From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Thu Jun 1 09:41:09 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 19:41:09 -0500 Subject: [sustran] RV: Jaime Lerner talk Message-ID: <200606010041.k510fia0022422@omr5.networksolutionsemail.com> Dear all, I followed up on the Jaime Lerner talk that was mentioned some days ago, and I received the link to the presentation: http://www.greatvalley.org/conference/keynotes.aspx Carlos F. Pardo _____ De: Angelina Ceja [mailto:Angelina@GreatValley.org] Enviado el: Mi?rcoles, 31 de Mayo de 2006 03:20 p.m. Para: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Asunto: FW: Jaime Lerner talk Mr. Pardo, The presentation is now available online please visit http://www.greatvalley.org/conference/keynotes.aspx It will be right below his bio. Thank you, Angelina Ceja -----Original Message----- From: Heidi Arno Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:25 AM To: Angelina Ceja Subject: FW: Jaime Lerner talk FYI Heidi Arno heidi@greatvalley.org 209-522-5103 -----Original Message----- From: Carlos F. Pardo SUTP [mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:21 AM To: Infovalley Cc: 'Sunny' Subject: Jaime Lerner talk Dear Great Valley, We received some brief notes on the Jaime Lerner conference two weeks ago from a colleague, and would like to know if you will post his talk or the slides he gave at some point in your website. We would greatly appreciate if you would forward this information to us or post it in your website. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TRL Limited reserves the right to monitor emails in accordance with the Telecommunications Lawful Business Practice - Interception of Communications Regulations 2000. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060606/931215df/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.info Fri Jun 9 16:32:46 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:32:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] BBC programme "Urban Planet" / Your photos of urban growth Message-ID: <2091.62.245.95.24.1149838366.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Hi, Sorry for some duplication, but check out the following (I think the "special season" they refer to is called "Urban Planet"... has anyone been contacted for interviews, etc? - T ---- YOUR PICTURES OF URBAN GROWTH China is growing at breakneck speed Humans are about to become a primarily urban species. Sometime in the next couple of years there will be more people living in cities than in rural areas. The pace of change over the last 50 years has swallowed up large tracts of countryside and transformed towns into cities, cities into megacities. The BBC is running a special season of features, quizzes, picture galleries and statistical guides starting next week and we would like your help. Have you any pictures showing the old and the new? We're interested in images that show the 'before and after' of urbanisation. Have you photographs of rural areas before the arrival of concrete? Send them to yourpics@bbc.co.uk http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/5056158.stm ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman International Coordinator On the Train Towards the Future! Green Idea Factory Laubova 5 CZ-13000 Praha 3 ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Jun 12 18:28:30 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.Britton) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:28:30 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? Message-ID: <017e01c68e02$9301df10$6401a8c0@Home> Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we so desperately off target? Doing so poorly in the States? (And everywhere else in the world where our examples and perspectives spill over) "Critical Issues in Transportation", Transportation Research Board, Washington D.C., 2006. o Click here for report (PDF) - http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/general/CriticalIssues06.pdf This just-out report of the US Transportation Research Board prepared by some of the most brilliant thinkers and practitioners in the United States under the title "Critical Issues in Transportation" found its way here over the weekend. Hmm. I have been looking at policy and practice in our sector for quite some time, and try hard to follow the main lines of developments and thinking to the extent possible around the world. Which means I read quite a lot. But through it all I continue to be puzzled as to why in the States in particular we seem to be so far off target when it comes to transport in cities with the generally pretty grotesque results that we have, whether from the vantage of social equity, economics or sheer systemic (in-)efficiency. As I read through this report and its selected target areas and recommendations, it suddenly become very clear to me what the basic problem is. What we have here are the collected group thoughts of a selection of America's leading 'transportation experts', strong as anyone in the world in engineering and construction in all the basic modal areas to which they give attention- but have a closer look. There is not a single meaningful point made about what brings all of us here together: the fundamentals of how people get around and access what they need in cities. Which means to me that this piece, useful as it surely is in its overall domain, has all of the relevance to us as a book of recipes explaining how we prepare deep fried foods in Mississippi. Worse. Since it carries with it a title and a whole series of implications that this is the way you should "do" transportation - implicitly by title anywhere, cities included - it creates and reinforces the basic mindset that is 100% central to the problems we are facing and trying to resolve in cities today. In summary: build your way out of the problems. Dig your way out of the hole. Is this characterization altogether incorrect? Unfair? Useless as an observation? I guess that is why we try to call it "New Mobility" and not "transportation". We are trying to draw a clear line between these two markedly different worlds of policy and practice. Otherwise . . . Eric Britton . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060612/88bd7317/attachment.html From zvi.leve at gmail.com Mon Jun 12 22:35:45 2006 From: zvi.leve at gmail.com (Zvi Leve) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:35:45 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? Message-ID: Eric.Britton wrote: There is not a single meaningful point made about what brings all of us here together: the fundamentals of how people get around and access what they need in cities. ... This reminds me of the TRB exhibition hall where every year I meet the same two representatives of certain US federal agencies, one representing the "road safety" point of view, and another from the "pedestrian safety" point of view. There they are, seated side by side, both passionately discussing safety issues, yet the idea that pedestrian and road safety might be intertwined is never addressed. They literally have parallel literature: intersection safety - safety devices for vehicle turning movements (ie various protected lanes and smart signals), and smart markings for pedestrian crossings (which never show any cars around).... Is this characterization altogether incorrect? Unfair? Useless as an observation? Unfortunately, abstracting everything into it's component parts and then improving the "efficiency of the system" is much easier than dealing with messy reality where things don't exactly follow predictable relationships and correspond to our expectations. I guess that is why we try to call it "New Mobility" and not "transportation ". We are trying to draw a clear line between these two markedly different worlds of policy and practice. Otherwise . . . And this is why I think that transportation issues cannot be seperated from land-use/urban form. There is no point in talking about "new mobility" if we don't address the reasons why people need to get around in the first place! There does seem to be a bit of movement in this direction (ie recognition of the importance of the transportation-land use connection and trying to "deal" with this within models) within the transportation community of late. Best regards, Zvi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060612/9e04927b/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Jun 13 04:58:13 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.Britton) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:58:13 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? Message-ID: <008601c68e5a$8a6d2f50$6401a8c0@Home> -----Original Message----- From: John Whitelegg [mailto:John.Whitelegg@phonecoop.coop] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:42 PM To: Eric.Britton; WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Cc: John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org Subject: Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? Eric, Your comments are "spot on" but the situation is even worse. When i worked in China last year the Chinese experts constantly looked to the US for guidance. It slowly dawned on me that this was quite simple. All the English speaking (very) senior transport experts, engineers and politicians were educated at US graduate school and they buy into this. That is why Beijing will have 10 ring roads (up from 5) in the next few years plus ca change John ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric.Britton To: WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com ; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Cc: 'John.Whitelegg' ; John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:55 AM Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we so desperately off target? Doing so poorly in the States? (And everywhere else in the world where our examples and perspectives spill over) "Critical Issues in Transportation", Transportation Research Board, Washington D.C., 2006. www.trb.org (report attached) This much ballyhooed report of the US Transportation Research Board prepared by some of the most brilliant thinkers and practitioners in the United States under the title "Critical Issues in Transportation" just slipped under the door here. Hmm. I have been looking at policy and practice in our sector for quite some time, and try hard to follow the main lines of developments and thinking to the extent possible around the world. Which means I read quite a lot. But through it all I continue to be puzzled as to why in the States in particular we seem to be so far off target when it comes to transport in cities with the generally pretty grotesque results that we have, whether from the vantage of social equity, economics or sheer systemic (in-)efficiency. As I read through this report and its selected target areas and recommendations, it suddenly become very clear to me what the basic problem is. What we have here are the collected group thoughts of a selection of America's leading 'transportation experts', strong as anyone in the world in engineering and construction in all the basic modal areas to which they give attention- but have a closer look. There is not a single meaningful point made about what brings all of us here together: the fundamentals of how people get around and access what they need in cities. Which means to me that this piece, useful as it surely is in its overall domain, has all of the relevance to us as a book of recipes explaining how we prepare deep fried foods in Mississippi. Worse. Since it carries with it a title and a whole series of implications that this is the way you should "do" transportation - implicitly by title anywhere, cities included - it creates and reinforces the basic mindset that is 100% central to the problems we are facing and trying to resolve in cities today. In summary: build your way out of the problems. Dig your way out of the hole. Is the altogether incorrect? Unfair? Useless as an observation? I guess that is why we try to call it "New Mobility" and not "transportation". We are trying to draw a clear line between these two markedly different worlds of policy and practice. Otherwise . . . Eric Britton . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060612/d945c06b/attachment.html From et3 at et3.com Tue Jun 13 06:24:18 2006 From: et3 at et3.com (Daryl Oster) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:24:18 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? In-Reply-To: <008601c68e5a$8a6d2f50$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <200606122124.k5CLOLLt010793@njbrsmtp1.vzwmail.net> Eric, BTW, as an experienced farmer who has had the occasion of being in the bottom of a hole with only the shovel that made the hole. This happened to me while cleaning sediment out of deep irrigation structures. I can assure you that it is possible to "dig one's self out of a hole". When doing this, there is a likelihood of burying ones self while making the controlled cave-ins necessary to build a ramp to the surface. It helps to recognize the situation before the hole is too deep. BTW, in most measures we are NOT "doing so poorly", and the improvement in living condition in China IS partially blamed on Americans -- we were very well received wherever we went, and the people would convey many stories on their improved lives -- many of these related to cars and jets, and vastly improved travel. Daryl Oster (c) 2006? all rights reserved.? ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service marks of et3.com Inc.? For licensing information contact:?POB 1423, Crystal River FL 34423-1423? (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of > Eric.Britton > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:58 PM > To: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org > Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Whitelegg [mailto:John.Whitelegg@phonecoop.coop] > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:42 PM > To: Eric.Britton; WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com; > NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com > Cc: John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org > Subject: Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? > > > > Eric, > > > > Your comments are "spot on" but the situation is even worse. When i > worked in China last year the Chinese experts constantly looked to the US > for guidance. It slowly dawned on me that this was quite simple. All the > English speaking (very) senior transport experts, engineers and > politicians were educated at US graduate school and they buy into this. > That is why Beijing will have 10 ring roads (up from 5) in the next few > years > > > > plus ca change > > > > > > John > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Eric.Britton > > To: WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com ; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com > > Cc: 'John.Whitelegg' ; > John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:55 AM > > Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? > > > > Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we so desperately off target? > Doing so poorly in the States? (And everywhere else in the world where > our examples and perspectives spill over) > > > > ?Critical Issues in Transportation?, Transportation Research Board, > Washington D.C., 2006. www.trb.org (report attached) > > > > This much ballyhooed report of the US Transportation Research Board > prepared by some of the most brilliant thinkers and practitioners in the > United States under the title ?Critical Issues in Transportation? just > slipped under the door here. Hmm. > > > > I have been looking at policy and practice in our sector for quite > some time, and try hard to follow the main lines of developments and > thinking to the extent possible around the world. Which means I read quite > a lot. But through it all I continue to be puzzled as to why in the States > in particular we seem to be so far off target when it comes to transport > in cities with the generally pretty grotesque results that we have, > whether from the vantage of social equity, economics or sheer systemic > (in-)efficiency. As I read through this report and its selected target > areas and recommendations, it suddenly become very clear to me what the > basic problem is. > > > > What we have here are the collected group thoughts of a selection of > America?s leading ?transportation experts?, strong as anyone in the world > in engineering and construction in all the basic modal areas to which they > give attention? but have a closer look. There is not a single meaningful > point made about what brings all of us here together: the fundamentals of > how people get around and access what they need in cities. Which means to > me that this piece, useful as it surely is in its overall domain, has all > of the relevance to us as a book of recipes explaining how we prepare deep > fried foods in Mississippi. > > > > Worse. Since it carries with it a title and a whole series of > implications that this is the way you should ?do? transportation ? > implicitly by title anywhere, cities included ? it creates and reinforces > the basic mindset that is 100% central to the problems we are facing and > trying to resolve in cities today. In summary: build your way out of the > problems. Dig your way out of the hole. > > > > Is the altogether incorrect? Unfair? Useless as an observation? > > > > I guess that is why we try to call it ?New Mobility? and not > ?transportation?. We are trying to draw a clear line between these two > markedly different worlds of policy and practice. Otherwise . . . > > > > Eric Britton . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Jun 13 14:56:21 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:56:21 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Road deaths - Zero Tolerance Message-ID: <005101c68eae$1a002a70$6401a8c0@Home> Forwarded message from "John Whitelegg" Hi, This is the webpage for the new BBC season on our "urban planet"... lots and lots of stuff here, including a counter showing how many people live in cities... when I sent this message the count was about: 3,212,400,000 It is really important people write to BBC to tell them what they got right and what they got wrong... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/world/2006/urbanisation/default.stm Todd ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman International Coordinator On the Train Towards the Future! Green Idea Factory Laubova 5 CZ-13000 Praha 3 ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From qnguyen at its.leeds.ac.uk Thu Jun 15 22:55:08 2006 From: qnguyen at its.leeds.ac.uk (Hien Nguyen) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:55:08 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles in the world References: <1665.62.245.95.24.1150310767.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Message-ID: <69EE3953DBB72B4DBD068463129F01B602BE2E@HERMES3.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Dear colleagues, I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite high as well. 1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. 2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle ownership? Thanks very much for your help. Best regards, ----------------- Hien Nguyen ITS, Leeds, UK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3621 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060615/3745e1a6/attachment.bin From sksunny at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 14:27:32 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:27:32 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles in the world In-Reply-To: <69EE3953DBB72B4DBD068463129F01B602BE2E@HERMES3.ds.leeds.ac.uk> References: <1665.62.245.95.24.1150310767.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> <69EE3953DBB72B4DBD068463129F01B602BE2E@HERMES3.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <44924144.8080906@gmail.com> Hi Nguyen, It is really a very interesting topic if you are studying the causes for increased use in motorcycle traffic and the reduction in safety. As far as I know the increase in motorcycles is extreme in the the developing world an there are a plethora of reasons some of them are the reduced efficiency of public transit, the reduced safety for vulnerable groups and the increase in lifestyle of the middle and lower echelons of the society. Motorcycles, being the cheapest private motorised mode, immediately become a favourite for these classes. I known tht Vietnam is notorious for its motorcycle traffic but even Thailand has a quiet number of motorcycles. Have you seen a motorcycle lane on the National Highway? I saw it for the first time in Thailand on my trip from Chiang mai to Bangkok. For more information on two wheelers we at SUTP have published a module as a part of our source book. The module is "Module 4c: Two and Three Wheelers" you can obtain a free copy from our website at http://www.sutp.org Please click on the General resources and it will take you to the source book links. You would also want to refer to some accident databases to notice the increase in motor vehicle numbers and also you can visit the UNESCAP website for Asia-Pacific Road Accident Database at (http://www.unescap.org/ttdw/data/aprad.aspx). It would also be very nice of you if you could discuss your results on Sustrans forum after the completion of your study. Best Regards, Sunny Hien Nguyen wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite high as well. > > 1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. > > 2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle ownership? > > Thanks very much for your help. > > Best regards, > > ----------------- > > Hien Nguyen > > ITS, Leeds, UK > From sutp at sutp.org Fri Jun 16 14:45:30 2006 From: sutp at sutp.org (sutp) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:45:30 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles in the world In-Reply-To: <69EE3953DBB72B4DBD068463129F01B602BE2E@HERMES3.ds.leeds.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200606160545.k5G5jQR5007532@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> Dear Hien, GTZ has published a sourcebook regarding sustainable transport. One module, called Two- and Three-Wheelers, particularly focuses on motorcycle and three-wheel motorized vehicle usage in Asian countries. The module as well as the entire sourcebook can be accessible on the website www.sutp.org. Then, click on General resources, which will lead you to the download area. Please take a few seconds to register to the site. Best Regards, Thirayoot _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Hien Nguyen Sent: 15 ???????? 2549 20:55 To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles in the world Dear colleagues, I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite high as well. 1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. 2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle ownership? Thanks very much for your help. Best regards, ----------------- Hien Nguyen ITS, Leeds, UK -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 5918 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060616/000f74db/winmail.bin From chirag.d.s at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 16:38:35 2006 From: chirag.d.s at gmail.com (Chirag Shah) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:35 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles in the world In-Reply-To: <200606160545.k5G5jQR5007532@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> References: <69EE3953DBB72B4DBD068463129F01B602BE2E@HERMES3.ds.leeds.ac.uk> <200606160545.k5G5jQR5007532@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> Message-ID: Dear Nguyen, Hi, I read your request on the motorcycles on the mail list. I am sending you the link of Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers website. This contains the data for last 5 years of sales of vehicles in India, which obviously includes two-wheelers as a break up of scooters, motorcycles and mopeds. http://www.siamindia.com/scripts/domestic-sales-trend.aspx As you would see, that two-wheelers here in India constitute more than 70 to 80 per cent of the total sales of vehilces. And there are no signs of this trend ever reversing, at least in the near future. In India nobody wants to use public transport, given their state of affairs. Two-wheelers is the obvious choice given that car (thankfully) is still not that affordable. If you have any problem in downloading the file, do let me know and I would send you the data ASAP. Hope this helps. Best Wishes On 6/16/06, sutp wrote: > Dear Hien, > > > > GTZ has published a sourcebook regarding sustainable transport. One module, > called Two- and Three-Wheelers, particularly focuses on motorcycle and > three-wheel motorized vehicle usage in Asian countries. The module as well > as the entire sourcebook can be accessible on the website www.sutp.org. > Then, click on General resources, which will lead you to the download area. > Please take a few seconds to register to the site. > > > > Best Regards, > > Thirayoot > > > > _____ > > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of > Hien Nguyen > Sent: 15 ???????? 2549 20:55 > To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport > Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles in the world > > > > Dear colleagues, > > I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that > motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as > Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing > in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in > Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite > high as well. > > 1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of > motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type > of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS > and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. > > 2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle > ownership? > > Thanks very much for your help. > > Best regards, > > ----------------- > > Hien Nguyen > > ITS, Leeds, UK > > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. > > From sulin at vectordesigns.org Fri Jun 16 09:53:11 2006 From: sulin at vectordesigns.org (Su-Lin Chee) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:53:11 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles in the world Message-ID: Dear Hien Nguyen, I can't give you any hard statistics but certainly, in Malaysia, motorcycles are plenty, in cities as well as villages, and they are the main source of transport for those in the lower-income bracket, rather than public transport. In the city, besides being cheap, they are also able to avoid traffic jams by going in between cars and other vehicles. However, they are the main victims involved in road accidents. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Su-Lin Chee project manager klang valley public transportation information system vector designs www.vectordesigns.org 54a jalan kemuja bangsar utama 59000 kuala lumpur tel/fax +603.22826363 mobile +6016.2183363 > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > Dear colleagues, > > I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite high as well. > > 1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. > > 2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle ownership? > > Thanks very much for your help. > > Best regards, > > ----------------- > > Hien Nguyen > > ITS, Leeds, UK > > > From mrco at adb.org Fri Jun 16 18:22:14 2006 From: mrco at adb.org (BAQ 2006 Secretariat) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 18:22:14 Subject: [sustran] BAQ 2006 Workshop Moved to 13-15 December 2006, Yogyakarta, at the Hyatt Regency Hotel Message-ID: [Apologies for cross-postings, but this is an important update.] Following the tragic earthquake that struck Yogyakarta on the morning of 27 May 2006, the BAQ Organizing Committee has conducted an assessment of the implications for the Better Air Quality (BAQ) 2006 preparations. In a recent meeting of the BAQ Organizing Committee, the City of Yogyakarta, the Province of Yogyakarta, the State Ministry of Environment, and the Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) reconfirmed their commitment to host the largest regional meeting on urban air quality in Asia this year, in Yogyakarta City. To allow the city and province to prepare for the workshop, BAQ 2006 (which was originally scheduled for 13-15 September) will now take place on 13-15 December 2006. Click here to read the official press release: http://www.cleanairnet.org/baq2006/1757/propertyvalue-26756.html#h2_1 YOGYA REVIVAL! BAQ 2006 will be the first large international conference to be held in Yogyakarta after the calamity. The original theme of BAQ 2006 -- "A CELEBRATION OF EFFORTS" -- is now more appropriate than ever. The Local Governments of Yogyakarta welcomed the decision of the BAQ 2006 Organizing Committee and expressed that the BAQ 2006 workshop will be an important contribution to the local economy and the efforts of the local governments to restore the international community's confidence in Yogyakarta as a main tourism destination in Indonesia and Asia. Over 1,000 participants from more than 40 countries are expected at the BAQ 2006 workshop. The BAQ 2006 Organizing Committee also warmly welcomed and endorsed the proposal of CAI-Asia and the Ministry of Environment to launch a fund raising project to contribute to reconstruction efforts as part of the "YOGYA BANGKIT - YOGYA REVIVAL!" campaign which was launched by the Yogyakarta local governments. CAI-Asia and the Ministry of Environment pledged to raise funds among BAQ 2006 participants, BAQ 2006 supporting organizations, and sponsors to support reconstruction activities in Bantul District and Yogyakarta City. The proceeds of this program will be used to contribute towards restoring communal water and sanitation facilities in Bantul and restoring damaged heritage sites in Yogyakarta city. Details will be announced soon. NEW VENUE: HYATT REGENCY HOTEL The decision to move the workshop to December was made after discussions with the Yogyakarta Hotel Association and a review of the hotel infrastructure. The BAQ 2006 will now be held at the Hyatt Regency hotel. Hotel bookings will resume in two weeks once logistical arrangements are worked out. Participants who have already made reservations at the Sheraton Mustika will be informed of the next steps in a separate email. PRE-EVENTS AND THE GOVERNMENTAL MEETING Different pre-events are scheduled to take place on 11 and 12 December 2006. This includes the Environmentally Sustainable Transport (EST) Forum and the CAI-Asia General Assembly. The First Governmental Meeting on Urban Air Quality Management will be held in the afternoon of 13 and 14 December 2006. NEXT STEPS The BAQ Secretariat will send separate emails to those who have registered for BAQ, those who have submitted abstracts, and those who have booked hotels to explain the next steps. The BAQ Organizing Committee would like to thank the supporting organizations and private sector sponsors for their continued support for BAQ 2006. For more information about how you can help Yogyakarta by supporting BAQ 2006, contact Mr. Cornie Huizenga, chuizenga@adb.org, (632) 632 5047. We hope to see you in December in Yogyakarta! - BAQ 2006 Secretariat http://www.baq2006.org -------------------- E-Mail sent using the Free Trial Version of WorldMerge, the fastest and easiest way to send personalized e-mail messages. More information at http://www.world-merge.com Please report any abuse to mailto:abuse@coloradosoft.com 619662 From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Jun 16 21:30:52 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:30:52 -0500 Subject: [sustran] RV: Habitat JAM: 70 Actionable Ideas / Habitat JAM : 70 solutions pratiques Message-ID: <200606161230.k5GCUuvM025220@omr2.networksolutionsemail.com> It?s really interesting to see that the organizers of Habitat JAM (which seemed a bit of a mess at the beginning) developed some nice syntheses of what happened there, even summarizing it in 70 basic ideas in http://www.wuf3-fum3.ca/newsletter/actionable_ideas_workbook_en.pdf . Idea 5.5 is Sustainable Transport and Land use: http://www.habitatjam.com/viewIdea.php?iid=68 §ion=5 . Also, section 6.5 is about transit (http://www.habitatjam.com/viewIdea.php?iid=62 §ion=6 ) and section 6.6. is about promoting alternative transport options (http://www.habitatjam.com/viewIdea.php?iid=63 §ion=6 ) . See below more info. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: unhabitat@wuf3-fum3.ca [mailto:unhabitat@wuf3-fum3.ca] Enviado el: Jueves, 15 de Junio de 2006 10:52 p.m. Para: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Asunto: Habitat JAM: 70 Actionable Ideas / Habitat JAM : 70 solutions pratiques If the page below does not display properly, click here (or http://www.wuf3-fum3.ca/newsletter/jam.htm) Si le contenu de la page ci-dessous n'est pas visible, cliquez ici (ou http://www.wuf3-fum3.ca/newsletter/jam.htm#french) Dear JAM Participants, We are days away from the opening of the third session of the World Urban Forum and want to share with you the ?ideas to action? that you helped develop by participating in the Habitat JAM. A pdf summary of the 70 actionable ideas is available for downloading on the Habitat JAM website. This Workbook is the key discussion tool for participants in the World Urban Forum. Download your copy today (pdf format - 2.4 MB). The full report of Actionable Ideas is posted on the Habitat JAM website. This HTML version is searchable and available 24-hours a day for your convenience. We encourage you to use this information in your work and discussions, and keep the global conversation we started alive and growing. We will also have live webcasting of some of the WUF3 events. We?ll contact you with contact information and viewing times when it is available. Streamlining the 600+ ideas that were generated in the Habitat JAM to the 70 Actionable Ideas for WUF 3 was a significant job. Many thanks to the International Centre for Sustainable Cities, the JAM Forum Leads, and experts from the University of British Columbia, who made all this possible. If you have questions, comments, or want up-to-date information on the program and related events, check the World Urban Forum website. For those of you who cannot attend the conference in Vancouver, we hope this information will help you in your efforts to building sustainable cities everywhere in the world. Charles Kelly Commissioner General If you do not wish to receive email from us, click here. Chers participants au JAM, ? quelques jours de l'ouverture de la troisi?me session du Forum urbain mondial, nous souhaitons partager avec vous les fa?ons de ? passer des id?es ? l'action ? que votre participation ? l'Habitat JAM nous a permis d??laborer. Vous trouverez sur le site de l'Habitat JAM un r?sum? en format PDF des 70 id?es pratiques que vous pourrez t?l?charger. Ce livret constitue le principal outil pour les participants au Forum urbain mondial.T?l?chargez votre exemplaire (format pdf - 2.4 MB). Le rapport complet sur les ? id?es pratiques ? est affich? sur le site de l'Habitat JAM . Cette version HTML est interrogeable et disponible 24 heures sur 24 pour votre commodit?. Nous vous encourageons ? utiliser cette information dans votre travail et dans vos discussions et ? faire en sorte que la discussion mondiale que nous avons entam?e se poursuive et prenne de l?ampleur. Nous diffuserons sur le Web et en direct certaines activit?s du FUM3. Nous vous communiquerons l'information n?cessaire et les heures de diffusion lorsqu'elles seront connues. R?duire les 600 et quelques id?es g?n?r?es lors de l'Habitat JAM aux 70 ? id?es pratiques ? n'a pas ?t? simple. Nous remercions infiniment le Centre international pour le d?veloppement durable des villes, l'?quipe de direction du JAM et les sp?cialistes de l'universit? de la Colombie-Britannique qui ont rendu cette consultation possible. Si vous avez des questions, des commentaires, ou si vous d?sirez plus de renseignements sur le programme et les activit?s connexes du FUM3, consultez le site du Forum urbain mondial . Nous esp?rons que cette information sera utile ? ceux qui ne peuvent se rendre ? Vancouver pour assister au Forum et qu'elle les aidera ? b?tir des villes durables partout dans le monde. Charles Kelly Commissaire g?n?ral Si vous ne d?sirez plus recevoir de courriel de notre part, cliquez ici. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060616/071ccaef/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Jun 16 22:25:48 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:25:48 -0500 Subject: [sustran] RV: Don't pick on bikes Message-ID: <200606161325.k5GDPo5G002684@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> Dear all, We just received this letter from a Bangkok citizen, who wrote to the local newspaper (Bangkok Post) and cc'd to our project. I thought you might be interested in reading it, since it's really encouraging to see that a citizen is really convinced of sustainable transport and looks forward to improvements. Citizens are key players in the achievement of sustainable transport policy and practice. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo _____ De: chomsgreacen@gmail.com [mailto:chomsgreacen@gmail.com] En nombre de Chuenchom Sangarasri Greacen Enviado el: Jueves, 15 de Junio de 2006 10:13 p.m. Para: postbag@bangkokpost.net CC: sutp@sutp.org Asunto: Don't pick on bikes Don't pick on bikes Thanks to columnist Saritdet Marukatat for bringing the unfortunate destruction of the Rama III bicycle path to the attention of Bangkok Post readers (14 June). He didn't have to use the opportunity to pick on bicycles, however. The columnist labels bicycles as impractical in Thailand because "this country wasn't designed as a haven for bicycles" and because "cycling is not the culture here in Bangkok", and because a public figure was once killed while riding a bicycle. Give me a break. Speaking from personal experience, our middle class family of four has no car - just a couple of bicycles (each with a child seat). For us, bicycles have proven more effective than a car for grocery shopping, errands, and delivering our son to school. All of this in congested, car-infested Bangkok. No pollution. No fuel bills. No challenges finding parking. Surely biking isn't for everyone, and it is true that Bangkok's rude drivers make bicycling risky. But it shouldn't be dismissed as impractical either. If politicians want to gain some points by posing on bicycles, that's OK. Though the exercise is clearly staged, at least they're setting an example of sorts. They should follow through by consistently riding bicycles to work instead of riding in VIP motorcades, by designating more bicycle lanes, by outlawing polluting 2-cycle motorcycles, and by tuning up dirty diesel bus engines. Already, bicycles are allowed on the BTS. And high quality bikes are available at low prices in Thailand thanks to reduced import tax. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060616/6eece13c/attachment.html From arulgreen at yahoo.com Sat Jun 17 23:26:26 2006 From: arulgreen at yahoo.com (arul rathinam) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Chennai: Pasumai Thayagam seeks more buses Message-ID: <20060617142626.93991.qmail@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Pasumai Thayagam seeks more buses Staff Reporter - The Hindu, Tuesday, Jun 06, 2006 Wants a bus rapid transit system for the city Chennai : Pasumai Thayagam, a voluntary organisation, launched a campaign on Monday, World Environment Day, to urge the State Government to conceive solutions to traffic and transportation problems in the city. It has drafted an appeal to Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi to increase the number of Metropolitan Transport Corporation buses from 2,773 to 5,000 and put in place a bus rapid transit system. Pedestrian footpaths, free of encroachments, and safety for cyclists are also required for "sustainable transport" systems, it said. Thousands of `appeal forms' have been printed and will be circulated to residents of every ward in the city, said Pasumai Thayagam State secretary R. Arul. The signed copies will be despatched to the Chief Minister. A. K. Moorthy, MP, was among the first to sign the appeal. He also distributed copies to the public. http://www.hindu.com/2006/06/06/stories/2006060614730400.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Samy.Hayzoune at i-carre.net Tue Jun 13 18:15:23 2006 From: Samy.Hayzoune at i-carre.net (HAYZOUNE Samy - DDE 35/DR/AUHD) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:15:23 +0200 Subject: [sustran] help to find a document on carsharing Message-ID: Hello I'm student in France and my training course concerns alternative ways of transport and them legal problems. For this objective, I was brought to interest me on carsharing and more particulary on the file nammed: "Keys to Carsharing: Moving the City of Tomorrow" Unfortunately I'm unable to find it on the web (specificly on this adress: http://213.170.188.3/moses/body.asp?page=6&news=310&ln=6 where it should be normally) so I allow myself to contact you so that you can have the kindness, either to send the document to me, or to indicate to me where I could find it to conclude what I was required to do. I am aware that you do not have perhaps anything to see with this document but you are the only contact which I found on the net and with which I can asked for this information. The European site of "moses" not functioning either. I thank you in advance Samy HAIZOUNE Stagiaire au p?le AUHD T?l: 06-75-61-45-65 M?l: Samy.Hayzoune@i-carre.net - - - - - - - - - - - DDE Ille et Vilaine P?le AUHD 1, Cale de la Barboti?re 35000 Rennes From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Mon Jun 19 22:13:56 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:13:56 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: help to find a document on carsharing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200606191314.k5JDDthi029069@omr4.networksolutionsemail.com> Samy, Try www.worldcarshare.com . You'll find many interesting documents on carsharing, maybe better than the one you're looking for! Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: ?+57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org - Visite nuestra nueva secci?n de Latinoam?rica y el Caribe en http://www.sutp.org/esp/espindex.htm - ?nase al grupo de discusi?n de Transporte Sostenible en Latinoam?rica enviando un correo a sutp-lac-subscribe@gruposyahoo.com -----Mensaje original----- De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de HAYZOUNE Samy - DDE 35/DR/AUHD Enviado el: Martes, 13 de Junio de 2006 04:15 a.m. Para: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org CC: Samy.Hayzoune@i-carre.net Asunto: [sustran] help to find a document on carsharing Hello I'm student in France and my training course concerns alternative ways of transport and them legal problems. For this objective, I was brought to interest me on carsharing and more particulary on the file nammed: "Keys to Carsharing: Moving the City of Tomorrow" Unfortunately I'm unable to find it on the web (specificly on this adress: http://213.170.188.3/moses/body.asp?page=6&news=310&ln=6 where it should be normally) so I allow myself to contact you so that you can have the kindness, either to send the document to me, or to indicate to me where I could find it to conclude what I was required to do. I am aware that you do not have perhaps anything to see with this document but you are the only contact which I found on the net and with which I can asked for this information. The European site of "moses" not functioning either. I thank you in advance Samy HAIZOUNE Stagiaire au p?le AUHD T?l: 06-75-61-45-65 M?l: Samy.Hayzoune@i-carre.net - - - - - - - - - - - DDE Ille et Vilaine P?le AUHD 1, Cale de la Barboti?re 35000 Rennes ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From edelman at greenidea.info Tue Jun 20 03:44:26 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:44:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Finding green in the concrete jungle Message-ID: <1075.62.245.95.24.1150742666.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> This barely mentions transport, and says nuclear energy can help city dwellers win an "eco-prize". The lake they show a photo of is unreal. - T --- Finding green in the concrete jungle By Richard Black Environment correspondent, BBC News website Apart from a few lower members of the animal kingdom, no-one other than human beings build cities. Chongqing in China is growing fast - so is the pollution They are totally artificial constructs and in them we live artificial lives. We travel differently, eat different food, receive water and energy through pipes and wires, live in different kinds of buildings, do different jobs. All of these things come with an environmental price-tag. Given that the world's urban population is expanding at such a rate, it is worth asking what are the numbers on that price-tag, and whether they are higher or lower than the environmental cost of living a rural life. Does a person produce more or less carbon dioxide on moving from the countryside to the city? If the answer is "less", how should that be offset against a bigger contribution to urban smog? Is trash piling up on a street corner better or worse than excess fertiliser running from farmland into the water supply? Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5072642.stm ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From abradbury at trl.co.uk Tue Jun 20 17:46:28 2006 From: abradbury at trl.co.uk (Bradbury, Annabel) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:46:28 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Manual for Streets - Update 20 June Message-ID: <9AB26CC262F1734EBB9A01B5AC48B47109BC9F2B@w2-ex1.trllimited.co.uk> The discussion draft of the Manual for Streets is now available to download. This is a living document and we would welcome your input. See www.manualforstreets.org.uk for more details. You can comment on the draft Manual for Streets using the feedback questionnaire on the 'Contribute' page of the website. This is part of a consultation exercise to ensure that a wide spectrum of stakeholders have the opportunity to contribute to the MFS with the expectation of achieving agreement on its contents. The MFS will be discussed at a series of free workshops to be held in Newcastle-upon-Tyne (4 July), Manchester (5 July), London (12 July) and Bristol (13 July). If you would like to apply for a place please email mfs@wspgroup.com stating which workshop you wish to attend. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This communication contains information sent from the TRL Limited email system which is confidential, and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee. If you are not the addressee, please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication, or the information therein, is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by return email. TRL Limited reserves the right to monitor emails in accordance with the Telecommunications Lawful Business Practice - Interception of Communications Regulations 2000. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060620/5847e065/attachment.html From ericbruun at earthlink.net Wed Jun 21 02:34:57 2006 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:34:57 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles in the world Message-ID: <2458234.1150824897420.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> .-----Original Message----- From: eric lund Sent: Jun 19, 2006 8:50 PM To: A3B14@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [A3B14] Fw: [sustran] Motorcycles in the world Eric: Sounds like a good tavern discussion at the very least. Or perhaps a research proposal! I vaguely recall some works in the 90s relating to Spain and Greece, perhaps containing some quantification of the idea that as a nation emerges economically, the people turn to a higher degree of freedom of choice in personal mobility. And, of course more recently we've seen this happen again and again in south Asia. Maybe looking at motorcycle-specific research is the wrong choice. Perhaps your correspondant would want to look to determine the correlation between income levels and the popularization through use of forms of personal transportation in emerging economies. That may have already been done on some level, but I don't have any cites. You'll likely see a rise in PTW transport until incomes or local technologies reach a particular level, at which time you'll see a rise in autos. Hostorically, he'll want to see what the availability of cheap model Ts did to the motorcycle industry in the US. Best, Eric -----Original Message----- >From: Hien Nguyen >Sent: Jun 15, 2006 6:55 AM >To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport >Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles in the world > >Dear colleagues, > >I am doing a study on the motorcycles traffic. As far as I know that motorcycles are domonated in traffic streams in many countries such as Taiwan or Vietnam. I also leant that the number of motorcycles is increasing in other countries, like India or Indonesia. In some developed cities in Greece or Italy, the proportion of motorcycles in traffic flows is quite high as well. > >1. Do you have any reference/material saying the number/proportion of motorcycles, and more importantly, a prediction on the growth of this type of vehicles in the above countries/region? I have read some papers in EASTS and TRB but they look not to satisfy my question. > >2. Do you know any other country/area in the world that has high motorcycle ownership? > >Thanks very much for your help. > >Best regards, > >----------------- > >Hien Nguyen > >ITS, Leeds, UK > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Jun 21 06:12:48 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.Britton) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:12:48 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday, July 19, 2006] Message-ID: <009d01c694ae$49586cf0$6401a8c0@Home> Press Release: For Immediate Release Date: 6/19/06 Subject: Ride To Work Day 2006 Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day is Wednesday, July 19, 2006 This year's fifteenth annual motorcycle and scooter commuting demonstration will increase the number of riders on the road, according to Ride to Work, a non-profit advocacy organization. "Riding to work on this day shows the positive value of motorcycles and scooters for transportation. For many people, riding is an economical, efficient and socially responsible form of mobility that saves energy, helps the environment and provides a broad range of other public benefits," states Andy Goldfine, the event organizer. Motorcycle and scooter enthusiasts and rider organizations worldwide encourage their members to ride to work on this day. According to the United States Census Bureau and the Department of Transportation, over eighty million cars and light trucks are used for daily commuting on American roads, and about 200,000 motorcycles and scooters are a regular part of this mix. On Ride to Work Day, the practical side of riding becomes more visible as a larger number of America's 8,000,000 cycles are ridden to work. Ride to Work Day helps demonstrate how these vehicles make parking easier and help traffic flow better. Studies have shown that across equal distances commuting motorcyclists reach their destinations in less time than those using automobiles, that motorcycles and scooters consume less resources per mile than automobiles, and that they take up less space on roads. Motorcycle and scooter riders seek improved employer recognition and support for this form of transportation, and more public and government awareness of the positive value of riding. Alternate formats (PDF ) (TXT ) (DOC ) _____ Ride to Work Day, a 501 c4 nonprofit organization, can be reached at: POB 1072, Proctor, Minnesota, 55810 USA http://www.ridetowork.org 218 722 9806 Christine Holt chold@ridetowork.org Andy Goldfine agoldfine@ridetowork.org Ride to Work Day Mission Statement: To advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation, and to provide information about transportation riding to the public. Affiliated Ride to Work Day Countries: Germany, Philippines, England, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Ecuador, United States, and many others. Newsletter: Sample issues of 'The Daily Rider' newsletter are available for download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/dailyrider History: A brief history of Ride to Work Day is available for viewing at: http://www.ridetowork.org/history Fact Sheet: A transportation motorcycling fact sheet is available at: http://www.ridetowork.org/facts RTW Day Photos and Artwork: Motorcycle commuting photos, ads, posters, banners, photos, illustrations and other artwork is available for view and download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/art Ride To Work, Inc. PO Box 1072 Proctor, MN 55810-1072 (218) 722-9806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060620/c4cd7f8e/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pardo SUTP) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:18:14 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday, July 19, 2006] In-Reply-To: <009d01c694ae$49586cf0$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <200606202118.k5KLIWec028798@omr3.networksolutionsemail.com> And traffic safety is completely forgotten. it's interesting to see that if you replace "motorcycle" with "bicycle" you can say the same things, and add a lot of others (better health, zero emissions, less accidents, etc). Carlos F. Pardo _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Eric.Britton Enviado el: Martes, 20 de Junio de 2006 04:13 p.m. Para: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday,July 19, 2006] Press Release: For Immediate Release Date: 6/19/06 Subject: Ride To Work Day 2006 Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day is Wednesday, July 19, 2006 This year's fifteenth annual motorcycle and scooter commuting demonstration will increase the number of riders on the road, according to Ride to Work, a non-profit advocacy organization. "Riding to work on this day shows the positive value of motorcycles and scooters for transportation. For many people, riding is an economical, efficient and socially responsible form of mobility that saves energy, helps the environment and provides a broad range of other public benefits," states Andy Goldfine, the event organizer. Motorcycle and scooter enthusiasts and rider organizations worldwide encourage their members to ride to work on this day. According to the United States Census Bureau and the Department of Transportation, over eighty million cars and light trucks are used for daily commuting on American roads, and about 200,000 motorcycles and scooters are a regular part of this mix. On Ride to Work Day, the practical side of riding becomes more visible as a larger number of America's 8,000,000 cycles are ridden to work. Ride to Work Day helps demonstrate how these vehicles make parking easier and help traffic flow better. Studies have shown that across equal distances commuting motorcyclists reach their destinations in less time than those using automobiles, that motorcycles and scooters consume less resources per mile than automobiles, and that they take up less space on roads. Motorcycle and scooter riders seek improved employer recognition and support for this form of transportation, and more public and government awareness of the positive value of riding. Alternate formats (PDF ) (TXT ) (DOC ) _____ Ride to Work Day, a 501 c4 nonprofit organization, can be reached at: POB 1072, Proctor, Minnesota, 55810 USA http://www.ridetowork.org 218 722 9806 Christine Holt chold@ridetowork.org Andy Goldfine agoldfine@ridetowork.org Ride to Work Day Mission Statement: To advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation, and to provide information about transportation riding to the public. Affiliated Ride to Work Day Countries: Germany, Philippines, England, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Ecuador, United States, and many others. Newsletter: Sample issues of 'The Daily Rider' newsletter are available for download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/dailyrider History: A brief history of Ride to Work Day is available for viewing at: http://www.ridetowork.org/history Fact Sheet: A transportation motorcycling fact sheet is available at: http://www.ridetowork.org/facts RTW Day Photos and Artwork: Motorcycle commuting photos, ads, posters, banners, photos, illustrations and other artwork is available for view and download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/art Ride To Work, Inc. PO Box 1072 Proctor, MN 55810-1072 (218) 722-9806 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060620/bd7cf328/attachment.html From frwro at mahidol.ac.th Wed Jun 21 11:42:19 2006 From: frwro at mahidol.ac.th (Will Ross) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:42:19 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday, July 19, 2006] References: <009d01c694ae$49586cf0$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <018f01c694dc$544ce7c0$b9020e0a@OEMNV3GK6TP5P1> Ride To Work Day July 19, 2006Eric why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. Eric, please visit Bangkok and see for yourself the consequence of promoting motorcycle use - noise, pollution, anti-social behaviour, individualistic, and extreme danger to pedestrians, cyclists and themselves. Here, around 15,000 people are killed on the roads each year - 80%-85% of them are motorcyclists. Will Bangkok ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric.Britton To: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: [sustran] Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday,July 19, 2006] Press Release: For Immediate Release Date: 6/19/06 Subject: Ride To Work Day 2006 Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day is Wednesday, July 19, 2006 This year's fifteenth annual motorcycle and scooter commuting demonstration will increase the number of riders on the road, according to Ride to Work, a non-profit advocacy organization. "Riding to work on this day shows the positive value of motorcycles and scooters for transportation. For many people, riding is an economical, efficient and socially responsible form of mobility that saves energy, helps the environment and provides a broad range of other public benefits," states Andy Goldfine, the event organizer. Motorcycle and scooter enthusiasts and rider organizations worldwide encourage their members to ride to work on this day. According to the United States Census Bureau and the Department of Transportation, over eighty million cars and light trucks are used for daily commuting on American roads, and about 200,000 motorcycles and scooters are a regular part of this mix. On Ride to Work Day, the practical side of riding becomes more visible as a larger number of America's 8,000,000 cycles are ridden to work. Ride to Work Day helps demonstrate how these vehicles make parking easier and help traffic flow better. Studies have shown that across equal distances commuting motorcyclists reach their destinations in less time than those using automobiles, that motorcycles and scooters consume less resources per mile than automobiles, and that they take up less space on roads. Motorcycle and scooter riders seek improved employer recognition and support for this form of transportation, and more public and government awareness of the positive value of riding. Alternate formats (PDF) (TXT) (DOC) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ride to Work Day, a 501 c4 nonprofit organization, can be reached at: POB 1072, Proctor, Minnesota, 55810 USA http://www.ridetowork.org 218 722 9806 Christine Holt chold@ridetowork.org Andy Goldfine agoldfine@ridetowork.org Ride to Work Day Mission Statement: To advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation, and to provide information about transportation riding to the public. Affiliated Ride to Work Day Countries: Germany, Philippines, England, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Ecuador, United States, and many others. Newsletter: Sample issues of 'The Daily Rider' newsletter are available for download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/dailyrider History: A brief history of Ride to Work Day is available for viewing at: http://www.ridetowork.org/history Fact Sheet: A transportation motorcycling fact sheet is available at: http://www.ridetowork.org/facts RTW Day Photos and Artwork: Motorcycle commuting photos, ads, posters, banners, photos, illustrations and other artwork is available for view and download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/art Ride To Work, Inc. PO Box 1072 Proctor, MN 55810-1072 (218) 722-9806 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060621/b7ff53fb/attachment.html From ranjithsd at sltnet.lk Wed Jun 21 13:00:12 2006 From: ranjithsd at sltnet.lk (Ranjith de Silva) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0600 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the USWednesday, July 19, 2006] In-Reply-To: <018f01c694dc$544ce7c0$b9020e0a@OEMNV3GK6TP5P1> Message-ID: <002f01c694e7$3245cfb0$0265a8c0@rangith74aab7d> I agree with you Will. It is the same here in Sri Lanka and elsewhere in Asia. Thank you. Ranjith -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+ranjithsd=sltnet.lk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+ranjithsd=sltnet.lk@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Will Ross Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:42 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the USWednesday, July 19, 2006] Eric why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. Eric, please visit Bangkok and see for yourself the consequence of promoting motorcycle use - noise, pollution, anti-social behaviour, individualistic, and extreme danger to pedestrians, cyclists and themselves. Here, around 15,000 people are killed on the roads each year - 80%-85% of them are motorcyclists. Will Bangkok ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric.Britton To: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: [sustran] Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in the US Wednesday,July 19, 2006] Press Release: For Immediate Release Date: 6/19/06 Subject: Ride To Work Day 2006 Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day is Wednesday, July 19, 2006 This year's fifteenth annual motorcycle and scooter commuting demonstration will increase the number of riders on the road, according to Ride to Work, a non-profit advocacy organization. "Riding to work on this day shows the positive value of motorcycles and scooters for transportation. For many people, riding is an economical, efficient and socially responsible form of mobility that saves energy, helps the environment and provides a broad range of other public benefits," states Andy Goldfine, the event organizer. Motorcycle and scooter enthusiasts and rider organizations worldwide encourage their members to ride to work on this day. According to the United States Census Bureau and the Department of Transportation, over eighty million cars and light trucks are used for daily commuting on American roads, and about 200,000 motorcycles and scooters are a regular part of this mix. On Ride to Work Day, the practical side of riding becomes more visible as a larger number of America's 8,000,000 cycles are ridden to work. Ride to Work Day helps demonstrate how these vehicles make parking easier and help traffic flow better. Studies have shown that across equal distances commuting motorcyclists reach their destinations in less time than those using automobiles, that motorcycles and scooters consume less resources per mile than automobiles, and that they take up less space on roads. Motorcycle and scooter riders seek improved employer recognition and support for this form of transportation, and more public and government awareness of the positive value of riding. Alternate formats (PDF ) (TXT ) (DOC ) _____ Ride to Work Day, a 501 c4 nonprofit organization, can be reached at: POB 1072, Proctor, Minnesota, 55810 USA http://www.ridetowork.org 218 722 9806 Christine Holt chold@ridetowork.org Andy Goldfine agoldfine@ridetowork.org Ride to Work Day Mission Statement: To advocate and support the use of motorcycles for transportation, and to provide information about transportation riding to the public. Affiliated Ride to Work Day Countries: Germany, Philippines, England, Germany, Israel, Turkey, Ecuador, United States, and many others. Newsletter: Sample issues of 'The Daily Rider' newsletter are available for download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/dailyrider History: A brief history of Ride to Work Day is available for viewing at: http://www.ridetowork.org/history Fact Sheet: A transportation motorcycling fact sheet is available at: http://www.ridetowork.org/facts RTW Day Photos and Artwork: Motorcycle commuting photos, ads, posters, banners, photos, illustrations and other artwork is available for view and download at: http://www.ridetowork.org/art Ride To Work, Inc. PO Box 1072 Proctor, MN 55810-1072 (218) 722-9806 _____ ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060621/06d00034/attachment.html From sksunny at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 13:10:00 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:10:00 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work In-Reply-To: <002f01c694e7$3245cfb0$0265a8c0@rangith74aab7d> References: <002f01c694e7$3245cfb0$0265a8c0@rangith74aab7d> Message-ID: <4498C698.10603@gmail.com> The reasons for this increase in motor cycle use and, obviously, the reduced safety is primarily the lack of pedestrian facilities and inefficient/unaffordable public transport. As Will said in Bangkok there is an upward trend of motorcycle ownership and accidents and anyone who is well aware of the close friendship between Bangkok and car/motorbike will surely see the lack of pedestrian facilities, and so is the case even in many cities of India, Sri Lanka or any other developing Asian city. When adequate pedestrian facilities are not provided getting a "motor" attached to the "cycle" is the only affordable choice. Hence, Encouraging and "Enforcing" bicycle to work is more important than having days for "motor"-riding to work. Sunny Ranjith de Silva wrote: > > I agree with you Will. It is the same here in Sri Lanka and elsewhere > in Asia. > > Thank you. > > Ranjith > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* sustran-discuss-bounces+ranjithsd=sltnet.lk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+ranjithsd=sltnet.lk@list.jca.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Will Ross > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:42 AM > *To:* Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport > *Subject:* [sustran] Re: Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day in > the USWednesday, July 19, 2006] > > Eric > > why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This > list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, > non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg > walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or > encouraging motorcycle use. > > Eric, please visit Bangkok and see for yourself the consequence of > promoting motorcycle use - noise, pollution, anti-social behaviour, > individualistic, and extreme danger to pedestrians, cyclists and > themselves. Here, around 15,000 people are killed on the roads each > year - 80%-85% of them are motorcyclists. > > Will > > Bangkok > From ranjithsd at sltnet.lk Wed Jun 21 13:56:31 2006 From: ranjithsd at sltnet.lk (Ranjith de Silva) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:56:31 +0600 Subject: [sustran] IFRTD Mobility & Health Networked Research - Core Team Member from Asia Message-ID: <000d01c694ef$147ed9b0$0265a8c0@rangith74aab7d> Dear Friends We (IFRTD) are looking for a person from Asia in the Health sector to serve as an additional Core Team Member of the Mobility & Health Networked Research supported by SDC, Sida, Skat and SCIH. We have just started receiving full proposals from selected abstracts submitted by a large number of researchers from Asia, Africa and Latin America. The Terms of Reference for the task is given below this email and I would like to receive applications from interested persons in the Asia Region to serve as the additional member of the Asia Core Team. Please pass this message to suitable persons and encourage them to apply along with their CVs for participation in the Asia Research Core Team. The closing date will be 30th June 2006. Please note that only the short-listed applicants will be contacted. Thank you. Ranjith Ranjith de Silva Asia Regional Coordinator International Forum for Rural Transport and Development (IFRTD) C/o: 319/10, Ramanayaka Mawatha, Erawwala, Pannipitiya, Sri Lanka. Phone: +94 11 2842972 Fax: +94 11 2856188 Email: ranjith@ifrtd.org web: www.ifrtd.org "The IFRTD is a global network of individuals and organisations working together towards improved access and mobility for the rural poor in developing countries" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Mobility & Health An International Networked Research Programme TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR ADDITIONAL CORE GROUP MEMBERS Background The IFRTD, in collaboration with the Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation (SDC), the Swiss Resource Centre and Consultancies for Development (Skat), Swiss Centre for International Health (SCIH) as part of the Swiss Tropical Institute, is carrying out a two-year networked research programme on the links between Mobility and Health, which started at the beginning of 2006. The overall programme has three objectives: (1) to increase the understanding of the impacts of mobility constraints on the health, well-being and issues of poor people in different developing country contexts; (2) to develop tools that will enable transport professionals to include holistic health impact assessments and mitigation measures in the planning, design and implementation of transport interventions; and (3) to develop an advocacy programme to sensitise the health sector to mobility and health issues. Using a networked research methodology (for more information see www.ifrtd.org/news/about/netres.php), the programme on Mobility and Health aims to carry out between 20-30 case-studies from Asia, Latin America and Africa. These case-studies will demonstrate the existing and potential links between mobility and health, especially in rural areas. As a first step in the process, the researchers will come together in regional workshops to finalise the methodology and framework. Once the case-studies are finished (after 6-12 months), an international symposium will be organised to present the issues flowing out of the case-studies and to develop outlines for a 'toolkit', book and an advocacy programme. Strengthening of the core group Currently the core team, steering the programme, consists of IFRTD, SDC, STI and Skat. Recognising the need for regional health expertise we are looking for experts/consultants from Latin America, Africa and Asia (one per region) with a background in health, especially maternal health. Experts need to be affiliated to NGOs or multilateral institutions. The ideal candidate is also familiar with mobility and access issues for rural communities and cross-cutting issues such as transport and gender especially relating to health problems. The work of the consultant will focus on assisting in the final selection process of case study researchers, providing periodic technical support to case study researchers during the field research and workshops and contribute to the overall comparative analysis of the initiative. Tasks More specifically in year 1 (2006) the expert/consultant will: * Read summaries of candidates and rate them for pre-selection. * Read full proposal of candidates and rate them for selection. * Participate in the regional researchers' workshop in their own region. * Participate in the regional researchers' workshop in other regions (optional). * Provide feedback to selected researchers on request. In year 2 (2007) the expert/consultant will: * Input into the comparative analysis in the region * Input into the presentation of the analysis * Read and comment on draft report of selected case studies from their respective region. * Read and comment final report of selected case studies from their respective region. * Participate in the international symposium at the end of the research. * Participate in dissemination activity. * Provide feedback to final international programme report. Expected Outputs * Table of summaries of pre selected candidates filled in. * Table of full proposals of selected candidates filled in. * Feedback to draft and final reports of selected case studies from their own region. * Summary of issues identified from final reports. Duration Commitment of two years (2006-2007) in order to complete the programme. Inputs are periodic and may require more time in the inception phase and completion phase. Location * For reading summaries and proposals, the country where the consultant is based. * For workshops and symposium, country where it will take place Skills * Good knowledge of health issues in the consultant's own region. * Good understanding of cross cutting issues like gender. * Good understanding of mobility and access issues. * Good analytical skills. * Good research and writing skills. * For Latin America: ability to communicate with researchers in Spanish and in English with the rest of the core team. Remuneration IFRTD recognises that this is a rather highly specialised area. Original international programmes like this are often an opportunity for interested people and organisations to grow professionally while contributing to the programme. A flat fee of US $3,000 is offered for the first year of involvement in the programme and US $3,150 for the second year. Expenses incurred for participating in the workshops and other core meetings outside of the county of origin are reimbursable. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060621/62ed8221/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Jun 21 16:02:53 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.Britton) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:02:53 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? Message-ID: <009401c69500$bb6b7c40$6401a8c0@Home> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060621/9ed2a7a7/attachment.html From schipper at wri.org Wed Jun 21 19:48:54 2006 From: schipper at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:48:54 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? Message-ID: Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important contribution in a few places and could make more.. Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment World Resources Institute 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 06/21/06 3:02 AM >>> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. From schipper at wri.org Wed Jun 21 19:48:54 2006 From: schipper at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 06:48:54 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? Message-ID: Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important contribution in a few places and could make more.. Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment World Resources Institute 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 06/21/06 3:02 AM >>> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. From sksunny at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 20:15:20 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:15:20 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Lee Schipper wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44992A48.5070002@gmail.com> Yes Lee, you r right a clean two wheeler is the alternative but what exactly is this "clean" 2-wheeler in my opinion it should be a bicycle or a rickshaw (3-wheeler) and if it is then that's what we want in the cities but not motorbikes using clean fuels. Motorcycles using electricity would be great but the source of electricity is also to be considered, still will this reduce the accidents? Sunny Lee Schipper wrote: > Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a > mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean > two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for > four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers > may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And > Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most > sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a > bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! > > Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low > power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important > contribution in a few places and could make more.. > > Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research > EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment > World Resources Institute > 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA > Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 > http://www.embarq.wri.org From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Wed Jun 21 20:30:20 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:30:20 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102406D46@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Hang on - should "relatively clean two stroke four wheelers" have been "four-stroke two-wheelers"? Not sure I know of a clean two-stroke engine. Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Lee Schipper Sent: 21 June 2006 11:49 To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org; sksunny@gmail.com; Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org; frwro@mucc.mahidol.ac.th; ranjithsd@sltnet.lk Cc: 'Dinesh Mohan' Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important contribution in a few places and could make more.. Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment World Resources Institute 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 06/21/06 3:02 AM >>> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. 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From edelman at greenidea.info Wed Jun 21 20:41:02 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:41:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Lee Schipper wrote In-Reply-To: <44992A48.5070002@gmail.com> References: <44992A48.5070002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2423.62.245.95.24.1150890062.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Hi, > Yes Lee, you r right a clean two wheeler is the alternative but what > exactly is this "clean" 2-wheeler in my opinion it should be a bicycle > or a rickshaw (3-wheeler) and if it is then that's what we want in the > cities but not motorbikes using clean fuels. Motorcycles using > electricity would be great but the source of electricity is also to be > considered, still will this reduce the accidents? If the form of tranport doesnt change but the energy is easier to get or more "great" than the number of two-wheelers will just go up. They might be individually quieter, and this might actually add to the number of collisions (aka "accidents"). There is also the "fear factor" for vulnerable road users because of the all these things moving around. This cannot really be counted in statistics except very generally (e.g. as an answer to the question: "Do streets still feel chaotic with all the clean and quiet motorised 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7-wheelers?") This fear factor needs to be better quantified. Now, before people start throwing the "I" (idealist) word around, please consider if a "cleaner" motorised vehicle is, by itself a step towards new mobility and "New Moblity"... or carfree. If it is not then it is simply no solution. If everyone invests in "cleaner" two-wheelers how much push will there be for public transport as part of a comprehensive, holistic solution which addresses all our beliefs, be they "sustainable transport", "New Mobility", "carfree"? T > > Sunny > > Lee Schipper wrote: >> Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a >> mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean >> two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for >> four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers >> may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And >> Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most >> sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a >> bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! >> >> Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low >> power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important >> contribution in a few places and could make more.. >> >> Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research >> EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment >> World Resources Institute >> 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA >> Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 >> http://www.embarq.wri.org > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus > is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From sksunny at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 20:52:58 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:52:58 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Lee Schipper wrote In-Reply-To: <2423.62.245.95.24.1150890062.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> References: <44992A48.5070002@gmail.com> <2423.62.245.95.24.1150890062.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Message-ID: <4499331A.20801@gmail.com> Todd Edelman wrote: > Hi, > > >> Yes Lee, you r right a clean two wheeler is the alternative but what >> exactly is this "clean" 2-wheeler in my opinion it should be a bicycle >> or a rickshaw (3-wheeler) and if it is then that's what we want in the >> cities but not motorbikes using clean fuels. Motorcycles using >> electricity would be great but the source of electricity is also to be >> considered, still will this reduce the accidents? >> > > If the form of tranport doesnt change but the energy is easier to get or > more "great" than the number of two-wheelers will just go up. They might > be individually quieter, and this might actually add to the number of > collisions (aka "accidents"). > > Yes Todd I agree with you and I meant that the cleaner 2-wheeler could only be a bicycle becoz all the other options are never zero emission vehicles, except for walking. > There is also the "fear factor" for vulnerable road users because of the > all these things moving around. This cannot really be counted in > statistics except very generally (e.g. as an answer to the question: "Do > streets still feel chaotic with all the clean and quiet motorised > 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7-wheelers?") This fear factor needs to be better > quantified. > I would say that the fear factor also would not decrease but rather increase bcoz of an increase in the number of motor vehicles, clean motors does not mean "safe" motor vehicles > Now, before people start throwing the "I" (idealist) word around, please > consider if a "cleaner" motorised vehicle is, by itself a step towards new > mobility and "New Moblity"... or carfree. If it is not then it is simply > no solution. If everyone invests in "cleaner" two-wheelers how much push > will there be for public transport as part of a comprehensive, holistic > solution which addresses all our beliefs, be they "sustainable transport", > "New Mobility", "carfree"? > there would still be a push for sustainable transport and a car free society if the investment is in the bicycles and encouraging walking but definitely there will be no push if it is on motorised private vehicles then the "New mobility" would be "New Motorised Mobility" > T > Sunny From sksunny at gmail.com Wed Jun 21 20:15:20 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:15:20 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Lee Schipper wrote In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44992A48.5070002@gmail.com> Yes Lee, you r right a clean two wheeler is the alternative but what exactly is this "clean" 2-wheeler in my opinion it should be a bicycle or a rickshaw (3-wheeler) and if it is then that's what we want in the cities but not motorbikes using clean fuels. Motorcycles using electricity would be great but the source of electricity is also to be considered, still will this reduce the accidents? Sunny Lee Schipper wrote: > Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a > mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean > two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for > four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers > may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And > Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most > sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a > bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! > > Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low > power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important > contribution in a few places and could make more.. > > Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research > EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment > World Resources Institute > 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA > Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 > http://www.embarq.wri.org From SCHIPPER at wri.org Wed Jun 21 22:17:24 2006 From: SCHIPPER at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 09:17:24 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Message-ID: Alan is right.- relatively clean four stroke two wheelers. We used to be plagued by Saab and DKW two stroke four wheelers in Sweden in the 1970s.. phew! Not clean, not quiet. >>> Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk 6/21/2006 7:30:20 AM >>> Hang on - should "relatively clean two stroke four wheelers" have been "four-stroke two-wheelers"? Not sure I know of a clean two-stroke engine. Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Lee Schipper Sent: 21 June 2006 11:49 To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org; sksunny@gmail.com; Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org; frwro@mucc.mahidol.ac.th; ranjithsd@sltnet.lk Cc: 'Dinesh Mohan' Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important contribution in a few places and could make more.. Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment World Resources Institute 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 06/21/06 3:02 AM >>> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). 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I am not disagreeing to the use of motorcycles and motorcycle-based Intermediate Means of Transport which provides an immense service to the mobility of the poor communities. However, I think it is very important to take care of the safety and environmental aspects of these modes of transport and get the policy makers to seriously think about having and enforcing laws governing the approval, roadworthiness and behaviour in the traffic of these motorised two and three wheelers. I am sorry if I have unintentionally hurt your feelings but one should accept the fact that we should be open to express our own ideas and arguments in a discussion list and at the same time are ready to receive critical comments from your colleagues. Anyway Sustran is a very lively discussion list where I learn and add so much to my own knowledge. Thank you. Warm regards. Ranjith Ranjith de Silva -----Original Message----- From: Eric.Britton [mailto:eric.britton@ecoplan.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:03 PM To: frwro@mucc.mahidol.ac.th; Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; ranjithsd@sltnet.lk; sksunny@gmail.com Cc: carlos.pardo@sutp.org; 'Dinesh Mohan' Subject: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060621/8173c763/attachment-0001.html From gbathan at adb.org Thu Jun 22 11:28:24 2006 From: gbathan at adb.org (gbathan at adb.org) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:28:24 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Envirofit, a non-stock non-profit organization, will be introducing direct injection 2-stroke technology for tricycles in Vigan City, Philippines. More information is available on the CAI-Asia website, Philippines page --- http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70220.html "Lee Schipper" Sent by: sustran-discuss-bounces+gbathan=adb.org@list.jca.apc.org 06/21/2006 09:17 PM Please respond to Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport To , "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport" cc Subject [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Alan is right.- relatively clean four stroke two wheelers. We used to be plagued by Saab and DKW two stroke four wheelers in Sweden in the 1970s.. phew! Not clean, not quiet. >>> Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk 6/21/2006 7:30:20 AM >>> Hang on - should "relatively clean two stroke four wheelers" have been "four-stroke two-wheelers"? Not sure I know of a clean two-stroke engine. Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Lee Schipper Sent: 21 June 2006 11:49 To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org; sksunny@gmail.com; Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org; frwro@mucc.mahidol.ac.th; ranjithsd@sltnet.lk Cc: 'Dinesh Mohan' Subject: [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof motorcycles? Not sure I agree with the complaint. Visiting Hanoi many times, I see a mess, but I also see a population that moves slowly on relat ively clean two stroke four wheelers. There is not room for four wheelers -- there will be room for buses..but clean two wheelers may be a "solution" to balancing individual and collective mobility. And Dinesh points out that a clean three wheel autorickshaw may be the most sustainable transport form of all, even if it doesnt look like a bicycle, BRT, or commuter rail! Motor cycles, if we mean "choppers" is not sustainable -- but small low power two wheelers, even th electric variety, make an important contribution in a few places and could make more.. Lee Schipper, Ph.D., Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Transport and Environment World Resources Institute 10 G St NE, Washington DC 20002 USA Phone +1 202 729 7735; Fax +1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 06/21/06 3:02 AM >>> >> Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? This list is supposed to be about sustainable transport - affordable, non-polluting, equitable, social, community-oriented, safe - eg walking, cycling, public transport. We shouldn't be promoting or encouraging motorcycle use. << Oh dear Will, Ranjith, Suny and Sustran Friends, I did not have even the vaguest inkling that anything coming from me to this list would for a moment be taken in this way. I posted that release as a reminder of the complexity of the institutional and behavioral landscape out there when it comes to motorized two-wheelers and all that they involve. And yes my fault, I should have explained. I am sadly aware of what is going on in the streets in places like Bangkok and the long list of cities facing these tough challenges. Indeed I have written here and elsewhere that this is to my mind one of the great not only unmet but largely even un-asked challenges of transport in cities. Here we are "suddenly" in this awful anomalous situation, where a combination of the market, technology, indifference and our gross inability to come up with an alternative from the perspective of public policy, have combined to create a situation in which these terribly dangerous vehicles and public health menaces have become the 'transport of choice' of ever larger numbers of people. And to my knowledge these problems cannot be found in the transport and planning curricula of any of the great or less great educational institutions of the world. At best they are treated episodically, in conversation and in pretty much isolated manners by concerned individuals, a couple of groups like Sustran, and the odd media piece. It is not too much to say that for now at least we are lost in the woods on this. What you have done the three of you (thus far since it's still early ;-) is to remind me that in the rather long list of topics to which our about to go on line New Mobility Briefs cooperative program is giving attention, that indeed we have to now also been guilty of not putting the challenges of finding our way to better policies to deal with motorized two wheelers in cities on our 'curriculum'. (But given the fact that the program will only be getting formally launched next week there is no harm done). In the event it is now very much on our work program, and once we have enough cities backing the program so that we have greater freedom of action in choosing topics (we need to bring five hundred cities and agencies on board if we are to be able to pay the rent and salaries for this program), I promise you that we will get this topic to the top of the list. (And all of you here will have a chance to pitch in to make sure that our final short piece aimed at mayors and local decision makers reflects our combined experience and brainpower.) In the meantime, I invite you to check out our considerable progress at http://www.newmobilityadvisory.org , where you will now see that motorcycles are right in the middle of our agenda. With all good wishes Eric Britton PS. To get a feel for the approach that we feel is called for in the face of the challenges our cities and beleaguered planet face, you may wish to take a few minutes with the two short video clips that you will find on the top menu: the Sneak Preview of the forthcoming film Contested Streets, and the Man on the Street interview in Groningen (great value!). Also, if you click to the 2006 Awards link you will see our two group nominations for this year's World Technology Environment Awards. One of them is to recognize the contributions of Jan Gehl in his highly innovative public space work. Jan also appears in the Contested Streets video, which he closes with the following wonderful statement: "It is really a wonderful thing to live in a city where when you wake up in the morning you realize that today the city is a little bit better than yesterday. I have had this feeling now for almost forty years". I would say that all of us who care can fairly make this our shared goal. PPS. Do you think you might want to work with us on this? If so, please send me a private note to eric.britton@ecoplan.org. Thanks and welcome aboard. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060622/7de31bfa/attachment.html From sksunny at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 13:27:36 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:27:36 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Envirofit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449A1C38.60603@gmail.com> It sounds impressive I have been to their website. But I would like to see if there are any graphs that compare the conventional and the retrofitted engines. One more question would be how long will the retrofitted mechanism work without maintenance, I also doubt the noise reductions in the 2 stroke engine. I have seen one photo on the Envirofit website of a Vietnamese (i presume) guy with lots of school children on the bike...is it safe??? Sunny gbathan@adb.org wrote: > > Envirofit, a non-stock non-profit organization, will be introducing > direct injection 2-stroke technology for tricycles in Vigan City, > Philippines. More information is available on the CAI-Asia website, > Philippines page --- > http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70220.html > > > *"Lee Schipper" * > Sent by: sustran-discuss-bounces+gbathan=adb.org@list.jca.apc.org > > 06/21/2006 09:17 PM > Please respond to > Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport > > > > > To > , "Asia and the Pacific sustainable > transport" > cc > > Subject > [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof > motorcycles? > > > > > > > > > From edelman at greenidea.info Thu Jun 22 14:10:15 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 07:10:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Envirofit In-Reply-To: <449A1C38.60603@gmail.com> References: <449A1C38.60603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2881.62.245.95.24.1150953015.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Hi, More questions: * Will behaviour of drivers change? * Will the vehicles have speed limiters? (What is their top speed and normal operating speed in traffic?) * What is the terrain like there? (how much is a motor needed?) * Fuel source is petrol? (Are there truly sustainable biofuels available? What happens when prices for fuel go up?) * Are there issues about which areas these vehicles can access? * What do the local population think are the problems with motorised three-wheelers? * Are the "Colorado Bikes" (yes, this is a reference to the ITDP-sponsored programme "California Bike") going to be incorporated into a integrated transport scheme with PT for longer distances? * What is the situation with non-motorised three wheelers? - T > It sounds impressive I have been to their website. But I would like to > see if there are any graphs that compare the conventional and the > retrofitted engines. One more question would be how long will the > retrofitted mechanism work without maintenance, I also doubt the noise > reductions in the 2 stroke engine. > > I have seen one photo on the Envirofit website of a Vietnamese (i > presume) guy with lots of school children on the bike...is it safe??? > > Sunny > > gbathan@adb.org wrote: >> >> Envirofit, a non-stock non-profit organization, will be introducing >> direct injection 2-stroke technology for tricycles in Vigan City, >> Philippines. More information is available on the CAI-Asia website, >> Philippines page --- >> http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70220.html >> >> >> *"Lee Schipper" * >> Sent by: sustran-discuss-bounces+gbathan=adb.org@list.jca.apc.org >> >> 06/21/2006 09:17 PM >> Please respond to >> Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport >> >> >> >> >> To >> , "Asia and the Pacific sustainable >> transport" >> cc >> >> Subject >> [sustran] Re: Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the useof >> motorcycles? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus > is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From hghazali at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 14:25:26 2006 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 10:25:26 +0500 Subject: [sustran] Improving Lahore's traffic Message-ID: *Action plan to improve traffic* http://www.dawn.com/2006/05/28/nat25.htm *By Our Staff Reporter* LAHORE, May 27: A comprehensive action plan has been drawn up to improve traffic system in the province and a pilot project will be launched at the Ferozepur Road stretch from Qartaba Chowk to the Lahore General Hospital. This was stated by Chief Minister Pervaiz Elahi while presiding over a meeting here on Saturday, also announcing that a traffic management unit would be established under the supervision of the Planning and Development Board. The meeting was attended among others by Chief Secretary Salman Siddique, IGP Ziaul Hasan Khan, Lahore Nazim Mian Amer Mahmood and P&D chairman Suleman Ghani. The chief minister said a strategy had been devised to coordinate working of six different departments to regulate traffic in the province. Implementation of the traffic management under the P&D's urban unit would be ensured through complete coordination among these six related departments, he said. He said it had become necessary to establish traffic system in Lahore and other big cities in the province on scientific grounds. This was so because a better traffic system leaves a positive impact on environment and commerce, also establishing discipline in cities. The chief minister said under the pilot project a computerised signal network was being installed from Qartaba Chowk to the Lahore General Hospital. After the success of this project the scope of the system would be extended to other roads in Lahore and all other major cities in the province. He directed the officials to clear encroachments and make parking arrangements for smooth flow of traffic. All recruitments in the traffic police should be made on merit and only those have professional capabilities be given jobs. P&D chairman Suleman Ghani briefed the participants on different aspects of the traffic management plan. The IGP said the police would play its due role in effective implementation of the plan. Regards, Hassaan -- Research Analyst Urban Sector Policy and Management Unit (The Urban Unit) Planning and Development Department, Government of the Punjab A: 4-B Lytton Road, Lahore T: (+92 42) 921 3579-84 Ext.116 M:(+92 345) 455 6016 F: (+92 42) 921 3585 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060622/cdeda41a/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Jun 22 15:18:12 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.britton) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:18:12 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Improving Lahore's traffic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006901c695c3$a502bfe0$6401a8c0@Home> Reference: LAHORE, May 27: A comprehensive action plan has been drawn up to improve traffic system in the province and a pilot project will be launched at the Ferozepur Road stretch from Qartaba Chowk to the Lahore General Hospital. I would like to respectfully comment on the article that friend Hassaan has shared with our group today, and behind the article on the pilot project that is as I understand it summarily described in the above excerpt. Two things in particular bother me about the project, the first that it focuses on "traffic" and then that it will look at a specific link. But I would like to put this before the group as a whole for comment since I may, as often, be very far from the truth on this. "Improving traffic" is basically a technical exercise which has as its underlying goal to improve vehicle throughput, which in turn keys on higher vehicle speeds. Now this is something that traffic and transport engineers are very good at, and all the more so when the problem is reduced to optimization of vehicle throughput on a specific link. I am sure that the new traffic management unit will do a fine job of that. However the big problem with this - it is a huge problem actually - is that it provides a clear step in a process which risks later to become the approach and tool set needed for public policy for the Government of Punjab, state-wide. This would to my mind be a step in the wrong direction and be the harbinger of many and large future problems for mobility, the environment and quality of life in the Punjab. A step, seemingly so useful and benign in itself, that would lock the Punjab into the same vicious cycle that we have seen destroying quality of life in many places. (Hanna Arendt once called this process - in a transportation context mind you - an example of "the banality of evil", if that is not to put too strong a point to it.) Okay, dear colleagues. Now here's the rub. If we have this process already underway and this first step apparently to be taken - what is it that we as voices of sustainable transportation can possibly do to reverse or mitigating this process - or best of all transform it into something that is going to be useful to deal with the worst of the problems out there on the roads today, while at the same time creating a new mindset that will permit more effective problems solving and public action in the future? Not so easy, eh? One of the reasons that some of us continue to insist of the concept of 'new mobility' as a goal as opposed to care and feeding of traffic and vehicle systems - is precisely because we are hopeful that this apparently small vocabulary shift will bring with it a new and quite different sets of underlying attitudes and priorities. Those in fact which certainly just about every person here shares. To end with my question: So, how do we go about doing this? What is the strategy, the process that now has to be engaged to be effective? Eric Britton - from Paris on the annual Day of Music The Commons: A wide open, world-wide forum concerned with improving our understanding and control of technology as it impacts on people in their daily lives. Seeking out and supporting new sustainability concepts for business, entrepreneurs, activists, community groups, and government; a thorn in the side of hesitant administrators, politicians and businessmen in denial; and through our joint efforts, energy and personal choices, placing them and ourselves firmly on the path to a more sustainable and more just society. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060622/f83a055a/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.info Thu Jun 22 16:20:58 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:20:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Improving Lahore's traffic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3203.62.245.95.24.1150960858.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Quick response based on what Eric said: > *Action plan to improve traffic* > ... > He said it had become necessary to establish traffic system in Lahore and > other big cities in the province on scientific grounds. SCIENCE? Okay, good idea! How about the science of Transport Demand Management? The science of car pollution harming health? The science of helping people with brain injuries recover? --- > > This was so because a better traffic system leaves a positive impact on > environment and commerce, also establishing discipline in cities. DISCIPLINE, eh? Great idea! How about slower speed limits which people are mature enough to adhere to? --- > > He directed the officials to clear encroachments and make parking > arrangements for smooth flow of traffic. SMOOTH. Smooth is good. Smoooth. Its a word that sounds like what it is. LESS parking=LESS traffic! --- All recruitments in the traffic > police should be made on merit and only those have professional > capabilities > be given jobs. AND put as many as possible in beautiful uniforms on really nice bicycles!! ---- > > The IGP said the police would play its due role in effective > implementation > of the plan. TIE end of the year / feast/holiday bonuses to general reduction in injuries and deaths on the streets. NOT to number of parking violations given, and not as rewards for individual actions. T --------------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From sksunny at gmail.com Thu Jun 22 16:26:50 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Improving Lahore's traffic In-Reply-To: <3203.62.245.95.24.1150960858.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> References: <3203.62.245.95.24.1150960858.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Message-ID: <449A463A.2070806@gmail.com> Gr8 idea...some additions would be teach the police to respect bicycle riders and not the car users...preference for nmt users at junctions....maximum parking restriction...tying bonuses with increased safety and also number of fines for parking would be nice. Sunny From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Jun 22 19:16:34 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Administrative User) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:16:34 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Eric. why are you misusing Sustran to promote the use of motorcycles? In-Reply-To: <000001c69547$529019f0$0265a8c0@rangith74aab7d> Message-ID: <00d101c695e4$fbc80670$6401a8c0@Home> Here we are again going on about motor cycles and sustainable transportation in the developing countries. Again. Now I have been occasionally thinking about this thorny topic from time to time over several years now, and each time am thoroughly daunted by the huge scale of the problems and our collective incompetence to deal with them. So what do I do? Well each time I fret about it for a while, feel kind of smart because at least I can see that there is a real problem there, and then stupid since I cannot think of what should be done about it in terms of my available time and expertise, and then move on to other things. That does no one any particular good. Hmm. Okay, it's a fine thing indeed to have kind thoughts and feel good about ones immortal soul, but let me propose the following, which is not intended as a solution but perhaps a small step toward a solution. And what oyu have here at least it is concrete, immediate and something that experience has shown that we can work with. So if you click over to the New Mobility Agenda today at http://www.newmobility.org , you will see at the bottom left menu something cryptically labeled "mcstdc" (a better name to follow) , which you are invited to click. It will take you into a forum set up just this morning after a conversation with Ranjith, which thus far is blank other than as a structure we can put to work, a short introductory welcome note (below), and the first dozen or so links which I have popped in to programs and sites that come to mind that I know to be good sources of information and counsel, if not exactly on this topic issues which are closely related. What I propose is that you hop have a look and then share with all of us here as Sustran your thoughts and suggestion as to the best way to go about this. If it looks like a decent first step what I propose is that you sign in, which is done by sending a blank email to mcstdc-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. At that point you are able to send messages to the new groups as well, and as we gather our thoughts on this what I propose is that we copy all main on this subject to both the Sustran and the new list. My hope in this is that by having this dedicated discussion space, we shall be able over time to begin to develop a more structured and more broadly shared view as to what is going on and then what can be done about it. This is a both fascinating and very important topic, and I hope that by pooling our experience and brains (and time) we can start to make some advances on it. I look forward very much to hearing what you all have to say on it. Eric Britton PS. It may prove that a perfectly good forum already has been put into place to do this precise job, but I would stress the importance of whatever it is being entirely focused on this one very specific problem, Which after all is HUGE!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You should see the basics of traffic calming (the classic traffic calming), where there sometimes have to be physical measures to lower speeds. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo -----Original Message----- From: Sarker, Mohsin [mailto:SarkerM@yarracity.vic.gov.au] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 05:44 PM To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage Hi all We all know that there are many factors that effect bicycle usage. But I am interested to know the effect/impact of bicycle lane marking (beside automobile lanes) on the number of bicycle usage. I am looking for some evidence and data. If anyone can help me in this regard, it would be highly appreciated. Thanks Dr. Mohsin Sarker Traffic Engineer City of Yarra PO Box 168, Richmond Victoria, Australia 3121 Tel: (03) 9205 5734 Fax: (03) 8417 6602 Email: sarkerm@yarracity.vic.gov.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060622/3585f3a6/attachment.html From regina at wholechoice.net Fri Jun 23 13:08:40 2006 From: regina at wholechoice.net (Regina Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:08:40 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage In-Reply-To: <3D3C15ECB1F2E146B9EB48D1014F2FD802AB6F55@richexch.yarra.int> References: <3D3C15ECB1F2E146B9EB48D1014F2FD802AB6F55@richexch.yarra.int> Message-ID: <20060623035614.M99542@wholechoice.net> Dear Mohsin, You may already know of Michael Yeates, an architect in Brisbane, who's written a chapter dealing with bicycle lane marking and use in the book Planning for Cycling (ed. Hugh McClintock (2002), Woodhead Publishing, Cambridge).? The book itself is quite a resource. Best wishes, Gina Anderson -- Regina Therese Anderson, AICP Whole Choice - Movement for Health, Pedestrian Planning, Sustainability Singapore Phone ?+65 9733-1006 ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Sarker, Mohsin" To: Sent: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:44:56 +1000 Subject: [sustran] Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage > Hi all > We all know that there are many factors that effect bicycle usage. But I am interested to know the effect/impact of bicycle lane marking (beside automobile lanes) on the number of bicycle usage. I am looking for some evidence and data. If anyone can help me in this regard, it would be highly appreciated. > Thanks > Dr. Mohsin Sarker > Traffic Engineer > City of Yarra > PO Box 168, Richmond > Victoria, Australia 3121 > Tel:???? (03) 9205 5734 > Fax:??? (03) 8417 6602 > Email: sarkerm@yarracity.vic.gov.au ------- End of Original Message ------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060623/2615af46/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Jun 23 14:47:58 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.britton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:47:58 +0200 Subject: [sustran] A study on motorcycle-based motorization and traffic flow in Hanoi city Message-ID: <004301c69688$9c9cd3c0$6401a8c0@Home> In our new and very modest "beginning system" discussion space that you will see as the last line on the left menu of http://www.newmobility.org - a space which as you will recall has spun directly out of our exchanges and shared concerns here - you will see that we have added a 'latest news' link, which this morning spit out the following interesting piece (see http://library.witpress.com/pdfs/abstracts/AIR05/AIR05059AU.pdf for more). A study on motorcycle-based motorization and traffic flow in Hanoi city: toward urban air quality management T. Shimizu, A. T. Vu & H. M. Nguyen Department of Civil Engineering, The University of Tokyo, Japan Abstract Rapid motorcycle-based motorization due to the economic growth presents severe environmental issues in Hanoi city, Vietnam. This paper discusses the required policies and scientific research needed to move towards urban air quality management in Hanoi. The effect of the taxation system, the demand shift from motorcycle to bus, and signal systems that are easily implemented in the short term on the urban air quality are analyzed. The motorcycle taxation system has little effect on the regulation of the growth of ownership. Improvement of the bus service level does not lead to a great increase of bus share. The signal system cannot make the traffic flow more environment friendly. Therefore, the measures for decreasing emission factors by technological approaches such as inspection systems and attachment of a catalyst should be implemented urgently as well as the improvement of the signal system in Hanoi. Keywords: motorcycle penetration, modal shift, motorcycle traffic flow, air quality management. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060623/c1fb79f3/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Jun 23 16:53:35 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.britton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:53:35 +0200 Subject: [sustran] 249 communications on the topic of motorcycles in cities Message-ID: <000901c6969a$225c6b90$6401a8c0@Home> Sustran has over the last seven years received no less than 249 communications on the topic of motorcycles, which I think gives us some idea of the importance of these issues in our cities. The discussions are so interesting that we have put a one button link into our mcstdc section of the New Mobility Agenda (http://www.newmobility.org , bottom of left menu). For the record, our first entry on this was by John Ernst on Tue Nov 2, 1999. And also for the record, John, you, I and the basic unresolved, still even largely unaddressed problem, are still here. (Somebody remind me if this is good or bad news.) With all good wishes Eric Britton The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility E: contact@newmobility.org Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com EcoPlan International Innovation consultancy/advisory 9440 Readcrest Drive Los Angeles, CA 90210 Tel: +1 310 601-8468 E: contact@ecoplan.org Skype: ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060623/fdd590f9/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Jun 23 17:30:04 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.britton) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:30:04 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles & sustainable transport planning (copy of email of 11 April 2000) Message-ID: <002c01c6969f$3bef68f0$6401a8c0@Home> --- As I was making my way through the couple of hundred emails that we have exchanges on this subject here over the last seven years, I ran into this one of 10 April 2000, which I am pleased to forward to you now both by way of quick update and also to note that this topic has been around for some time and has not gotten the level of attention that it deserves. Oops! ---- Further to the numerous and most interesting (and in many ways quite discouraging) communications that we have had on this topic in the last months, I would like to share a few thoughts with the group, in the hope that it might open up a line of discussion and eventual action. The motorcycle side of things is certainly a monster problem area when it comes to making transport in cities sustainable in which the twain most definitely does not meet. And furthermore, it is one to which I think we have not yet seen enough focused attention in policy and practice circles. At least not on this side of the world. Thus, when we go about building up sustainable transportation strategies in cities here in, let's call it, the West, we are of course aware of "two-wheelers" -- but most of this usually takes the form of trying to figure out how we can get better at providing safe mobility for people on bicycles. Indeed our sustainable transportation paradigm in the West calls for more, and hopefully a lot more, people in bikes. That's part of the S/T gospel and entirely unquestioned as a laudable objective. And when we get around to motorized two-wheelers at all in our (relatively) cozy contexts here, it is usually with reference to some specific focused issues of safety (wear helmets, drive better, etc.) and, in a few places, noise. And that's it. But as we read all these reports from our colleagues and media articles from the Asia/Pacific region, I am once again reminded of the huge and critical differences in this respect. And while I have lived and worked in Third World cities, one tends to forget... or at least I do. Of course we are aware that the basic problem set that faces our planners and policy makers in Zurich, San Francisco and Bilbao is very different in many respects from those of KL, Manila or Bangkok. But this fact of mega-dependence on two-wheelers on the one hand -- further compounded by the prodigious rate at which motorcycles are now replacing human powered vehicles all over the place (whoosh!), and shift the whole new universe and scale of transport and environment related problems and issues that it brings in its wake... all makes it painfully clear that problem solving in your cities is going to require a whole new tool kit from that we have managed to build up thus far here in the West. So, here is the reality of the situation we face on April 11th, 2000. On the one hand the leading edge of sustainability thinking and practice until now has been here in Europe (with a bit of help from our friends in North America, though more often in theory than in practice), and while the toolkit is not as yet complete nor altogether 100% adequate for all the challenges we face here on this side of the world, it is nonetheless picking up momentum and beginning to do a pretty good job in a growing number of towns and cities. All that's well and good, but certainly no grounds for complacency or self-congratulation. Then there is the other reality. The problems and scales of the cities of the Third World, which are one or two orders of magnitude more challenging in just about any sense than anything we have had to deal with over here - which leads me to propose that we most probably have to get to work now to development a sustainable transportation philosophy and toolkit that is going to be apt and sufficient in the face of these challenges. Consider the example of our recent car-free day project in February in Bogot?. By many measures, it was quite a success. We managed to take something like 800,000 cars off the street and that, warts and all, accomplishments some truly laudable and useful results (see @World Car-Free at http://ecoplan. org/carfreeday/ for details) . But when it came the motorcycles.... well, for them we did nothing. Zero. Now in the case of Bogot?, that represents a real oversight but still one that is not so overwhelming that it would essentially negate the purpose of the whole thing we were trying to do. So I continue to be a real proponent of car free days as a useful tool and stepping stone toward sustainable transport, in certain contexts at least. But if we think of a car-free day in a place like Ho Chi Minh Ville here in the year 2000, what a poor joke it would be there. And that is only one example which I take based on personal experience. If we get the private cars off the streets of cities like this, what would we have accomplished? Not a whole hell of a lot. Ditto for carsharing (terrific tool though it is). Ditto for most of what goes by the name of traffic calming. Ditto for metros. Ditto for ITS. Ditto for letting technology and the market take care of the problem. This is not to say that "Sustainable Transport - Mach 1" as we might call it has no lessons or tools to propose. We have indeed learned a lot in the process and much of this can indeed find useful application in the new and greatly expanded toolkit for Third World cites that now has to be built up and put to work. But what is needed stretches way beyond all that. So, I guess that we have to get back to work on the sustainable transport paradigm, and start to develop a toolkit that is going to make sense and be useful in these other contexts. And what better place to begin to do this, than right here on good old Sustran. Eric Britton ecopl@n ___ technology, economy, society ___ Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara, 75006 Paris, France Eric.Britton@... URL www.ecoplan.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060623/b2b51ffc/attachment.html From majero at adb.org Fri Jun 23 19:52:55 2006 From: majero at adb.org (majero at adb.org) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:52:55 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Country Synthesis Reports on Urban Air Quality Management in Asia Message-ID: Dear All, The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) is coming up with Country Synthesis Reports (CSR) on Urban Air Quality Management in Asia to provide the general public as well as various air quality stakeholders within and outside Asia, a comprehensive overview of urban air quality status in Asia and its management. In order to understand the air quality problem and management systems in place in countries*, it is important to understand the economic development context and the key factors that influence the emission of air pollutants. The CSR, thus, will provide a synthesis of the status of air pollution and the air quality management practice and challenges in the different countries in Asia. It will cover discussion on status and drivers of urban air pollution, impacts of air pollution to various sectors (health, environment and economy), the air quality management framework in the national and local (city) levels, and the challenges that face the cities and the countries in implementiing and improving their existing AQM frameworks. It is intended that the CSR will first be presented to country AQM stakeholders during the Development Partners Meeting on UAQM in the different countries where CAI-Asia has existing local networks, then be presented and discussed in the First Governmental Meeting on Urban Air Quality Management in Asia in Yogyakarta on December 13-15, 2006. To come up with comprehensive and up-to date CSRs, we would like to enlist your help in the drafting of the CSRs by sending us published AQM-related documents/reports of your organizations, referring us to relevant websites and organizations in the various cities/countries, especially the contacts in the Ministry of Environment who are responsible for air quality management sending us AQ data/information, and or referring us to other organizations and individuals who are or have been recently engaged in AQM studies and may have the relevant AQ information that we need. We will also welcome volunteers who can help write the actual reports. Please send information or inquiries, if any, to majero@adb.org. Alternatively, you can also contact the CAI-Asia researcher assigned to the country you wish to send information on. Herbert Fabian, hfabian@adb.org for China, Korea, Malaysia, Mongolia and Pakistan. May Ajero, majero@adb.org for Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Laos and Nepal. Ninette Ramirez, nramirez@adb.org for Bhutan, India, Philippines and Thailand. Aurora Ables, aables@adb.org for Cambodia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Sri Lanka and Viet Nam. * CSRs will be drafted for the following: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, Korea, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Laos, Nepal, Malaysia, Mongolia, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Viet Nam. May Antoniette Y. Ajero Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel: (632) 632 4444 local 70836 Fax: (632) 636 2381 Email: majero@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/ From litman at vtpi.org Sat Jun 24 03:26:55 2006 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Alexander Litman) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:26:55 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060623111357.06a87ae8@mail.islandnet.com> A number of studies indicate that communities which improve cycling conditions, including bikelane development, experience significant increases in bicycle travel and related reductions in vehicle travel. Each mile of bikeway per 100,000 residents increases bicycle commuting 0.075 percent, all else being equal (Nelson and Allen, 1997). Dill and Carr (2003) find that for U.S. cities with more than 250,000 population, each additional mile of bike lanes per square mile is associated with a roughly one percentage point increase in bicycle commute mode share. Rietveld and Daniel (2004) find that bicycle transportation increases in cities where cycling is relatively easier (fewer hindrances along cycling routes) and safer, and as cycling is faster and cheaper relative to automobile travel. See the "Cycling Improvements" chapter of our Online TDM Encyclopedia (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm93.htm ). Bicyclepedia (www.bicyclinginfo.org/bikecost) is a bicycle facility benefit/cost analysis tool available free on the Internet. Jennifer Dill and Theresa Carr, "Bicycle Commuting and Facilities in Major U.S. Cities," Transportation Research Record 1828, Transportation Research Board (www.trb.org), 2003, pp. 116-123; available at www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/handy/ESP178/Dill_bike_facilities.pdf. Arthur Nelson and David Allen, "If You Build Them, Commuters Will Use Them; Cross-Sectional Analysis of Commuters and Bicycle Facilities," Transportation Research Record 1578, 1997, pp. 79-83. Piet Rietveld and Vanessa Daniel, "Determinants of Bicycle Use: Do Municipal Policies Matter?," Transportation Research A, Vol. 38, No. 7 (www.elsevier.com/locate/tra), August 2004, pp. 531-550. Best wishes, -Todd Litman At 04:36 PM 6/22/2006, Carlos F. Pardo wrote: >I haven't seen any of it, but I'm sure this is strictly related to >the cultural characteristics of a city or country. If you paint a >bicycle lane in (most of) Western Europe, you'll get many cars who >will not touch it. When you have bicycle lanes in Bogot? (very few >kms, because most of them are segregated cycleways) you see that >they're used some times for car parking. When you have them in NYC, >you'll be sure to see cars all over it (it's an important issue for >www.transalt.org ). So I suggest you >actually measure it in a "pilot area", if you have the possibility. >You should see the basics of traffic calming (the classic traffic >calming), where there sometimes have to be physical measures to lower speeds. > > >Best regards, > >Carlos F. Pardo >-----Original Message----- >From: Sarker, Mohsin [mailto:SarkerM@yarracity.vic.gov.au] >Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 05:44 PM >To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >Subject: [sustran] Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage > >Hi all > >We all know that there are many factors that effect bicycle usage. >But I am interested to know the effect/impact of bicycle lane >marking (beside automobile lanes) on the number of bicycle usage. I >am looking for some evidence and data. If anyone can help me in this >regard, it would be highly appreciated. > >Thanks > >Dr. Mohsin Sarker >Traffic Engineer >City of Yarra >PO Box 168, Richmond >Victoria, Australia 3121 >Tel: (03) 9205 5734 >Fax: (03) 8417 6602 >Email: sarkerm@yarracity.vic.gov.au > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, >the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. Sincerely, Todd Alexander Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060623/788e0c32/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.info Sat Jun 24 05:14:51 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060623111357.06a87ae8@mail.islandnet.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20060623111357.06a87ae8@mail.islandnet.com> Message-ID: <1116.62.245.95.24.1151093691.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Hi, It also cannot be said enough that the "chain is only as strong as its weakest link" which means bike parking/storage at home*, work and shopping, school etc; being able to take bikes on local PT and trains; reduced speed limits for allowed motor vehicles etc all have to be implemented or the finest bikepaths will literally go nowhere. T * I think good at-home bike parking is seriously neglected. Here in Prague I hear "I have no space for a bike in my flat!" all the time. > > A number of studies indicate that communities which improve cycling > conditions, including bikelane development, experience significant > increases in bicycle travel and related reductions in vehicle travel. > Each mile of bikeway per 100,000 residents increases bicycle > commuting 0.075 percent, all else being equal (Nelson and Allen, > 1997). Dill and Carr (2003) find that for U.S. cities with more than > 250,000 population, each additional mile of bike lanes per square > mile is associated with a roughly one percentage point increase in > bicycle commute mode share. Rietveld and Daniel (2004) find that > bicycle transportation increases in cities where cycling is > relatively easier (fewer hindrances along cycling routes) and safer, > and as cycling is faster and cheaper relative to automobile travel. > > See the "Cycling Improvements" chapter of our Online TDM Encyclopedia > (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm93.htm ). > > Bicyclepedia > (www.bicyclinginfo.org/bikecost) > is a bicycle facility benefit/cost analysis tool available free on > the Internet. > > Jennifer Dill and Theresa Carr, "Bicycle Commuting and Facilities in > Major U.S. Cities," Transportation Research Record 1828, > Transportation Research Board (www.trb.org), > 2003, pp. 116-123; available at > www.des.ucdavis.edu/faculty/handy/ESP178/Dill_bike_facilities.pdf. > > > Arthur Nelson and David Allen, "If You Build Them, Commuters Will Use > Them; Cross-Sectional Analysis of Commuters and Bicycle Facilities," > Transportation Research Record 1578, 1997, pp. 79-83. > > Piet Rietveld and Vanessa Daniel, "Determinants of Bicycle Use: Do > Municipal Policies Matter?," Transportation Research A, Vol. 38, No. > 7 (www.elsevier.com/locate/tra), > August 2004, pp. 531-550. > > > Best wishes, > -Todd Litman > > > At 04:36 PM 6/22/2006, Carlos F. Pardo wrote: >>I haven't seen any of it, but I'm sure this is strictly related to >>the cultural characteristics of a city or country. If you paint a >>bicycle lane in (most of) Western Europe, you'll get many cars who >>will not touch it. When you have bicycle lanes in Bogot? (very few >>kms, because most of them are segregated cycleways) you see that >>they're used some times for car parking. When you have them in NYC, >>you'll be sure to see cars all over it (it's an important issue for >>www.transalt.org ). So I suggest you >>actually measure it in a "pilot area", if you have the possibility. >>You should see the basics of traffic calming (the classic traffic >>calming), where there sometimes have to be physical measures to lower >> speeds. >> >> >>Best regards, >> >>Carlos F. Pardo >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sarker, Mohsin [mailto:SarkerM@yarracity.vic.gov.au] >>Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 05:44 PM >>To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >>Subject: [sustran] Effect of bicycle lane marking on bicycle usage >> >>Hi all >> >>We all know that there are many factors that effect bicycle usage. >>But I am interested to know the effect/impact of bicycle lane >>marking (beside automobile lanes) on the number of bicycle usage. I >>am looking for some evidence and data. If anyone can help me in this >>regard, it would be highly appreciated. >> >>Thanks >> >>Dr. Mohsin Sarker >>Traffic Engineer >>City of Yarra >>PO Box 168, Richmond >>Victoria, Australia 3121 >>Tel: (03) 9205 5734 >>Fax: (03) 8417 6602 >>Email: sarkerm@yarracity.vic.gov.au >> >> >> >> >>================================================================ >>SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, >>the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > Sincerely, > Todd Alexander Litman > Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) > litman@vtpi.org > Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 > 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA > "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity" > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus > is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Jun 24 15:41:56 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Administrative User) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:41:56 +0200 Subject: [sustran] China orders cities to restore bicycle lanes lost to car boom In-Reply-To: <1151116873.14250655.1182d923713c458a.90c52a0@persist.google.com> Message-ID: <006c01c69759$4ab50a60$6401a8c0@Home> Source: http://planetsave.com/ps_mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id =7350&Itemid=70 China orders cities to restore bicycle lanes lost to car boom PDF Print E-mail Written by AP Thursday, 15 June 2006 BEIJING (AP) _ Chinese cities that destroyed bike lanes to widen roads for cars or new buildings are being ordered to put the pathways back, the government said Thursday amid efforts to battle the choking smog and traffic brought on by booming car use. china bicycle.jpg A lone Chinese cyclist faces a traffic dominated by automobiles in Beijing, China, Thursday, June 15, 2006. Chinese cities that destroyed bike lanes to widen roads for cars or new buildings are being ordered to put the pathways back, the government said Thursday amid efforts to battle the choking smog and traffic brought on by booming car use. Qiu Baoxing, a vice minister with the Ministry of Construction said it was important that China retain its title "kingdom of bicycles," according to a report by the official Xinhua News Agency. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan) Qiu Baoxing, a vice minister with the Ministry of Construction said it was important that China retain its title ``kingdom of bicycles,'' according to a report by the official Xinhua News Agency. Qiu told an urban planning conference in Beijing on Wednesday that the ministry was firmly opposed to the elimination of bicycle lanes and has ordered cities to restore them, Xinhua said. The report estimated that China had 500 million bicycles in the late 1980s and said that the number had fallen dramatically as car ownership had expanded, but gave no specific figure. The report cited Qiu as saying that the number of motor vehicles on China's roads in 2004 was 20 times that of 1978, with that number expected to increase as much as five fold by 2020. In 2004 there were 27 million motor vehicles in China and that number could reach 130 million in 15 years, he said. Qiu's numbers appeared to include all motorized vehicles, including trucks, tractors and motorcycles, in addition to cars. The World Bank said in a report Wednesday that China had 16 million registered cars in 2004. China's rapid expansion of car use has brought the country severe pollution, snarled traffic and frequent deadly road accidents. The leadership says that cleaning up the environment and saving energy is among the top priorities for the next five years. 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I would like to hear from some people with direct experience at the Forum (Pascal?) and with the "real" applications of Sim City... - T ----- Forum ends with urban poor focus The World Urban Forum in Vancouver has closed with a call for developing countries to pay more attention to the problems of the urban poor. Excerpt: "With no real concluding statement or an expression of goals to be met before the next meeting in 2008, it's likely that the UN city summit will also be criticised as a talking shop and defended as a place to learn about how other are handling similar challenges." Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5112386.stm --- The Real Sim City The legendary computer game Sim City has been used as the basis for a new programme which is being used to project what the world's cities will look like in the future. Excerpt: Given the options, the sustainability experts using MetroQuest invariably selected to go for the expensive "best practices" - which made the city much more sound, but are options perhaps beyond the budget of the average city mayor. [...]....when the tool is used by people other than the gathered for the demonstraton, people are much more cautious. "Sustainable development cannot be defined academically - it is defined by the people living in the community,"... Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5105534.stm ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network From edelman at greenidea.info Sat Jun 24 22:18:15 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:18:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Two more good ones Re: Urban Forum Message-ID: <1313.62.245.95.24.1151155095.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Hi again, like the previous posts these are about style (how the Urban Forum did or didnt go about things the right way) AND content... which is they are going to all three of these lists... I dont think I will make any more postings on this... - T --- Viewpoints: The urban world in 2050 Intro: The world is fast approaching the point where the majority of the human population will be found in urban areas. The projection is that in 50 years' time, two-thirds of humanity will live in cities. Six experts outline their vision of the urban world in 2050. Excerpt: "The more we rely on advanced technologies, the more cities seem to grow" - Stephen Graham, human geographer and author of The Cybercities Reader Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5094602.stm *** Ideas struggle amid urban chatter Intro: During the closing speeches at the third World Urban Forum in Vancouver, one leading UN figure noted that critics would leave and announce that "nothing will be achieved" as a result of the forum. "They are wrong," he added with defiance. Excerpts: ...And, even better, they were ideas that really could make a difference. For example, there was the Swedish town that virtually powers itself, including its cars, on the biogas waste from the local slaughterhouse. AND... ... Meanwhile, from a completely different part of the world, the mayor of the Colombian capital, Bogota, told of just exactly what could be done with the real will to meet some of challenges of making cities sustainable. Faced with calls to upgrade and expand the city's road network, he argued such a move was unwarranted, as car usage is relatively low - only around 12% of the capital's people regularly drive. Instead, funds were put into a "car free city" and as a result, Bogota now has more cycle paths - 300km of them - than almost any other city in the world. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5112210.stm ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World "Car free" Network From sujit at vsnl.com Sun Jun 25 04:41:06 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 01:11:06 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Two more good ones Re: Urban Forum In-Reply-To: <1313.62.245.95.24.1151155095.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> References: <1313.62.245.95.24.1151155095.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0606241241h6f217d5dx6f5323efb82abd83@mail.gmail.com> 24 June 2006 Dear Todd, Thank you for sending some inspiring stuff. And please do continue sending more. -- Sujit On 6/24/06, Todd Edelman wrote: > > Hi again, like the previous posts these are about style (how the Urban > Forum did or didnt go about things the right way) AND content... which is > they are going to all three of these lists... I dont think I will make any > more postings on this... > > - T > > --- > > Viewpoints: The urban world in 2050 > > Intro: The world is fast approaching the point where the majority of the > human population will be found in urban areas. > > The projection is that in 50 years' time, two-thirds of humanity will live > in cities. Six experts outline their vision of the urban world in 2050. > > Excerpt: > "The more we rely on advanced technologies, the more cities seem to grow" > - > Stephen Graham, human geographer and author of The Cybercities Reader > > Full story: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5094602.stm > > *** > > Ideas struggle amid urban chatter > > Intro: During the closing speeches at the third World Urban Forum in > Vancouver, one leading UN figure noted that critics would leave and > announce that "nothing will be achieved" as a result of the forum. > > "They are wrong," he added with defiance. > > Excerpts: > > ...And, even better, they were ideas that really could make a difference. > > For example, there was the Swedish town that virtually powers itself, > including its cars, on the biogas waste from the local slaughterhouse. > > AND... > > ... Meanwhile, from a completely different part of the world, the mayor of > the Colombian capital, Bogota, told of just exactly what could be done > with the real will to meet some of challenges of making cities > sustainable. > > Faced with calls to upgrade and expand the city's road network, he argued > such a move was unwarranted, as car usage is relatively low - only around > 12% of the capital's people regularly drive. > > Instead, funds were put into a "car free city" and as a result, Bogota now > has more cycle paths - 300km of them - than almost any other city in the > world. > > Full story: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5112210.stm > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Todd Edelman > Director > Green Idea Factory > > ++420 605 915 970 > > edelman@greenidea.info > http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain > > Green Idea Factory, > a member of World "Car free" Network > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060625/d0443d18/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Jun 26 17:16:58 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric.britton) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:16:58 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Kyoto promises are nothing but hot air Message-ID: <00b801c698f8$e80152b0$6401a8c0@Home> Kyoto promises are nothing but hot air http://www.insnet.org/ins_headlines.rxml?cust=1001&id=2963&url=http://ww w.newscientist.com/article/mg19025574.000-kyoto-promises-are-nothing-but -hot-air.html MANY governments, including some that claim to be leading the fight against global warming, are harbouring a dirty little secret. These countries are emitting far more greenhouse gas than they say they are, a fact that threatens to undermine not only the shaky Kyoto protocol but also the new multibillion-dollar market in carbon trading. Under Kyoto, each government calculates how much carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide its country emits by adding together estimated emissions from individual sources. These so-called "bottom-up" estimates have long been accepted by atmospheric scientists, even though they have never been independently audited. Now two teams that have monitored concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere say they have convincing evidence that the figures reported by many countries are wrong, especially for methane. Among the worst offenders are the UK, which may be emitting 92 per cent more methane than it declares under the Kyoto protocol, and France, which may be emitting 47 per cent more. Peter Bergamaschi of the European Commission Joint Research Centre at Ispra, Italy, used an alternative "top-down" technique to study emissions across Europe. His technique is to measure in detail how concentrations of greenhouse gases vary across the globe. Levels are generally higher near major sources such as industrial centres, and when weather conditions trap the pollution. They are lower near natural "sinks" such as cold areas of ocean. Concentrations can also vary widely depending on factors such as the weather. Over London, for example, methane levels vary from 1800 parts per billion (ppb), the global background level, on windy days to upwards of 3000 ppb when local emissions from landfills and gas pipelines are trapped by cold night air. By measuring these differences and tracking air movements, the scientists say they can calculate a country's emissions independently of government estimates. Bergamaschi's calculations suggest that the UK emitted 4.21 million tonnes of methane in 2004 compared to the 2.19 million tonnes it declared, while France emitted 4.43 million tonnes compared to the 3.01 million tonnes it declared. Methane is an extremely powerful greenhouse gas. While it persists in the atmosphere for only one-tenth as long as CO2, its immediate warming effect, tonne for tonne, is around 100 times greater. According to some estimates, methane is responsible for a third of current global warming, and reductions in methane emissions may be the quickest and cheapest way of slowing climate change. Bergamaschi's figures are based on real atmospheric measurements that integrate emissions over large areas. While he admits that they cannot be entirely accurate, they are free from some of the sources of error that apply to national declared figures, which are based on uncertain extrapolations from sites such as landfills, whose emissions are highly variable. During the course of Bergamaschi's study, the German government revised its estimate of national methane emissions upwards by some 70 per cent, placing it close to his estimate. The British and French governments continue to stick with their low estimates. Bergamaschi told New Scientist that the UK appears to be badly under-reporting methane bubbling out of landfill sites, while France's emissions seem to be generally under-reported. On the other hand, Ireland and Finland may be overestimating emissions from peat bogs. Bergamaschi's calculations are supported by a similar study led by Euan Nisbet of Royal Holloway University of London, who is a member of the Global Atmosphere Watch (GAW), a network of atmospheric scientists organised by the UN's World Meteorological Organization. Nisbet estimates that methane emissions in the London area in the late 1990s were 40 to 80 per cent higher than declared by the government at the time. Both scientists believe that countries outside Europe are also likely to be under-reporting their emissions, and that the problem is global. "We know the total global emissions well enough, but individual national numbers may be badly out. Some are too big and some are too small," Nisbet says. In the past, he says, estimates of greenhouse gas emissions were inaccurate simply because of the difficulty of measuring them, but that may have changed. "Now that money enters the picture, with the Kyoto protocol rules and carbon trading, so also can fraud. There will be an incentive to under-report emissions." Nisbet, Bergamaschi and other scientists now want to create a global system for auditing emissions claims by directly measuring concentrations of greenhouse gases in the air. Most existing monitoring sites are intended to measure background gas levels in clean ocean and mountain air. The oldest and most famous is on top of Mauna Loa in Hawaii, where US researcher David Keeling first proved half a century ago that CO2 levels in the air were rising. The network now run by GAW is far from comprehensive: it includes just one station in China, sited on the relatively unpolluted Tibetan plateau, while India's sole site is in the unpolluted mountainous Ladakh region. There is no continuous monitoring in inland Africa, and only a few stations in South America and south-east Asia. Yet these regions support more than half the world's population and are responsible for a growing proportion of its greenhouse gas emissions. Some western governments, say the scientists, have been reluctant to set up permanent monitoring stations. "Of all the G8 nations, the UK does the least," says Nisbet, who runs the only permanent monitoring point in England, from his lab near Egham, on the south-western fringes of London. The longest-running CO2 monitoring point on British soil, in the Shetland Islands, was run by Australia till 2001 and is now funded by Germany. France runs a network of monitors on its remote island territories round the world, but the UK government refuses pleas for it to do likewise on territories such as Ascension Island or South Georgia in the remote South Atlantic, or the Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean. The European Union recently shut down its pioneering programme of measuring atmospheric methane across the continent. "Ironically, the best monitoring is done by the US and Australia, which are both in denial over Kyoto," Nisbet says. The GAW scientists say that a global greenhouse gas monitoring network should provide open access to the information it collects. Only then, they say, will it be possible to do independent calculations to discover who is emitting what, and test which countries are complying with Kyoto and making accurate claims about their emissions. Until such a network is in place, it will be all too easy for nations such as the UK to talk green while acting dirty. >From issue 2557 of New Scientist magazine, 22 June 2006, page 10 Sins of Omission? The most alarming failure of greenhouse gas emissions reporting is thought to have occurred in China, the world's second largest emitter. In the late 1990s, when its economy was growing by 10 per cent a year, the Chinese government reported a dramatic fall in CO2 emissions to the UN climate change convention. It declared that, after a long period of steep increases, emissions had fallen from 911 million tonnes of carbon a year in 1996 to 757 million tonnes in 2000, a drop of 17 per cent. China said the fall in emissions was achieved by burning less coal, an assessment it based on a decline in coal production. Some analysts praised the country for using coal more efficiently, but that picture was called into doubt when declared coal production and emissions estimates resumed their fast rise. Estimates for 2004 put China's CO2 emissions above 1200 million tonnes. Most analysts now conclude that the drop in emissions was entirely illusory. It coincided with major changes in the organisation of the Chinese coal industry, which replaced state targets with a market system. "Emissions figures before 1996 were inflated because mine officials had production targets to meet, and declared they had met them when they had not," one analyst told New Scientist. By 2000, this effect had gone, and "subsequent figures for CO2 emissions are probably more accurate as a result." While the Chinese government may not have intentionally misled the international community over its emissions at the time, the incident reveals how easy it could be to fiddle official figures. Source: New Scientist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060626/8aac07bf/attachment.html From ericbruun at earthlink.net Tue Jun 27 05:46:15 2006 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:46:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [sustran] Re: Why are we doing so poorly? Message-ID: <28888473.1151354775551.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Eric (Britton): The US TRB is a politically sensitive creature. Consider the funding source. When it makes special reports it strives to include a spectrum of opinion. It will never leave out the mainstream opinion but sometimes leaves out environmentalist opinion. As for generalizations John Whitelegg makes about the products of the US university system, we don't all buy into the same ideas. Both Daryl and I went to school in the US and we don't think at all alike, to give an obvious example. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Oster >Sent: Jun 12, 2006 5:24 PM >To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' >Subject: [sustran] Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? > >Eric, > >BTW, as an experienced farmer who has had the occasion of being in the >bottom of a hole with only the shovel that made the hole. This happened to >me while cleaning sediment out of deep irrigation structures. I can assure >you that it is possible to "dig one's self out of a hole". When doing this, >there is a likelihood of burying ones self while making the controlled >cave-ins necessary to build a ramp to the surface. It helps to recognize >the situation before the hole is too deep. > >BTW, in most measures we are NOT "doing so poorly", and the improvement in >living condition in China IS partially blamed on Americans -- we were very >well received wherever we went, and the people would convey many stories on >their improved lives -- many of these related to cars and jets, and vastly >improved travel. > >Daryl Oster >(c) 2006? all rights reserved.? ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" >e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service marks >of et3.com Inc.? For licensing information contact:?POB 1423, Crystal River >FL 34423-1423? (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org >> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of >> Eric.Britton >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:58 PM >> To: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org >> Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Whitelegg [mailto:John.Whitelegg@phonecoop.coop] >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:42 PM >> To: Eric.Britton; WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com; >> NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com >> Cc: John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org >> Subject: Re: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? >> >> >> >> Eric, >> >> >> >> Your comments are "spot on" but the situation is even worse. When i >> worked in China last year the Chinese experts constantly looked to the US >> for guidance. It slowly dawned on me that this was quite simple. All the >> English speaking (very) senior transport experts, engineers and >> politicians were educated at US graduate school and they buy into this. >> That is why Beijing will have 10 ring roads (up from 5) in the next few >> years >> >> >> >> plus ca change >> >> >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Eric.Britton >> >> To: WorldCarShare@yahoogroups.com ; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com >> >> Cc: 'John.Whitelegg' ; >> John.Holtzclaw@sierraclub.org >> >> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:55 AM >> >> Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we doing so poorly? >> >> >> >> Subject: Transport in cities: Why are we so desperately off target? >> Doing so poorly in the States? (And everywhere else in the world where >> our examples and perspectives spill over) >> >> >> >> ?Critical Issues in Transportation?, Transportation Research Board, >> Washington D.C., 2006. www.trb.org (report attached) >> >> >> >> This much ballyhooed report of the US Transportation Research Board >> prepared by some of the most brilliant thinkers and practitioners in the >> United States under the title ?Critical Issues in Transportation? just >> slipped under the door here. Hmm. >> >> >> >> I have been looking at policy and practice in our sector for quite >> some time, and try hard to follow the main lines of developments and >> thinking to the extent possible around the world. Which means I read quite >> a lot. But through it all I continue to be puzzled as to why in the States >> in particular we seem to be so far off target when it comes to transport >> in cities with the generally pretty grotesque results that we have, >> whether from the vantage of social equity, economics or sheer systemic >> (in-)efficiency. As I read through this report and its selected target >> areas and recommendations, it suddenly become very clear to me what the >> basic problem is. >> >> >> >> What we have here are the collected group thoughts of a selection of >> America?s leading ?transportation experts?, strong as anyone in the world >> in engineering and construction in all the basic modal areas to which they >> give attention? but have a closer look. There is not a single meaningful >> point made about what brings all of us here together: the fundamentals of >> how people get around and access what they need in cities. Which means to >> me that this piece, useful as it surely is in its overall domain, has all >> of the relevance to us as a book of recipes explaining how we prepare deep >> fried foods in Mississippi. >> >> >> >> Worse. Since it carries with it a title and a whole series of >> implications that this is the way you should ?do? transportation ? >> implicitly by title anywhere, cities included ? it creates and reinforces >> the basic mindset that is 100% central to the problems we are facing and >> trying to resolve in cities today. In summary: build your way out of the >> problems. Dig your way out of the hole. >> >> >> >> Is the altogether incorrect? Unfair? Useless as an observation? >> >> >> >> I guess that is why we try to call it ?New Mobility? and not >> ?transportation?. We are trying to draw a clear line between these two >> markedly different worlds of policy and practice. Otherwise . . . >> >> >> >> Eric Britton . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Fri Jun 30 19:05:43 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:05:43 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001024AAA46@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> I'm doing a bit of digging on this for a current job. See for example this quote - "The Chief Minister has rejected the proposal for reducing any taxes for [Bus Undertaking] as if it is allowed to [Bus Undertaking] then it has to be allowed to all the city transport undertakings in [State], which will result in loss of revenue to the Government." In the developed world, it is generally accepted that buses and other public transport are worthy of financial support by reduced tax burdens, subsidies or both (even in post-Thatcherite Britain!). These may be user subsidies (e.g. payments to carry older people at reduced fares), or direct subsidies by negotiation, tender or franchise (or by blanket subsidy to a state-owned operator), or relief from, e.g., fuel tax. This logic seems much less accepted in developing countries, for a variety of reasons that I can think of. 1. Lack of funds 2. Higher PT demand, thus less financial need for support 3. Less acute road congestion, so less environmental need for support. 4. Resistance on the part of treasuries and/or World Bank etc. to the idea of revenue (rather than capital) support. Yet financial support for PT services would often offer better value, economically and/or environmentally (let alone socially), than the major capital road projects that still seem to go ahead in many developing countries. Any comments on this? Are there developing countries that disprove my assumptions? Could it sometimes be the case that funding for capital programmes can be got from WB etc, while revenue support has to come from domestic sources - therefore the roads get built and the buses go unsupported? 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060630/1ffed3a4/attachment.html From SCHIPPER at wri.org Fri Jun 30 21:34:25 2006 From: SCHIPPER at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:34:25 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries Message-ID: Less road congestion in Developing Countries? >>> Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk 6/30/2006 6:05 AM >>> I'm doing a bit of digging on this for a current job. See for example this quote - "The Chief Minister has rejected the proposal for reducing any taxes for [Bus Undertaking] as if it is allowed to [Bus Undertaking] then it has to be allowed to all the city transport undertakings in [State], which will result in loss of revenue to the Government." In the developed world, it is generally accepted that buses and other public transport are worthy of financial support by reduced tax burdens, subsidies or both (even in post-Thatcherite Britain!). These may be user subsidies (e.g. payments to carry older people at reduced fares), or direct subsidies by negotiation, tender or franchise (or by blanket subsidy to a state-owned operator), or relief from, e.g., fuel tax. This logic seems much less accepted in developing countries, for a variety of reasons that I can think of. 1. Lack of funds 2. Higher PT demand, thus less financial need for support 3. Less acute road congestion, so less environmental need for support. 4. Resistance on the part of treasuries and/or World Bank etc. to the idea of revenue (rather than capital) support. Yet financial support for PT services would often offer better value, economically and/or environmentally (let alone socially), than the major capital road projects that still seem to go ahead in many developing countries. Any comments on this? Are there developing countries that disprove my assumptions? Could it sometimes be the case that funding for capital programmes can be got from WB etc, while revenue support has to come from domestic sources - therefore the roads get built and the buses go unsupported? 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From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Fri Jun 30 21:57:00 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:57:00 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001024AAAD0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> See #3? -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Lee Schipper Sent: 30 June 2006 13:34 To: Alan Howes; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries Less road congestion in Developing Countries? >>> Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk 6/30/2006 6:05 AM >>> I'm doing a bit of digging on this for a current job. See for example this quote - "The Chief Minister has rejected the proposal for reducing any taxes for [Bus Undertaking] as if it is allowed to [Bus Undertaking] then it has to be allowed to all the city transport undertakings in [State], which will result in loss of revenue to the Government." In the developed world, it is generally accepted that buses and other public transport are worthy of financial support by reduced tax burdens, subsidies or both (even in post-Thatcherite Britain!). These may be user subsidies (e.g. payments to carry older people at reduced fares), or direct subsidies by negotiation, tender or franchise (or by blanket subsidy to a state-owned operator), or relief from, e.g., fuel tax. This logic seems much less accepted in developing countries, for a variety of reasons that I can think of. 1. Lack of funds 2. Higher PT demand, thus less financial need for support 3. Less acute road congestion, so less environmental need for support. 4. Resistance on the part of treasuries and/or World Bank etc. to the idea of revenue (rather than capital) support. Yet financial support for PT services would often offer better value, economically and/or environmentally (let alone socially), than the major capital road projects that still seem to go ahead in many developing countries. Any comments on this? Are there developing countries that disprove my assumptions? Could it sometimes be the case that funding for capital programmes can be got from WB etc, while revenue support has to come from domestic sources - therefore the roads get built and the buses go unsupported? Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........ 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We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From whook at itdp.org Fri Jun 30 23:02:28 2006 From: whook at itdp.org (Walter Hook) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001024AAAD0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <054b01c69c4d$d3285b10$c301a8c0@DFJLYL81> At the end of the day, there is little evidence in developing countries that operating subsidies to bus systems lead to better service over the long run, mainly because the lack of transparency and accountability of subsidized enterprises. There may be mechanisms for one-time capital subsidies for fleet modernization, but so far these have in practice not proven to be very successful either. Bus rapid transit seems to offer the best way to spend public money on bus services, with the public capital focused mainly on bus infrastructure. Perhaps ultimately, given the chronic shortage of equitable and transparent mechanisms of collecting government revenue, particularly in Africa, the better approach would be to consider imposing higher road user fees and congestion charging on all vehicles. -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Alan Howes Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:57 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries See #3? -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Lee Schipper Sent: 30 June 2006 13:34 To: Alan Howes; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Subsidy and Tax regimes, Buses in developing countries Less road congestion in Developing Countries? >>> Alan.Howes@cbuchanan.co.uk 6/30/2006 6:05 AM >>> I'm doing a bit of digging on this for a current job. See for example this quote - "The Chief Minister has rejected the proposal for reducing any taxes for [Bus Undertaking] as if it is allowed to [Bus Undertaking] then it has to be allowed to all the city transport undertakings in [State], which will result in loss of revenue to the Government." In the developed world, it is generally accepted that buses and other public transport are worthy of financial support by reduced tax burdens, subsidies or both (even in post-Thatcherite Britain!). These may be user subsidies (e.g. payments to carry older people at reduced fares), or direct subsidies by negotiation, tender or franchise (or by blanket subsidy to a state-owned operator), or relief from, e.g., fuel tax. This logic seems much less accepted in developing countries, for a variety of reasons that I can think of. 1. Lack of funds 2. Higher PT demand, thus less financial need for support 3. Less acute road congestion, so less environmental need for support. 4. Resistance on the part of treasuries and/or World Bank etc. to the idea of revenue (rather than capital) support. Yet financial support for PT services would often offer better value, economically and/or environmentally (let alone socially), than the major capital road projects that still seem to go ahead in many developing countries. Any comments on this? Are there developing countries that disprove my assumptions? Could it sometimes be the case that funding for capital programmes can be got from WB etc, while revenue support has to come from domestic sources - therefore the roads get built and the buses go unsupported? Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ........ 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We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia.