[sustran] Re: [carfree_network] RE: Re: RE: Pollution in Paris... from Bicycles

[Jeroen Verhoeven]

Hi,

I think Ian raised an important question, wheter or not the Paris cyclo 
initiative went to together with a decrease of the number of car 
traffic.Does anybody has data on that?

Of course it is nice to have many more people cycling, but as Ian 
mentioned that DOES NOT necessarily means that there are less cars.

In Brussels we see that politicians tend to become more willing to 
invest in cycle infrastructure, but they do not dare to install measures 
focussed to decrease the car traffic, while it is clear that there is no 
way around it, you can do everything you want to promote cycling, but 
there will be no real decrease in car traffic unless there are measures 
specifically designed to decrease car traffic.

Of course the outcome of an evaluation of an initiative such as the 
cyclo initiatives in Paris depends on what you expect it to do, 
increasing cycling or decreasing car traffic.

Cheers,

Jeroen


Pascal van den Noort wrote:
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> Hi Todd,
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> You will realize that I disagree with all the ideological stuff you 
> wrote. I am happy that you agree with my energy saving analyses.
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> I am curious about possible other possible positions.
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> In the meantime I give you this Velo Mondial initiative:
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> Amsterdam never used cycling and cycling planning as a means of 
> cleaning the air in the city. European measures now oblige Amsterdam 
> to act. With the introduction of a 'Main Network for Emission Free 
> Traffic' 
> <http://velomondial.blogspot.com/2007/10/main-network-emission-free-traffic.html> 
> , modes of transport that do not emit, like electric cars, bike taxis, 
> Segways, roller skates, skeelers and bicycles, will get an improved 
> and much wider space (8 meters) to move fast in the city. As a 
> consequence car lanes will have to be taken out to allow for emission 
> free lanes to be built....... Provided the City Council accepts these 
> plans.
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> Read more: 
> http://velomondial.blogspot.com/2007/10/main-network-emission-free-traffic.html 
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> Pascal J.W. van den Noort
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> Executive Director Velo Mondial
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> Velo Mondial's Blog 
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory [mailto:edelman at greenidea.info]
> Verzonden: zondag 7 oktober 2007 23:26
> Aan: Pascal van den Noort
> CC: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'; 'Vojtech Toman'; 
> petr.stepanek at cityofprague.cz; 'SFBIKE List List'; 'WCN list'; 'Michal 
> Krivohlavek, Auto*Mat'; 'martin Marecek'; 'craig baldwin'; 'Ondrej 
> Velek'; office at ecf.com
> Onderwerp: [carfree_network] Re: RE: Pollution in Paris... from Bicycles
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> Hi Pascal,
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> I suppose I agree with you about the energy issue. I agree with you that
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> the cycling part of this programme is amazing.
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> But if a programme like this is so important to a city why do deals have
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> to made that create other types of pollution, which cannot be balanced
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> against the energy reduction in transport? What about the content of the
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> billboards themselves?
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> I hope that every true colour in our rainbow of sustainability remembers
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> what solidarity means.
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> I hope that you also understand how closely tied together is mass
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> advertising and mass automobilisation.... cars are a big part of this
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> image war. BMW sponsoring VeloCity in Munich... four car companies
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> sponsoring the biggest consortium of Central, Eastern and Southeastern
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> European environmental foundations (one intermediary away from World
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> Carfree Network)... Shell, pushing oil for personal cars all over the
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> world while it supports BRT projects in a only couple of cities... and
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> JCDecaux's support of cycling in a few European cities, but working
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> against this in others
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> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/edelman/sets/72157602171242536> ... these
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> are all pacifiers that all-too-easily find willing mouths in which it
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> seems the teeth are hiding.
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> No deals, says this criticaster.
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> - T
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> Pascal van den Noort wrote:
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> > This mass outing in Paris attacking the billboards on Friday night is
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> > naïve.
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> > The way Parisians massively take up cycling, thanks to the Billboard
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> > Company and the Paris City Authorities, saving dramatic kilowatts of
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> > electricity and cleaning the air in Paris, outways the use of
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> > electricity in the billboard big time.
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> > It is amazing that overnight a whole city can take up cycling, more
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> > than any criticaster has achieved; in two months over 5,5 million
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> > times these bicycles were used.
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> > I think this populist campaign is unwarranted. It would be naïve if we
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> > would condone this not very bright action.
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> > The car free movement as well as the pro environment movement should
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> > say NO to these silly initiatives of these Parisian protesters.
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> > Pascal J.W. van den Noort
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> > Velo Mondial
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> > http://velomondial.blogspot.com <http://velomondial.blogspot.com/>
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