[sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

[Kanthi Kannan]

Dear Dibu, Ian and others

Thanks so much for the mails that you have sent with all the dangers. I now
understand that R2W has to think of a much simpler solution and then check
for the costs of that. 

Thanks Once Again

Regards

Kanthi



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From: sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Dibu Sengupta
Sent: 13 July 2010 05:37
To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
Subject: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

Kanthi,

I agree with what Ian has to say. Installation of a pelican crossing in a
city like Hyderabad or any Indian city where traffic and pedestrian
behaviour is erratic and without much enforcement, would be nothing short of
disaster.

Other systems that including a traditional mid-block pedestrian crossing,
HAWK signals (that have been in use in the US) and other signal systems
would also not amount to much. All of these systems would need maintenance
expenditure, power back-up, utility relocation and setup that could be
better used on separate pedestrian/walkable solutions.




On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Ian Perry
<ianenvironmental at googlemail.com>wrote:

> >
> > Hi,
> >>
> >> Taking a European viewpoint, pelican crossings are being replaced by
> >> puffin crossings, advantages include them sensing the presence of
> >> pedestrians, and having the pedestrian lights closer (to help those
with
> >> poorer vision) and at an angle that enables people to watch both the
> light
> >> and approaching traffic.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, more progressive cities are replacing pelican crossings with
> >> zebra crossings - or shared space.
> >>
> >> The cost of a puffin or pelican crossing is about £40,000 (US$70,000) -
> >> money that could be spent on many better things?
> >>
> >> Even in Europe, most pedestrians cross before the lights change for
> them,
> >> and many motorists ignore or miss red lights - resulting in deaths.
> >>
> >> Zebra crossings are much cheaper - and money saved can be spent on
> >> "educating" people (motorists) and bicycle infrastructure! Please don't
> >> follow our mistakes...
> >>
> >
> >
> >> Ian
> >>
> >>
> >
>
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2215_pelican_crossing_death_was_a_tragic_
accident
> >
> > <
>
http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2215_pelican_crossing_death_was_a_tragic_
accident
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/3247116/Pedestrian-death-fig
ures-prompt-call-for-more-zebra-crossing-points.html
> >
> >
> >
> > <
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/3247116/Pedestrian-death-fig
ures-prompt-call-for-more-zebra-crossing-points.html
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282236/Trainee-barrister-23-killed-
pedestrian-crossing-saves-EIGHT-lives-donor-just-weeks-earlier.html
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In sustran-discuss at yahoogroups.com, "Kanthi Kannan" <kanthikannan@
> ...>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Ashok and Sudhir
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks but can we get the details so that we can start a discussion
> >> amongst
> >> > the people in the area and also involve politicians and officials.
> >> Presently
> >> > we do not have a clue about the costs and installation procedure.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The traffic in Hyd is becoming bad to worse by the day and accidents
> are
> >> on
> >> > the raise. People have stopped walking because walking has becoming
> >> > Hazardous
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kanthi
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >   _____
> >> >
> >> > From: Sudhir [mailto:sudhir at ...]
> >> > Sent: 12 July 2010 15:25
> >> > To: Ashok Sreenivas
> >> > Cc: Kanthi Kannan; Sustran-discuss at ...
> >> > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Kanthi,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I agree with Ashok.  It has been failure @ may places as nobody
> >> acknowledges
> >> > it . Also add traffic calming with such elements..
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> >
> >> > Sudhir
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>  >> > On 12 July 2010 17:50, Ashok Sreenivas <ashok.sreenivas at ...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Kanthi,
> >> >
> >> > A word of caution based on our experience. Installing pelican
> crossings
> >> by
> >> > themselves don't do much to increase pedestrian safety since most
> >> motorists
> >> > and pedestrians don't know how to use it - i.e. pedestrians don't
know
> >> how
> >> > to operate it, and on the rare occasions they do, the resultant red
is
> >> > completely ignored by most motorists who are just not used to such
> >> > "non-intersection" signals. So, my suggestion would be to introduce
> >> pelican
> >> > signals along with other elements such as signages, awareness
building
> >> among
> >> > motorists and pedestrians, some amount of enforcement or using
> temporary
> >> > traffic wardens for a month or so, and maybe even a concurrent
> >> pedestrian
> >> > safety campaign in the vicinity of the pelican signals.
> >> >
> >> > Ashok
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 12/07/2010 3:02 PM, Kanthi Kannan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear all
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Greetings!!
> >> >
> >> > We are trying to get permissions to Install Pelican Crossings. Any
one
> >> who
> >> > has contacts with vendors? Or knows whom to contact to get the
details
> >> of
> >> > cost etc?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Kanthi
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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