almost 15 years it is always a surprise
> when I
> go back to Europe and see cars stop when I am on the side of the road
> near a
> zebra crossing.
> 
> Here in Asia I would put more trust in a pedestrian traffic light than
> in a
> zebra crossing.
> 
> Cornie
> 
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Paul Barter <peebeebarter at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> A few words on terminology.
>> 
>> This is a useful debate on pedestrian facilities (and when or whether
> they
>> help).
>> 
>> But 'pelican crossing' and 'puffin crossing' are not familiar terms in
> most
>> places outside Britain. [I for one didn't understand them until
> looking
>> them
>> up just now.]
>> 
>> So here are some wikipedia definitions (which may be wrong?):
>> 
>> "In the United Kingdom and parts of the
>> Commonwealth<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth>,
>> animal names are often used to distinguish several types of such
> crossings:
>> 
>>   - Zebra crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_crossing>: wide
>>   longitudinal stripes on road, often with belisha
>> beacons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisha_beacon>;
>>   pedestrians may cross at any time; drivers must give way to
> pedestrians
>> who
>>   demonstrate intent to cross.
>>   - Pelican crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_crossing>:
>> traffic
>>   lights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light> for pedestrians
> and
>>   vehicles; button-operated.
>>   - Puffin crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffin_crossing>:
>>   pedestrian lights on near side of road; button-operated with
> curb-side
>>   detector.
>>   - Toucan crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toucan_crossing>:
> for
>>   bicycles <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle> as well as
> pedestrians."
>> 
>> 
>> As an Australian (in Singapore) I would use 'pedestrian activated
> traffic
>> lights' (or in casual conversation just 'pedestrian lights') for both
>> pelican and puffin crossings. The animal terms are obviously shorter.
> But
>> only useful if we all understand them. 'Zebra' seems common everywhere
> but
>> not the others.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Paul
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