[sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car

[Daryl Oster]

You guys must realize that you are fighting a losing battle and change your
tactics!  The motorcycle, car, and jet have already beaten the bike, bus,
and train in transportation value (just as the bike, train beat the value of
walking, horses, and ox carts for most travel 100 years ago in the US).  

The ONLY way to beat the car is by implementing a transportation mode that
offers a quantum improvement in VALUE for most people.  The relative value
of a transportation mode is the total benefits divided by the total costs.
Value is pest compared on a relative monetary amount per passenger unit of
distance traveled (e.g. cents per passenger mile).  

Trains were optimized for hauling massive non-perishable loads at slow speed
between two fixed points (like from a mine to a port).  Even though trains
cannot be effectively loaded with people (people don’t tolerate being
stacked up to the top of the train car as well as a load of coal); trains
still offered better value for passenger travel between cities than horse
powered coach did, and soon captured more than 90% of passenger and cargo
travel between major cities.   

Now trains accommodate less than 1% of the passenger travel between American
cities.  In developed countries, cars and jets have displaced passenger
trains to just a few niche markets where they continue to provide value
advantage (such as subways in ultra dense cities); or in markets where most
of the extreme infrastructure cost of passenger trains are subsidized by a
corrupt government/rail industry "partnership" at the expense of tax payers
most of whom cannot benefit.  

Daryl Oster
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> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> Sujit Patwardhan
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:51 AM
> To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car
> 
> 10 July 2007
> 
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> 
> I don't think our democratic constitution will permit such a ban, which
> can be prevented on grounds of unjustified discrimination (unless lack of
> safety is cited as the reason and can be proved to be true) but the idea
> for automobile restriction will hopefully become possible to sell at least
> in some form, to our policy makers who are selectively ignorant to the
> consequences of auto domination.
> 
> It may become possible to force them to admit that auto-mania needs to be
> countered in the interest of the majority of population which is the
> sufferer.  And as Walter rightly points out there are other options - we
> could start by charging heavy levies on fuel guzzlers and high polluting
> vehicles, as well as tightening parking controls (something totally
> contradictory to present policy of searching for parking spaces even under
> ones bed!!
> :-)
> --
> Sujit Patwardhan
> Parisar/PTTF
> Pune, India
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> On 7/10/07, Walter Hook <whook at itdp.org > wrote:
> 
> 	The spirit is good, but the means seems very wrong headed to me.
> What is the legal precedent?  That governments should be allowed to ban
> certain categories of vehicles from city streets if the price of the
> vehicle is too low?  This is outrageous.  A 1 lak car consumes no more
> road space than a car costing much more.
> 
> 
> 
> 	I would encourage the MMRDA to look into traffic cells, congestion
> charging and market-oriented parking charges as more rational policies for
> allocating scarce public road space in Mumbai.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Walter
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> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf
> Of Alan Howes
> 	Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:25 PM
> 	To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> 	Subject: [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh
> car
> 
> 
> 
> 	But leaving aside the questions of political acceptability, how
> could Chandrashekhar ban the 1 lakh car in Greater Mumbai when the rest of
> India accepts it?
> 
> 
> 
> 	But I agree with his analysis.
> 
> 
> 
> 	Alan
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> 
> 
> 	--
> 	Alan Howes, Perthshire, Scotland
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> 		----- Original Message -----
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> 		From: Anupam Gupta, CLSA <mailto:anupam.gupta at clsa.com>
> 
> 		To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
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> 		Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:37 AM
> 
> 		Subject: [sustran] MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1
> lakh car
> 
> 
> 
> 		MMRDA is the regional planning authority for Mumbai. It
> reports to the Chief Minister. MMRDA Chief, Dr. T. Chandrashekhar, has an
> impressive track record of work in Thane. In Mumbai, he's been caught
> between the politicians and the BMC. To give him credit, there's a lot of
> work he's had done on the roads. However - and see below - this is the
> first time he's taking such a strong stance. The battle between free
> enterprise and urban planning? I'm on the MMRDA chief's side on this one.
> I just hope this posturing doesn't ruin his career, because ultimately its
> the politicians who are in charge. Somehow I just can't see this
> litigation stand in court. Would love your thoughts.
> 
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> 		http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645
> <http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645>
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> 		MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car
> 
> 		MUMBAI: When the Tatas launch their Rs1 lakh car some time
> next year, they could face a roadblock in Mumbai. T Chandrashekhar, who
> heads the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the
> agency entrusted with the task of implementing the city's multi-crore
> infrastructure projects, says that he would be the first to file a public
> interest litigation (PIL) to stop the car's rollout in the city.
> 
> 		Chandrashekhar believes that the city will never taste the
> fruits of its infrastructure investments unless it rations the use of road
> space and private vehicles. "The Tata car cannot be permitted (into the
> city) as it would choke up Mumbai. The low cost would mean that all those
> who can afford bikes will jump into the car segment. Then, no road space
> will be enough to hold the sea of vehicles. The city will be doomed," he
> warns.
> 
> 		As metropolitan commissioner, Chandrashekhar is in charge of
> redeveloping 150 km of roads in Mumbai, which includes both the Eastern
> and Western Express Highways and the new east-west connecting roads – the
> Jogeshwari-Vikhroli Link Road (JVLR) and the Santa Cruz-Chembur Link Road
> (SCLR). He wants the state government to initiate strict vehicle
> rationing.
> 
> 		"Today, people are buying vehicles like they purchase
> chocolates. Only those citizens who have parking space must be allowed to
> buy cars. There should be a fixed quota of new vehicles sold in Mumbai.
> And like London and Paris, the city must levy a congestion tax to de-clog
> the roads," he adds. The MMRDA chief cautioned that in the next five
> years, all the roads and flyovers will be inadequate if vehicular growth
> is not controlled.
> 
> 		That apart, Chandrashekhar also wants to control the influx
of
> job-seekers in Mumbai. He wants the city to introduce a work permit regime
> in Mumbai. "Only those having a work permit and a valid house must be
> provided basic amenities like ration card, telephone connection and power
> supply," he said.
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> 		Regards,
> 
> 		Anupam Gupta
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