From roadnotes at freenet.de Thu Aug 3 00:24:15 2006 From: roadnotes at freenet.de (Robert Bartlett) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:24:15 +0200 Subject: [sustran] transport in Peru Message-ID: <44D0C39F.8030704@freenet.de> For anyone who'se interested I've just produced a document on transport in Peru (35 pages, 2 video clips, 3.7MB). Articles include: ZEE - the missing tool for NMT The author is Gregorio Villacorta Alegria (Peru), a graduate with a degree in Civil Engineering living in San Martin Department Use of GIS in Peru The author is Ing. Vladimir Garc?a Paz The Inca Highways The text is an edited version based on the detail by Vicente Goyzueta on http://www.qosqo.com/qosqo/planning.htm Rural Highways: Constructing A Social Economy by Nadiejda Quintana Vassallo (Peru), Economist, and a graduate of the University of Lima, Per?. Regards, Robert Bartlett From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 3 16:05:04 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:05:04 +0200 Subject: [sustran] transport in Peru - videos In-Reply-To: <44D0C39F.8030704@freenet.de> Message-ID: <004f01c6b6cb$26a7b820$6401a8c0@Home> Robert Bartlett wrote on this date . . . "transport in Peru (35 pages, 2 video clips, 3.7MB)". It would be great if we could get the video clips onto the Global South Mobility Video Library at http://www.youtube.com/group/globalsouth. If you have any trouble uploading them let me known and I can try to lend a hand. But I think it should be no problem. ericbritton PS. And yes, this is an open invitation to the rest of you to continue first to go have a look for yourselves (there are at preset 68 videos there - but only 8 members thus far so come join us). And yes too! It would be great to have your videos as well -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060803/ddb040d8/attachment.html From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Thu Aug 3 17:44:46 2006 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:44:46 +0800 Subject: [sustran] 'Naked streets' and safe chaos In-Reply-To: <010e01c66872$31316900$c301a8c0@DFJLYL81> Message-ID: This is a follow-up to an old sustran-discuss thread that began in April (as [sustran] FW: Traffic in India) when I posted a link to a video of a chaotic looking Indian intersection. It provoked debate on the merits of traffic discipline versus chaos and later moved on to some other related issues. All of this resonates with debates about shared space or naked streets approaches to streets and the public realm. Then I noticed the proliferation of what you might call 'traffic exotica' video clips on the GlobalSouth group at YouTube. This got me thinking about this issue again - and if or how shared space idea might apply to lower income cities. So I decided to blog about it - with more questions than answers I must admit. See http://urbantransportasia.blogspot.com/2006/08/naked-streets-and-safe-ch aos.html The entry is called: 'Naked streets' and safe chaos And it begins: "I recommend taking a look at YouTube's GlobalSouth group which has more than 60 short videos now on transport in developing countries. A striking number of the videos are simply footage of streets or intersections in countries like India, China or Vietnam. Most of them show traffic that at first glance looks completely and utterly CRAZY, often with a mind-boggling diversity of road users doing anything and everything you could imagine." Feedback welcome. I am sure some of you may know a lot more about this than I do. Paul From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Mon Aug 7 10:37:22 2006 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:37:22 +0800 Subject: [sustran] resend: Shared space and safe chaos Message-ID: I am resending this because the use of a 'naughty' word in the original subject line caused it to be rejected by many of your email servers! Apologies to those who are getting it for a second time. Paul ------- This is a follow-up to an old sustran-discuss thread that began in April (as [sustran] FW: Traffic in India) when I posted a link to a video of a chaotic looking Indian intersection. It provoked debate on the merits of traffic discipline versus chaos and later moved on to some other related issues. All of this resonates with debates about shared space approaches to streets and the public realm. Then I noticed the proliferation of what you might call 'traffic exotica' video clips on the GlobalSouth group at YouTube. This got me thinking about this issue again - and if or how the shared space idea might apply to lower income cities. So I decided to blog about it - with more questions than answers I must admit. See http://tinyurl.com/jvqf2 The entry is called: 'Na*ed streets' and safe chaos and it begins: "I recommend taking a look at YouTube's GlobalSouth group which has more than 60 short videos now on transport in developing countries. A striking number of the videos are simply footage of streets or intersections in countries like India, China or Vietnam. Most of them show traffic that at first glance looks completely and utterly CRAZY, often with a mind-boggling diversity of road users doing anything and everything you could imagine." Feedback welcome. I am sure some of you may know a lot more about this than I do. Paul From c_bradshaw at rogers.com Mon Aug 7 23:37:05 2006 From: c_bradshaw at rogers.com (Chris Bradshaw) Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:37:05 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: resend: Shared space and safe chaos References: Message-ID: <028c01c6ba30$ec919c00$d7572b18@slnt.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Paul, Sharing = chaos = reduced speeds. Further to my followup on CURBBBBs, I can now point to a local implementation of this concept. Here in Ottawa in the mid-1980s, we took at six-lane commercial downtown street, Rideau Street, and made it a transit mall, with only one lane in each direction, exclusively for buses. The extra space was converted to wider sidewalks along a two-block section to accommodate h-u-g-e transit shelters and provide the same climate-controlled environment as the just-built Rideau Centre three-level mall provided in the area adjacent. These shelters masked the heritage facade of the buildings they were fronting and attracted "certain elements" to the spaces to hang out, including dealing drugs. Certain stores facing on the street -- who had demanded the construction of the shelter system in the first place -- now demanded that they be dismantled. They wanted "their street back" and they wanted a second lane on each side for motor traffic. After fighting over whom should pay for the work (not to mention paying the bills left over from the shelter's original construction), the switch was made in the mid-90s. The four-lane compromise left a problem for accommodating cyclists. The transit authority didn't want them in their exclusive lane along the curbs (although taxis were belatedly allowed), so the planners provided for them to ride in the centre of the two mixed traffic lanes adjacent to the centreline. Using international signage principles (popular here, since we are a French and English city, as well as a capital city, with lots of embassies within a kilometre), the lane has overhead signs with a cyclist on a bike surrounded by a thick green circle (meaning permitted). It is not on the right side of the lane, but over its centre. Even though the term CURBBBBB (Cars Under Restraint for Bikes, Boards, Blades, and Bus Boardings) wasn't coined at that time -- and the lane is not near the curb or used only by cyclists -- it works. For four blocks (about 0.4 km), drivers know to slow down when appraoching a cyclist from behind, and the cyclists have learned to go a little faster than usual, and to "take the lane" (riding in the centre) for the duration. My wife and I just moved to this part of town, and for the first time I find myself using it regularly on my new Brompton folding bike (I have used folding bikes exclusively for 36 years, but decided in June to treat myself to the best of the lot -- their virtues are worthy of a "'thread" on this listserv). Chris Bradshaw Ottawa From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 8 13:53:19 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:53:19 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Metro Rails: where's the money? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003401c6baa6$93649da0$6401a8c0@Home> Metro Rails: where's the money? Bus Rapid Transit makes more financial sense as an urban transport system RAMESH RAMANATHAN Posted online: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 at 0000 hours IST http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=136535 E Sreedharan, the driving force behind the Delhi Metro, is a living legend-a remarkable engineer. He delivered the Delhi Metro on time, within cost, and as a example of how public infrastructure ought to be built. In a country parched for projects that move from conception to delivery with no glitches, he is a shining example of how to do it right. Unfortunately, Sreedharan is not a magician. No matter what he does, he can't make the Delhi Metro's financials work, because the numbers don't add up. Phase 1 cost Rs 10,000 crore for 64 km - a whopping Rs 150 crore/km. With 66% debt financing, interest cost at 8% works out to Rs 550 crore p.a. And principal repayment would be Rs 500-600 crore p.a., assuming a 10-15 year repayment period. Where are the revenues coming from? Last year, the Metro had operating revenues (i.e. from passengers) of Rs 113 crore. Operating expenditures were Rs 102 crore, leaving barely Rs 10 crore as surplus before interest. And one other painful item: depreciation. When you build a Rs 10,000crore asset, depreciation can really start hurting. This was Rs 200 crore last year, but will balloon . Which means that the Metro is suffering massive losses, even before interest expenses, forget principal repayment. There is no way the Delhi Metro can generate surpluses. Ever. The only solution to this fiscal problem is to find alternative sources of financing, which is what Delhi Metro has done. They are now developing real estate-a six-hectare property at Shastri Park, 93 acre at Khyber Pass, etc. Last year, one-time income from real estate came to Rs 300 crore, almost three times that which the Delhi Metro was originally set up for, mass transit. The reality: Metro Rail projects are financial white elephants. Who is lending to Metro projects? The biggest - and, possibly, only - lender so far has been the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC). They financed Delhi Metro over Rs 4,000 crore, and have completed due diligence on phase 2 - debt of another Rs 4,000 crore. There is no public data available on JBIC's rationale for lending to Metro projects. Strangely, just as the financial hole of Delhi Metro is increasing, the Metro bandwagon is moving across the country. Bangalore has just launched its Metro project, Mumbai followed suit a month later, Hyderabad and Chennai are busy preparing detailed project reports. If the numbers are so bad, why are cities interested in these projects? Actually, it is not the city governments that get to decide (topic for another debate) but their state governments. There are a number of reasons. Urban testosterone for one; metros have become a status symbol. But there are many other factors at play, which make the Metro lobby a force to reckon with. A World Bank report on urban transport in India states that our urban transport approach is "supply-oriented, and traffic growth-biased. It conflicts with the principles outlined in the government urban transport policy statement in a number of ways. In the short term, it neglects the mobility of low-income and poor travelers, especially the non-motorised one..(and) ..favors the most capital-intensive public transport modes (metros and other urban railways) which may not be warranted by either traffic density and passengers' ability to pay, or their budget capacity to pay subsidies in perpetuity." Quick Take . Delhi Metro is suffering huge losses. And no way can it generate surpluses . The only solution is to look for alternative sources of financing . A Bus Rapid Transit system is possibly a more viable transport alternative What is preventing urban transport alternatives from emerging in India? One key reason, indeed the first reason, the World Bank report suggests is that these alternative proposals run counter to "the formidable urban rail lobby", among others. But are there alternatives? Clearly, we need mass transport systems in our cities - private cars and two-wheelers are already choking the streets, and barely provide 20% of the total travel needs even today. One possible alternative is Bus-Rapid-Transit (BRT). Across the world, there is increasing support for BRTs. Remarkable scaled up solutions have emerged, none better than in Bogota and Curitiba in South America. A report prepared by Seema Parekh ,et al for 'India Urban Space', a conference on challenges in urban India, states: "Bogota today boasts of a world-class Bus Rapid Transit system of dedicated bus lanes called TransMilenio; Latin America's largest network of bicycle ways called ciclo-rutas 150 miles long; world's longest pedestrian-only street spanning 10.2 miles, hundreds of miles of sidewalks many through the city's poorest neighborhoods; and the world's biggest Car-Free Day (dia sin carro), during which private vehicles are not allowed to enter the entire city of 135 square miles." Importantly, from a financial standpoint, the infrastructure was built at a cost of about $5.3 million per km (Rs 20 crore, or one-sixth of Delhi Metro). As a result, "TransMilenio requires no operating subsidies and earns substantial profits for its operators." BRT systems make more financial sense than Metros. Ahmedabad seems to think so - it is the first Indian city to go for BRT. Jaipur, Indore and others are also moving in this direction. An alternative is emerging. Beyond finances, any urban transport system fundamentally defines the destiny of a city for decades, just by virtue of its impact. It is critical, therefore, that these decisions be integrated into an overall plan. Swati Ramanathan of Janaagraha says: "Introducing any rapid transit system without developing a Master Plan with integrated transport as a component is like putting the cart before the horse." Most public policy decisions are like icebergs. Urban transport choices are no different. For those who want to improve the quality of the public debate on this issue, the Achilles heel of Metro Rail systems is their finances. Sorry, Mr Sreedharan--I still think you are great engineer. -The writer is founder of Janaagraha,which aims at reforms in urban governance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060808/d9aef2f9/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 43 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060808/d9aef2f9/attachment.gif From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 8 18:15:58 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:58 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Last minute notice of a radio interview on cities and transport in Eastern Europe Message-ID: <009c01c6bacb$441b6010$6401a8c0@Home> For anyone who happens to be next to their computer today at noon, Paris and Ljubiana time, you may want to thinking about tuning in to an interview led by Matej Praprotnik of Radio Slovenia, discussing how if at all the New Mobility Agenda might be of use in Slovenia and its cities at a time of fast growth and a decided penchant for cars. Here are the five questions that he asks and to which I try to respond: 1. It is interesting to see a change in perception of the car. Once it was a family dream now it is a personal need, a status symbol. Perhaps carsharing is a solution for that problem, but the idea is still rare among Slovenes. 2. I'd say that none of Slovene cities has been familiar with the New Mobility Agenda. Local elections are ahead; perhaps this is an ideal time to talk about long-term traffic solutions. Which world cities are already successful in implementing new mobility agenda? 3. In our radio programme we suggested carpooling as one of possible measures to avoid traffic jams, actually we suggested a ban on one-person cars during peak hours. Could that work or is it a stupid suggestion? 4. In general people we interviewed agreed there are too many "driver only" cars, however, they were reluctant to think of any restrictions. They also disagreed with a peak hour restriction based on plate numbers such as in Sao Paulo, Brazil. "Such restrictive policy has no place in democracy", they say. You surely disagree with that? 5. Most common strategy to cut down heavy traffic is by building new roads. We are used to hear we need new roads. If there's an alternative to a car, is there an alternative to building new roads. You can pick up the program via http://www.rtvslo.si/val202 (Radio Slovenia 2 - home page) - and there you will see on the upper left menu an icon representing a loud speaker with the caption POSLU?AJ . Easy enough. The interview is, I am told, in Slovenian but with an easy to follow English track in the background. We need to be lending a hand in these glorious, under attack cities of the former Bloc countries. If we don't who will, eh? Eric Britton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060808/58131776/attachment.html From schipper at wri.org Tue Aug 8 18:45:33 2006 From: schipper at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:45:33 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? Message-ID: Nice example of what can be done with OPM -- Other Peoples' Money! >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 08/08/06 12:53 AM >>> Metro Rails: where's the money? Bus Rapid Transit makes more financial sense as an urban transport system RAMESH RAMANATHAN Posted online: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 at 0000 hours IST http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=136535 E Sreedharan, the driving force behind the Delhi Metro, is a living legend-a remarkable engineer. He delivered the Delhi Metro on time, within cost, and as a example of how public infrastructure ought to be built. In a country parched for projects that move from conception to delivery with no glitches, he is a shining example of how to do it right. Unfortunately, Sreedharan is not a magician. No matter what he does, he can't make the Delhi Metro's financials work, because the numbers don't add up. Phase 1 cost Rs 10,000 crore for 64 km - a whopping Rs 150 crore/km. With 66% debt financing, interest cost at 8% works out to Rs 550 crore p.a. And principal repayment would be Rs 500-600 crore p.a., assuming a 10-15 year repayment period. Where are the revenues coming from? Last year, the Metro had operating revenues (i.e. from passengers) of Rs 113 crore. Operating expenditures were Rs 102 crore, leaving barely Rs 10 crore as surplus before interest. And one other painful item: depreciation. When you build a Rs 10,000crore asset, depreciation can really start hurting. This was Rs 200 crore last year, but will balloon . Which means that the Metro is suffering massive losses, even before interest expenses, forget principal repayment. There is no way the Delhi Metro can generate surpluses. Ever. The only solution to this fiscal problem is to find alternative sources of financing, which is what Delhi Metro has done. They are now developing real estate-a six-hectare property at Shastri Park, 93 acre at Khyber Pass, etc. Last year, one-time income from real estate came to Rs 300 crore, almost three times that which the Delhi Metro was originally set up for, mass transit. The reality: Metro Rail projects are financial white elephants. Who is lending to Metro projects? The biggest - and, possibly, only - lender so far has been the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC). They financed Delhi Metro over Rs 4,000 crore, and have completed due diligence on phase 2 - debt of another Rs 4,000 crore. There is no public data available on JBIC's rationale for lending to Metro projects. Strangely, just as the financial hole of Delhi Metro is increasing, the Metro bandwagon is moving across the country. Bangalore has just launched its Metro project, Mumbai followed suit a month later, Hyderabad and Chennai are busy preparing detailed project reports. If the numbers are so bad, why are cities interested in these projects? Actually, it is not the city governments that get to decide (topic for another debate) but their state governments. There are a number of reasons. Urban testosterone for one; metros have become a status symbol. But there are many other factors at play, which make the Metro lobby a force to reckon with. A World Bank report on urban transport in India states that our urban transport approach is "supply-oriented, and traffic growth-biased. It conflicts with the principles outlined in the government urban transport policy statement in a number of ways. In the short term, it neglects the mobility of low-income and poor travelers, especially the non-motorised one..(and) ..favors the most capital-intensive public transport modes (metros and other urban railways) which may not be warranted by either traffic density and passengers' ability to pay, or their budget capacity to pay subsidies in perpetuity." Quick Take . Delhi Metro is suffering huge losses. And no way can it generate surpluses . The only solution is to look for alternative sources of financing . A Bus Rapid Transit system is possibly a more viable transport alternative What is preventing urban transport alternatives from emerging in India? One key reason, indeed the first reason, the World Bank report suggests is that these alternative proposals run counter to "the formidable urban rail lobby", among others. But are there alternatives? Clearly, we need mass transport systems in our cities - private cars and two-wheelers are already choking the streets, and barely provide 20% of the total travel needs even today. One possible alternative is Bus-Rapid-Transit (BRT). Across the world, there is increasing support for BRTs. Remarkable scaled up solutions have emerged, none better than in Bogota and Curitiba in South America. A report prepared by Seema Parekh ,et al for 'India Urban Space', a conference on challenges in urban India, states: "Bogota today boasts of a world-class Bus Rapid Transit system of dedicated bus lanes called TransMilenio; Latin America's largest network of bicycle ways called ciclo-rutas 150 miles long; world's longest pedestrian-only street spanning 10.2 miles, hundreds of miles of sidewalks many through the city's poorest neighborhoods; and the world's biggest Car-Free Day (dia sin carro), during which private vehicles are not allowed to enter the entire city of 135 square miles." Importantly, from a financial standpoint, the infrastructure was built at a cost of about $5.3 million per km (Rs 20 crore, or one-sixth of Delhi Metro). As a result, "TransMilenio requires no operating subsidies and earns substantial profits for its operators." BRT systems make more financial sense than Metros. Ahmedabad seems to think so - it is the first Indian city to go for BRT. Jaipur, Indore and others are also moving in this direction. An alternative is emerging. Beyond finances, any urban transport system fundamentally defines the destiny of a city for decades, just by virtue of its impact. It is critical, therefore, that these decisions be integrated into an overall plan. Swati Ramanathan of Janaagraha says: "Introducing any rapid transit system without developing a Master Plan with integrated transport as a component is like putting the cart before the horse." Most public policy decisions are like icebergs. Urban transport choices are no different. For those who want to improve the quality of the public debate on this issue, the Achilles heel of Metro Rail systems is their finances. Sorry, Mr Sreedharan--I still think you are great engineer. -The writer is founder of Janaagraha,which aims at reforms in urban governance From operations at velomondial.net Tue Aug 8 20:01:48 2006 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:01:48 +0200 Subject: [sustran] New Momentum Kyoto Chip In-Reply-To: <20060807030116.7FE222E080@mx-list.jca.ne.jp> Message-ID: <004f01c6bada$0c434590$9a00000a@PASCAL> Dear Friends, The Kyoto Chip gets a new momentum. David Miliband, the UK environment secretary, is keen to set up a pilot scheme to test the idea, and has asked officials from four government departments to report on how it could be done. The move marks the first serious step towards state-enforced limits on the carbon use of individuals, which scientists say may be necessary in the fight against climate change. It extends the principle of carbon trading - already in place between heavy polluters such as power companies and steel makers - to consumers, with heavy carbon users forced to buy unused allowances from people with greener lifestyles. I am very excited about the fact that he has indicated to take this initiative further. Last year I have communicated with Dr Starkey of the Tyndall Institute about his study on carbon allowances on a personal level. He recognizes that his study and our concept of The Kyoto Chip have many striking resemblances and are virtually the same. We agreed in principle to work together in developing this idea. My suggestion to experiment in the UK was perceived by him as quite ambitious: he had an island 'with a population a little smaller than 60 million' in mind! I applaud the minister for taking this initiative in the UK. Also the European Commission has shown interest in our ideas on the Kyoto Chip. I would love to work with as many institutes and people as possible on implementation of the plan to ration consumers' carbon use and more specifically with furthering this initiative on the international level. For background: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/green/story/0,,1823855,00.html For facts: http://www.davidmiliband.defra.gov.uk/blogs/ministerial_blog/archive/2006/07 /19/1557.aspx For the speech: http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/ministers/speeches/david-miliband/dm060719 .htm I have contacted the minister and we will take it from there. Pascal J.W. van den Noort Executive Director Operations Velo Mondial Executive Board Velo.Info +31 (20)6270 675 +31 (0) 6270 556 88 www.velomondial.net www.velo.info mailto:operations@velomondial.net Velo Mondial: Winner of the Energy Globe 2005 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060808/49c2f03f/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Aug 9 02:36:09 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 19:36:09 +0200 Subject: [sustran] "A Convenient Truth - Cycling, authority and lessons from Paris Message-ID: <006601c6bb11$24da6b10$6401a8c0@Home> Mass Bike Rides in Paris ? Vive la difference Eric Britton, New Mobility Partnerships PARIS. August, 8, 2006 Americans often think of the French as being individualists, hot tempered and unruly. Hey, that can happen, but at a time when you in New York are simmering not only from the your local warming but also and far more permanently it would appear from a conflicted, traumatic relationship with city government and the police, the story of the mass rides in Paris is something of a cautionary tale. If you come to Paris . . . If you come to Paris with your bike or skates, you will be able to join a mass ride once or twice a week and make a grand swing of the city lasting a couple of hours, and all that in safety and harmony with the city, the police and the public (other than some drivers who can get a bit excited if they have the chance, but we have them under control). You will not be stopped, you will not be warned, you will not be arrested, and you will not be struck or manhandled. But if you are from New York City you may be a bit disoriented and surprised by the way it works here, police and all. The Paris Friday Night Skate organized by http://www.pari-roller.com is the bigee, with up to fifty thousand on line skaters joining the ride, but this note will look at its little brother the mass bicycle rides in this beautiful city. They have a lot in common. While there is also several weekly bicycle mass rides, the main one is a regular Friday night ride organized by a public group "Paris Rando V?lo". The ride starts at City Hall at 10:00 pm and takes about two and a half hours to cover 20-25 km. An average of 500, 600 cyclists participate in the summer, half that number in the winter months. How it all started The bike mass first took shape in 2000 after a major transport strike which had the effect of bringing a lot more cyclists onto the streets. An organizing group ? which later formed an ?Association? (a main form of organizing and registering community and public interests activities in France) took shape and their first step was to meet with the Prefect of Police to report on their intentions and to ensure that they were in full compliance with the law. The police said OK, but you have to organize and police yourselves (having run into some problems and manpower requirements with the much bigger Friday night skating mass ride for which after a rough start beginning in 1995, eventually came to be have good police, emergency and city services support. But such support ties up resources so the Prefect insisted that the cyclists would have to do their own policing (We can do the skaters in another letter from Paris for you.) So the event is entirely self-organized , with the Association providing a couple of dozen staff members as monitors, with a handful leading to way to stop traffic at all intersections and the rest simply keeping an eye on and herding and when needed lending a hand to anyone who may get into a bit of trouble. Paris Rando V?lo also organizes private rides, so if you come to Paris with a bunch of friend and want to do a bike tour of your own, you will find their full coordinate at the end of this short piece. Both mass events are encouraged by City Hall and the elected officials, who see them as good for Paris and good for Parisians. The police are apparently having a second look about possibly providing further backup, but with or without it the Paris bike mass works. Cycling in cities; A Convenient Truth. Lessons for New York from the Paris experience over these last years? Hard to say what these might be because the basic cultures are so different but here are a few thoughts that come to mind: 1. Transportation professionalism. If you want to change something in the transport sector, you better be a pro. While French cyclists can be as self-centered and aggressive as anywhere in the world, their success has come through taking off the hard edge and coming in as a responsible community group that can perform -- they have found that it is more effective to organize, prepare, contact and negotiate than to engage in street warfare with the authorities. 2. Iron discipline: Given the complexity, the delicacy of the transportation metabolism of a city ? even at 10:00 on Friday nights ? there must be absolute discipline for both the route and the timing. Nobody likes surprises, including those who will have to carry the ball if you drop it. 3. Be there or be square: Numbers count and so does regularity. Everyone should be accustomed to you being out there when announced and start to see you and the event as part of the normal city landscape. And of course if you ever find yourselves at odds with the authorities it certainly helps to have fifty thousand voters smiling and riding right behind you. Numbers talk 4. Have your man in City Hall: It really helps to have your man in City Hall (In Paris it?s Denis Baupin, who is vice-mayor, a Green and a cyclist himself. And he is committed). And there is no doubt that a great key is to have the mayor on your side as well (which is the case with Mayor Delano? here). If your guy is just there for the odd photo op, get rid of him and find yourself someone with real commitment, day after day after day. 5. Be your own good cop: The ability to do the monitoring and self-policing work yourselves is a big plus. Perform with discipline and the authorities come around. They may have to bite their lip, but they will become part of the solution 6. Communicative like a winner: Reaching out to the press and the media, and in the process getting your main message across. That being about winning, not about either fighting, losing or raw deals (even if that is also true for now). A final thought from this side of the Atlantic has to do with self confidence and steadfast determination. (Am I starting to sound like your grandmother?) Cycling ? and mass cycling events, well organized, without a chip on your shoulder and coordinated with the community as a whole ? is a part of the solution to the pressing problems of transport, the economy and quality of life in all our cities, New York included. Cycling can show the way for the rest. It is one part of a whole class of new solutions to our present problems of disorientation and dysfunctionality in the transport sector, for which we have a phrase ? the New Mobility Agenda. Or better yet perhaps ?Cycling, A Convenient Truth?. You have that on your side, so keep moving * * * More on Paris Rando V?lo The website for Paris Rando V?lo, the organizers, is at http://www.parisrandovelo.com/ , complete with photos and videos (and of course in French). If you click to http://www.parisrandovelo.com/index.php?page=galeries/index.php&gal=/0026/&img=g rp999_20060721.wsh&start=0 you can follow along with the ride of 21 July 2006. You will not see a great deal of violence. Paris Rando V?lo 09 rue Lavandiere St Opportune Paris, 75001 France Christophe Dupasquier, Secretary General Tel. +336.60.64.20.20 1226 words: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060808/9f01f5c0/attachment.html From ericbruun at earthlink.net Wed Aug 9 05:20:37 2006 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:20:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [sustran] [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? Message-ID: <4914064.1155068437793.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Boy, I don't agree with this article at all. First of all, much of rapid transit investment has no depreciation. Most tunnels that were built 100+ years ago are more valuable today than they were then. This is an example of sustainable development, even if initially costly. Second, what is wrong with using real estate funds to pay back the rail investment? It is the rail investment that added value to the property in the first place. Why should there be a windfall to external developers? Hong Kong's Metro and Japanese railways have always been real estate developers. In fact that is how most of the original streetcar lines got started -- as means to open up real estate. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- >From: Lee Schipper >Sent: Aug 8, 2006 5:45 AM >To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org, GlobalSouth@yahoogroups.com, NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com >Cc: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org >Subject: [sustran] Re: [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? > >Nice example of what can be done with OPM -- Other Peoples' Money! > >>>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 08/08/06 12:53 AM >>> > >Metro Rails: where's the money? > > > > > >Bus Rapid Transit makes more > >financial >sense as an urban transport system > > > > > > RAMESH >RAMANATHAN > > >Posted online: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 at 0000 hours IST > >http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=136535 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E Sreedharan, the driving force behind the Delhi Metro, is a living >legend-a >remarkable engineer. He delivered the Delhi Metro on time, within cost, >and as a >example of how public infrastructure ought to be built. In a country >parched for >projects that move from conception to delivery with no glitches, he is >a shining >example of how to do it right. > >Unfortunately, Sreedharan is not a magician. No matter what he does, he >can't >make the Delhi Metro's financials work, because the numbers don't add >up. > > > > >Phase 1 cost Rs 10,000 crore for 64 km - a whopping Rs 150 crore/km. >With 66% >debt financing, interest cost at 8% works out to Rs 550 crore p.a. And >principal >repayment would be Rs 500-600 crore p.a., assuming a 10-15 year >repayment >period. > >Where are the revenues coming from? Last year, the Metro had operating >revenues >(i.e. from passengers) of Rs 113 crore. Operating expenditures were Rs >102 >crore, leaving barely Rs 10 crore as surplus before interest. And one >other >painful item: depreciation. When you build a Rs 10,000crore asset, >depreciation >can really start hurting. This was Rs 200 crore last year, but will >balloon . >Which means that the Metro is suffering massive losses, even before >interest >expenses, forget principal repayment. There is no way the Delhi Metro >can >generate surpluses. Ever. > >The only solution to this fiscal problem is to find alternative sources >of > >financing, >which is what Delhi Metro has done. They are now developing real >estate-a >six-hectare property at Shastri Park, 93 acre at Khyber Pass, etc. Last >year, >one-time income from real estate came to Rs 300 crore, almost three >times that >which the Delhi Metro was originally set up for, mass transit. The >reality: >Metro Rail projects are financial white elephants. > >Who is > >lending to Metro projects? The biggest - and, possibly, only - lender >so far has >been the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC). They financed >Delhi >Metro over Rs 4,000 crore, and have completed due diligence on phase 2 >- debt of >another Rs 4,000 crore. There is no public data available on JBIC's >rationale >for lending to Metro projects. > >Strangely, just as the financial hole of Delhi Metro is increasing, the >Metro >bandwagon is moving across the country. Bangalore has just launched its >Metro >project, Mumbai followed suit a month later, Hyderabad and Chennai are >busy >preparing detailed project reports. If the numbers are so bad, why are >cities >interested in these projects? > >Actually, it is not the city governments that get to decide (topic for >another >debate) but their state governments. There are a number of reasons. >Urban >testosterone for one; metros have become a status symbol. But there are >many >other factors at play, which make the Metro lobby a force to reckon >with. A >World Bank report on urban transport in India states that our urban >transport >approach is "supply-oriented, and traffic growth-biased. It conflicts >with the >principles outlined in the government urban transport policy statement >in a >number of ways. > >In the short term, it neglects the mobility of low-income and poor >travelers, >especially the non-motorised one..(and) ..favors the most >capital-intensive >public transport modes (metros and other urban railways) which may not >be >warranted by either traffic density and passengers' ability to pay, or >their >budget capacity to pay subsidies in perpetuity." > > >Quick Take > > >. Delhi Metro is suffering huge losses. And no way can it generate >surpluses >. The only solution is to look for alternative sources >of financing >. A Bus Rapid Transit system is possibly a more viable transport >alternative > >What is preventing urban transport alternatives from emerging in India? >One key >reason, indeed the first reason, the World Bank report suggests is that >these >alternative proposals run counter to "the formidable urban rail lobby", >among >others. > >But are there alternatives? Clearly, we need mass transport systems in >our >cities - private cars and two-wheelers are already choking the streets, >and >barely provide 20% of the total travel needs even today. One possible >alternative is Bus-Rapid-Transit (BRT). Across the world, there is >increasing >support for BRTs. Remarkable scaled up solutions have emerged, none >better than >in Bogota and Curitiba in South America. > >A report prepared by Seema Parekh ,et al for 'India Urban Space', a >conference >on challenges in urban India, states: "Bogota today boasts of a >world-class Bus >Rapid Transit system of dedicated bus lanes called TransMilenio; Latin >America's >largest network of bicycle ways called ciclo-rutas 150 miles long; >world's >longest pedestrian-only street spanning 10.2 miles, hundreds of miles >of >sidewalks many through the city's poorest neighborhoods; and the >world's biggest >Car-Free Day (dia sin carro), during which private vehicles are not >allowed to >enter the entire city of 135 square miles." > >Importantly, from a financial standpoint, the infrastructure was built >at a cost >of about $5.3 million per km (Rs 20 crore, or one-sixth of Delhi >Metro). As a >result, "TransMilenio requires no operating subsidies and earns >substantial >profits for its operators." > >BRT systems make more financial sense than Metros. Ahmedabad seems to >think so - >it is the first Indian city to go for BRT. Jaipur, Indore and others >are also >moving in this direction. An alternative is emerging. > >Beyond finances, any urban transport system fundamentally defines the >destiny of >a city for decades, just by virtue of its impact. It is critical, >therefore, >that these decisions be integrated into an overall plan. > >Swati Ramanathan of Janaagraha says: "Introducing any rapid transit >system >without developing a Master Plan with integrated transport as a >component is >like putting the cart before the horse." > >Most public policy decisions are like icebergs. Urban transport choices >are no >different. For those who want to improve the quality of the public >debate on >this issue, the Achilles heel of Metro Rail systems is their finances. >Sorry, Mr >Sreedharan--I still think you are great engineer. > >-The writer is founder of Janaagraha,which aims at reforms in urban >governance > > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Aug 9 15:04:20 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:04:20 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Global South Mobility - Currently hanging out at http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/ Message-ID: <005c01c6bb79$a85cd190$6401a8c0@Home> Global South Mobility ? A relay station in the up hill struggle for sustainable mobility in cities in the developing world Dear Sustran Friends, Not quite sure about this ? at least as it stands thus far ? but for some months now this has been itching and it seemed to me that there just had to be room for something at least decent along these lines. So I have sat down and spent some time with this to see what we might have if I gave it a good first whack. Which is my best effort for now that you can see at this address, http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/ It brings up a couple of questions concerning which I would be most grateful to have your counsel, either in private of if you think it appropriate via the group 1. Is this necessary? Does it fill a gap, or is it just one more of many and really not necessary? 2. Does this have at least the promise of the quality needed to do the job? 3. And why should this come from us and the New Mobility Agenda? Perhaps there is someone better placed to do this? Or maybe they already are ? though I could not run it down in my own research for something along these line. (I for one don?t mind sitting down and shutting up when someone is already doing a good job of it.) And finally and about the most important once we have worked our way through the above: o What needs to be done next to make it more useful, prior to striding out on to the world stage and seeing if we can find our place. Over the last couple of days I find myself talking to the media about urban rail, BRTs, cycles, motorcycles in cities, Bogot?, Dar, a bunch of cities in South Africa ? and the long list goes on. The little video library and Paul Barter?s excellent commentary on them. Calls for and radio interviews in Slovenia and of all places New York City (capital of the underdeveloped world, at least as far as transportation is concerned). Something important is going on, and we need to be there and take our place. Otherwise you know hat will happen. Thanks for telling me what you think. And while I may be a bit pigheaded in my efforts to make this work and useful, please do believe that I am wide open to counsel and your ideas. I hope that you have noticed that I am able to listen, learn and not at all timid about ripping things apart if I understand how to do better. best/eric PS. And oh yes, this is either an emergency or not. If not, let?s get off the computer and go to the beach. And don?t forget the beer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060809/e41a9837/attachment.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Wed Aug 9 16:53:32 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:53:32 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001027531F6@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Quite right, Eric. Plus, there is no consideration of non-user benefits, including benefits to employers and other businesses from easier access for staff and customers. Nor does it even consider benefits to the users themselves. Crucially, in the Indian context - whoever heard of an urban road investment (e.g. "flyovers") being appraised in such a manner? On the main premise, I do agree that BRT is worth consideration - though whether BRT alone can cope with the volumes in Indian cities is debatable. Alan (about to spend the next month in Mumbai) -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Eric Bruun Sent: 08 August 2006 21:21 To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport; eric.britton@ecoplan.org; GlobalSouth@yahoogroups.com; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Cc: vuchic@seas.upenn.edu; bruunakhtar@hotmail.com Subject: [sustran] [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? Boy, I don't agree with this article at all. First of all, much of rapid transit investment has no depreciation. Most tunnels that were built 100+ years ago are more valuable today than they were then. This is an example of sustainable development, even if initially costly. Second, what is wrong with using real estate funds to pay back the rail investment? It is the rail investment that added value to the property in the first place. Why should there be a windfall to external developers? Hong Kong's Metro and Japanese railways have always been real estate developers. In fact that is how most of the original streetcar lines got started -- as means to open up real estate. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- >From: Lee Schipper >Sent: Aug 8, 2006 5:45 AM >To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org, GlobalSouth@yahoogroups.com, >NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com >Cc: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org >Subject: [sustran] Re: [NewMobilityCafe] Metro Rails: where's the money? > >Nice example of what can be done with OPM -- Other Peoples' Money! > >>>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org 08/08/06 12:53 AM >>> > >Metro Rails: where's the money? > > > > > >Bus Rapid Transit makes more > >financial >sense as an urban transport system > > > > > > RAMESH >RAMANATHAN > > >Posted online: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 at 0000 hours IST > >http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=136535 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E Sreedharan, the driving force behind the Delhi Metro, is a living >legend-a remarkable engineer. He delivered the Delhi Metro on time, >within cost, and as a example of how public infrastructure ought to be >built. In a country parched for projects that move from conception to >delivery with no glitches, he is a shining example of how to do it >right. > >Unfortunately, Sreedharan is not a magician. No matter what he does, he >can't make the Delhi Metro's financials work, because the numbers don't >add up. > > > > >Phase 1 cost Rs 10,000 crore for 64 km - a whopping Rs 150 crore/km. >With 66% >debt financing, interest cost at 8% works out to Rs 550 crore p.a. And >principal repayment would be Rs 500-600 crore p.a., assuming a 10-15 >year repayment period. > >Where are the revenues coming from? Last year, the Metro had operating >revenues (i.e. from passengers) of Rs 113 crore. Operating expenditures >were Rs >102 >crore, leaving barely Rs 10 crore as surplus before interest. And one >other painful item: depreciation. When you build a Rs 10,000crore >asset, depreciation can really start hurting. This was Rs 200 crore >last year, but will balloon . >Which means that the Metro is suffering massive losses, even before >interest expenses, forget principal repayment. There is no way the >Delhi Metro can generate surpluses. Ever. > >The only solution to this fiscal problem is to find alternative sources >of > >financing, >which is what Delhi Metro has done. They are now developing real >estate-a six-hectare property at Shastri Park, 93 acre at Khyber Pass, >etc. Last year, one-time income from real estate came to Rs 300 crore, >almost three times that which the Delhi Metro was originally set up >for, mass transit. The >reality: >Metro Rail projects are financial white elephants. > >Who is > >lending to Metro projects? The biggest - and, possibly, only - lender >so far has been the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC). >They financed Delhi Metro over Rs 4,000 crore, and have completed due >diligence on phase 2 >- debt of >another Rs 4,000 crore. There is no public data available on JBIC's >rationale for lending to Metro projects. > >Strangely, just as the financial hole of Delhi Metro is increasing, the >Metro bandwagon is moving across the country. Bangalore has just >launched its Metro project, Mumbai followed suit a month later, >Hyderabad and Chennai are busy preparing detailed project reports. If >the numbers are so bad, why are cities interested in these projects? > >Actually, it is not the city governments that get to decide (topic for >another >debate) but their state governments. There are a number of reasons. >Urban >testosterone for one; metros have become a status symbol. But there are >many other factors at play, which make the Metro lobby a force to >reckon with. A World Bank report on urban transport in India states >that our urban transport approach is "supply-oriented, and traffic >growth-biased. It conflicts with the principles outlined in the >government urban transport policy statement in a number of ways. > >In the short term, it neglects the mobility of low-income and poor >travelers, especially the non-motorised one..(and) ..favors the most >capital-intensive public transport modes (metros and other urban >railways) which may not be warranted by either traffic density and >passengers' ability to pay, or their budget capacity to pay subsidies >in perpetuity." > > >Quick Take > > >. Delhi Metro is suffering huge losses. And no way can it generate >surpluses . The only solution is to look for alternative sources of >financing . A Bus Rapid Transit system is possibly a more viable >transport alternative > >What is preventing urban transport alternatives from emerging in India? >One key >reason, indeed the first reason, the World Bank report suggests is that >these alternative proposals run counter to "the formidable urban rail >lobby", among others. > >But are there alternatives? Clearly, we need mass transport systems in >our cities - private cars and two-wheelers are already choking the >streets, and barely provide 20% of the total travel needs even today. >One possible alternative is Bus-Rapid-Transit (BRT). Across the world, >there is increasing support for BRTs. Remarkable scaled up solutions >have emerged, none better than in Bogota and Curitiba in South America. > >A report prepared by Seema Parekh ,et al for 'India Urban Space', a >conference on challenges in urban India, states: "Bogota today boasts >of a world-class Bus Rapid Transit system of dedicated bus lanes called >TransMilenio; Latin America's largest network of bicycle ways called >ciclo-rutas 150 miles long; world's longest pedestrian-only street >spanning 10.2 miles, hundreds of miles of sidewalks many through the >city's poorest neighborhoods; and the world's biggest Car-Free Day (dia >sin carro), during which private vehicles are not allowed to enter the >entire city of 135 square miles." > >Importantly, from a financial standpoint, the infrastructure was built >at a cost of about $5.3 million per km (Rs 20 crore, or one-sixth of >Delhi Metro). As a result, "TransMilenio requires no operating >subsidies and earns substantial profits for its operators." > >BRT systems make more financial sense than Metros. Ahmedabad seems to >think so - it is the first Indian city to go for BRT. Jaipur, Indore >and others are also moving in this direction. An alternative is >emerging. > >Beyond finances, any urban transport system fundamentally defines the >destiny of a city for decades, just by virtue of its impact. It is >critical, therefore, that these decisions be integrated into an overall >plan. > >Swati Ramanathan of Janaagraha says: "Introducing any rapid transit >system without developing a Master Plan with integrated transport as a >component is like putting the cart before the horse." > >Most public policy decisions are like icebergs. Urban transport choices >are no different. For those who want to improve the quality of the >public debate on this issue, the Achilles heel of Metro Rail systems is >their finances. >Sorry, Mr >Sreedharan--I still think you are great engineer. > >-The writer is founder of Janaagraha,which aims at reforms in urban >governance > > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 10 14:37:36 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:37:36 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents In-Reply-To: <1155160629.1018bcb87ec11bb6.725281fc@persist.google.com> Message-ID: <006b01c6bc3f$196af7c0$6401a8c0@Home> August 09, 2006 http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=213066 E-mail this news to a friend Printable version of this news Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents PUTRAJAYA, Aug 9 (Bernama) -- The United Nations has ranked Malaysia 30th among countries with the highest number of fatal road accidents, registering an average of 4.5 deaths per 10,000 registered vehicles. "I am not happy with that position. We want to bring the fatality rate down by 2010," Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy told reporters after his ministry's post-Cabinet meeting Wednesday. He said the ministry has prepared a five-year plan to reduce the rate. Chan blamed the high road accident fatality rate on the large number of motorcycles on Malaysian roads, at 60 per cent of the total registered vehicles. He said most fatal accidents in the country involved motorcyclists. Chan was responding to a statement issued by Hong Kong's Department of Transport which placed Kuala Lumpur on top of 20 world cities with the highest number of fatal road accidents. The department's statement, carried by a local Chinese daily yesterday, stated that its survey found that Kuala Lumpur registered an average of 194 deaths in road accidents per one million population. The statement did not name the other 19 cities. "It is misleading. The statement is very bias as we don't know what criteria they used in their survey," he added. Chan said based on the data obtained from the Kuala Lumpur traffic police, an average of 148 deaths per one million population were recorded in 2005. "The criteria measuring the fatality rate per one million population is not widely used as most countries adopt the formula of fatality based on per 10,000 registered vehicles," he said. -- BERNAMA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/19f3e1d4/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 101 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/19f3e1d4/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 107 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/19f3e1d4/attachment-0001.gif From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 10 15:10:41 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:10:41 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Do we need a New Mobility Wiki - and if so can you lend a hand to help us set it up? In-Reply-To: <20060809221820.nxv06afvd968o008@www.pedalsong.net> Message-ID: <008101c6bc43$b81b85c0$6401a8c0@Home> We are asking ourselves this question and a few first conversations around here suggest that at the very least we might do well to look into the possibility of developing one - as an instrument of reference in part, but also a place in which the very many different points of view and subtle variations can find their place (think of the enormous variety of views that we inevitably get here on quite a range of points). If you go to the Agenda at www.newmobility.org and click Thinking Exercises under the Do-it-yourself Kit, you will see a short entry there which poses this question. Over the last year I have done quite a bit of work with the Wikipedia to contribute to a couple of dozen I think important references stemming from the main entries on sustainable transportation and the New Mobility Agenda, and while this is a pretty good process and useful result, I think we can do more and better for our shared cause. Two things from you then in this context: 1. Do you think this might be a good idea for us, and 2. Can you give us a hand in setting it up? Thanks for getting back to me on this. If we are going to do it, no sense in waiting around. Eh? ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/3d43fc60/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 10 21:16:17 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:16:17 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Message-ID: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> [If I may sneak a word in here, it strikes me that after all these years that here are the key issues that need to be sorted out for this or any other Global South Mobility issue: 1. Does this mode provide useful mobility services? 2. Is it affordable and available to poorer people? 3. Is it putting an important economic strain on the community? 4. Does it provide paid work for people who want to do it? 5. If there is stuff that is wrong with it (long list here), and what point by point can be done to shorten and soften this list? 6. Will an appropriately cleaned up version of it contribute to sustainable development and social justice - and a softer, safer and better city. 7. If the mode is suppressed who wins and who loses? And what is their economic bracket? It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. Now on the Datta-Ray's version of the story.] Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Sunanda K. Datta-Ray International Herald Tribune WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2006 http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/08/09/opinion/edray.ph p CALCUTTA Calcutta's hand-drawn rickshaws - the last in the world - were granted a reprieve while elsewhere India's government clamped down on blogs and Internet cafes to prevent cyber attacks. That's India's diversity for you. The rickshaw has been dying a long time. The last license was issued in 1945. A bill to abolish the humble vehicle - its name derived from the Japanese jinrikisha (jin, human; riki, force; sha, vehicle - "human-powered vehicle") - was introduced last year in the West Bengal legislature but has been sent to a select committee for further discussion. This dithering highlights a major difference between China and India. Mao abolished rickshaws in one sweep, but Indian politicians, trade union leaders and nongovernmental organizations have been arguing all these years that a ban would deprive thousands of poor laborers of their only means of livelihood. Rickshaws are cheap, safe and clean, unlike Calcutta buses belching black clouds of diesel fumes. The opposing argument is that rickshaws violate the dignity of man. The puller sweats it out in unbearably hot temperatures or wades through flooded streets for a pittance. It's back- breaking work, and tuberculosis is an occupational hazard for pullers who often live on the pavement, scrimping and saving to send a few cents home. Other forces are also at work. Calcutta had only 6,000 licensed rickshaws in the 1990s when more than 30,000 plied the streets. If you looked at the license plates of many vehicles, you saw only squiggles instead of numbers. If you were trundling along in one - which I wouldn't for love or money - and your journey lay past a police station, the rickshaw puller flatly refused to take you. Illegal rickshaws weren't quite rogue operators. They were owned by influential citizens, including policemen, who rented them to the pullers for a few rupees per shift. If caught, it was the poor puller who was fined. One often saw rows of rickshaws - the ones that didn't get away - lined up outside police stations. Hand-pulled at first, then cycle driven, rickshaws have been used at one time or another in Tokyo, Kyoto, Hong Kong, Dhaka and most Southeast Asian cities. They first became popular in Japan in the late 19th century, the early Meiji period, replacing horse- drawn palanquins. Men were faster and cheaper than horses. India's rickshaws appeared first in Simla, where British viceroys escaped the summer heat. The elite had their own vehicles with liveried pullers, and observed strict protocol. The young Maharani of Kapurthala was reprimanded for bowling away in her rickshaw from the theater before a British burra memsahib could summon hers. Calcutta's flourishing Chinese traders originally used rickshaws to transport goods; in 1914 they applied for permission to carry passengers as well. Soon, pulling a rickshaw became a peasant's first job on migrating to the city. Many stayed with it for life. In Roland Joffe's 1992 film "City of Joy," based on Dominique Lapierre's eponymous novel, the Indian actor Om Puri, playing a hard-pressed rickshaw puller who hasn't abandoned hope, encounters an American doctor, played by Patrick Swayze, fleeing the West with no hope at all. West Bengal's governing Marxists are moving cautiously. First, several major Calcutta streets were closed to rickshaw traffic. Then, more than 12,000 rickshaws were seized and destroyed. The policy of not renewing licenses has brought down the number to 1,800. The West Bengal chief minister, Buddhdeb Bhattacharjee, promises a total ban next year. There are many theories about the rickshaw's origins. Three Americans - a Massachusetts blacksmith, a Baptist minister and a missionary in Yokohama whose invalid wife needed to get about - have been credited with the invention. So has an Englishman known as "Public-spirited Smith." The Japanese say it was the work of three Japanese whom the Tokyo authorities permitted to build and sell rickshaws, providing one of them put his stamp on every license to operate a rickshaw. Indians are not in the picture. But Calcutta is the rickshaw's last stand; and a monsoon outbreak may have contributed to the last minute reprieve. Only rickshaws can brave the city's flooded streets in which cars and buses are regularly stalled. Sunanda K. Datta-Ray is former Editor of The Statesman newspaper in Indian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/f6338385/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Thu Aug 10 21:23:32 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:23:32 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents In-Reply-To: <006b01c6bc3f$196af7c0$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <005601c6bc77$cc655180$0200a8c0@archibaldo> We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal split: 20% use of private automobile they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it because of motorcycles or of cars. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Eric Britton Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Agosto de 2006 12:38 a.m. Para: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents August 09, 2006 http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=213066 E-mail this news to a friend Printable version of this news Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents PUTRAJAYA, Aug 9 (Bernama) -- The United Nations has ranked Malaysia 30th among countries with the highest number of fatal road accidents, registering an average of 4.5 deaths per 10,000 registered vehicles. "I am not happy with that position. We want to bring the fatality rate down by 2010," Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy told reporters after his ministry's post-Cabinet meeting Wednesday. He said the ministry has prepared a five-year plan to reduce the rate. Chan blamed the high road accident fatality rate on the large number of motorcycles on Malaysian roads, at 60 per cent of the total registered vehicles. He said most fatal accidents in the country involved motorcyclists. Chan was responding to a statement issued by Hong Kong's Department of Transport which placed Kuala Lumpur on top of 20 world cities with the highest number of fatal road accidents. The department's statement, carried by a local Chinese daily yesterday, stated that its survey found that Kuala Lumpur registered an average of 194 deaths in road accidents per one million population. The statement did not name the other 19 cities. "It is misleading. The statement is very bias as we don't know what criteria they used in their survey," he added. Chan said based on the data obtained from the Kuala Lumpur traffic police, an average of 148 deaths per one million population were recorded in 2005. "The criteria measuring the fatality rate per one million population is not widely used as most countries adopt the formula of fatality based on per 10,000 registered vehicles," he said. -- BERNAMA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/92b04e7c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 101 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/92b04e7c/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 107 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/92b04e7c/attachment-0001.gif From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 11 00:27:49 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:27:49 +0200 Subject: [sustran] FW: Global South Mobility - getting there at http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/ Message-ID: <008501c6bc91$8b273480$6401a8c0@Home> We are getting some very good ideas and support for this proposed 'relay station' for Global South Mobility, but before we go public with it I would like to ask any of you who may care to have another look? John Ernst has suggested two things: 1. That we should be trying to provide links to more local groups that have web sites with some transport content. Excellent. Can you help us with this? Their name, URL, email of a good contact and if your time permits a very short 2/r line description of who they are and what they do. 2. He wanted to see more under the News category, so we have tried to improve. Have a look and let us have your suggestions for more. If you can help us make this a better and more useful site, that would be so much appreciated. By us all I think. ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/17a805af/attachment.html From roadnotes at freenet.de Thu Aug 10 22:43:22 2006 From: roadnotes at freenet.de (Robert Bartlett) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:43:22 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Message-ID: <44DB37FA.7030103@freenet.de> I suspect rickshaws are anything but 'on the way out'. For example they are in increasing use in Europe and - in Europe and elsewhere - are put to a much greater range of uses than you might think. See the document "rickshaws in Dhaka" at http://www.schorrell-analysis.de/Publications/Publications_List/Book_6/book_6.html I'm also involved in 2 other related documents (rickshaws in Europe and rickshaws in India/the Ecotrike) which should be ready for publishing in early September. Robert Bartlett From susanz at isr.umich.edu Thu Aug 10 22:16:55 2006 From: susanz at isr.umich.edu (Susan Zielinski) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:16:55 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <942E05ED295BE1489D46F6301DACE3A301FE2716@isr-mail1.ad.isr.umich.edu> Great list! And how about, "can this mode seamlessly connect (physically, economically, financially) to all the other modes a person (or a good) needs to use to get from door to door sustainably and affordably". In other words does this mode contribute positively / optimally to the whole system or take away from it. And how about "can this mode be used for moving people and for goods?" And how about "can this mode be easily scaled down as a result of wise land use / technological infrastructure that allows for reduction of trip lengths or elimination of trps altogether, i.e. is it mobility dominated or accessibility based?" Cheers, Sue ________________________________ From: Eric Britton [mailto:eric.britton@ecoplan.org] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:16 AM To: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; GlobalSouth@yahoogroups.com Cc: Susan Zielinski; Jan@Gehl.dk; roadnotes@freenet.de; SCHIPPER@wri.org Subject: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand [If I may sneak a word in here, it strikes me that after all these years that here are the key issues that need to be sorted out for this or any other Global South Mobility issue: 1. Does this mode provide useful mobility services? 2. Is it affordable and available to poorer people? 3. Is it putting an important economic strain on the community? 4. Does it provide paid work for people who want to do it? 5. If there is stuff that is wrong with it (long list here), and what point by point can be done to shorten and soften this list? 6. Will an appropriately cleaned up version of it contribute to sustainable development and social justice - and a softer, safer and better city. 7. If the mode is suppressed who wins and who loses? And what is their economic bracket? It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. Now on the Datta-Ray's version of the story.] Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Sunanda K. Datta-Ray International Herald Tribune WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2006 http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/08/09/opinion/ edray.php CALCUTTA Calcutta's hand-drawn rickshaws - the last in the world - were granted a reprieve while elsewhere India's government clamped down on blogs and Internet cafes to prevent cyber attacks. That's India's diversity for you. The rickshaw has been dying a long time. The last license was issued in 1945. A bill to abolish the humble vehicle - its name derived from the Japanese jinrikisha (jin, human; riki, force; sha, vehicle - "human-powered vehicle") - was introduced last year in the West Bengal legislature but has been sent to a select committee for further discussion. This dithering highlights a major difference between China and India. Mao abolished rickshaws in one sweep, but Indian politicians, trade union leaders and nongovernmental organizations have been arguing all these years that a ban would deprive thousands of poor laborers of their only means of livelihood. Rickshaws are cheap, safe and clean, unlike Calcutta buses belching black clouds of diesel fumes. The opposing argument is that rickshaws violate the dignity of man. The puller sweats it out in unbearably hot temperatures or wades through flooded streets for a pittance. It's back- breaking work, and tuberculosis is an occupational hazard for pullers who often live on the pavement, scrimping and saving to send a few cents home. Other forces are also at work. Calcutta had only 6,000 licensed rickshaws in the 1990s when more than 30,000 plied the streets. If you looked at the license plates of many vehicles, you saw only squiggles instead of numbers. If you were trundling along in one - which I wouldn't for love or money - and your journey lay past a police station, the rickshaw puller flatly refused to take you. Illegal rickshaws weren't quite rogue operators. They were owned by influential citizens, including policemen, who rented them to the pullers for a few rupees per shift. If caught, it was the poor puller who was fined. One often saw rows of rickshaws - the ones that didn't get away - lined up outside police stations. Hand-pulled at first, then cycle driven, rickshaws have been used at one time or another in Tokyo, Kyoto, Hong Kong, Dhaka and most Southeast Asian cities. They first became popular in Japan in the late 19th century, the early Meiji period, replacing horse- drawn palanquins. Men were faster and cheaper than horses. India's rickshaws appeared first in Simla, where British viceroys escaped the summer heat. The elite had their own vehicles with liveried pullers, and observed strict protocol. The young Maharani of Kapurthala was reprimanded for bowling away in her rickshaw from the theater before a British burra memsahib could summon hers. Calcutta's flourishing Chinese traders originally used rickshaws to transport goods; in 1914 they applied for permission to carry passengers as well. Soon, pulling a rickshaw became a peasant's first job on migrating to the city. Many stayed with it for life. In Roland Joffe's 1992 film "City of Joy," based on Dominique Lapierre's eponymous novel, the Indian actor Om Puri, playing a hard-pressed rickshaw puller who hasn't abandoned hope, encounters an American doctor, played by Patrick Swayze, fleeing the West with no hope at all. West Bengal's governing Marxists are moving cautiously. First, several major Calcutta streets were closed to rickshaw traffic. Then, more than 12,000 rickshaws were seized and destroyed. The policy of not renewing licenses has brought down the number to 1,800. The West Bengal chief minister, Buddhdeb Bhattacharjee, promises a total ban next year. There are many theories about the rickshaw's origins. Three Americans - a Massachusetts blacksmith, a Baptist minister and a missionary in Yokohama whose invalid wife needed to get about - have been credited with the invention. So has an Englishman known as "Public-spirited Smith." The Japanese say it was the work of three Japanese whom the Tokyo authorities permitted to build and sell rickshaws, providing one of them put his stamp on every license to operate a rickshaw. Indians are not in the picture. But Calcutta is the rickshaw's last stand; and a monsoon outbreak may have contributed to the last minute reprieve. Only rickshaws can brave the city's flooded streets in which cars and buses are regularly stalled. Sunanda K. Datta-Ray is former Editor of The Statesman newspaper in Indian. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060810/a2fd5b1e/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 11 15:40:47 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:40:47 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Helping to make Global South a really useful tool Message-ID: <005c01c6bd11$153eaac0$6401a8c0@Home> I know, I know, I am a terrible bore. But what about this? 1. Local S/T programs? Have you been involved in or know about a program or project that is tying to push toward more sustainable transport arrangements in your city or region? If so, don't you think it might be doubly useful for it to be identified and linked in the new Global South Mobility collaborative program that we are slaving at developing at http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/. 2. Webcams: Do you know about any webcams showing traffic in Global South cities? If you go to News/Images/Watch City Traffic on the working site, you will see a collection of links taken from the New Mobility Agenda, but we need to narrow in on GS cities? Suggestions? Anything else missing or needing to be fixed before we (and you maybe) announce this to the world. And then see what happens next. ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/b6fea963/attachment.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Fri Aug 11 17:03:19 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:03:19 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal RoadAccidents Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001027535E0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> It's very depressing. In developing countries with low car ownership, politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as car ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic development. Do they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the same way, I wonder? What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to realise the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for their country but for the global community? I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my currently suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP Sent: 10 August 2006 13:24 To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal RoadAccidents We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal split: 20% use of private automobile... they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it because of motorcycles or of cars. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org ________________________________ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Eric Britton Enviado el: Jueves, 10 de Agosto de 2006 12:38 a.m. Para: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents August 09, 2006 http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=213066 Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal Road Accidents PUTRAJAYA, Aug 9 (Bernama) -- The United Nations has ranked Malaysia 30th among countries with the highest number of fatal road accidents, registering an average of 4.5 deaths per 10,000 registered vehicles. "I am not happy with that position. We want to bring the fatality rate down by 2010," Transport Minister Datuk Seri Chan Kong Choy told reporters after his ministry's post-Cabinet meeting Wednesday. He said the ministry has prepared a five-year plan to reduce the rate. Chan blamed the high road accident fatality rate on the large number of motorcycles on Malaysian roads, at 60 per cent of the total registered vehicles. He said most fatal accidents in the country involved motorcyclists. Chan was responding to a statement issued by Hong Kong's Department of Transport which placed Kuala Lumpur on top of 20 world cities with the highest number of fatal road accidents. The department's statement, carried by a local Chinese daily yesterday, stated that its survey found that Kuala Lumpur registered an average of 194 deaths in road accidents per one million population. The statement did not name the other 19 cities. "It is misleading. The statement is very bias as we don't know what criteria they used in their survey," he added. Chan said based on the data obtained from the Kuala Lumpur traffic police, an average of 148 deaths per one million population were recorded in 2005. "The criteria measuring the fatality rate per one million population is not widely used as most countries adopt the formula of fatality based on per 10,000 registered vehicles," he said. -- BERNAMA ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/8844f36c/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 101 bytes Desc: image001.gif Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/8844f36c/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 107 bytes Desc: image002.gif Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/8844f36c/attachment-0001.gif From sksunny at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 17:25:08 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:25:08 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal RoadAccidents In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001027535E0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> References: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001027535E0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <44DC3EE4.2020408@gmail.com> Yes, I agree with your comment Alan and am also surprised by the mindset of the govt people from Carlos' mail. Regarding your question What does it Tak...? from my view I can think of only two answers one is to enlighten the authorities like wht you will be doing in Mumbai, the tile looks very promising. The second one is let the cities learn by themselves which will cost a huge amount in terms of money, environment and even social capitals. The aspect that has to be seen is equity in transport modes in not the requirement but the priority of NMT and PT is the most important thing. Sunny P.S: It would be kind of you if u can post the proceedings of the conference if u find any other interesting presentations. Alan Howes wrote: > It's very depressing. In developing countries with low car ownership, > politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as > car ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic > development. Do they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the > same way, I wonder? > > What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to > realise the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for > their country but for the global community? > > I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my > currently suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the > mistakes of others". > > Alan > > -- > Alan Howes > Associate Transport Planner > Colin Buchanan > 4 St Colme Street > Edinburgh EH3 6AA > Scotland > email: _alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk_ > tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) > (0)7952 464335 (mobile) > fax: (0)131 220 0232 > www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* > sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Carlos F. Pardo SUTP > *Sent:* 10 August 2006 13:24 > *To:* 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' > *Subject:* [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal > RoadAccidents > > We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have > as a future capital). They said they were not happy about their > current modal split: 20% use of private automobile. they wanted it to > INCREASE to 40%, which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) > a government priority. If that is the case, they will keep on > increasing the accident rate, be it because of motorcycles or of cars. > > > > Best regards, > > > > *Carlos F. Pardo* > *Coordinador de Proyecto* > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) > Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 > Bogot? D.C., Colombia > *Tel:* +57 (1) 215 7812 > > *Fax:* +57 (1) 236 2309 > *Mobile*: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > *e-mail: *carlos.pardo@sutp.org > *P?gina:* www.sutp.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/121308ba/attachment.html From sujit at vsnl.com Fri Aug 11 17:43:23 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:13:23 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Helping to make Global South a really useful tool In-Reply-To: <005c01c6bd11$153eaac0$6401a8c0@Home> References: <005c01c6bd11$153eaac0$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0608110143y70bc1112o4f04dd3284dc4415@mail.gmail.com> 11 August 2006 Yes you are a terrible bore Eric, but I like you that way :) Yes we have been working on programmes and projects to push sustainable urban transport in Pune and apart from a small SGP grant through the Ministry of Environement Govt of India and the United Nations, have had to manage with our meagre funding. I will try to send you a note on this. Warm regards, -- Sujit On 8/11/06, Eric Britton wrote: > > I know, I know, I am a terrible bore. But what about this? > > > > 1. *Local S/T programs?* Have you been involved in or know about a > program or project that is tying to push toward more sustainable transport > arrangements in your city or region? If so, don't you think it might be > doubly useful for it to be identified and linked in the new Global South > Mobility collaborative program that we are slaving at developing at > http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/. > > 2. *Webcams:* Do you know about any webcams showing traffic in > Global South cities? If you go to News/Images/Watch City Traffic on the > working site, you will see a collection of links taken from the New Mobility > Agenda, but we need to narrow in on GS cities? Suggestions? > > > > Anything else missing or needing to be fixed before we (and you maybe) > announce this to the world. And then see what happens next. > > > > ericbritton > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/85301874/attachment.html From sujit at vsnl.com Fri Aug 11 17:43:23 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:13:23 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Helping to make Global South a really useful tool In-Reply-To: <005c01c6bd11$153eaac0$6401a8c0@Home> References: <005c01c6bd11$153eaac0$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0608110143y70bc1112o4f04dd3284dc4415@mail.gmail.com> 11 August 2006 Yes you are a terrible bore Eric, but I like you that way :) Yes we have been working on programmes and projects to push sustainable urban transport in Pune and apart from a small SGP grant through the Ministry of Environement Govt of India and the United Nations, have had to manage with our meagre funding. I will try to send you a note on this. Warm regards, -- Sujit On 8/11/06, Eric Britton wrote: > > I know, I know, I am a terrible bore. But what about this? > > > > 1. *Local S/T programs?* Have you been involved in or know about a > program or project that is tying to push toward more sustainable transport > arrangements in your city or region? If so, don't you think it might be > doubly useful for it to be identified and linked in the new Global South > Mobility collaborative program that we are slaving at developing at > http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/. > > 2. *Webcams:* Do you know about any webcams showing traffic in > Global South cities? If you go to News/Images/Watch City Traffic on the > working site, you will see a collection of links taken from the New Mobility > Agenda, but we need to narrow in on GS cities? Suggestions? > > > > Anything else missing or needing to be fixed before we (and you maybe) > announce this to the world. And then see what happens next. > > > > ericbritton > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/85301874/attachment-0001.html From sujit at vsnl.com Fri Aug 11 21:20:05 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:50:05 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> References: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0608110520o99b1dddvb84d9726b07da3f5@mail.gmail.com> 11 August 2006 This is a wonderful article, presenting different viewpoints, arguments and rationale for banning or continuing with Calcutta's (now Kolkata's) hand drawn rickshws. Now to answer Eric's questions:- 1. Yes it certainly does. 2. Yes it is. 3. I am not sure, but to the motorised vehicle users, the hand drawn rickshaw is certainly an obstruction and they (auto vehicle owners) are people with political and economic clout even in Maxist ruled Kolkata. In India by and large, vision for transportation continues to be the old outdated one where more roads, wider roads, flyovers and other infrastructure primarily benefiting the auto vehicle is seen as the ideal, and only a small though thankfully growing minority is presently articulating the alternative sustainable model based on the principle "City for people rather than for auto vehicles" so well expressed by Enrique Penalosa. So I would say that the shortsighted view would be that the hand drawn rickshaws put an economic strain on the community by obstructing fast moving motorised traffic on Kolkata's roads. However it is increasingly difficult to support this view as uncontrolled growth of personal auto vehicles in all large and growing cities in India are beginning to choke the roads, poison the air from deadly health-threatening auto emissions and contributing to the growing figure of fatal accidents caused by faster moving vehicles moving on roads carrying a wide assortment of vehicles (hand drawn rickshaws, cycle rickshaws, bicycles, handcarts, animal drawn vehicle and pedestrians). Transport Planners are only now admitting the need to consider the safety of bicyclists and pedestrians and as a result the recently announced "National Urban Transport Policy" despite the watering down from from the Draft Policy lays stress on the needs of these modes. The importance of public transport which needs far fewer vehicles to carry many times more people is also being pushed by transport experts, urban planners, NGOs and civil liberty groups all over the coutnry but this is a slow process. 4. Yes it does. 5. This is a difficult question because it is not limited to the physical design of hand drawn rickshws alone. People, especially the educated elite are not at all comfortable with this mode, even when they are sympathetic to the livelihood issue of the rickshaw puller. This is because a human being pulling other human beings or goods in a hand drawn contraption is not a pleasant sight. Perhaps if the roads were better designed, safer and with less steep portions this perception may change. Also the design of the hand drawn rickshw, potential to move up to a cycle rickshaw are issues that are not part of the current discussion. For the present we are trying to highlight that hand-drawn rickshaws need not be inhuman provided they are accepted as a component in the road planning, traffic planning and urban livelihood issue. This of course gets even more complicated because many rickshaw pullers in Kolkata are immigrants from Bangla Desh and that is a polictically sensitive issue, particularly for the right wing parties like the BJP. 6. Certainly will. 7. If the mode is suppressed the economically lowest segment will lose out. It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. I agree. Their plight is similar to the slumdwellers who are seen as parasites living off the city (general perception is they don't pay taxes, use the city's infrastructure for free and need to be eradicated) but it is increasingly clear that the opposite is true. The slumdwellers actually subsidise the city by offering cheap labour and providing services that no other group provides. Hope you find some of these points useful. -- Sujit On 8/10/06, Eric Britton wrote: > > [If I may sneak a word in here, it strikes me that after all these years > that here are the key issues that need to be sorted out for this or any > other Global South Mobility issue: > > > > 1. Does this mode provide useful mobility services? > 2. Is it affordable and available to poorer people? > 3. Is it putting an important economic strain on the community? > 4. Does it provide paid work for people who want to do it? > 5. If there is stuff that is wrong with it (long list here), and > what point by point can be done to shorten and soften this list? > 6. Will an appropriately cleaned up version of it contribute to > sustainable development and social justice ? and a softer, safer and better > city. > 7. If the mode is suppressed who wins and who loses? And what is > their economic bracket? > > > > It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem > have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these > communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not > sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. Now on the > Datta-Ray's version of the story.] > > > > > > *Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand * > > *Sunanda K. Datta-Ray International Herald Tribune * > > > > WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2006 http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/08/09/opinion/edray.php > > > > > > > *CALCUTTA* > Calcutta 's hand-drawn rickshaws - the last in the world - were granted a > reprieve while elsewhere India 's government clamped down on blogs and > Internet cafes to prevent cyber attacks. That's India 's diversity for > you. > > The rickshaw has been dying a long time. The last license was issued in > 1945. A bill to abolish the humble vehicle - its name derived from the > Japanese jinrikisha (jin, human; riki, force; sha, vehicle - "human-powered > vehicle") - was introduced last year in the West Bengal legislature but > has been sent to a select committee for further discussion. > > This dithering highlights a major difference between China and India . Mao > abolished rickshaws in one sweep, but Indian politicians, trade union > leaders and nongovernmental organizations have been arguing all these years > that a ban would deprive thousands of poor laborers of their only means of > livelihood. Rickshaws are cheap, safe and clean, unlike Calcutta buses > belching black clouds of diesel fumes. > > The opposing argument is that rickshaws violate the dignity of man. The > puller sweats it out in unbearably hot temperatures or wades through flooded > streets for a pittance. It's back- breaking work, and tuberculosis is an > occupational hazard for pullers who often live on the pavement, scrimping > and saving to send a few cents home. > > Other forces are also at work. Calcutta had only 6,000 licensed rickshaws > in the 1990s when more than 30,000 plied the streets. If you looked at the > license plates of many vehicles, you saw only squiggles instead of numbers. > If you were trundling along in one - which I wouldn't for love or money - > and your journey lay past a police station, the rickshaw puller flatly > refused to take you. > > Illegal rickshaws weren't quite rogue operators. They were owned by > influential citizens, including policemen, who rented them to the pullers > for a few rupees per shift. If caught, it was the poor puller who was fined. > One often saw rows of rickshaws - the ones that didn't get away - lined up > outside police stations. > > Hand-pulled at first, then cycle driven, rickshaws have been used at one > time or another in Tokyo , Kyoto, Hong Kong, Dhaka and most Southeast > Asian cities. They first became popular in Japan in the late 19th century, > the early Meiji period, replacing horse- drawn palanquins. Men were faster > and cheaper than horses. > > India 's rickshaws appeared first in Simla, where British viceroys escaped > the summer heat. The elite had their own vehicles with liveried pullers, and > observed strict protocol. The young Maharani of Kapurthala was reprimanded > for bowling away in her rickshaw from the theater before a British burra > memsahib could summon hers. > > Calcutta 's flourishing Chinese traders originally used rickshaws to > transport goods; in 1914 they applied for permission to carry passengers as > well. Soon, pulling a rickshaw became a peasant's first job on migrating to > the city. Many stayed with it for life. In Roland Joffe's 1992 film "City of > Joy ," based on Dominique Lapierre's eponymous novel, the Indian actor Om > Puri, playing a hard-pressed rickshaw puller who hasn't abandoned hope, > encounters an American doctor, played by Patrick Swayze, fleeing the West > with no hope at all. > > West Bengal 's governing Marxists are moving cautiously. First, several > major Calcutta streets were closed to rickshaw traffic. Then, more than > 12,000 rickshaws were seized and destroyed. The policy of not renewing > licenses has brought down the number to 1,800. The West Bengal chief > minister, Buddhdeb Bhattacharjee, promises a total ban next year. > > There are many theories about the rickshaw's origins. Three Americans - a > Massachusetts blacksmith, a Baptist minister and a missionary in Yokohama whose > invalid wife needed to get about - have been credited with the invention. So > has an Englishman known as "Public-spirited Smith." The Japanese say it was > the work of three Japanese whom the Tokyo authorities permitted to build > and sell rickshaws, providing one of them put his stamp on every license to > operate a rickshaw. > > Indians are not in the picture. But Calcutta is the rickshaw's last stand; > and a monsoon outbreak may have contributed to the last minute reprieve. > Only rickshaws can brave the city's flooded streets in which cars and buses > are regularly stalled. > > *Sunanda K. Datta-Ray is former Editor of The Statesman newspaper in > Indian.* > > > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/7186042b/attachment.html From sujit at vsnl.com Fri Aug 11 21:20:05 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:50:05 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> References: <000901c6bc76$c9a2a480$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0608110520o99b1dddvb84d9726b07da3f5@mail.gmail.com> 11 August 2006 This is a wonderful article, presenting different viewpoints, arguments and rationale for banning or continuing with Calcutta's (now Kolkata's) hand drawn rickshws. Now to answer Eric's questions:- 1. Yes it certainly does. 2. Yes it is. 3. I am not sure, but to the motorised vehicle users, the hand drawn rickshaw is certainly an obstruction and they (auto vehicle owners) are people with political and economic clout even in Maxist ruled Kolkata. In India by and large, vision for transportation continues to be the old outdated one where more roads, wider roads, flyovers and other infrastructure primarily benefiting the auto vehicle is seen as the ideal, and only a small though thankfully growing minority is presently articulating the alternative sustainable model based on the principle "City for people rather than for auto vehicles" so well expressed by Enrique Penalosa. So I would say that the shortsighted view would be that the hand drawn rickshaws put an economic strain on the community by obstructing fast moving motorised traffic on Kolkata's roads. However it is increasingly difficult to support this view as uncontrolled growth of personal auto vehicles in all large and growing cities in India are beginning to choke the roads, poison the air from deadly health-threatening auto emissions and contributing to the growing figure of fatal accidents caused by faster moving vehicles moving on roads carrying a wide assortment of vehicles (hand drawn rickshaws, cycle rickshaws, bicycles, handcarts, animal drawn vehicle and pedestrians). Transport Planners are only now admitting the need to consider the safety of bicyclists and pedestrians and as a result the recently announced "National Urban Transport Policy" despite the watering down from from the Draft Policy lays stress on the needs of these modes. The importance of public transport which needs far fewer vehicles to carry many times more people is also being pushed by transport experts, urban planners, NGOs and civil liberty groups all over the coutnry but this is a slow process. 4. Yes it does. 5. This is a difficult question because it is not limited to the physical design of hand drawn rickshws alone. People, especially the educated elite are not at all comfortable with this mode, even when they are sympathetic to the livelihood issue of the rickshaw puller. This is because a human being pulling other human beings or goods in a hand drawn contraption is not a pleasant sight. Perhaps if the roads were better designed, safer and with less steep portions this perception may change. Also the design of the hand drawn rickshw, potential to move up to a cycle rickshaw are issues that are not part of the current discussion. For the present we are trying to highlight that hand-drawn rickshaws need not be inhuman provided they are accepted as a component in the road planning, traffic planning and urban livelihood issue. This of course gets even more complicated because many rickshaw pullers in Kolkata are immigrants from Bangla Desh and that is a polictically sensitive issue, particularly for the right wing parties like the BJP. 6. Certainly will. 7. If the mode is suppressed the economically lowest segment will lose out. It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. I agree. Their plight is similar to the slumdwellers who are seen as parasites living off the city (general perception is they don't pay taxes, use the city's infrastructure for free and need to be eradicated) but it is increasingly clear that the opposite is true. The slumdwellers actually subsidise the city by offering cheap labour and providing services that no other group provides. Hope you find some of these points useful. -- Sujit On 8/10/06, Eric Britton wrote: > > [If I may sneak a word in here, it strikes me that after all these years > that here are the key issues that need to be sorted out for this or any > other Global South Mobility issue: > > > > 1. Does this mode provide useful mobility services? > 2. Is it affordable and available to poorer people? > 3. Is it putting an important economic strain on the community? > 4. Does it provide paid work for people who want to do it? > 5. If there is stuff that is wrong with it (long list here), and > what point by point can be done to shorten and soften this list? > 6. Will an appropriately cleaned up version of it contribute to > sustainable development and social justice ? and a softer, safer and better > city. > 7. If the mode is suppressed who wins and who loses? And what is > their economic bracket? > > > > It always strikes me that those who take up arms against these modes seem > have no deep feeling for what is happening on the street and in these > communities, and take to it an abstract deus ex machina attitude I am not > sure that this is the stuff of good policy and democracy. Now on the > Datta-Ray's version of the story.] > > > > > > *Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand * > > *Sunanda K. Datta-Ray International Herald Tribune * > > > > WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 9, 2006 http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/08/09/opinion/edray.php > > > > > > > *CALCUTTA* > Calcutta 's hand-drawn rickshaws - the last in the world - were granted a > reprieve while elsewhere India 's government clamped down on blogs and > Internet cafes to prevent cyber attacks. That's India 's diversity for > you. > > The rickshaw has been dying a long time. The last license was issued in > 1945. A bill to abolish the humble vehicle - its name derived from the > Japanese jinrikisha (jin, human; riki, force; sha, vehicle - "human-powered > vehicle") - was introduced last year in the West Bengal legislature but > has been sent to a select committee for further discussion. > > This dithering highlights a major difference between China and India . Mao > abolished rickshaws in one sweep, but Indian politicians, trade union > leaders and nongovernmental organizations have been arguing all these years > that a ban would deprive thousands of poor laborers of their only means of > livelihood. Rickshaws are cheap, safe and clean, unlike Calcutta buses > belching black clouds of diesel fumes. > > The opposing argument is that rickshaws violate the dignity of man. The > puller sweats it out in unbearably hot temperatures or wades through flooded > streets for a pittance. It's back- breaking work, and tuberculosis is an > occupational hazard for pullers who often live on the pavement, scrimping > and saving to send a few cents home. > > Other forces are also at work. Calcutta had only 6,000 licensed rickshaws > in the 1990s when more than 30,000 plied the streets. If you looked at the > license plates of many vehicles, you saw only squiggles instead of numbers. > If you were trundling along in one - which I wouldn't for love or money - > and your journey lay past a police station, the rickshaw puller flatly > refused to take you. > > Illegal rickshaws weren't quite rogue operators. They were owned by > influential citizens, including policemen, who rented them to the pullers > for a few rupees per shift. If caught, it was the poor puller who was fined. > One often saw rows of rickshaws - the ones that didn't get away - lined up > outside police stations. > > Hand-pulled at first, then cycle driven, rickshaws have been used at one > time or another in Tokyo , Kyoto, Hong Kong, Dhaka and most Southeast > Asian cities. They first became popular in Japan in the late 19th century, > the early Meiji period, replacing horse- drawn palanquins. Men were faster > and cheaper than horses. > > India 's rickshaws appeared first in Simla, where British viceroys escaped > the summer heat. The elite had their own vehicles with liveried pullers, and > observed strict protocol. The young Maharani of Kapurthala was reprimanded > for bowling away in her rickshaw from the theater before a British burra > memsahib could summon hers. > > Calcutta 's flourishing Chinese traders originally used rickshaws to > transport goods; in 1914 they applied for permission to carry passengers as > well. Soon, pulling a rickshaw became a peasant's first job on migrating to > the city. Many stayed with it for life. In Roland Joffe's 1992 film "City of > Joy ," based on Dominique Lapierre's eponymous novel, the Indian actor Om > Puri, playing a hard-pressed rickshaw puller who hasn't abandoned hope, > encounters an American doctor, played by Patrick Swayze, fleeing the West > with no hope at all. > > West Bengal 's governing Marxists are moving cautiously. First, several > major Calcutta streets were closed to rickshaw traffic. Then, more than > 12,000 rickshaws were seized and destroyed. The policy of not renewing > licenses has brought down the number to 1,800. The West Bengal chief > minister, Buddhdeb Bhattacharjee, promises a total ban next year. > > There are many theories about the rickshaw's origins. Three Americans - a > Massachusetts blacksmith, a Baptist minister and a missionary in Yokohama whose > invalid wife needed to get about - have been credited with the invention. So > has an Englishman known as "Public-spirited Smith." The Japanese say it was > the work of three Japanese whom the Tokyo authorities permitted to build > and sell rickshaws, providing one of them put his stamp on every license to > operate a rickshaw. > > Indians are not in the picture. But Calcutta is the rickshaw's last stand; > and a monsoon outbreak may have contributed to the last minute reprieve. > Only rickshaws can brave the city's flooded streets in which cars and buses > are regularly stalled. > > *Sunanda K. Datta-Ray is former Editor of The Statesman newspaper in > Indian.* > > > > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/7186042b/attachment-0001.html From sguttikunda at gmail.com Fri Aug 11 22:02:15 2006 From: sguttikunda at gmail.com (Sarath Guttikunda) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:02:15 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <44DB37FA.7030103@freenet.de> References: <44DB37FA.7030103@freenet.de> Message-ID: <683ba1ca0608110602v2ba0addcr70e45336486b9d2c@mail.gmail.com> Even in Wahsington DC downtown (Chinatown), now there are couple of Cycle Rickshaws that go around. I don't think these are meant for long distances as rickshaws average in Dhaka or Calcutta, but they seem to doing a fair amount of business with the tourists. Sarath On 8/10/06, Robert Bartlett wrote: > > I suspect rickshaws are anything but 'on the way out'. For example they > are in increasing use in Europe and - in Europe and elsewhere - are put > to a much greater range of uses than you might think. See the document > "rickshaws in Dhaka" at > > > http://www.schorrell-analysis.de/Publications/Publications_List/Book_6/book_6.html > > I'm also involved in 2 other related documents (rickshaws in Europe and > rickshaws in India/the Ecotrike) which should be ready for publishing in > early September. > > Robert Bartlett > > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/c687643d/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Aug 11 22:21:38 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:21:38 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Message-ID: <00f601c6bd49$141af0d0$0200a8c0@archibaldo> I think that is the basic difference between cycle rickshaws in developing and developed countries: in the former, they are used for trips which are much longer than in places like Europe or some cities in the US. I guess the best way to use rickshaws is as a short-distance mode and as an integration mode for mass transit. If the Colombian Ministry of Transport understood this, biketaxis (or cyclerickshaws) would be permitted on the roads, increasing the catchment area of TransMilenio up to 2 km or more! I usually ride a(n illegal) biketaxi from a TransMilenio station ( Estaci?n Prado) to my house. It?s sometimes too long to walk that far, and I will never take a taxi for such a short ride (also, bicycle parking has only been built in terminal stations, so there is no way to leave the bicycle). I tried attaching two pictures of the informal biketaxis in Bogot?, but it didn?t come through. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Sarath Guttikunda Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 08:02 a.m. Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Asunto: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Even in Wahsington DC downtown (Chinatown), now there are couple of Cycle Rickshaws that go around. I don't think these are meant for long distances as rickshaws average in Dhaka or Calcutta, but they seem to doing a fair amount of business with the tourists. Sarath On 8/10/06, Robert Bartlett wrote: I suspect rickshaws are anything but 'on the way out'. For example they are in increasing use in Europe and - in Europe and elsewhere - are put to a much greater range of uses than you might think. See the document "rickshaws in Dhaka" at http://www.schorrell-analysis.de/Publications/Publications_List/Book_6/book_ 6.html I'm also involved in 2 other related documents (rickshaws in Europe and rickshaws in India/the Ecotrike) which should be ready for publishing in early September. Robert Bartlett ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/91bbb4fe/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Sat Aug 12 00:35:35 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:35:35 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries InFatal RoadAccidents In-Reply-To: <44DC3EE4.2020408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013201c6bd5b$cae02a80$0200a8c0@archibaldo> Another way to improve the situation is to have policymakers actually use bicycles and public transport. That would make them understand what 85% of the population is dealing with. Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Sunny Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 03:25 a.m. Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Asunto: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries InFatal RoadAccidents Yes, I agree with your comment Alan and am also surprised by the mindset of the govt people from Carlos' mail. Regarding your question What does it Tak...? from my view I can think of only two answers one is to enlighten the authorities like wht you will be doing in Mumbai, the tile looks very promising. The second one is let the cities learn by themselves which will cost a huge amount in terms of money, environment and even social capitals. The aspect that has to be seen is equity in transport modes in not the requirement but the priority of NMT and PT is the most important thing. Sunny P.S: It would be kind of you if u can post the proceedings of the conference if u find any other interesting presentations. Alan Howes wrote: It's very depressing. In developing countries with low car ownership, politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as car ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic development. Do they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the same way, I wonder? What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to realise the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for their country but for the global community? I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my currently suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP Sent: 10 August 2006 13:24 To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal RoadAccidents We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal split: 20% use of private automobile. they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it because of motorcycles or of cars. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/51d2f998/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Aug 12 04:03:34 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 21:03:34 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Global South Mobility, sustainable transport and social justice - and you? Message-ID: <00a401c6bd78$d93b38a0$6401a8c0@Home> Dear Gatnet Friends, Does the world at this point have too many programs and websites about sustainable transport and social justice? Well, I guess we can say that with certainty only once we have managed to get moving in the right direction for all, and not least the women and children of this world who are proof that there is much that yet needs to be done. So, here we are with a new program devoted to sustainable transport in the developing world that we hope may interest at least some of you, Global South Mobility which you will find at http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/. The program is still under development, having stated out in cooperation with our colleagues at Sustran's Global South forum which is serving as the main "Idea Factory" for GSM. You will also note that there are hot links to this Gatnet Forum, and we are hopeful that there will be scope for significant creative interaction. That indeed is what this program is all about since we call it a "collaborative relay station". If you wish to join us and have a look, best will be to sign in to the Forum, which you can do by clicking to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss and filling in the form. It's that simple. You also may want to take note of the "News & Media", links one of which take you to the Global South Video Library, a lively assembly of more than 70 videos, most of which every short but making a clear demonstration of principle. There is also an excellent explanatory note by Paul Barter of the Sustran list on the videos which I for one find very insightful. There is also the beginnings of several photo libraries - visual evidence of problems and solutions being important. I bring these last to you, in the hope that if you have contributions you will share them with us. They can either be posted directly or sent on to me who will do the necessary. A new year is about to get underway in September and I am sure that it will reserve at least a few happy surprise for us all, but above all more challenges. For which we have to be together. Eric Britton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/5542984c/attachment-0001.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Aug 11 22:16:07 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:16:07 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <683ba1ca0608110602v2ba0addcr70e45336486b9d2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ed01c6bd48$548ab7f0$0200a8c0@archibaldo> I think that is the basic difference between cycle rickshaws in developing and developed countries: in the former, they are used for trips which are much longer than in places like Europe or some cities in the US. I guess the best way to use rickshaws is as a short-distance mode and as an integration mode for mass transit. If the Colombian Ministry of Transport understood this, biketaxis (or cyclerickshaws) would be permitted on the roads, increasing the catchment area of TransMilenio up to 2 km or more! I usually ride a(n illegal) biketaxi from a TransMilenio station ( Estaci?n Prado) to my house. It?s sometimes too long to walk that far, and I will never take a taxi for such a short ride (also, bicycle parking has only been built in terminal stations, so there is no way to leave the bicycle). I?m attaching two pictures of the informal biketaxis in Bogot?. I hope they come through. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Sarath Guttikunda Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 08:02 a.m. Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Asunto: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Even in Wahsington DC downtown (Chinatown), now there are couple of Cycle Rickshaws that go around. I don't think these are meant for long distances as rickshaws average in Dhaka or Calcutta, but they seem to doing a fair amount of business with the tourists. Sarath On 8/10/06, Robert Bartlett wrote: I suspect rickshaws are anything but 'on the way out'. For example they are in increasing use in Europe and - in Europe and elsewhere - are put to a much greater range of uses than you might think. See the document "rickshaws in Dhaka" at http://www.schorrell-analysis.de/Publications/Publications_List/Book_6/book_ 6.html I'm also involved in 2 other related documents (rickshaws in Europe and rickshaws in India/the Ecotrike) which should be ready for publishing in early September. Robert Bartlett ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/079644d6/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: biketaxi80-detail.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 57826 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/079644d6/biketaxi80-detail.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bicitaxi-detail.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 60323 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060811/079644d6/bicitaxi-detail.jpg From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Aug 14 01:53:02 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 18:53:02 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities - Wikipedia definitions for your info and completion Message-ID: <009701c6bef8$f1db8460$6401a8c0@Home> Dear Colleagues, As some of you know, we give considerably importance to ensuring that the Wikipedia open encyclopedia be developed into a reliable place for information on transport in cities, sustainable transport, and the New Mobility Agenda and all of its many parts. Terms that may be as familiar as our hands to you and me are often entirely unknown to many people, including the media (who do come to the Wikipedia for help) as well as many researchers, policy makers and people coming in from other fields. Thus it is important that they have a reliable place to turn to when they encounter these new terms. If you go to the Agenda you will see on the top menu an item labeled Key Definitions, which will take you to our pivot page for the work that we are charring out on this new and important reference source. As you will note there thus far coverage extends to the following categories that we view as important in this context: (each of the following are clickable if you are heading this in html and will take you directly to the entry. Transport/Transportation , Transport in cities , Sustainable transportation , New Mobility Agenda , Bicycle commuting , BRT - Bus rapid transit , Car Free Days , Carpooling , Carsharing (in 5 languages) , Congestion charging, road pricing, Cycling as transport , E-Work , Flextime, flexible hours , Hierarchy of roads , HOV Lane , Paratransit , Pedestrianisation , Pedestrian friendly, Precautionary_principle , Public space , Ride-sharing , Segregated cycle facilities , Share Taxi , Shared space (Monderman principles and applications) , Street hierarchy , Taxi futures , Telecommuting , Telework , Traffic Calming , Transit-Oriented Development , Transit-proximate development , United Nations Car Free Days , Walking as transportation . And while I would like to invite you to pick through those items that are of particular interest tot you, and either to edit directly if that is your taste or to let us know and we?ll do it for you, today I want to draw your attention to an entry that I just made today under their ?transport? rubric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport, which upon consulting earlier today I found to be flagrantly deficient, the usual supply oriented stuff with the usual grunts about energy ? so I jammed in and created the attached entry in an attempt to elucidate the special qualities and problems associated with moving around in cities. Here you have it and I would be very grateful if you would add too, correct, etc. so that we have a world quality entry here. Each of these steps may seem so small, but they are all I truly believe important building blocks. Thanks for knowing in if your time and interest permit. ericbritton Transport in cities Transport in cities, the ways that people and goods move through and serve the complex physical, economic and social metabolism of these living organisms, presents a special case. The city presents an unusual context for transport, mobility and policy choices because of the much higher densities of people and activities relative to the rest. This leads to a situation where environmental, economic, public health, social and quality of life considerations and constraints become at least equi-important to pure mobility objectives and requirements. Traditionally however urban transport analysis, policies and the investments that follow have been lead by professional transport planners and traffic experts, who have by and large made use of the same forecasting and response tools that they have used to good effect in other sectors. The result of relying on these technical tools has led in most cities to a substantial overbuilding of the road and supporting infrastructure, which has maximized throughput in terms of the numbers of vehicles and the speeds with which they pass through and move around in the build up areas. Too much infrastructure and too much smoothing of it for vehicle throughput and speeds has created situations in which in many cities there is not only too much traffic and all the negative impacts that go with it. This is the dilemma of transport policy and practice in our cities today, with the negative results that can be clearly observed in all too many places. It is only in recent years that these traditional practices have started to be questioned in many places, and as a result of new types of analysis which bring in a much broader range of skills than those traditionally relied on ? spanning such areas as environmental impact analysis, public health, sociologists as well as economists who increasingly are questioning the viability of the old mobility solutions, we are today at a turn in the road as far as transport in cities is concerned. It is critically important that analytic procedures and practices in the sector are radically revised and rendered more appropriate for the emerging and very different circumstances presented by 21st century cities. First, because that?s where half of the earth?s population already is. Second because these are the areas with by far the highest growth rates. Third, most of this growth is now taking place in the Global South, whose cities are growing out of control. And hand in had with this because the number of motor vehicles (including two wheeled vehicles and especially in the countries of the developing world) is exploding, leading to levels of traffic and problems which far exceed anything ever seen in the past. The field of transport planning and policy in cities is under enormous pressure for change, but despite this the traditional approaches continue to dominate in most places. This is certainly the main battle ground for transport policy in the years immediately ahead. (You will find more on this topic here in the sections on Sustainable Transportation and the New Mobility Agenda. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060813/a08af1eb/attachment-0001.html From edelman at greenidea.info Mon Aug 14 03:21:05 2006 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Transport in cities - Wikipedia definitions for your info and completion In-Reply-To: <009701c6bef8$f1db8460$6401a8c0@Home> References: <009701c6bef8$f1db8460$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <3663.213.180.39.70.1155493265.squirrel@mail.smartweb.cz> Eric Britton said: > Dear Colleagues, > > As some of you know, we give considerably importance to ensuring that the > Wikipedia open encyclopedia be developed into a reliable place for > information on transport in cities, sustainable transport, and the New > Mobility Agenda and all of its many parts. Terms that may be as familiar > as our hands to you and me are often entirely unknown to many people, > including the media (who do come to the Wikipedia for help) as well as > many researchers, policy makers and people coming in from other fields. > Thus it is important that they have a reliable place to turn to when they > encounter these new terms. The way in which younger people think about things like "streets" (The Wiki entry is fair and relatively comprehensive but leaves out some things like contraflow, naked streets, etc) can have a big effect on their whole lives and how they think about proximity and mobility, cars and feet. So feed the whole world through Wiki! In this space some months back I said that many city streets werent streets anymore, but just part of the grostesquely large global parking lot as they had de-evolved to monopurpose. Hopefully I can add this stuff to the Wiki "streets" entry soon.... or I might add a new definition "the global parking lot"... - T ------------------------------------------------------ Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory ++420 605 915 970 edelman@greenidea.info http://www.worldcarfree.net/onthetrain Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network CASA: Complementary, Appropriate, Sustainable Access CASA is the salad in which a tomato is public transport and "mobility" is a hamburger (possibly a good one, possibly not) From jay.corrales at gmail.com Mon Aug 14 03:57:19 2006 From: jay.corrales at gmail.com (Jay Corrales) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:57:19 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand In-Reply-To: <00ed01c6bd48$548ab7f0$0200a8c0@archibaldo> Message-ID: <44df7620.2b66942d.0389.ffff9885@mx.gmail.com> Hi Carlos, We have cycle taxis/rickshaws here in San Diego, California, USA in our downtown area. They work out okay, but I think the main complaint is that they are extremely expensive so it makes them an undesireable form of transit. I am not quite sure what the issues are that cause them to be much more expensive than Auto Taxis, but I think it may have to do with lower demand for cycle rickshaws and high licensing taxes for the owners (as well as a reinforcing demand feedback loop when word gets around about them being too expensive). I wonder if there could be any public policy mandate that would improve their service. If anyone has any feedback, it would be much appreciated. Jay Corrales Board of Directors - Move San Diego San Diego, CA _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+jay.corrales=gmail.com@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+jay.corrales=gmail.com@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 6:16 AM To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Subject: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand I think that is the basic difference between cycle rickshaws in developing and developed countries: in the former, they are used for trips which are much longer than in places like Europe or some cities in the US. I guess the best way to use rickshaws is as a short-distance mode and as an integration mode for mass transit. If the Colombian Ministry of Transport understood this, biketaxis (or cyclerickshaws) would be permitted on the roads, increasing the catchment area of TransMilenio up to 2 km or more! I usually ride a(n illegal) biketaxi from a TransMilenio station ( Estaci?n Prado) to my house. It?s sometimes too long to walk that far, and I will never take a taxi for such a short ride (also, bicycle parking has only been built in terminal stations, so there is no way to leave the bicycle). I?m attaching two pictures of the informal biketaxis in Bogot?. I hope they come through. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Sarath Guttikunda Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 08:02 a.m. Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Asunto: [sustran] Re: Meanwhile: The rickshaw's last stand Even in Wahsington DC downtown (Chinatown), now there are couple of Cycle Rickshaws that go around. I don't think these are meant for long distances as rickshaws average in Dhaka or Calcutta, but they seem to doing a fair amount of business with the tourists. Sarath On 8/10/06, Robert Bartlett wrote: I suspect rickshaws are anything but 'on the way out'. For example they are in increasing use in Europe and - in Europe and elsewhere - are put to a much greater range of uses than you might think. See the document "rickshaws in Dhaka" at http://www.schorrell-analysis.de/Publications/Publications_List/Book_6/book_ 6.html I'm also involved in 2 other related documents (rickshaws in Europe and rickshaws in India/the Ecotrike) which should be ready for publishing in early September. Robert Bartlett ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060813/9d2d3c04/attachment.html From etts at indigo.ie Mon Aug 14 06:17:15 2006 From: etts at indigo.ie (Brendan Finn) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:17:15 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transport in cities - Wikipedia definitions for your infoand completion References: <009701c6bef8$f1db8460$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <003d01c6bf1d$daad8700$0401a8c0@finn> Dear Eric, I am willing to provide an item on Demand Responsive Transport in the style of the current entries. Within Paratransit there is a reference to DRT, but the link lead to a page which does not yet have content. I will also review and provide any commentary on BRT and Paratransit. On first glance the BRT section is quite comprehensive, with good links. However, I need to look in detail to see whether it covers the level below BRT - Quality Bus Corridor, Green/Red Routes, etc. I will complete the inputs by Friday August 25th. I would also be willing to provide material on regulatory frameworks for urban public transport, but I'm not sure if this fits in the structure - I'll need to work through all the other sections to see whether it's appropriate. With best wishes, Brendan. _____________________________________________________________________________________ >From Brendan Finn, ETTS Ltd. e-mail : etts@indigo.ie tel : +353.87.2530286 ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Britton To: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com ; WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:53 PM Subject: [sustran] Transport in cities - Wikipedia definitions for your infoand completion Dear Colleagues, As some of you know, we give considerably importance to ensuring that the Wikipedia open encyclopedia be developed into a reliable place for information on transport in cities, sustainable transport, and the New Mobility Agenda and all of its many parts. Terms that may be as familiar as our hands to you and me are often entirely unknown to many people, including the media (who do come to the Wikipedia for help) as well as many researchers, policy makers and people coming in from other fields. Thus it is important that they have a reliable place to turn to when they encounter these new terms. If you go to the Agenda you will see on the top menu an item labeled Key Definitions, which will take you to our pivot page for the work that we are charring out on this new and important reference source. As you will note there thus far coverage extends to the following categories that we view as important in this context: (each of the following are clickable if you are heading this in html and will take you directly to the entry. Transport/Transportation, Transport in cities, Sustainable transportation, New Mobility Agenda, Bicycle commuting, BRT - Bus rapid transit, Car Free Days, Carpooling, Carsharing (in 5 languages), Congestion charging, road pricing, Cycling as transport, E-Work, Flextime, flexible hours, Hierarchy of roads, HOV Lane, Paratransit, Pedestrianisation, Pedestrian friendly, Precautionary_principle, Public space, Ride-sharing, Segregated cycle facilities, Share Taxi, Shared space (Monderman principles and applications), Street hierarchy, Taxi futures, Telecommuting, Telework, Traffic Calming, Transit-Oriented Development, Transit-proximate development, United Nations Car Free Days, Walking as transportation. And while I would like to invite you to pick through those items that are of particular interest tot you, and either to edit directly if that is your taste or to let us know and we?ll do it for you, today I want to draw your attention to an entry that I just made today under their ?transport? rubric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport, which upon consulting earlier today I found to be flagrantly deficient, the usual supply oriented stuff with the usual grunts about energy ? so I jammed in and created the attached entry in an attempt to elucidate the special qualities and problems associated with moving around in cities. Here you have it and I would be very grateful if you would add too, correct, etc. so that we have a world quality entry here. Each of these steps may seem so small, but they are all I truly believe important building blocks. Thanks for knowing in if your time and interest permit. ericbritton Transport in cities Transport in cities, the ways that people and goods move through and serve the complex physical, economic and social metabolism of these living organisms, presents a special case. The city presents an unusual context for transport, mobility and policy choices because of the much higher densities of people and activities relative to the rest. This leads to a situation where environmental, economic, public health, social and quality of life considerations and constraints become at least equi-important to pure mobility objectives and requirements. Traditionally however urban transport analysis, policies and the investments that follow have been lead by professional transport planners and traffic experts, who have by and large made use of the same forecasting and response tools that they have used to good effect in other sectors. The result of relying on these technical tools has led in most cities to a substantial overbuilding of the road and supporting infrastructure, which has maximized throughput in terms of the numbers of vehicles and the speeds with which they pass through and move around in the build up areas. Too much infrastructure and too much smoothing of it for vehicle throughput and speeds has created situations in which in many cities there is not only too much traffic and all the negative impacts that go with it. This is the dilemma of transport policy and practice in our cities today, with the negative results that can be clearly observed in all too many places. It is only in recent years that these traditional practices have started to be questioned in many places, and as a result of new types of analysis which bring in a much broader range of skills than those traditionally relied on ? spanning such areas as environmental impact analysis, public health, sociologists as well as economists who increasingly are questioning the viability of the old mobility solutions, we are today at a turn in the road as far as transport in cities is concerned. It is critically important that analytic procedures and practices in the sector are radically revised and rendered more appropriate for the emerging and very different circumstances presented by 21st century cities. First, because that?s where half of the earth?s population already is. Second because these are the areas with by far the highest growth rates. Third, most of this growth is now taking place in the Global South, whose cities are growing out of control. And hand in had with this because the number of motor vehicles (including two wheeled vehicles and especially in the countries of the developing world) is exploding, leading to levels of traffic and problems which far exceed anything ever seen in the past. The field of transport planning and policy in cities is under enormous pressure for change, but despite this the traditional approaches continue to dominate in most places. This is certainly the main battle ground for transport policy in the years immediately ahead. (You will find more on this topic here in the sections on Sustainable Transportation and the New Mobility Agenda. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060813/3c44625d/attachment.html From sulin at vectordesigns.org Mon Aug 14 11:31:50 2006 From: sulin at vectordesigns.org (Su-Lin Chee) Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 22:31:50 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries InFatal RoadAccidents Message-ID: hear hear! > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > Another way to improve the situation is to have policymakers actually use > bicycles and public transport. That would make them understand what 85% of > the population is dealing with. > > > > Carlos F. Pardo > Coordinador de Proyecto > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) > Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 > Bogot? D.C., Colombia > Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 > > Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 > Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org > P?gina: www.sutp.org > > > > _____ > > De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss- bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En > nombre de Sunny > Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 03:25 a.m. > Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport > Asunto: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries InFatal > RoadAccidents > > > > Yes, I agree with your comment Alan and am also surprised by the mindset of > the govt people from Carlos' mail. Regarding your question What does it > Tak...? from my view I can think of only two answers one is to enlighten the > authorities like wht you will be doing in Mumbai, the tile looks very > promising. The second one is let the cities learn by themselves which will > cost a huge amount in terms of money, environment and even social capitals. > > The aspect that has to be seen is equity in transport modes in not the > requirement but the priority of NMT and PT is the most important thing. > > Sunny > > P.S: It would be kind of you if u can post the proceedings of the conference > if u find any other interesting presentations. > > Alan Howes wrote: > > It's very depressing. In developing countries with low car ownership, > politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as car > ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic development. Do > they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the same way, I wonder? > > > > What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to realise > the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for their country > but for the global community? > > > > I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my currently > suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". > > > > Alan > > > > -- > Alan Howes > Associate Transport Planner > Colin Buchanan > 4 St Colme Street > Edinburgh EH3 6AA > Scotland > email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk > tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) > (0)7952 464335 (mobile) > fax: (0)131 220 0232 > www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ > > > > > > _____ > > From: sustran-discuss- bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss- bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP > Sent: 10 August 2006 13:24 > To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' > Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal > RoadAccidents > > We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a > future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal > split: 20% use of private automobile. they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, > which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. > If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it > because of motorcycles or of cars. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Carlos F. Pardo > Coordinador de Proyecto > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) > Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 > Bogot? D.C., Colombia > Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 > > Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 > Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org > P?gina: www.sutp.org > > > > > Best wishes, Su-Lin Chee project manager klang valley public transportation information system vector designs www.vectordesigns.org 54a jalan kemuja bangsar utama 59000 kuala lumpur tel/fax +603.22826363 mobile +6016.2183363 From cvegjl at nus.edu.sg Mon Aug 14 11:43:26 2006 From: cvegjl at nus.edu.sg (Guevarra, Joselito Lomada) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:43:26 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th AmongCountries InFatal RoadAccidents In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8C91742CAD38BB42B1703D7D2BD0DCB10E754F@MBX03.stf.nus.edu.sg> And how do you intend to do this? Riding bicycles or public transport once or twice won't sway them that easily...they need to do it over a long period of time...continuously. jojo -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Su-Lin Chee Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:32 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th AmongCountries InFatal RoadAccidents hear hear! > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > Another way to improve the situation is to have policymakers actually use > bicycles and public transport. That would make them understand what 85% of > the population is dealing with. > > > > Carlos F. Pardo > Coordinador de Proyecto > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # > 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia > Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 > > Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 > Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org > P?gina: www.sutp.org > > > > _____ > > De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss- bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En > nombre de Sunny > Enviado el: Viernes, 11 de Agosto de 2006 03:25 a.m. > Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport > Asunto: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries InFatal > RoadAccidents > > > > Yes, I agree with your comment Alan and am also surprised by the mindset of > the govt people from Carlos' mail. Regarding your question What does it > Tak...? from my view I can think of only two answers one is to enlighten the > authorities like wht you will be doing in Mumbai, the tile looks very > promising. The second one is let the cities learn by themselves which will > cost a huge amount in terms of money, environment and even social capitals. > > The aspect that has to be seen is equity in transport modes in not the > requirement but the priority of NMT and PT is the most important thing. > > Sunny > > P.S: It would be kind of you if u can post the proceedings of the conference > if u find any other interesting presentations. > > Alan Howes wrote: > > It's very depressing. In developing countries with low car ownership, > politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as car > ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic development. Do > they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the same way, I wonder? > > > > What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to realise > the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for their country > but for the global community? > > > > I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my currently > suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". > > > > Alan > > > > -- > Alan Howes > Associate Transport Planner > Colin Buchanan > 4 St Colme Street > Edinburgh EH3 6AA > Scotland > email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk > tel: (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) > (0)7952 464335 (mobile) > fax: (0)131 220 0232 > www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ > > > > > > _____ > > From: sustran-discuss- bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss- bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP > Sent: 10 August 2006 13:24 > To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' > Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal > RoadAccidents > > We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a > future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal > split: 20% use of private automobile. they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, > which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. > If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it > because of motorcycles or of cars. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Carlos F. Pardo > Coordinador de Proyecto > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # > 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia > Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 > > Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 > Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org > P?gina: www.sutp.org > > > > > Best wishes, Su-Lin Chee project manager klang valley public transportation information system vector designs www.vectordesigns.org 54a jalan kemuja bangsar utama 59000 kuala lumpur tel/fax +603.22826363 mobile +6016.2183363 ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From sulin at vectordesigns.org Fri Aug 11 11:13:54 2006 From: sulin at vectordesigns.org (Su-Lin Chee) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:13:54 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: Global South Mobility - getting there at http://www.globalsouthmobility.org/ Message-ID: Hello Mr Britton and everyone We are not an NGO group as such but may I propose a link to my organization's site, if this goes through? It's got the only detailed map for public transportation (albeit not very current, and just flat images) in Kuala Lumpur. But we will be updating the map and content very soon. :) Name: Kuala Lumput public transport map url: http://www.vectordesigns.org/KLPTMap.htm contact: info@vectordesigns.org description: To-scale map of rail transit and bus routes within Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. With bus stops and train stations. Thanks! :) sulin > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > We are getting some very good ideas and support for this proposed 'relay > station' for Global South Mobility, but before we go public with it I would like > to ask any of you who may care to have another look? > John Ernst has suggested two things: > 1. That we should be trying to provide links to more local groups that have > web sites with some transport content. Excellent. Can you help us with this? > Their name, URL, email of a good contact and if your time permits a very short > 2/r line description of who they are and what they do. > 2. He wanted to see more under the News category, so we have tried to > improve. Have a look and let us have your suggestions for more. > If you can help us make this a better and more useful site, that would be so > much appreciated. By us all I think. > ericbritton > > > Best wishes, Su-Lin Chee project manager klang valley public transportation information system vector designs www.vectordesigns.org 54a jalan kemuja bangsar utama 59000 kuala lumpur tel/fax +603.22826363 mobile +6016.2183363 From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Aug 14 15:05:52 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 08:05:52 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Low Car Diet? In-Reply-To: <8C91742CAD38BB42B1703D7D2BD0DCB10E754F@MBX03.stf.nus.edu.sg> Message-ID: <004101c6bf67$b4e2b190$6401a8c0@Home> Joselito Lomada Guevarra writes on this date on the subject of Carlos Prado's suggestion that we somehow get policy makers to use cycles and/or public transport themselves to better understand the possibilities and needs of us ordinary people in our day to day lives: "And how do you intend to do this? Riding bicycles or public transport once or twice won't sway them that easily...they need to do it over a long period of time...continuously. Indeed that's where we think that a concept like the Low-Car Diet might be put to use with real results. Low Car Diet? Never heard of it? Well click http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2 006-25%2CGGLG%3Aen&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Low+car+diet&as_oq=&as_eq=carb&lr=& as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearc h=&as_rights=&safe=images 60,000 (SIXTY THOUSAND) entries in Google. Pressure your political representatives and candidates for public office to go on a public low car diet. Help them. Organize a local event and gets lots of people to give it a try. As you can see through Google, here is a New Mobility concept for which it is easy to get media attention. What a simple concept! A full month. That is a real commitment to sustainability. No matter what the final decision of that individual might be. Not to worry, they will be changed in some fundamental ways for life. PS. IN the New Mobility Briefs ( http://newmobilitypartners.org) we are going to do a special issue on Low Car Diets. Stay tuned. PPS. What about this as a project that can be announced in your city for your next Car Free Day? That's exactly what they are for by the way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060814/1367c375/attachment.html From aquaboi924 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 14 17:21:28 2006 From: aquaboi924 at yahoo.com (Jojo Guevarra) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 01:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: Low Car Diet? In-Reply-To: <004101c6bf67$b4e2b190$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <20060814082128.46653.qmail@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> eric, i respect you but please don't use or address me by my full name. unless you want to honor me, which i highly doubt, it is insulting. i'd prefer jojo instead. thank you. now, i'm on vacation and have no time for banter so i'll catch you guys later...cheers. jojo ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Britton To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Cc: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com; LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:05:52 PM Subject: [sustran] Low Car Diet? Joselito Lomada Guevarra writes on this date on the subject of Carlos Prado?s suggestion that we somehow get policy makers to use cycles and/or public transport themselves to better understand the possibilities and needs of us ordinary people in our day to day lives: "And how do you intend to do this? Riding bicycles or public transport once or twice won't sway them that easily...they need to do it over a long period of time...continuously. Indeed that?s where we think that a concept like the Low-Car Diet might be put to use with real results. Low Car Diet? Never heard of it? Well click http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2006-25%2CGGLG%3Aen&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Low+car+diet&as_oq=&as_eq=carb&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images 60,000 (SIXTY THOUSAND) entries in Google. Pressure your political representatives and candidates for public office to go on a public low car diet. Help them. Organize a local event and gets lots of people to give it a try. As you can see through Google, here is a New Mobility concept for which it is easy to get media attention. What a simple concept! A full month. That is a real commitment to sustainability. No matter what the final decision of that individual might be. Not to worry, they will be changed in some fundamental ways for life. PS. IN the New Mobility Briefs (http://newmobilitypartners.org) we are going to do a special issue on Low Car Diets. Stay tuned. PPS. What about this as a project that can be announced in your city for your next Car Free Day? That?s exactly what they are for by the way. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060814/391c44ee/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 15 16:16:12 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:16:12 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Low-Car Diet Challenge Program - And Car Free Days (Our Convenient Truth) Message-ID: <003701c6c03a$b8218b00$6401a8c0@Home> Exec Sum: This is a wide open public brainstorm on what I believe could be a very creative sustainability exercise with real impact. I'll try to get the ball rolling with this first draft, and then see what you may all do with it. With your kind permission, I propose that we discuss this and post whatever projects, etc that might come out of it via the Lots Less Cars (http://www.lotslesscars.org ) Idea Factory, for which the group mail address is LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com, Okay, let's go. The idea that we should like to put before you this morning for the next wave of Car Free Days at any time and anywhere in the world would be for a public announcement of a high profile coordinated Low-Car Diet Challenge Program. Here are a couple of the possible working parts if you will bear with me. 1. What is an LCD Challenge Program? A laid back invitation, support and award program which invite people to "give up their car for one month" 2. Minimum qualifications: You have to have a car, and you have to agree to keep the little log (honestly?) for the full month (or at least that part of it during which you are trying to stick to the diet . . . and yes it is allowed to cheat if you must, but you have to do it in public. ) 3. One idea could be to do a "public launch" of the program on the occasion of your next Car Free Day. 4. Ideally, the LCD Challenge would be jointly sponsored by a number of local organizations, companies and groups. Any car share operators who might be present, the public transport operators, taxi companies, bike clubs, environmental groups, hospitals, public health, local lung and clean air groups, maybe some of the merchants who understand that this can work for them too, etc. And a foundation or two or just local people and families who care. Quite a list if you think about it. (And why not, the local AA, drug treatment, and anti-smoking groups who after all have long experience in this. Turns out that we have more than one monkey on our collectives backs) 5. It could be good to have a visible public booth in some central area with people to talk to who can help explain the program, a few useful and perhaps a bit funny tracts explaining how the whole things works, 6. We would want people to come into the booth to talk and learn about it - and that already would be a first small victory. (After all, how many people in your city have actually heard of a "Low-Car Diets?) 7. It would be important that all this be media savvy and bring in local media - maybe even as one of the partners? (The local media could even offer prizes themselves, why not?) 8. One idea might be to invite the local papers, radio and TV (great possible friends and hungry for local stuff) to come to the booth on say an hourly basis. There they would see not only the exhibit and the "LCD Thermometer" which shows hoe many people (a) have come to talk about it and (b) actually signed up for the LCD. And them maybe some interviews with either the organizers of some of these people who have decided to give it a whirl. 9. The pre-launch media build-up would also be critical of course. 10. What about the idea of having some way to show a number of short videos which support this idea? We already have quite a collection of videos and clips and in addition to the five minute trailer for Contested Streets and the wonderful ninety second Man in the Street interview in Groningen, you will surely be able to find one or two handfuls for people to gander at which help to explain what at the heart of it all this is all about. (Again to get there you go to http://www.newmobility.org and click them on the to menu. IF you want to talk about others, I will be pleased either to talk to you about this or via private email.) 11. Prizes and for what? Let's start with the prizes. It seems to me if this whole thing is to swing, the prizes should be many, varied, interesting and directly related to what this whole thing is all about. (I guess that leaves out your Hummer). Since the whole thing is to have a high profile, it should be a no-brainer to bring in companies and others who wish to be identified with doing this wonderful ting for heir city. 12. For what? Well, it would seem to me that anyone who tries and sticks to it for the full month this should somehow be feted and reworded. Of course the most important reward is what they are going for themselves and their families, and for the community by being neighbors. And as leaders and roll models (at an age where these are in rather short supply). 13. It might be a good idea if they were invited to keep a very simple log book which they could fill out in three or four minutes each day just to trace their progress. The actual log book might have one page per day, and plenty of room for comments and observations. 14. One idea might be to invite them to put their logbook 'real time' in the web so as to publicly trace their problems, fears, accomplishments, occasional disagreements perhaps, attitudes for the whole thing. People should also be encouraged form the beginning to understand that this is not an easy thing, and that even if they start and later decide to throw in the towel that this is no disgrace. Not everyone who desires to stop smoking or snacking in front of the boob tube makes it the first time around. The important thing is to try. And, if they shoes to, to try in public. 15. The idea of a short essay is a good one, but I wonder if as Chris Bradshaw has just pointed out that the real victory will be to have one more person or family (hey, maybe two?) move over to a car-lite life style. Perhaps that could be the last two pages of the LCD logbook. 16. Then, exactly one month after the Big Launch, the wonderful public report, award ceremony, and maybe a round table and debate. Invite the mayor. Invite the editor of the local paper. Invite the head of the local CofC, Make it into a bit deal. And oh yes, have fun and make your children proud of you. As hapless 'author' of the World Car Free Days movement back in 1994 in Toledo Spain with the public CFD call, Thursday - A Breakthrough Strategy for Reducing Car Dependence in Cities, I have all too often been disappointed in the level of, let's call it, 'social entrepreneurships' behind most of the Days -- all too many of which have turned out to be rather drab affairs, quickly done, little loved, and even more quickly forgotten. In a phrase, sorry to say, real losers. Oh dear. Fortunately there are out there in the world a lot of bright and hard working people with ideas of their own, and as a result there have been some really wonderful Car Free Days, -- and the proof has often been that they were not quickly forgotten but actually have helped starting the transformation of the community toward a more sustainable New Mobility environment. Which of course was the whole idea in the first place. So here we are more than a decade later and I really do think that if we push this year for LCD challenge programs in as many places as might be ready to pick up this challenge, well that would be a wonderful step ahead. Your turn. Eric Britton PS1. Get this news out. Hit your lists and already try the local media. PS2. If you plan to do this or even if only to consider it, would you be so kind to keep the list informed. Your example will be important for us all. PS3. And why not? Maybe some of you will turn this into an article or a media release. If so, terrific and make sure you share it with us all. Team work - our only chance. Our Convenient Truth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060815/3f298298/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 15 16:24:52 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:24:52 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Low-Car Diet Challenge Program - And Car Free Days (Our Convenient Truth) Message-ID: <004801c6c03b$ea8bed00$6401a8c0@Home> Exec Sum: This is a wide open public brainstorm on what I believe could be a very creative sustainability exercise with real impact. I'll try to get the ball rolling with this first draft, and then see what you may all do with it. With your kind permission, I propose that we discuss this and post whatever projects, etc that might come out of it via the Lots Less Cars (http://www.lotslesscars.org ) Idea Factory, for which the group mail address is LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com, Okay, let's go. The idea that we should like to put before you this morning for the next wave of Car Free Days at any time and anywhere in the world would be for a public announcement of a high profile coordinated Low-Car Diet Challenge Program. Here are a couple of the possible working parts if you will bear with me. 1. What is an LCD Challenge Program? A laid back invitation, support and award program which invite people to "give up their car for one month". (IF you click here you will be taken to the latest Google listing which at this point offers in addition to latest news on the subject more than 67,000 LCD entries. That's at least a start . and an indication of the media worthiness of this approach) 2. Minimum qualifications: You have to have a car, and you have to agree to keep the little log (honestly?) for the full month (or at least that part of it during which you are trying to stick to the diet . . . and yes it is allowed to cheat if you must, but you have to do it in public. ) 3. One idea could be to do a "public launch" of the program on the occasion of your next Car Free Day. 4. Ideally, the LCD Challenge would be jointly sponsored by a number of local organizations, companies and groups. Any car share operators who might be present, the public transport operators, taxi companies, bike clubs, environmental groups, hospitals, public health, local lung and clean air groups, maybe some of the merchants who understand that this can work for them too, etc. And a foundation or two or just local people and families who care. Quite a list if you think about it. (And why not, the local AA, drug treatment, and anti-smoking groups who after all have long experience in this. Turns out that we have more than one monkey on our collectives backs) 5. It could be good to have a visible public booth in some central area with people to talk to who can help explain the program, a few useful and perhaps a bit funny tracts explaining how the whole things works, 6. We would want people to come into the booth to talk and learn about it - and that already would be a first small victory. (After all, how many people in your city have actually heard of a "Low-Car Diets?) 7. It would be important that all this be media savvy and bring in local media - maybe even as one of the partners? (The local media could even offer prizes themselves, why not?) 8. One idea might be to invite the local papers, radio and TV (great possible friends and hungry for local stuff) to come to the booth on say an hourly basis. There they would see not only the exhibit and the "LCD Thermometer" which shows hoe many people (a) have come to talk about it and (b) actually signed up for the LCD. And them maybe some interviews with either the organizers of some of these people who have decided to give it a whirl. 9. The pre-launch media build-up would also be critical of course. 10. What about the idea of having some way to show a number of short videos which support this idea? We already have quite a collection of videos and clips and in addition to the five minute trailer for Contested Streets and the wonderful ninety second Man in the Street interview in Groningen, you will surely be able to find one or two handfuls for people to gander at which help to explain what at the heart of it all this is all about. (Again to get there you go to http://www.newmobility.org and click them on the to menu. IF you want to talk about others, I will be pleased either to talk to you about this or via private email.) 11. Prizes and for what? Let's start with the prizes. It seems to me if this whole thing is to swing, the prizes should be many, varied, interesting and directly related to what this whole thing is all about. (I guess that leaves out your Hummer). Since the whole thing is to have a high profile, it should be a no-brainer to bring in companies and others who wish to be identified with doing this wonderful ting for heir city. 12. For what? Well, it would seem to me that anyone who tries and sticks to it for the full month this should somehow be feted and reworded. Of course the most important reward is what they are going for themselves and their families, and for the community by being neighbors. And as leaders and roll models (at an age where these are in rather short supply). 13. It might be a good idea if they were invited to keep a very simple log book which they could fill out in three or four minutes each day just to trace their progress. The actual log book might have one page per day, and plenty of room for comments and observations. 14. One idea might be to invite them to put their logbook 'real time' in the web so as to publicly trace their problems, fears, accomplishments, occasional disagreements perhaps, attitudes for the whole thing. People should also be encouraged form the beginning to understand that this is not an easy thing, and that even if they start and later decide to throw in the towel that this is no disgrace. Not everyone who desires to stop smoking or snacking in front of the boob tube makes it the first time around. The important thing is to try. And, if they shoes to, to try in public. 15. The idea of a short essay is a good one, but I wonder if as Chris Bradshaw has just pointed out that the real victory will be to have one more person or family (hey, maybe two?) move over to a car-lite life style. Perhaps that could be the last two pages of the LCD logbook. 16. Then, exactly one month after the Big Launch, the wonderful public report, award ceremony, and maybe a round table and debate. Invite the mayor. Invite the editor of the local paper. Invite the head of the local Chamber of COmmerce or downtown business association. Make it into a bit deal. And oh yes, have fun and make your children proud of you. As hapless 'author' of the World Car Free Days movement back in 1994 in Toledo Spain with the public CFD call, Thursday - A Breakthrough Strategy for Reducing Car Dependence in Cities, I have all too often been disappointed in the level of, let's call it, 'social entrepreneurships' behind most of the Days -- all too many of which have turned out to be rather drab affairs, quickly done, little loved, and even more quickly forgotten. In a phrase, sorry to say, real losers. Oh dear. Fortunately there are out there in the world a lot of bright and hard working people with ideas of their own, and as a result there have been some really wonderful Car Free Days, -- and the proof has often been that they were not quickly forgotten but actually have helped starting the transformation of the community toward a more sustainable New Mobility environment. Which of course was the whole idea in the first place. So here we are more than a decade later and I really do think that if we push this year for LCD challenge programs in as many places as might be ready to pick up this challenge, well that would be a wonderful step ahead. Your turn. Eric Britton PS1. Get this news out. Hit your lists and already try the local media. PS2. If you plan to do this or even if only to consider it, would you be so kind to keep the list informed. Your example will be important for us all. PS3. And why not? Maybe some of you will turn this into an article or a media release. If so, terrific and make sure you share it with us all. Team work - our only chance. Our Convenient Truth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060815/03d7e0ad/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 15 17:46:21 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:46:21 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Getting around - Transportation Today Message-ID: <009201c6c047$49d2f190$6401a8c0@Home> A wonderful thought provoking graphic. (With kind thanks to Robert Moskowitz for passing on.) (If there is a single item here that captures the reality of our grotesque inability to stay on top of the realities in this strange field, it is the contrast between the number of rickshaws that are officially licensed in the single city of Delhi, and the real number out there on the road. Yes, a good part of the problem is that we insistently look at the wrong things and the wrong numbers and simply fail by dint of old habits to miss the action. Which makes it kind of hard to do better, wouldn't you think?) A better copy is at http://www.princeton.edu/~ina/images/infographics/transportation_big.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060815/91a1c821/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 125444 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060815/91a1c821/attachment-0001.jpe From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Wed Aug 16 00:16:56 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:16:56 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Low Car Diet? In-Reply-To: <004101c6bf67$b4e2b190$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <00c301c6c07d$de017400$0200a8c0@archibaldo> The mere experience of taking a policymaker through one poor person?s transport itinerary from his home to his job (which sometimes will take 2 hours or more) may make him aware of the fact that there should be something done about it. After that first (and impressive ride), he/she may be motivated to leave the car for a couple of days a month. Then a couple of days a week, then every day of the week. If you arrive at this last step, you have an ally. But, you need to get to that point progressively, just as Darwin explained it. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Eric Britton Enviado el: Lunes, 14 de Agosto de 2006 01:06 a.m. Para: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' CC: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com; LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com Asunto: [sustran] Low Car Diet? Joselito Lomada Guevarra writes on this date on the subject of Carlos Prado?s suggestion that we somehow get policy makers to use cycles and/or public transport themselves to better understand the possibilities and needs of us ordinary people in our day to day lives: "And how do you intend to do this? Riding bicycles or public transport once or twice won't sway them that easily...they need to do it over a long period of time...continuously. Indeed that?s where we think that a concept like the Low-Car Diet might be put to use with real results. Low Car Diet? Never heard of it? Well click http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG %3A2006-25%2CGGLG%3Aen&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Low+car+diet&as_oq=&as_eq=c arb&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i& as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images 60,000 (SIXTY THOUSAND) entries in Google. Pressure your political representatives and candidates for public office to go on a public low car diet. Help them. Organize a local event and gets lots of people to give it a try. As you can see through Google, here is a New Mobility concept for which it is easy to get media attention. What a simple concept! A full month. That is a real commitment to sustainability. No matter what the final decision of that individual might be. Not to worry, they will be changed in some fundamental ways for life. PS. IN the New Mobility Briefs ( http://newmobilitypartners.org) we are going to do a special issue on Low Car Diets. Stay tuned. PPS. What about this as a project that can be announced in your city for your next Car Free Day? That?s exactly what they are for by the way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060815/d2fa6d4b/attachment.html From scott at pedalsong.net Wed Aug 16 13:34:49 2006 From: scott at pedalsong.net (scott at pedalsong.net) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:34:49 -0600 Subject: [sustran] Re: Low-Car Diet Challenge Program - And Car Free Days (Our Convenient Truth) In-Reply-To: <004801c6c03b$ea8bed00$6401a8c0@Home> References: <004801c6c03b$ea8bed00$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <20060815223449.pzbdwygsecso8kck@www.pedalsong.net> I really like this concept. In fact, I?m hoping to implement a variation in Ann Arbor this spring. I?d like to make a couple comments on Eric?s suggestions for LCD: 1) The term ?Low Car Diet? is not associated exclusively with a month-long challenge to give up auto-use. It has been used in Ann Arbor for two years as a tag-line for our Curb Your Car Month, which included all sorts of promotions and events. After assuming we had come up with an original phrase, we found that many other local efforts had used the phrase to describe a variety of programs. There was some concern initially that this phrase would put to much emphasis on physical condition, thus not speaking to those who were either already in good health, or were not particularly concerned about health issues. While it is hard to know who the campaign missed, I don?t think anyone complained about the phrase, so we went with it for another year. 2) I think many of these points are too specific. Details like keeping a log, the length of the event, setting up a booth, requiring an essay, and prizes may or may not fit into the existing context of the local effort. I understand that Eric is just throwing out ideas here. I just want to add that each version of this event would (and should?) reflect local resources, key players, and issues. 3) Is this a competition and should it be a competition? Prizes are always nice, but there is a risk with prizes of people participating for the wrong reason. At the end of the event, I assume, you are hoping to show that being car-free is not so difficult as one might imagine and that there are some definite benefits over driving (besides the prizes). You don?t want it to come off as a test of will power or endurance, and you certainly don?t want people to feel that cheating would pay off in a big way. In our car-free challenge, the winners are entered into a drawing for the grand prize, which avoids the eyes-on-the-prize? attitude and excessive competition. 4) Celebrities. I think getting some big names to participate is an important part of promoting an event like this. Eric points to the importance of media and suggests having participants blog their logbooks. I think adding record-keeping requirements would tend to reduce interest by the general public, but media exposure and real-time personal updates could be combined by getting a media personality who already has frequent public interaction (via blog, radio, newspaper, TV, etc) to participate and integrate their LCD experience with existing communication channels. 5) Implement LCD in conjunction with other events. Obviously Eric is promoting this as a WCFD event. In Ann Arbor we run a month-long program called ?Curb Your Car Month? which incorporates Bike to Work Day, transit promotions, city walking tours, lectures and symposiums, frequent organized bike rides, a car-free challenge where local businesses compete to get the most employees to try going car-free, and other events. This allows us to keep momentum and awareness high for month-long activities like LCD. The month-long events also help boost the kick-off and wrap-up events for the month. 6) Panel of experts. In planning for our LCD event, we are trying to put together a panel of people who currently live car-free as a support network for people who are willing to participate. I think this is a good way to: a. Raise awareness that there are a lot of people living car-free already and that it is not as difficult as you might imagine. b. Provide tips that consider the local context for people interested in reducing their use of a car. I hope this is helpful and would be willing to share more detailed info on my efforts and progress with anyone interested. It would be great if others did the same. -Scott Quoting Eric Britton : > Exec Sum: This is a wide open public brainstorm on what I believe could be a > very creative sustainability exercise with real impact. I'll try to > get the ball > rolling with this first draft, and then see what you may all do with it. With > your kind permission, I propose that we discuss this and post > whatever projects, > etc that might come out of it via the Lots Less Cars > (http://www.lotslesscars.org ) Idea > Factory, for > which the group mail address is LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com, Okay, let's go. > > > > The idea that we should like to put before you this morning for the > next wave of > Car Free Days at any time and anywhere in the world would be for a public > announcement of a high profile coordinated Low-Car Diet Challenge > Program. Here > are a couple of the possible working parts if you will bear with me. > > > > 1. What is an LCD Challenge Program? A laid back invitation, support and > award program which invite people to "give up their car for one > month". (IF you > click here > LG:en&btnG=Google+Search&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all&as_dt=i&as_rights=&safe=images&s > a=N&tab=wn&q=%20%22Low%20car%20diet%22%20-carb> you will be taken > to the latest > Google listing which at this point offers in addition to latest news on the > subject more than 67,000 LCD entries. That's at least a start . and an > indication of the media worthiness of this approach) > 2. Minimum qualifications: You have to have a car, and you have to agree to > keep the little log (honestly?) for the full month (or at least that > part of it > during which you are trying to stick to the diet . . . and yes it is > allowed to > cheat if you must, but you have to do it in public. ) > 3. One idea could be to do a "public launch" of the program on the occasion > of your next Car Free Day. > 4. Ideally, the LCD Challenge would be jointly sponsored by a number of > local organizations, companies and groups. Any car share operators > who might be > present, the public transport operators, taxi companies, bike clubs, > environmental groups, hospitals, public health, local lung and clean > air groups, > maybe some of the merchants who understand that this can work for > them too, etc. > And a foundation or two or just local people and families who care. > Quite a list > if you think about it. (And why not, the local AA, drug treatment, and > anti-smoking groups who after all have long experience in this. > Turns out that > we have more than one monkey on our collectives backs) > 5. It could be good to have a visible public booth in some central area > with people to talk to who can help explain the program, a few useful and > perhaps a bit funny tracts explaining how the whole things works, > 6. We would want people to come into the booth to talk and learn about it - > and that already would be a first small victory. (After all, how > many people in > your city have actually heard of a "Low-Car Diets?) > 7. It would be important that all this be media savvy and bring in local > media - maybe even as one of the partners? (The local media could even offer > prizes themselves, why not?) > 8. One idea might be to invite the local papers, radio and TV (great > possible friends and hungry for local stuff) to come to the booth on say an > hourly basis. There they would see not only the exhibit and the "LCD > Thermometer" which shows hoe many people (a) have come to talk about > it and (b) > actually signed up for the LCD. And them maybe some interviews with > either the > organizers of some of these people who have decided to give it a whirl. > 9. The pre-launch media build-up would also be critical of course. > 10. What about the idea of having some way to show a number of short videos > which support this idea? We already have quite a collection of > videos and clips > and in addition to the five minute trailer for Contested > Streets and the > wonderful ninety second Man in > the Street > interview in Groningen, you will surely be able to find one or two > handfuls for > people to gander at which help to explain what at the heart of it all this is > all about. (Again to get there you go to http://www.newmobility.org > and click > them on the to menu. IF you want to talk about others, I will be > pleased either > to talk to you about this or via private email.) > 11. Prizes and for what? Let's start with the prizes. It seems to me if this > whole thing is to swing, the prizes should be many, varied, interesting and > directly related to what this whole thing is all about. (I guess > that leaves out > your Hummer). Since the whole thing is to have a high profile, it should be a > no-brainer to bring in companies and others who wish to be > identified with doing > this wonderful ting for heir city. > 12. For what? Well, it would seem to me that anyone who tries and sticks to > it for the full month this should somehow be feted and reworded. Of > course the > most important reward is what they are going for themselves and > their families, > and for the community by being neighbors. And as leaders and roll > models (at an > age where these are in rather short supply). > 13. It might be a good idea if they were invited to keep a very simple log > book which they could fill out in three or four minutes each day > just to trace > their progress. The actual log book might have one page per day, and > plenty of > room for comments and observations. > 14. One idea might be to invite them to put their logbook 'real time' in the > web so as to publicly trace their problems, fears, accomplishments, > occasional > disagreements perhaps, attitudes for the whole thing. People should also be > encouraged form the beginning to understand that this is not an easy > thing, and > that even if they start and later decide to throw in the towel that > this is no > disgrace. Not everyone who desires to stop smoking or snacking in > front of the > boob tube makes it the first time around. The important thing is to > try. And, if > they shoes to, to try in public. > 15. The idea of a short essay is a good one, but I wonder if as Chris > Bradshaw has just pointed out that the real victory will be to have one more > person or family (hey, maybe two?) move over to a car-lite life > style. Perhaps > that could be the last two pages of the LCD logbook. > 16. Then, exactly one month after the Big Launch, the wonderful public > report, award ceremony, and maybe a round table and debate. Invite the mayor. > Invite the editor of the local paper. Invite the head of the local Chamber of > COmmerce or downtown business association. Make it into a bit deal. And oh > yes, have fun and make your children proud of you. > > > > As hapless 'author' of the World Car Free Days movement back in 1994 > in Toledo > Spain with the public CFD call, Thursday - A > > Breakthrough Strategy > for Reducing Car Dependence in Cities, I have all too often been > disappointed in > the level of, let's call it, 'social entrepreneurships' behind most > of the Days > -- all too many of which have turned out to be rather drab affairs, quickly > done, little loved, and even more quickly forgotten. In a phrase, > sorry to say, > real losers. Oh dear. Fortunately there are out there in the world a lot of > bright and hard working people with ideas of their own, and as a result there > have been some really wonderful Car Free Days, -- and the proof has > often been > that they were not quickly forgotten but actually have helped starting the > transformation of the community toward a more sustainable New Mobility > environment. Which of course was the whole idea in the first place. > > > > So here we are more than a decade later and I really do think that if we push > this year for LCD challenge programs in as many places as might be > ready to pick > up this challenge, well that would be a wonderful step ahead. > > > > Your turn. > > > > Eric Britton > > > > PS1. Get this news out. Hit your lists and already try the local media. > > > > PS2. If you plan to do this or even if only to consider it, would > you be so kind > to keep the list informed. Your example will be important for us all. > > > > PS3. And why not? Maybe some of you will turn this into an article or a media > release. If so, terrific and make sure you share it with us all. Team work - > our only chance. Our Convenient Truth > > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 17 15:28:32 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:28:32 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Comment on video - In Your Car No-one Can Hear You Scream! Message-ID: <000001c6c1c6$5fd0c280$6401a8c0@Home> Here you have the first cycle of comments and dialogue set off by this video submitted by its producer/director Martin Cassini two long days ago, which (video) as you may recall is posted along with a couple of hundred others in our New Mobility Video Library, starting at http://www.youtube.com/group/NewMobilityAgenda. You may wish to add yours either there or right here. This is at the very least a pretty dicey set of questions that Martin poses in his video, not least when he takes Hans Monderman's great ideas and says, hey! why not here right in the middle of London? But the commentary takes this on directly. (And as a not always so perfectly respectful urban cyclist, I do like that 'pointless reds' remark.) In fact if you click to the famous video which you will find in the Global South Library at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8Doy_7sOoM you can see how something very much along those lines works at one busy intersection in India. In this context I would also point you to Paul Barter's lively commentary on the full Global South collection, which you can find at http://urbantransportasia.blogspot.com/2006/08/naked-streets-and-safe-chaos.html . In conclusion, it just has to be said that we live in an interesting time. Here is YouTube started for reasons that are planets away from what brings us all here together, and yet . . . and yet. To me it suggests that you too (that's a joke? Sorry!) should get involved. ericbritton All Comments (31 total) Post a new comment mark as spam quasimojo (2 days ago) A great video - I agree with the need to reduce congestion and keep traffic moving, but I'm not entirely sure I agree with the position that all traffic lights should be removed. IME of London drivers and roads, if lights were removed then a lot of junctions would become unpassable and gridlocked - because users won't/don't care for other road users at all. (continued) (reply to this) quasimojo (2 days ago) (cont). It is this selfish aspect to human nature that I think your film overlooks. If we were all as open-minded as you then London's roads without lights would be fine - but alas we're not :( I like the right-turn-on-red policy in the US however.... seems like a good (and practical) compromise. (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) Thanks for your thoughtful comments. But I think that people relax and behave fine when they see a reason for slowing or stopping, i.e. for a pedestrian or motorist who was there first; the opposite happens when we're treated like zombies and forced to obey remotely-programmed lights that stop us in our tracks and often make us wait for no reason. (reply to this) quasimojo (2 days ago) That's fine if traffic has the opportunity to flow but is impeded by red lights, but what about London's congested roads? Box junctions are consistently blocked by road users, stopping traffic from flowing in the other directions. (reply to this) quasimojo (2 days ago) (cont) If road users are so considerate of other road users then why do they do it? I suggest that it's because road users are selfish by default and need enforcement. Until intelligence can be legislated for, you're always going to have to suffer at the hands of the lowest common denominator. (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) Again, thanks for your comments, but ultimately your logic leads to traffic controls for pedestrians in busy shopping centres and station concourses. If we're fit to filter as peds, why aren't we fit when we're peds on wheels? Of course we're fit. Remove the controls and you remove the aggravation, and the simple, instinctive priority rule of filter-in-turn will work wonders. Also, why force the majority down to the level of the lowest common denominator? I prefer the idea of raising standards! (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) The human default setting is enlightened self-interest. Charles Dornsife: "the idea that in the absence of speed limits people will drive in a manner that endangers their own and other people's lives ... is pure nonsense." A road network without interference harnesses human nature, our greatest resource. But a system that interferes with our better judgement and "treats us like zombies" (Hans Monderman), turns us into zombies or silent screamers. I blame the control system itself. (reply to this) quasimojo (2 days ago) Why force the majority down? Because there are millions of selfish morons behind the wheels of machines that have the capacity to kill. I wish it didn't have to be this way, but that's the way it is. Taking away more controls may alleve frustration but it won't improve road safety imho. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) I like the video, I especially like the awareness of the fear of regulators and insurers that seem to control life in general in all kinds of ways, not just traffic. There's a nuance missing though I think. >>> (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) Thanks for your comments. 1. "a nuance missing" - please elaborate (perhaps you have in the later comments). Here I will just say that earlier drafts were 20 minutes long, and I have a bunch of other material. It had to be cut down to make it on to YouTube. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) Having a roundabout, a four-way crossing or a yielding road is not less of regulation or control as a traffic light. In all cases there are clear rules, only the rules are made clear by signs and markings instead of lights. An egocentric driver would just as easily run a red light as he would not yielding to roundabouts. So it's not about regulation and it's not about control. It's about the efficiency of the control system. >> (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) As I say in the video, lights demand blind obedience. Roundabouts are better, but not ideal. With no outside controls, as I hope the imperfect footage shows, we automatically revert to the workable, ancient common law principle of first-come, first-served, or first-in, first-out, or filter-in-turn (as it's known in Jersey). That gives humans a sense of responsibility and control, people watch each other instead of the lights, and hey presto, it works. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) Traffic lights are very simple to interpret, while an oncoming motorcycle who has right of way can be very hard to spot depending on the circumstances. So lights can be safer, unless the system behind it is setup way to inefficient. Then the frustration about the lack of intelligence behind the system will cause more problems then they try to solve. Hence the human brain in London will probably be way smarter then the simplistic traffic light logic there. >> (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) Here in Holland there are loops in the asphalt to detect traffic in order to prevent pointless reds (this is the actual subject, the stupidity of some lights, not the lights as a whole). If traffic light timers and detection loops are set up correctly, then there will be less frustration (since the system is smart, fair, efficient and quick). >> (time limit between posts) (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) > Since they are easy to interpret and interactive for all road directions, they will prevent false interpretations of traffic made by either stress, ego, fatigue, reduced eye sight etc. The main road here has a system in daytime which creates a wave of green lights when riding in the main direction towards or from the center, when sticking to the speed limit.>> (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) That's interesting, thanks, and I'll give it some thought. But what is negative about main road priority is (pace Kenneth Todd), it confers superiority on one set of road users at the expense of others. It's much more democratic to use the single queueing system, so the first to arrive at a junction is the first to leave. Without controls, that is more or less how it happens. It's natural and eminently fair. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) The control with the filter-in-turn is the rule that you have to let one vehicle pass before you have right of way. With a roundabout it is the rule that traffic on the roundabout has right of way. With lights it is the rule that you stop on red and go on green. In all cases it is the drivers that control their vehicle and give way (or not). They are all means of "traffic control", it's just that lights in London apparently have very inefficient logic / detection systems. (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) I take your point, and it's true that many London lights are abysmally phased, but why impose an expensive control system in the first place when you have a brilliant innate control system that has evolved over millennia: human nature and human skill. We can filter as pedestrians; we can filter when we're pedestrians on wheels. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) At night all lights here are red unless you approach it at the speed limit, in which case (when there is no traffic on the other roads approaching) it will go green just before you would want to slow down for the red. In that case it is much faster and safer than a filter-in-turn system. If you design the logic of a light properly, it has the potential to be more efficient, quicker and safer. (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) There was a typo in my last posting. This is the corrected entry: Certainly I'd like to see the system, but at the moment, through long observation and experience, I still think we're best off left to own devices. So we might have to agree to disagree! But show me your system. Certainly I'll include it in the eventual full-length film if and when I get the funding or commission. (reply to this) romancassini (19 hours ago) Very well saying "if you design the light properly", but it is quite clear that they have not yet been designed in your efficient, Utopian manner. What is the point in spending countless thousands trying to invent 'traffic light A.I.', when it has been proved in deregulated cities that removing them altogether serves the same purpose. (reply to this) ----- Comment deleted by user ----- mjcassini (2 days ago) Thanks, that's very useful, and perhaps we can meet / explore your points more fully when the time comes (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) I don't think that your analogy between pedestrian traffic and high speed vehicle traffic is true. Pedestrian speed is normally slow and relatively identical. The difference in car speeds can be much higher. When two roads cross with a filter-in-turn system, all cars will have to slow down even when there is no traffic. For two high speed roads, traffic lights CAN be safer and more efficient / faster (if setup like here). (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) What's wrong with traffic slowing down approaching a junction? I would respond at more length but I'm a bit busy right now. I'm sure we'll talk again! (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) Here a crossing without lights, but also apparently without rules: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg9f93gpfbo (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) To pilootdotcom - I think I deleted your last comment by mistake, the one that begins "Don't get me wrong". Please re-post it if possible, thanks! (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) For crossings on street level, filter-in-turn will probably work better than lights. But when a slow street crosses a fast corridor, you don't want fast cars slowing down because of the infrequent likelihood of crossing / turning traffic from that street. In fact, when there usually isn't any crossing traffic, there is a higher risk of people not slowing down anyway. A light which is always green on the corridor except when traffic is detected from the street will be safer and faster. Right? (reply to this) pilootdotcom (2 days ago) Traffic slowing down approaching a junction will increase congestion (duh?). Isn't that where this whole discussion / documentary is all about? To find systems that will work with the best efficiency for a particular situation in order to prevent traffic jams, annoyances, polution and accidents? (reply to this) mjcassini (2 days ago) I know what you mean, but not sure you "have to find a system". Wherever roads intersect, filter-in-turn works because it encourages traffic to proceed at speeds appropriate for the conditions. I don't mind some psychological traffic calming, such as bushes and fountains. If humans aren't distracted by lights and signs, and allowed to exercise their own intelligence, they proceed steadily and filter. So the traffic keeps flowing, instead of being held up at lights. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (9 hours ago) I'm not saying traffic lights on all crossings are the way to go. A lot of times it can be indeed overdone. But there are plenty of situations, especially where speed differences between crossing roads are big, where traffic lights are (much) safer and can lead to a smoother / quicker traffic flow. (reply to this) pilootdotcom (9 hours ago) The problem isn't so much the traffic lights themselves, but the policy makers there apparently not managing traffic situations properly and not using the traffic light technology available to them in a smart way. Saying simply that traffic lights don't work is too short sighted (just like saying that only traffic lights are a guarentee for proper traffic control). It's more complex than you portray, in my opinion :-) (reply to this) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060817/4836e6ca/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Aug 18 05:19:20 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:19:20 -0500 Subject: [sustran] New training document on public awareness and behaviour change Message-ID: <015e01c6c23a$703fa9f0$0200a8c0@archibaldo> The SUTP project has released a training course document on Public Awareness and Behavior Change, written by Carlos F. Pardo. This is a translation of the second edition in Spanish of this document (translation has been done by Jonas Hagen). Expanding on the contents of module 1e, the training course document describes how to define a target group, gives detailed instructions on how to get information from different target groups and what ways can be used to develop a specific campaign or public awareness initiative, based on principles of behavior change. It is available from our resources section (for registered users) here: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_docman &task=doc_download&gid=76 . If you are not registered to sutp.org , please do so by clicking here: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_comprofiler &task=registers&lang=en As always, these documents are a work in progress. Any feedback or comments are most welcome at carlos.pardo@sutp.org . Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060817/70019044/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 18 15:52:24 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:52:24 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Public transport should be free Message-ID: <003701c6c292$dd4c0b80$6401a8c0@Home> Dear Colleagues, There are now going on two hundred New Mobility measures and actions which we have thus far identified with your help for treatment under the New Mobility Advisory/Briefs and while we are already committed to the Carsharing City Strategies and BRT for the first two numbers, the topic of precisely "Public transport should be free" has over these last days has moved up toward the head of the list for the planned four first year editions. I mention this to you this morning since it will, as with just about everything done here, be very much a collaborative endeavor and is one that just possibly may interest you.. However our approach in this particular case will be a bit different from our usual starting point and method, which is to provide an informed expert view based on leading edge international experience and knowledge to provide an informed but neutral appraisal of the measure, so as to inform city government and local leaders so that they can make a wise decision as to eventual next steps. And then to get them started in this proves. In "Public transport should be free" we intend to turn this around a bit. We shall take the title as a positive statement, a challenge and our leading premise -- and then investigate and analyze whether in fact this may or may not make any sense for 21st century cities under duress. And if so, how. I might note that just about all the analyses in the past (see Barbara Post's biblio of yesterday by way of first example) have started out well in the box of the existing institutional and financial situation as far as public transport provision is concerned - and then variously to wiggle it a bit to see what, within this quite constraining box, would be likely to happen if the city tried to do just that. With the results that it should not be terribly difficult to anticipate in advance. And since you are well installed in that box, not surprising that the conclusion is inevitably either (a) it won't work (here and then come the long list of reasons and justifications) or, at times, (b) we might give it a try on this bit of the system (specific routes, hours, user groups). But since we are dealing here with the politics of transportation and problem-solving in a heavily charged and troublesome environment, it seems that the least we can do is step beyond that traditional box and start by setting out the fundamental considerations that in truth set the stage, a bit along the lines that Dave Wetzel has done in his yesterday's email to the group. What is it that we want behind all this? How important are those objectives to the community? What are the (full) means at our disposal (and we are not talking about fare boxes or balancing micro-budgets here)? Etc. So the goal of this future New Mobility Advisory will be to take it from the top. And we very much hope that you will be interested to participate. With your idea, and perhaps even to join our little editorial group that will be keeping an eye on all this to ensure its quality and professionalism. Eric Britton PS. And if anyone wishes to drag in the tired finger-pointing language of left or right, socialist or whatever to simplify and eventually ridicule these important considerations, they will I promise lose a start. And you know how that can hurt. Measured mentions of sustainable development and social justice, and better economics for all, will on the other hand certainly have their place here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060818/b2cda02a/attachment.html From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Fri Aug 18 16:39:33 2006 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:39:33 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Comment on video - In Your Car No-one Can Hear You Scream! In-Reply-To: <000001c6c1c6$5fd0c280$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: My comment on the video clip (In Your Car No-one Can Hear You Scream) is too long for youtube comments. So will post it here and maybe Eric can forward to the filmmaker? I found this clip very stimulating, confronting and thought provoking. The footage of the same four-way intersection with and without its traffic lights is striking and persuasive. The film promises to be a strong missive in favour of wider application of shared space ideas. BUT I notice THREE PROBLEMS. ONE, the clip fails to sell a key benefit of shared space (at least as I understand it, so far). This is the creation of a lower-speed street environment in which vulnerable road users can share comfortably and safely (including being a great boon for bikes, blades, wheelchairs and other 'personal mobility devices'). In high speed traffic the human mind is not capable of negotiating by eye contact. We can only do this below 30km/h. By coming close to suggesting that speed limits are not needed at all, the film's arguments are likely to lose a key set of allies, namely people concerned with road danger for vulnerable road users. TWO, it over-reaches by not recognising the limits of the approach. Monderman and the other shared space 'gurus' make clear that their ideas apply only to the part of the network that can be designated as 'public realm', where speeds should be no more than 30km/h or so. This includes many streets where we have currently allowed traffic to dominate but it does not include most major multi-lane arterials (main roads). In traffic space, speeds are high and traffic engineering and control will need to remain. In the public realm we can and should design for lower speeds, especially at intersections, and eliminate most signs and controls, and rely much more on common-sense and social interaction. THREE, the film seems to misunderstand congestion to some extent. And therefore takes aim at some of the wrong targets, such as congestion charging (or demand management more generally) and bus priority measures. Again you lose some potential allies for no good reason. Congestion will apparently not be worsened by removing many traffic controls and unnecessary delays at off peak times can be reduced. BUT this approach cannot magically solve peak period congestion altogether. The peak problem will remain unless the demand side is tackled somehow. Some kind of demand management and some kind of priority for public transport are necessary. Shared space will have no hope politically (since it requires a lower speed street environment) unless it is complemented by its natural allies, which include bus priority and demand management. Otherwise, we will keep seeing demands to expand the traffic space and shrink the public realm as we have for the last 50 years. Paul Paul A. Barter | Assistant Professor | LKY School of Public Policy | National University of Singapore | 29 Heng Mui Keng Terrace | Singapore 119620 | Tel: +65-6516 3324 | Fax: +65-6778 1020 | Email: paulbarter@nus.edu.sg | http://www.lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/faculty/paulbarter/ | I am speaking for myself, not for my employers. Perspectives on urban transport in developing countries: http://urbantransportasia.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060818/45a90d9f/attachment.html From czegras at MIT.EDU Fri Aug 18 23:32:34 2006 From: czegras at MIT.EDU (P. Christopher Zegras) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:32:34 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings, Evidence, Other Message-ID: <44E5CF82.4080201@mit.edu> Dear all, Does anyone have any/know of any references, empirical evidence, or other relevant readings on the inter-relationships between crime, perceived safety, public security more generally and urban travel behavior and urban transportation? References specific to the developing world context would be especially interesting. Thanks kindly, Chris Zegras From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri Aug 18 23:45:11 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:45:11 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings, Evidence, Other In-Reply-To: <44E5CF82.4080201@mit.edu> Message-ID: <008301c6c2d4$e9eb3900$0200a8c0@archibaldo> There is one MSc Econ thesis which does interesting correlations between TransMilenio and safety/security (perceived and real) on Bogot?. I'll be happy to forward it. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo -----Mensaje original----- De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de P. Christopher Zegras Enviado el: Viernes, 18 de Agosto de 2006 09:33 a.m. Para: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings,Evidence, Other Dear all, Does anyone have any/know of any references, empirical evidence, or other relevant readings on the inter-relationships between crime, perceived safety, public security more generally and urban travel behavior and urban transportation? References specific to the developing world context would be especially interesting. Thanks kindly, Chris Zegras -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From ciclored at rcp.net.pe Sat Aug 19 01:09:00 2006 From: ciclored at rcp.net.pe (ciclored) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings, Evidence, Other References: <44E5CF82.4080201@mit.edu> Message-ID: <001c01c6c2e0$9ff53d30$0401a8c0@carlos9njjc6g3> Chris, check this link (in spanish), it is not about urban transportation, but it can be helpful http://www.seguridadidl.org.pe/biblioteca1.htm saludos, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Christopher Zegras" To: Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: [sustran] Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings,Evidence, Other > Dear all, > > Does anyone have any/know of any references, empirical evidence, or > other relevant readings on the inter-relationships between crime, > perceived safety, public security more generally and urban travel > behavior and urban transportation? References specific to the > developing world context would be especially interesting. > > Thanks kindly, > > Chris Zegras > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via > YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to > join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The > yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to > the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like > you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). From sujit at vsnl.com Sat Aug 19 04:05:28 2006 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:35:28 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Fwd: PTTF Website In-Reply-To: <4cfd20aa0608181140k3545d176nab842d413a06d120@mail.gmail.com> References: <4cfd20aa0608181140k3545d176nab842d413a06d120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4cfd20aa0608181205u59611216l2a803a81dfc00d8c@mail.gmail.com> 18 August 2006 Dear Friends, Though it is still under construction please visit the PTTF website http://www.pttf.net/go/ Once there click on the box with photograph of the crowded road and the words Frustrating? Take this Tour A presentation will follow which I hope you will find interesting. Rest of the site is under construction. Do let me have your feedback. With good wishes, -- Sujit -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------ Sujit Patwardhan sujit@vsnl.com sujitjp@gmail.com "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 India Tel: 25537955 ----------------------------------------------------- Hon. Secretary: Parisar www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------ Founder Member: PTTF (Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum) www.pttf.net ------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060819/81ab6502/attachment.html From litman at Islandnet.com Sat Aug 19 01:24:26 2006 From: litman at Islandnet.com (litman at Islandnet.com) Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:24:26 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Personal Security and Urban Transportation: Readings, References: <001c01c6c2e0$9ff53d30$0401a8c0@carlos9njjc6g3> Message-ID: <44e5e9ba-d97d@helpdesk.islandnet.com> See the "Address Security Concerns" chapter of our Online TDM Encyclopedia (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm37.htm ), which contains information on strategies for improving percieved personal securty. An interesting detail is various research indicating that people are overall significnatly safer living in urban areas and riding public transit than living in suburbs and driving, because the incremental increase in homocide risk in cities is far offset by increased traffic deaths in suburbs, at least in North America. See: William Lucy, Danger in Exurbia: Outer Suburbs More Dangerous Than Cities, University of Virginia (www.virginia.edu), April 2002; available at http://arch.virginia.edu/exurbia/death-in-exurbia.pdf . Todd Litman and Steven Fitzroy, "Safe Travels," Victoria Transport Policy Institute (http://www.vtpi.org/safetrav.pdf ), 2006. Best wishes, -Todd Litman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "P. Christopher Zegras" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:32 AM > Subject: [sustran] Personal Security and Urban Transportation: > Readings,Evidence, Other > > > > Dear all, > > > > Does anyone have any/know of any references, empirical evidence, or > > other relevant readings on the inter-relationships between crime, > > perceived safety, public security more generally and urban travel > > behavior and urban transportation? References specific to the > > developing world context would be especially interesting. > > > > Thanks kindly, > > > > Chris Zegras > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via > > YAHOOGROUPS. > > > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to > > join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The > > yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to > > the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like > > you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Aug 19 15:59:26 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:59:26 +0200 Subject: [sustran] New Mobility Strategies for your city - List of measures and tools In-Reply-To: <1155959383.790.20495.m19@yahoogroups.com> Message-ID: <00ca01c6c35d$0386ab50$6401a8c0@Home> For our about to be launched program for the New Mobility Advisory/Briefs (http://www.newmobilitybriefs.org ) we have identified going on two hundred measures, strategies, and tools which can help a city move toward a more sustainable mobility systems. The list as originally organized on the site was a bit daunting so just this morning I tried to reorganize and put it into the three main 'strategic pillars' which to my mind constitute the underpinnings of a proper city strategy. I bet I have missed some things that should be there so I reproduce this reorganized version just below for your uses, and would be most grateful to have your comments and suggestions. About half of these are already 'clickable' and will take you to some background materials that a least start to clarify the concept, not all are so if you have some suggestions for us there as well they will be most appreciated. (You may also have some ideas as to how to better phrase some of this. Great!) Eric Britton And oh yes PS. Many of you will notice that much of what you see below has come directly from our exchanges and cooperation over the last decade and more here. So once again, kindest thanks to you for helping make all this useful and getting it out of the various closets, drawers and long forgotten reports and books. New Mobility Strategies for your city In the hope of rendering this very long list which includes a fair number of topics which may not be immediately familiar to the reader, we have below reorganized the master list into three main categories, which together constitute the main pillars of the New Mobility strategy: (a) Measures aiming to modify the existing road and parking infrastructure to render it more sustainable; (b) measures aimed to increase the supply and quality of means of alternative (to SOVs in traffic) mobility; (c) and a more general list of goals, strategies, tools and events. Rationalize existing automotive infrastructure 1. Activity nodes/clustering 2. Clear Zones 3. Congestion charging 4. CURBBBB 5. Economic instruments 6. Ethics vs. rules on the street 7. Home zones 8. Land use/New Mobility interfaces 9. Living streets 10. Park + Ride 11. Parking management 12. Pedestrian-friendly streets and roads 13. Pedestrianization 14. Play in the streets 15. Pots and paint 16. Public spaces 17. Reduce traffic controls/signals 18. Road pricing , tolls 19. Road safety (radical enforcement) 20. Segregated cycle facilities 21. Shared space 22. Slow zones 23. Street as a place of work 24. Street furniture 25. Street life 26. Street obstacles 27. Street people 28. Street strategies 29. Street venders and commerce 30. Tolls 31. Traffic calming 32. Traffic restraint (Demand management) 33. Zero Tolerance Increase supply of alternative (to SOVs in traffic) mobility 1. "Critical Mass ", bike and skate "masses" 2. Active travel directions 3. Bicycle university 4. Bike/transit interface 5. Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) 6. Car Clubs 7. Car pool 8. Carfree housing 9. Carsharing 10. Children's and school programs 11. City cycle programs (shared use) 12. Clean vehicles and fuels (how to . . ) 13. Community Transportation 14. Company mobility management 15. Cycling access and support 16. Delivering the goods 17. Demand-responsive transport (DRT) 18. Distance work 19. Driver training 20. Dynamic transit systems 21. Elderly & handicapped transport 22. Electric or ecological vehicles (??) 23. Employer transport programs 24. e-Work 25. Free public transport 26. Freight bicycle 27. Goods movement and delivery 28. Green streets 29. Hitch-hiking 30. Home delivery services 31. HOV strategies 32. Low car diet 33. Low-occupancy vehicle (LOV) strategies 34. Metros and New Mobility 35. Mixed-use development 36. Mobil telephony interface 37. Mobility center 38. Mobility management/centers 39. Mondermans 40. Motorized two-wheelers 41. Movement substitutes 42. Multi-Modal Access Guides 43. Neighborhood initiatives 44. Neighborhood streets 45. Non-motorized transport 46. Not going there (the options) 47. Paratransit 48. Rail transit (where it fits in) 49. Reverse commuting 50. Rickshaws, Pedicabs, and Trishaw Cycles 51. Ride-sharing 52. Shared transport 53. Soft transport measures 54. Suburban solutions 55. Taxis, shared and group taxis 56. TDM - Transportation Demand Management 57. Telecommuting 58. Telework 59. Ticketless Public Transport 60. TOD - Transit-Oriented Development 61. Transit stations and interfaces 62. Transportation brokerage 63. Travel information systems 64. Travel plans 65. Travelchoice 66. Unified access and ticketing 67. University, campus transport strategies 68. Utility cycling 69. Vanpool 70. Walk to school 71. Walkability audit 72. Walkability index 73. Walkable communities 74. Walking as transport 75. Woonerfs 76. xTransit (The Third Way) Strategies, Tools, Goals, Events 1. "Strategies for the screamers" 2. "They are supposed to scream" 3. 20/20 city strategies 4. Award & prize programs 5. Barriers to change 6. Bike and Walk Summit 7. Car control strategies 8. Car Free Cities 9. Car Free Days 10. Car-like mobility (implications) 11. Change Management 12. Citizen activism and dialogue 13. Co-housing 14. Contingency Planning 15. Downtown revitalization support 16. Fair Transport Labeling 17. Funding sustainable transport 18. Health and Fitness 19. International institutions (how to use) 20. International peer support 21. Land value tax 22. Leading by Example 23. Local Agenda 21 24. Locational efficiency 25. Media, film, audio, webcasting 26. New Mobility "Star" program (NMA strategies for small towns) 27. New Mobility strategies 28. New Urbanism : Clustered, Mixed-Use, Multi-Modal Neighborhood Design 29. Obesity strategies 30. Obesity/Mobility Summit 31. Private sector initiatives 32. Propinquity (as policy) 33. Public participation 34. Public transport should be free 35. Public/private partnerships 36. Scan, select, quantify, target 37. Selling your message to the community 38. Senior/Non-driver Summit 39. Simulations and visual scenarios 40. Smart growth 41. South/North transfers 42. Sustainable mobility strategies 43. Task Force (local) creation 44. The Mayors' Game 45. Transit strikes (plans, strategies) 46. Urban regeneration 47. Value capture 48. Video diaries/open blog 49. Vision Zero (Sweden, road safety) 50. Web sites to support your New Mobility projects/program 51. Women, Equity and Transport 52. Zero carbon projects -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060819/3b3e0793/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Aug 19 21:41:00 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:41:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Free Public Transport Message-ID: <002901c6c38c$bd6d1c00$6401a8c0@Home> Dear all, Is there any significant difference between the concept of free public tansport and Cashing out parking ? The two concepts have sustainable tendencies.However,developing countries would need to be in full cxontrol of their cities land use regulation before they could benefit from them. Joshua Odeleye. Nigerian Institute Of Transport Technology, Zaria, Nigeria From m.e.garcia at uol.com.br Sat Aug 19 20:22:34 2006 From: m.e.garcia at uol.com.br (Mario Eduardo Garcia) Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 08:22:34 -0300 Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles Message-ID: <20060819112248.E697840033A2@socom3.uol.com.br> Dear all Does anyone have info on the motorcycles policy and ownership control in Singapore? Is it a key issue in the city? Do they have a sort of rules similar to the cars? Many thanks Mario E. Garcia Sao Paulo Brazil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060819/9f9a152c/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sun Aug 20 14:23:58 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 07:23:58 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Our traffic mess costs - Metro Manila In-Reply-To: <1156037100.1018bcb87ec11bb6.5bc1bfc3@persist.google.com> Message-ID: <004401c6c418$d8efc810$6401a8c0@Home> Our traffic mess costs P140B By RENE Q. BAS Sunday Times Editor Our traffic mess costs us, says the NGO Citizens? Traffic Watch, echoing a World Bank-commissioned study many years ago, more than P15-billion pesos yearly. But the Department of Transportation and Communication gives a higher figure of P140 billion, counting direct and indirect economic losses due to traffic congestion. Some, including this writer, believe it?s much more than P140 billion. The National Center for Transportation Studies? Professors Ricardo Sigua and Noriel Tiglao six years ago wrote a paper on the "Economic Impact of Traffic Congestion in Metro Manila." They based their computations on a survey that was conducted by the Metro Manila Urban Integration Study, or MMUTIS, which up to now is the most comprehensive guide used by transport planners who have not lost the hope that a proper master plan for an integrated Metro Manila vehicular traffic system could still be adopted and made to work. The survey involved 58,250 households in Metro Manila and Cavite, Laguna, Rizal and Bulacan. One hundred billion pesos was the estimate Sigua and Tiglao came up with of the economic cost of traffic congestion in the metropolis. They factored in the value of time lost by workers as well as managers and the additional expenses for fuel and maintenance of vehicles. Tiglao thought P100 billion was a conservative figure. He and Sigua did not factor in the health and environmental costs and foreign investments lost. At that time, the cost of gasoline per liter was less than half of today?s P45-plus per liter. So I am confident that the economic cost of trip delays caused by traffic congestion is much more than the DOTC?s P140-billion figure. The "direct and indirect economic losses" include these costs to the economy of losses in everything affected by traffic jams and accidents caused by our traffic mess: * ? The cost of fuel wasted on stop-and-go and snail-paced traffic on EDSA and other major roads of Metro Manila (and major cities like Cebu). * ? The lost productivity of workers and managers stuck in traffic instead of doing their work at their desks and their factories or shops. * ? The wages and salaries of larger than necessary complements of police officers and traffic aides doing duty in the most problematic areas at rush hours. * ? The loss of US-dollar business that happens when a traffic jam makes Filipino entrepreneurs fail to arrive on time for appointments with their foreign buyers. * ? The cost of medicine for those who, exposed to long hours of the toxic-air commute in jeeps and buses, come down with severe colds, allergies and asthma attacks and other lung diseases. * ? The loss of the good health of our schoolchildren subjected to motor-traffic pollution. * ? The increased wear and tear of motor vehicles traveling at low gear most of the time. * ? The increased occurrence of accidents and fights brought on by frayed nerves and irritable dispositions caused by traffic jams, traffic mismanagement and bad drivers (who, we must not forget, are as blameful as anybody for our traffic mess). "While the road accident situation is slowly improving in the high-income industrialized countries," says Tiglao, "most developing countries such as the Philippines face a worsening situation. The continuous socioeconomic growth over the years is causing increasing demand for transport service including road transport. With the number of vehicles on the road growing rapidly, more road conflicts develop vis-?-vis traffic accidents. Engineering vs. accidents "Most of these accidents result from human error and carelessness on the part of the drivers or pedestrians. However, the probability of occurrence, and its severity, can often be reduced by applying proper traffic-control devices, and good roadway design features. The success or failure of such control devices and design specifications, however, depends extensively on the analysis of traffic accident records at specific locations. It has long been recognized that the most effective means toward accident reduction lies in a systematic and scientific approach based on the use of accurate and reliable traffic accident data. But the quantity of data important for the analysis is not always sufficient "Much of the accident information available in police files is all too often incomplete and therefore has not been used to the fullest extent. In addition, records are also needed to provide facts to guide programs including enforcement, education, maintenance, vehicle inspection, emergency medical services, and engineering to improve streets and highways." In 2005 a total of 11,425 traffic accidents occurred, the PNP?s Traffic Management Group records. In the first two months of 2006, there were 1,364 vehicular accidents, many of these with fatalities. Motorcycle accidents Motorcycles have increasingly figured in the accident rate. Last year, 2,798 or 24 percent of all motor-vehicle accidents involved motorcycles. In Metro Manila alone, 250 persons died from motorcycle accidents over the last three years, or an average of 83 fatalities a year. A total of 8,968 nonfatal injuries caused by motor vehicle accidents were recorded over the last three years, or an average of 2,989 injuries a year. Bothered by these data, Sen. Aquilino Pimentel has filed a bill requiring the national and local governments to designate an appropriate motorcycle lane on major roads. A gigantic economic loss hits the whole nation because many foreign investors are turned off by our traffic mess. Our traffic congestion, with its concomitant economic and health hazards, has been mentioned time and again in country reports written by foreign-bank economists for their clients. The foreign chambers in the Philippines last year issued a joint statement that brought up the terrible state of traffic in Metro Manila as a problem they would like to see dramatically improved. The most recent document giving this message comes to us from the Japanese. Last January the Japanese Chamber of Commerce and Industry publicized the findings of a "Comparative Study of the Climate of Investment Between the Philippines and Thailand." The comments about our traffic condition are in the section on infrastructure. Bangkok beats Manila Many Filipinos, guided by news they read 10 years ago about the horrible Bangkok traffic, will learn to be more accurate when they read what the Japanese have to say. "Infrastructure is the most important factor when foreign companies operating in Southeast Asia evaluate a country?s environment of investment. A recent survey of Japanese companies in the region showed a general evaluation that Thailand is well ahead of the Philippines in the development of electric power, water and sewage system, telecommunications, roads and ports. In our comparative study, too, the Philippines is way behind Thailand in almost all vital infrastructures such as roads, ports, airports and electricity, which are indispensable to production and transportation operations of foreign investors. "The following examples may highlight the difference in infrastructure development of the two countries: "1. Share of investment in infrastructure in GDP: "Thailand has been spending five to six percent of its GDP to develop infrastructure, while in the Philippines, investment in infrastructure has been two to three percent of its GDP. "2. Development of tollways and pavement of national roads: "In Thailand, tollways extend as long as 333km. In the Philippines, tollway extension is only 146km. Ninety-eight percent of national roads are being paved in Thailand; in the Philippines, only 70 percent of its national roads are paved." The study covers all the items under the heading "infrastructure" in all of which the Philippines pales by comparison and finally delivers this judgment about the traffic situation here. Projects barely moving "In terms of mass transit in the National Capital Region, 700,000 people use the system in Bangkok daily while in Metro Manila, authorities report 800,000 passengers a day. In Bangkok, projects to extend its subway and sky train systems are clearly moving and the daily load of passengers of its mass transit system will likely surpass that of Metro Manila as projects to extend mass transit system here are barely moving. "As shown in the list of examples above, it may be difficult to expect the Philippines to catch up with Thailand in infrastructure development in a short time span. Nevertheless, there are some areas of infrastructure development that the Philippines can expeditiously implement. The JCCIPI would like to recommend the following areas for expeditious implementation in the Philippines. We would also like to emphasize that local and foreign business communities, including JCCIPI, continue to watch if the government of the Philippines commits itself to infrastructure development and to the speed of its implementation." Do they really want to solve the problem? By The Manila Times Research Staff In March 1996, as the efforts to solve the traffic mess intensified, the Metro Manila Urban Transportation Integration Study was launched with technical assistance from the Japan International Cooperation Agency. Its basic goal then as now is to set up a firmly founded and constantly updated database. The government and its authors hoped that the study?s well of information would then serve as the guide of all the government agencies (MMDA, DOTC, DPWH, PNP-TMG, LTO, LTFRB, etc.) and private-sector companies concerned with traffic-congestion relief to draw up a master plan to be carried out until 2015 (from which time a new plan for the succeeding decade would again be devised). The Manila Times (8/20/2006 12:34:18 AM) _____ LRT and MRT: Doing what they do well By Katrice R. Jalbuena The Manila Times The total population of Metro Manila and environs is about 15 million. By 2010 Metro Manila?s population will reach 11.3 million and its surrounding areas, 11.4 million, bringing the total population of the metropolis to 22.7 million. This trend in urbanization?urban planners immediately saw in the eighties?requires mass-transit trains. The Manila Times (8/20/2006 12:34:09 AM) _____ MMDA: Unwelcome do-gooder By Cris Malifier Reyes The Manila TImes Chairman Bayani Fernando of the Metro Manila Development Authority?by law?is the point man in solving the Metro Manila traffic mess. Unfortunately, he is often challenged in turf battles by some mayors of the cities of the National Capital Region. Fernando has been an innovative and hard-working antitraffic-mess activist. Expectedly, some of his ideas have not gone down well with populists and the leftists. But he is also unceasingly criticized?the word should be ?berated??by some Metro Manila mayors. The law creating the MMDA makes him overseer and doer of the things that are normally the work of mayors and the police: traffic management, garbage management, flood control, the metropolis? beautification and some other areas of work. The Manila Times (8/20/2006 12:33:52 AM) _____ Why Pinoys make lousy drivers In the old days the folks called it ?abilidad,? the ability to put one over a person or the government. Being ?wais? (wise) enabled one to circumvent the rules or the law. The current word is ?palusot,? which means the same thing: getting ahead at somebody?s expense or abbreviating the rules to achieve your goal. The Manila Times (8/20/2006 12:20:22 AM) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060820/fd458d9f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 43 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060820/fd458d9f/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060820/fd458d9f/attachment-0001.gif From etts at indigo.ie Mon Aug 21 06:51:07 2006 From: etts at indigo.ie (Brendan Finn) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:51:07 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Motorcycles References: <20060819112248.E697840033A2@socom3.uol.com.br> Message-ID: <002401c6c4a6$d8966cf0$0401a8c0@finn> Dear Mario, Normally the best starting point for all transportation matters should be the Land Transport Authority (LTA). The LTA website is www.lta.gov.sg Among other things, the LTA is responsible for the road infrastructure, traffic management, vehicle licencing policy, ERP (Electronic Road Licencing). I can't remember whether the LTA is directly responsible for the Certificate of Entitlement (COE) which every vehicle must have, but there will certainly be information about it on the LTA site. By controlling the number of COEs issued for different categories of vehicles - duration of a COE is 10 years - this in effect controls the number of vehicles in each class on the island. It should be possible to see on the LTA website both how many COEs are issued and their current cost. Two other items about motorcycles in Singapore. (1) As I recall, about half of the 200 or so road deaths every year are motorcyclists (2) In addition to the Singaporean motorcycle stock, a large number of motorcyclists enter Singapore every day from Malaysia over the two crossings at Johor Bahru (Causeway) and Tuas. With best wishes, Brendan Finn. _____________________________________________________________________________________ >From Brendan Finn, ETTS Ltd. e-mail : etts@indigo.ie tel : +353.87.2530286 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mario Eduardo Garcia To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: [sustran] Motorcycles Dear all Does anyone have info on the motorcycles policy and ownership control in Singapore? Is it a key issue in the city? Do they have a sort of rules similar to the cars? Many thanks Mario E. Garcia Sao Paulo Brazil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060820/48237dc0/attachment.html From kennaughkb at yahoo.com.au Tue Aug 22 12:14:47 2006 From: kennaughkb at yahoo.com.au (Kirk Bendall) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 13:14:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Free Public Transport In-Reply-To: <002901c6c38c$bd6d1c00$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <20060822031447.618.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Joshua, differneces includes price signals: demand will change for parking and transit ; and beneficiaries, both those who are paid NOT to use parking, and those on 'free' public transport. regards, kirk Wollongong Australia Eric Britton wrote: Dear all, Is there any significant difference between the concept of free public tansport and Cashing out parking ? The two concepts have sustainable tendencies.However,developing countries would need to be in full cxontrol of their cities land use regulation before they could benefit from them. Joshua Odeleye. Nigerian Institute Of Transport Technology, Zaria, Nigeria -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). --------------------------------- On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060822/6e44fe82/attachment.html From chaerani at indrani.net Tue Aug 22 21:59:38 2006 From: chaerani at indrani.net (Meutia Chaerani) Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 20:59:38 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Wikipedia-like Urban Encyclopedia Message-ID: Hi Sustran List members, I have just joined http://urban.wikia.com . It is basically an open encyclopedia (just like http://www.wikipedia.org ) dedicated for urban issues. It is just recently setup and needs more participation and contributed articles. This wiki does not aim to replace discussion groups or blog, but rather, more as a repository of information: summarizing, compiling, and organizing information in a manner similar to wikipedia, with the help of participation from people like you. Urbepedia is a wiki about all things urban ? the experiences and challenges of city life in the 21st century, the history of cities and ideas about cities, current views on urban design and city planning, urban sustainability, the megacities of the developing world, how technology affects the way we live in cities, citizenship? In 1800, approximately 3% of the world's population lived in urban areas. In 1900 it was 14%, and in 2000, 47%. This year the global urban population is in the majority. The importance of creating and managing sustainable and liveable cities cannot be underestimated. Urbepedia is specialised in urban issues and hence expected to contain more in-depth and more technical information than the wikipedia itself. It should also have info on contacting/linking with people and organizations that work in the field of urban development. This wiki opens the door to everyone who has knowledge, ideas and experiences about cities to share them in an open forum. The open and collaborative exchange of information of wikis is an ideal model for the 21st century city. Please feel free to contribute to this collaborative effort. Regards, chaerani From hghazali at gmail.com Wed Aug 23 19:38:19 2006 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:38:19 +0500 Subject: [sustran] Video of Pakistani traffic police Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7c8MR0T4CY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060823/d9f947a1/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Aug 23 20:49:43 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:49:43 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Video of Pakistani traffic police In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00a801c6c6aa$3b0633c0$6401a8c0@Home> Hi, I think you have done a fine job on this difficult assignment and you certainly are to be congratulated. I particularly appreciate the way that you have tried, and succeeded, to be even handed. That is so difficult, and even more so when it involves matters which are close to our culture and close to our hearts. I wonder how you feel about the insults that have appeared in the site. That is not easy. I have to say that when I am insulted, belittled or attacked, my very first reaction is, call it, aggressive defensive. But what I have learned in my fairly long life is that when this happens it almost always tells more about the aggressor than about the aggressive (including when it's me). So maybe you might want to consider leaving them in, as nasty, aggressive and sad as they are. Why? Because this is precisely part of the problem. In any event, I have immediately published your video on our Global South Mobility Video Library, which you can catch at http://www.youtube.com/group/globalsouth. If you have or know of many more which deal with the problems we face when it comes to transport and quality of life in cities, I would be grateful if you might let me know about them Sincerest congratulations and best wishes to you all, With all good wishes Eric Britton New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility E: contact@newmobility.org Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com EcoPlan International Innovation consultancy/advisory 9440 Readcrest Drive Los Angeles, CA 90210 Tel: +1 310 601-8468 E: contact@ecoplan.org Skype: ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060823/2f88e479/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Aug 24 00:46:47 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:46:47 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Coming Attractions - Comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <010c01c6c6cb$596dd9f0$6401a8c0@Home> This is an invitation to take a break and have a look at the new "Coming Attractions" video sequence which we posted today and which you will now find on the top menu of the New Mobility Advisory/Briefs at http://newmobilitybriefs.org. There is some great stuff there, so get comfortable and give yourself twenty minutes, maybe with a cup or glass of something agreeable. You'll see that it automatically takes you from clip to clip so no need to take the wheel. I think you will not be bored and at the end of the cycle you just may have a new thought or two. I did. In fact what about this? I would like to invite your comments and thoughts on not only these videos, but also the use of videos more generally in our work and communications. If you are on for this, may I suggest that you keep the above subject line in anything you write to the group -- which has the advantage of keeping everything in one easily searchable thread. Very handy when we want to use the database as an information and research resource. I look forward to hearing what you have to say on this approach and hope very much that you find some use in this. Eric Britton From mrco at adb.org Thu Aug 24 02:01:35 2006 From: mrco at adb.org (mrco at adb.org) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:01:35 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Michael R. Co/Consultants/ADB is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 23/08/2006 and will not return until 04/09/2006. I will respond to your message when I return. For urgent matters, please contact Ms. Agatha Diaz phone +63 2 632 4444 local 70301 or Ms. Gianina Panopio From service at youtube.com Thu Aug 24 02:39:54 2006 From: service at youtube.com (YouTube Service) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] fekbritton sent you a video! Message-ID: <20060823173954.EF21816465@linux.local> fekbritton wants to share the following video with you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AV7s3dFcBA Video Description See Part 1 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzwH9pme-J8 and Part 2 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRRXfa9-uo Part 3 of "Moving forward : towards better urban transport" continues a look at solutions to urban transport problems. This documentary gives a brief introduction to some of the isssues related to modern urban transport in the 'global South', with a focus on Southeast Asia. With footage from Burma, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand and Singapore, this documentary outlines problems associated with transport in cities. It also introduces some of the key tools to tackle these challenges, and make urban transport safer, cleaner, healthier and more people-friendly. Credits: Produced in 2000 by the SUSTRAN Resource Centre (Malaysia) for the SUSTRAN Network, with the assistance of the Southeast Asia Regional Canada Fund. Produced and directed by Zaitun M. Kasim and Paul Barter. Video concept by Paul Barter, Tamim Raad, Zaitun M. Kasim; editing by Neil Felix, Pusat Komunikasi Masyarakat, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Personal Message As I guess most of us here are all to well aware xTransit is usually thought of (most often) not at all, or if a bit, as the ugly duckling of the transportation sector. This is true above all of the transportation planers and policy makers, who, in a phrase, don't like it much. But there are hundreds of millions of people on this planet to don't really think about it, as such, they just use it. Strange world we live in. This fine little video is part of a series of three produced in 2000 by the SUSTRAN Resource Centre (Malaysia) for the SUSTRAN Network. It serves quite nicely to give an idea of the true importance of our "ugly duckling". It would be nice if someone were listening. Eric Britton. To accept my friend request, click here: http://www.youtube.com/signup_login?ci=5C2A008E993E0FE7 To respond to fekbritton, click on the following link: http://www.youtube.com/outbox?to_user=fekbritton Thanks, fekbritton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060823/3fac3458/attachment.html From sulin at vectordesigns.org Thu Aug 24 12:21:13 2006 From: sulin at vectordesigns.org (Su-Lin Chee) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:21:13 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: [msia-plan-transp] Protest breakdown of Penang bus system: Aug 11-Fri 12.00noon Penang Rd-KOMTAR Message-ID: An article on the protest on the breakdown of the Penang bus system is available on TransitKL, an informal interest group on public transportation in the Klang Valley. Please see http://transit.vectordesigns.org/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=28 You can also see today's comments by Penang Chief Minister on emulating KL's bus system: http://transit.vectordesigns.org/index.php? option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=28 > > Halo friends, > > Protest against Penang??s non-functioning bus system > > There has been enough of talk to give the non-functioning bus > operators some more chances ?Cyet it is clear to all bus users & > Penangites that there is no use flogging a dead horse! A system > change is needed ?Ca real reform for our dying public transport > system. Nothing less ?Clet??s send this message out loud and clear > at this Friday??s protest(11-8-06 12.00noon Penang Rd, KOMTAR end, > at pedestrian crossing) ! See you there ! > > All welcome ! Please forward to more friends ! > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Ong BK 013-5900339 > > For poster go to Malaysia's hottest transport forum : > www.penangwatch.net > > > > > > > Best wishes, Su-Lin Chee project manager klang valley public transportation information system vector designs www.vectordesigns.org 54a jalan kemuja bangsar utama 59000 kuala lumpur tel/fax +603.22826363 mobile +6016.2183363 From debi.cat at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 16:23:31 2006 From: debi.cat at gmail.com (Debi Goenka) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:53:31 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Fw: Driving in Bangalore / India Message-ID: <001b01c6c817$6773c080$0201a8c0@DEBI> Very interesting and illuminating piece of work; hope that in his next instalment, doesn't forget to write about our traffic cops! Cheers Debi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Driving in Bangalore / India To: This article was written by a Dutchman who spent two years in Bangalore, India, as a visiting expert. Driving in Bangalore / India For the benefit of every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting India and daring to drive on Indian roads, I am offering a few hints for survival. They are applicable to every place in India except Bihar, where life outside a vehicle is only marginally safer. Indian road rules broadly operate within the domain of karma where you do your best, and leave the results to your insurance company. The hints are as follows: Do we drive on the left or right of the road? The answer is "both". Basically you start on the left of the road, unless it is occupied. In that case, go to the right, unless that is also occupied. Then proceed by occupying the next available gap, as in chess. Just trust your instincts, ascertain the direction, and proceed. Adherence to road rules leads to much misery and occasional fatality. Most drivers don't drive, but just aim their vehicles in the generally intended direction. Don't you get discouraged or underestimate yourself except for a belief in reincarnation; the other drivers are not in any better position. Don't stop at pedestrian crossings just because some fool wants to cross the road. You may do so only if you enjoy being bumped in the back. Pedestrians have been strictly instructed to cross only when traffic is moving slowly or has come to a dead stop because some minister is in town. Still some idiot may try to wade across, but then, let us not talk ill of the dead. Blowing your horn is not a sign of protest as in some countries. We horn to express joy, resentment, frustration, romance and bare lust (two brisk blasts),or just mobilize a dozing cow in the middle of the bazaar. Keep informative books in the glove compartment. You may read them during traffic jams, while awaiting the chief minister's motorcade, or waiting for the rainwater to recede when over ground traffic meets underground drainage. Occasionally you might see what looks like a UFO with blinking colored lights and weird sounds emanating from within. This is an illuminated bus, full of happy pilgrims singing bhajans. These pilgrims go at breakneck speed, seeking contact with the Almighty, often meeting with success. Auto Rickshaw (Baby Taxi): The result of a collision between a rickshaw and an automobile, this three-wheeled vehicle works on an external combustion engine that runs on a mixture of kerosene oil and creosote. This triangular vehicle carries iron rods, gas cylinders or passengers three times its weight and dimension, at an unspecified fare. After careful geometric calculations, children are folded and packed into these auto rickshaws until some children in the periphery are not in contact with the vehicle at all. Then their school bags are pushed into the microscopic gaps all round so those minor collisions with other vehicles on the road cause no permanent damage. Of course, the peripheral children are charged half the fare and also learn Newton's laws of motion en route to school. Auto-rickshaw drivers follow the road rules depicted in the film Ben Hur, and are licensed to irritate. Mopeds: The moped looks like an oil tin on wheels and makes noise like an electric shaver. It runs 30 miles on a teaspoon of petrol and travels at break-bottom speed. As the sides of the road are too rough for a ride, the moped drivers tend to drive in the middle of the road; they would rather drive under heavier vehicles instead of around them and are often "mopped" off the tarmac. Leaning Tower of Passes: Most bus passengers are given free passes and during rush hours, there is absolute mayhem. There are passengers hanging off other passengers, who in turn hang off the railings and the overloaded bus leans dangerously, defying laws of gravity but obeying laws of surface tension. As drivers get paid for overload (so many Rupees per kg of passenger), no questions are ever asked. Steer clear of these buses by a width of three passengers. One-way Street: These boards are put up by traffic people to add jest in their otherwise drab lives. Don't stick to the literal meaning and proceed in one direction. In metaphysical terms, it means that you cannot proceed in two directions at once. So drive as you like, in reverse throughout, if you are the fussy type. Least I sound hypercritical, I must add a positive point also. Rash and fast driving in residential areas has been prevented by providing a "speed breaker"; two for each house. This mound, incidentally, covers the water and drainage pipes for that residence and is left untarred for easy identification by the corporation authorities, should they want to recover the pipe for year-end accounting. Night driving on Indian roads can be an exhilarating experience for those with the mental make up of Genghis Khan. In a way, it is like playing Russian roulette, because you do not know who amongst the drivers is loaded. What looks like premature dawn on the horizon turns out to be a truck attempting a speed record. On encountering it, just pull partly into the field adjoining the road until the phenomenon passes. Our roads do not have shoulders, but occasional boulders. Do not blink your lights expecting reciprocation. The only dim thing in the truck is the driver, and with the peg of illicit arrack (alcohol) he has had at the last stop, his total cerebral functions add up to little more than a naught. Truck drivers are the James Bonds of India, and are licensed to kill. Often you may encounter a single powerful beam of light about six feet above the ground. This is not a super motorbike, but a truck approaching you with a single light on, usually the left one. It could be the right one, but never get too close to investigate. You may prove your point posthumously. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/f883ea49/attachment.html From debi.cat at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 16:23:31 2006 From: debi.cat at gmail.com (Debi Goenka) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:53:31 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Fw: Driving in Bangalore / India Message-ID: <001b01c6c817$6773c080$0201a8c0@DEBI> Very interesting and illuminating piece of work; hope that in his next instalment, doesn't forget to write about our traffic cops! Cheers Debi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Driving in Bangalore / India To: This article was written by a Dutchman who spent two years in Bangalore, India, as a visiting expert. Driving in Bangalore / India For the benefit of every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting India and daring to drive on Indian roads, I am offering a few hints for survival. They are applicable to every place in India except Bihar, where life outside a vehicle is only marginally safer. Indian road rules broadly operate within the domain of karma where you do your best, and leave the results to your insurance company. The hints are as follows: Do we drive on the left or right of the road? The answer is "both". Basically you start on the left of the road, unless it is occupied. In that case, go to the right, unless that is also occupied. Then proceed by occupying the next available gap, as in chess. Just trust your instincts, ascertain the direction, and proceed. Adherence to road rules leads to much misery and occasional fatality. Most drivers don't drive, but just aim their vehicles in the generally intended direction. Don't you get discouraged or underestimate yourself except for a belief in reincarnation; the other drivers are not in any better position. Don't stop at pedestrian crossings just because some fool wants to cross the road. You may do so only if you enjoy being bumped in the back. Pedestrians have been strictly instructed to cross only when traffic is moving slowly or has come to a dead stop because some minister is in town. Still some idiot may try to wade across, but then, let us not talk ill of the dead. Blowing your horn is not a sign of protest as in some countries. We horn to express joy, resentment, frustration, romance and bare lust (two brisk blasts),or just mobilize a dozing cow in the middle of the bazaar. Keep informative books in the glove compartment. You may read them during traffic jams, while awaiting the chief minister's motorcade, or waiting for the rainwater to recede when over ground traffic meets underground drainage. Occasionally you might see what looks like a UFO with blinking colored lights and weird sounds emanating from within. This is an illuminated bus, full of happy pilgrims singing bhajans. These pilgrims go at breakneck speed, seeking contact with the Almighty, often meeting with success. Auto Rickshaw (Baby Taxi): The result of a collision between a rickshaw and an automobile, this three-wheeled vehicle works on an external combustion engine that runs on a mixture of kerosene oil and creosote. This triangular vehicle carries iron rods, gas cylinders or passengers three times its weight and dimension, at an unspecified fare. After careful geometric calculations, children are folded and packed into these auto rickshaws until some children in the periphery are not in contact with the vehicle at all. Then their school bags are pushed into the microscopic gaps all round so those minor collisions with other vehicles on the road cause no permanent damage. Of course, the peripheral children are charged half the fare and also learn Newton's laws of motion en route to school. Auto-rickshaw drivers follow the road rules depicted in the film Ben Hur, and are licensed to irritate. Mopeds: The moped looks like an oil tin on wheels and makes noise like an electric shaver. It runs 30 miles on a teaspoon of petrol and travels at break-bottom speed. As the sides of the road are too rough for a ride, the moped drivers tend to drive in the middle of the road; they would rather drive under heavier vehicles instead of around them and are often "mopped" off the tarmac. Leaning Tower of Passes: Most bus passengers are given free passes and during rush hours, there is absolute mayhem. There are passengers hanging off other passengers, who in turn hang off the railings and the overloaded bus leans dangerously, defying laws of gravity but obeying laws of surface tension. As drivers get paid for overload (so many Rupees per kg of passenger), no questions are ever asked. Steer clear of these buses by a width of three passengers. One-way Street: These boards are put up by traffic people to add jest in their otherwise drab lives. Don't stick to the literal meaning and proceed in one direction. In metaphysical terms, it means that you cannot proceed in two directions at once. So drive as you like, in reverse throughout, if you are the fussy type. Least I sound hypercritical, I must add a positive point also. Rash and fast driving in residential areas has been prevented by providing a "speed breaker"; two for each house. This mound, incidentally, covers the water and drainage pipes for that residence and is left untarred for easy identification by the corporation authorities, should they want to recover the pipe for year-end accounting. Night driving on Indian roads can be an exhilarating experience for those with the mental make up of Genghis Khan. In a way, it is like playing Russian roulette, because you do not know who amongst the drivers is loaded. What looks like premature dawn on the horizon turns out to be a truck attempting a speed record. On encountering it, just pull partly into the field adjoining the road until the phenomenon passes. Our roads do not have shoulders, but occasional boulders. Do not blink your lights expecting reciprocation. The only dim thing in the truck is the driver, and with the peg of illicit arrack (alcohol) he has had at the last stop, his total cerebral functions add up to little more than a naught. Truck drivers are the James Bonds of India, and are licensed to kill. Often you may encounter a single powerful beam of light about six feet above the ground. This is not a super motorbike, but a truck approaching you with a single light on, usually the left one. It could be the right one, but never get too close to investigate. You may prove your point posthumously. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/f883ea49/attachment-0001.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Fri Aug 25 18:26:25 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:26:25 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Fw: Driving in Bangalore / India References: <001b01c6c817$6773c080$0201a8c0@DEBI> Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F63@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Excellent! A few comments - 1. If this Dutchman is this funny in English, he must be uproarious in Dutch! 2. I am pleasantly surprised that, having dared to drive, he survived his two years. I have been in Mumbai for two weeks now, travelling about two hours a day with a driver - I would never dream of trying to drive myself. Hopefully I will survive the next two weeks - only one minor bump so far ... 3. Another rule - if you have mirrors (and many don't!), do not bother to adjust them, clean them or use them. Why bother about the mayhem you have left behind you? The devil take the hindmost! 4. Then of course there are rules for pedestrians. Like don't use the pavements, as they are for people to sleep on, eat off, beg from or sell from. And they are usually dark, or uneven, or flooded, or covered in rubble. No, far more interesting to walk on the highway! Cheers, Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Debi Goenka Sent: Fri 25/08/2006 08:23 To: CleanAirInitiative -- Asia; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport; sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Fw: Driving in Bangalore / India Very interesting and illuminating piece of work; hope that in his next instalment, doesn't forget to write about our traffic cops! Cheers Debi ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Driving in Bangalore / India To: This article was written by a Dutchman who spent two years in Bangalore, India, as a visiting expert. Driving in Bangalore / India For the benefit of every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting India and daring to drive on Indian roads, I am offering a few hints for survival. They are applicable to every place in India except Bihar, where life outside a vehicle is only marginally safer. Indian road rules broadly operate within the domain of karma where you do your best, and leave the results to your insurance company. The hints are as follows: Do we drive on the left or right of the road? The answer is "both". Basically you start on the left of the road, unless it is occupied. In that case, go to the right, unless that is also occupied. Then proceed by occupying the next available gap, as in chess. Just trust your instincts, ascertain the direction, and proceed. Adherence to road rules leads to much misery and occasional fatality. Most drivers don't drive, but just aim their vehicles in the generally intended direction. Don't you get discouraged or underestimate yourself except for a belief in reincarnation; the other drivers are not in any better position. Don't stop at pedestrian crossings just because some fool wants to cross the road. You may do so only if you enjoy being bumped in the back. Pedestrians have been strictly instructed to cross only when traffic is moving slowly or has come to a dead stop because some minister is in town. Still some idiot may try to wade across, but then, let us not talk ill of the dead. Blowing your horn is not a sign of protest as in some countries. We horn to express joy, resentment, frustration, romance and bare lust (two brisk blasts),or just mobilize a dozing cow in the middle of the bazaar. Keep informative books in the glove compartment. You may read them during traffic jams, while awaiting the chief minister's motorcade, or waiting for the rainwater to recede when over ground traffic meets underground drainage. Occasionally you might see what looks like a UFO with blinking colored lights and weird sounds emanating from within. This is an illuminated bus, full of happy pilgrims singing bhajans. These pilgrims go at breakneck speed, seeking contact with the Almighty, often meeting with success. Auto Rickshaw (Baby Taxi): The result of a collision between a rickshaw and an automobile, this three-wheeled vehicle works on an external combustion engine that runs on a mixture of kerosene oil and creosote. This triangular vehicle carries iron rods, gas cylinders or passengers three times its weight and dimension, at an unspecified fare. After careful geometric calculations, children are folded and packed into these auto rickshaws until some children in the periphery are not in contact with the vehicle at all. Then their school bags are pushed into the microscopic gaps all round so those minor collisions with other vehicles on the road cause no permanent damage. Of course, the peripheral children are charged half the fare and also learn Newton's laws of motion en route to school. Auto-rickshaw drivers follow the road rules depicted in the film Ben Hur, and are licensed to irritate. Mopeds: The moped looks like an oil tin on wheels and makes noise like an electric shaver. It runs 30 miles on a teaspoon of petrol and travels at break-bottom speed. As the sides of the road are too rough for a ride, the moped drivers tend to drive in the middle of the road; they would rather drive under heavier vehicles instead of around them and are often "mopped" off the tarmac. Leaning Tower of Passes: Most bus passengers are given free passes and during rush hours, there is absolute mayhem. There are passengers hanging off other passengers, who in turn hang off the railings and the overloaded bus leans dangerously, defying laws of gravity but obeying laws of surface tension. As drivers get paid for overload (so many Rupees per kg of passenger), no questions are ever asked. Steer clear of these buses by a width of three passengers. One-way Street: These boards are put up by traffic people to add jest in their otherwise drab lives. Don't stick to the literal meaning and proceed in one direction. In metaphysical terms, it means that you cannot proceed in two directions at once. So drive as you like, in reverse throughout, if you are the fussy type. Least I sound hypercritical, I must add a positive point also. Rash and fast driving in residential areas has been prevented by providing a "speed breaker"; two for each house. This mound, incidentally, covers the water and drainage pipes for that residence and is left untarred for easy identification by the corporation authorities, should they want to recover the pipe for year-end accounting. Night driving on Indian roads can be an exhilarating experience for those with the mental make up of Genghis Khan. In a way, it is like playing Russian roulette, because you do not know who amongst the drivers is loaded. What looks like premature dawn on the horizon turns out to be a truck attempting a speed record. On encountering it, just pull partly into the field adjoining the road until the phenomenon passes. Our roads do not have shoulders, but occasional boulders. Do not blink your lights expecting reciprocation. The only dim thing in the truck is the driver, and with the peg of illicit arrack (alcohol) he has had at the last stop, his total cerebral functions add up to little more than a naught. Truck drivers are the James Bonds of India, and are licensed to kill. Often you may encounter a single powerful beam of light about six feet above the ground. This is not a super motorbike, but a truck approaching you with a single light on, usually the left one. It could be the right one, but never get too close to investigate. You may prove your point posthumously. ________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 10867 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/bb4e54f0/attachment.bin From hghazali at gmail.com Fri Aug 25 20:19:38 2006 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:19:38 +0500 Subject: [sustran] CNG buses in Punjab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *Apologies for cross-postings* Friends, The Government of the Punjab is seriously considering the shift to CNG in buses which ply the streets of large cities in the province. In this regard, I need some straightforward and rather urgent advice as the matter has reached a critical stage in the decision making process. There is general consensus on the economic benefits and energy security CNG use provides but there are still uncertainties regarding the finer points of engine compatibility, tariffs, fuel efficiency and environmental effects. The summary report moved by the transport department is terse which makes us believe that there is definitely some analytical work to be done, especially on the infrastructure deficit, costs involved and social impact. To a large extent, the government is inspired by the Delhi experience and there are concerns about the current state of the environment there and whether any recent third party evaluation of the intervention in Delhi has taken place? If you could advise on this, or comment on whether you consider the move to CNG to have helped Delhi's urban sphere, it would enable us to make an informed decision. Thanking you in advance, Hassaan Ghazali -- Legal and Institutional Reform Specialist (Acting) Urban Sector Policy and Management Unit (The Urban Unit) Planning and Development Department, Government of the Punjab A: 4-B Lytton Road, Lahore T: (+92 42) 921 3579-84 Ext.116 M:(+92 345) 455 6016 F: (+92 42) 921 3585 Skype:halgazel http://hghazali.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/8d75041f/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Aug 25 20:51:38 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:51:38 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F63@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <007d01c6c83c$d760b4f0$6501a8c0@Home> No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. It does no good and illuminates nothing useful To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is it all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? Someone help me here.) . I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured piece belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty guffawing colonials after their fifth beer. (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white man's party, eh?) Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what I say here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come here and look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. I live on the fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. With all good wishes Eric Britton New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility E: contact@newmobility.org Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com Technology. Economy. Society. Francis Eric Knight Britton Innovation consultancy/advisory The Commons EcoPlan Association 1901 8/10, rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France eric.britton@ecoplan.org fekbritton@gmail.com tel: tel2: mobile: Skype ID: +338 7044 0343 +331 4326 1323 +336 7321 5868 ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 24740 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/b27ce54a/winmail.bin From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Fri Aug 25 20:58:34 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:58:34 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: CNG buses in Punjab References: Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F64@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> I assume you want replies by the list, Hassan? I am not an expert in bus engineering, more in operations. But I would say to be careful in what you are comparing CNG with. Don't just compare with "Existing" (which I rather think is what was done in Delhi). In particular, look at the best of Diesel engine technology (e.g. Euro 5), which may well give 95% of the benefits of CNG but at a much lower cost and without some of the problems. Regards, Alan (from Mumbai) -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org on behalf of Hassaan Ghazali Sent: Fri 25/08/2006 12:19 To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] CNG buses in Punjab *Apologies for cross-postings* Friends, The Government of the Punjab is seriously considering the shift to CNG in buses which ply the streets of large cities in the province. In this regard, I need some straightforward and rather urgent advice as the matter has reached a critical stage in the decision making process. There is general consensus on the economic benefits and energy security CNG use provides but there are still uncertainties regarding the finer points of engine compatibility, tariffs, fuel efficiency and environmental effects. The summary report moved by the transport department is terse which makes us believe that there is definitely some analytical work to be done, especially on the infrastructure deficit, costs involved and social impact. To a large extent, the government is inspired by the Delhi experience and there are concerns about the current state of the environment there and whether any recent third party evaluation of the intervention in Delhi has taken place? If you could advise on this, or comment on whether you consider the move to CNG to have helped Delhi's urban sphere, it would enable us to make an informed decision. Thanking you in advance, Hassaan Ghazali -- Legal and Institutional Reform Specialist (Acting) Urban Sector Policy and Management Unit (The Urban Unit) Planning and Development Department, Government of the Punjab A: 4-B Lytton Road, Lahore T: (+92 42) 921 3579-84 Ext.116 M:(+92 345) 455 6016 F: (+92 42) 921 3585 Skype:halgazel http://hghazali.googlepages.com ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/50ef7865/attachment.html From et3 at et3.com Sat Aug 26 00:47:57 2006 From: et3 at et3.com (Daryl Oster) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:47:57 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Is E.B. patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - In-Reply-To: <007d01c6c83c$d760b4f0$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <200608251548.k7PFlvs8002957@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> > Original Message From: Eric Britton > Subject: [sustran] Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, > offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive > > No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. > It does no good and illuminates nothing useful > Eric, the piece is a very good observation of reality, and I agree with you that while good, it is not excellent. The piece IS funny, and it is illuminating, to be useful and therefore "excellent", there must be some suggestions at possible improvement. To point out a problem without suggesting a solution is complaining. > To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is > it all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? > Someone help me here.) . Complaining is a good start, you seem quite good at complaining about cars! (and you forget they are hear for many good reasons) Your complaint of the few problems of cars is a good start, AND you also suggest what you believe to be a "solution". IMO, the "solution" you suggest (car-free cities) is "patronizing, offensive, heavy handed, and counter-productive ... all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways". > I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured > piece belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty > guffawing colonials after their fifth beer. > > (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white > man's party, eh?) To you self incriminating list, we may now add "racist", and "presumptuous". > > Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what > I say here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come > here and look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. > I live on the fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > With all good wishes > Eric Britton Eric, One of the things I most respect about you is do not hide your contact information; that is a mark of integrity often lacking in forums of this type. I hope you have the courage there in your fifth floor Paris apartment to look yourself in the mirror and examine how your words and actions might appear to the "feckless 'natives'" that you are attempting to cure from "their primitive ways" from afar by taking away their cars, while you enjoy yours. BTW, I thought Alan's comment about the lack of use of mirrors was brilliant! My suggestion for improving the "problem" aptly pointed out in the well-written and honest piece you object to is: The solutions are education AND strict enforcement of reasoned rules, and this must be of vehicle users of all types AND pedestrians. I believe (but offer no proof) that if ALL traffic on a few representational streets, alleys, sidewalks, etc. in the city were to be strictly and completely enforced at ALL times to observe the law, that the users of the orderly street would quickly learn that it is in their best interests to obey reasoned rules even where they are not strictly enforced. Research shows that to reach a critical mass, it only takes about 1 or 2 percent adoption of a new way that is better for most people. The problem I see with your "car free" solution is that it seeks to go against what is in the best interest of most people -- and this has already been proven, as what you are really suggesting is to return to the old way of trains, busses, and bikes that is no longer sustainable against the superior value of car and airplane transportation. What puzzles me, and many other transportation experts is why you object to solutions (like ETT) that offer greater transportation value than cars and jets, without their problems of lack of energy and environmental sustainability; AND without the even greater sustainability problems associated with muscle powered and train transport. Best regards, Daryl Oster (c) 2006 all rights reserved. ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service marks of et3.com Inc. For licensing information contact: POB 1423, Crystal River FL 34423-1423 (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com From ericbruun at earthlink.net Sat Aug 26 03:45:13 2006 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:45:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [sustran] Re: Is E.B. patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - Message-ID: <30682373.1156531514016.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Daryl If I may interject here. I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't automatically dismiss concepts like the ETT. But until the financing is found for a demonstration project that proves the transportation value, I am on the side of agencies that continue to use proven technologies. This is the only responsible course. Most public agencies don't have a large research fund and look to higher levels of governments or NGO to do the proving. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Oster >Sent: Aug 25, 2006 11:47 AM >To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org, 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport' >Subject: [sustran] Is E.B. patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - > > > >> Original Message From: Eric Britton >> Subject: [sustran] Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, >> offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive >> >> No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. >> It does no good and illuminates nothing useful >> > >Eric, the piece is a very good observation of reality, and I agree with you >that while good, it is not excellent. The piece IS funny, and it is >illuminating, to be useful and therefore "excellent", there must be some >suggestions at possible improvement. To point out a problem without >suggesting a solution is complaining. > > >> To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and >> counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is >> it all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? >> Someone help me here.) . > >Complaining is a good start, you seem quite good at complaining about cars! >(and you forget they are hear for many good reasons) Your complaint of the >few problems of cars is a good start, AND you also suggest what you believe >to be a "solution". IMO, the "solution" you suggest (car-free cities) is >"patronizing, offensive, heavy handed, and counter-productive ... >all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways". > > >> I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured >> piece belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty >> guffawing colonials after their fifth beer. >> >> (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white >> man's party, eh?) > >To you self incriminating list, we may now add "racist", and "presumptuous". > > > >> >> Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what >> I say here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come >> here and look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. >> I live on the fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. >> With all good wishes >> Eric Britton > >Eric, >One of the things I most respect about you is do not hide your contact >information; that is a mark of integrity often lacking in forums of this >type. I hope you have the courage there in your fifth floor Paris apartment >to look yourself in the mirror and examine how your words and actions might >appear to the "feckless 'natives'" that you are attempting to cure from >"their primitive ways" from afar by taking away their cars, while you enjoy >yours. > >BTW, I thought Alan's comment about the lack of use of mirrors was >brilliant! > >My suggestion for improving the "problem" aptly pointed out in the >well-written and honest piece you object to is: > >The solutions are education AND strict enforcement of reasoned rules, and >this must be of vehicle users of all types AND pedestrians. I believe (but >offer no proof) that if ALL traffic on a few representational streets, >alleys, sidewalks, etc. in the city were to be strictly and completely >enforced at ALL times to observe the law, that the users of the orderly >street would quickly learn that it is in their best interests to obey >reasoned rules even where they are not strictly enforced. > >Research shows that to reach a critical mass, it only takes about 1 or 2 >percent adoption of a new way that is better for most people. The problem I >see with your "car free" solution is that it seeks to go against what is in >the best interest of most people -- and this has already been proven, as >what you are really suggesting is to return to the old way of trains, >busses, and bikes that is no longer sustainable against the superior value >of car and airplane transportation. What puzzles me, and many other >transportation experts is why you object to solutions (like ETT) that offer >greater transportation value than cars and jets, without their problems of >lack of energy and environmental sustainability; AND without the even >greater sustainability problems associated with muscle powered and train >transport. > >Best regards, > >Daryl Oster >(c) 2006 all rights reserved. ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" >e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service marks >of et3.com Inc. For licensing information contact: POB 1423, Crystal River >FL 34423-1423 (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com > >-------------------------------------------------------- >IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > >Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Sat Aug 26 06:40:33 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:40:33 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: CNG buses in Punjab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c6c88f$e434c560$0200a8c0@archibaldo> Hassaan, Please see our module on Natural Gas Vehicles (module 4d) from our resources section at www.sutp.org (registered users) for greater detail on these issues. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+carlos.pardo=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Hassaan Ghazali Enviado el: Viernes, 25 de Agosto de 2006 06:20 a.m. Para: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] CNG buses in Punjab *Apologies for cross-postings* Friends, The Government of the Punjab is seriously considering the shift to CNG in buses which ply the streets of large cities in the province. In this regard, I need some straightforward and rather urgent advice as the matter has reached a critical stage in the decision making process. There is general consensus on the economic benefits and energy security CNG use provides but there are still uncertainties regarding the finer points of engine compatibility, tariffs, fuel efficiency and environmental effects. The summary report moved by the transport department is terse which makes us believe that there is definitely some analytical work to be done, especially on the infrastructure deficit, costs involved and social impact. To a large extent, the government is inspired by the Delhi experience and there are concerns about the current state of the environment there and whether any recent third party evaluation of the intervention in Delhi has taken place? If you could advise on this, or comment on whether you consider the move to CNG to have helped Delhi's urban sphere, it would enable us to make an informed decision. Thanking you in advance, Hassaan Ghazali -- Legal and Institutional Reform Specialist (Acting) Urban Sector Policy and Management Unit (The Urban Unit) Planning and Development Department, Government of the Punjab A: 4-B Lytton Road, Lahore T: (+92 42) 921 3579-84 Ext.116 M:(+92 345) 455 6016 F: (+92 42) 921 3585 Skype:halgazel http://hghazali.googlepages.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060825/2c61a99c/attachment.html From et3 at et3.com Sat Aug 26 07:10:41 2006 From: et3 at et3.com (Daryl Oster) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:10:41 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Is E.B. patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore /India - In-Reply-To: <30682373.1156531514016.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <200608252210.k7PMAfs8020438@txslsmtp1.vzwmail.net> > Original Message From: Eric Bruun > > Daryl > > If I may interject here. I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't > automatically dismiss concepts like the ETT. > But until the financing is found for a demonstration project that > proves the transportation value, I am on the side of agencies that > continue to use proven technologies. This is the only responsible course. > Most public agencies don't have a large research fund and look to higher > levels of governments or NGO to do the proving. > > Eric Bruun > Eric Bruun, I did not consider that your initials are also E.B. -- I was referring to Eric Britton, and not you. Thank you for not being automatically dismissive of concepts like ETT. Is being dismissive for insubstantial reasons superior? Please consider a contradiction in your statement. On one hand you say: "I am on the side of agencies that continue to use proven technologies. This is the only responsible course." And on the other hand you say: "Most public agencies don't have a large research fund and look to higher levels of governments or NGO to do the proving." A contradiction is evident when one considers that for a given government investment, roads provide more transportation to more people than rail, yet government continues to subsidize the "proven" but failing in the market rail mode to a greater and greater extent. Rail continues to lose passenger market share to car and motorcycle. If funds are limited, is it not prudent to spend them in a way that generates the highest benefit for the majority of people? Muscle powered transportation was displaced by rail, and now cars have displaced rail through the same natural market forces that respond to value. The main reason the existence of passenger rail is perpetuated is the millions of lobby dollars directed to naive government officials by the world rail industry. This lobby investment lines the pockets of the rail industry with billions from those who can ill afford it, and would rather use it to save up for a motorcycle or car. The "proven technologies" excuse proffered by transit agencies is another contradiction of the same level as 'the emperor's new suit of non-existent clothes'. Travel in an evacuated environment is the most highly proven form of transportation known on earth -- every human who has ever lived travels more than 100,000 km every hour through the evacuated environment of space, and at virtually no cost per passenger km. Yet most see ETT as "un-proven" and trains as "proven", even though trains are a proven to be of less transportation value for most people (not all people) than cars. Trains are "proven" this is true, they are proven to be: only accessible to a small percentage of the population; the cost of accessibility is proven to be at least an order of magnitude greater than road acessibility; the recovery of capital cost of trains is proven to be untenable if in open competition to roads funded with tax and fees collected from only those who directly benefit from the road. Is not the "only responsible course" to spend public money so it is most likely to produce the greatest benefit for the most people? It is scientifically and physically proven than PRIVATLY FUNDED ETT development offer sufficient improvement in transportation value to naturally displace most car and jet use, thereby achieving the laudable objectives of the anti-car proponents. Why is it that our suggestion to consider and endorse the merits of so resisted? IMO, it must be that the influential figures in the anti-car movement must have a financial stake in rail implementation, or are somehow supported by the rail industry. I ask those responsible for spending public money to fully investigate the facts of why intercity passenger rail market share has fallen from 90%+ in 1910, to its present less than 1% in the US, and why this trend is repeating all over the world. Just because I recognize the many value advantages of cars/roads compared to trains, is not to say I am "anti-rail", or "pro-car", in fact there are some niche markets where trains offer a better solution than cars do. Just because value of cars is improving for an increasing percentage of the world's population, is not an indication that I do not see some problems with cars, or the few advantages of trains. I am not anti-car, nor pro-car, or anti or pro-train. I point out facts why ETT is likely to produce far greater transportation value for more people than cars and jets presently do. All I ask is for those who are of an anti-car mind set, to fully research and compare the reasons that ETT offers far more chance of long term sustainability than do cars/roads and jets do; and to consider that trains are PROVEN to be less sustainable than road vehicles and jets for most people. We can supply facts showing: * ETT is capable of 50 times more passenger kilometers of transportation for a given energy input than trains, planes, or cars. * ETT requires less than 1/30th the material compared to elevated highway or railroad. * ETT with a design speed of 600km/h offers more than 10 times greater capacity than a maglev train capable of 500km/h. * A 100km of ETT guideway can be built for about 1/4th the cost of a 4-lane expressway, and about 1/15th the cost of elevated HSR. * The electrical power supply requirements for ETT are less than 1/100th the power supply requirements for HSR. * The world's population prefers to travel in randomly directable vehicles accommodating family sized groups of 4-6 persons, and in reclined seated comfort; instead of crammed into a much larger vehicle with hundreds of strangers, often with standing room only. * The cost of ETT is sufficiently low, and the benefit of ETT sufficiently high that ETT has the potential to offer profit potential sufficient to attract private investors (if it were not for the usual tendency for government to punish transportation innovation, and subsidize outdated modes). For those transportation experts, and public officials on this forum who take the time to fully investigate the facts; we at et3 challenge any of you to show any engineering data, or scientific fact that indicate that muscle powered vehicles, trains, cars, motorcycles, or jets are capable of providing greater transportation value for a greater percentage of the world's population than ETT is likely to provide if implemented. Daryl Oster (c) 2006? all rights reserved.? ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service marks of et3.com Inc.? For licensing information contact:?POB 1423, Crystal River FL 34423-1423? (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of > Eric Bruun > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:45 PM > To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; eric.britton@ecoplan.org; > 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport' > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is E.B. patronizing, offensive,heavy handed and > counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore /India - > > > Daryl > > If I may interject here. I can't speak for others, but I certainly don't > automatically dismiss concepts like > the ETT. But until the financing is found for a demonstration project that > proves the transportation value, I am on the side of agencies that > continue to use proven technologies. This is the only responsible course. > Most public agencies don't have a large research fund and look to higher > levels of governments or NGO to do the proving. > > Eric Bruun > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Daryl Oster > >Sent: Aug 25, 2006 11:47 AM > >To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org, 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport' > > >Subject: [sustran] Is E.B. patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive? Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - > > > > > > > >> Original Message From: Eric Britton > >> Subject: [sustran] Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, > >> offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive > >> > >> No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very > funny. > >> It does no good and illuminates nothing useful > >> > > > >Eric, the piece is a very good observation of reality, and I agree with > you > >that while good, it is not excellent. The piece IS funny, and it is > >illuminating, to be useful and therefore "excellent", there must be some > >suggestions at possible improvement. To point out a problem without > >suggesting a solution is complaining. > > > > > >> To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > >> counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or > is > >> it all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive > ways? > >> Someone help me here.) . > > > >Complaining is a good start, you seem quite good at complaining about > cars! > >(and you forget they are hear for many good reasons) Your complaint of > the > >few problems of cars is a good start, AND you also suggest what you > believe > >to be a "solution". IMO, the "solution" you suggest (car-free cities) is > >"patronizing, offensive, heavy handed, and counter-productive ... is> > >all about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways". > > > > > >> I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly > uncultured > >> piece belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty > >> guffawing colonials after their fifth beer. > >> > >> (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white > >> man's party, eh?) > > > >To you self incriminating list, we may now add "racist", and > "presumptuous". > > > > > > > >> > >> Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like > what > >> I say here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or > come > >> here and look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my > views. > >> I live on the fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > >> With all good wishes > >> Eric Britton > > > >Eric, > >One of the things I most respect about you is do not hide your contact > >information; that is a mark of integrity often lacking in forums of this > >type. I hope you have the courage there in your fifth floor Paris > apartment > >to look yourself in the mirror and examine how your words and actions > might > >appear to the "feckless 'natives'" that you are attempting to cure from > >"their primitive ways" from afar by taking away their cars, while you > enjoy > >yours. > > > >BTW, I thought Alan's comment about the lack of use of mirrors was > >brilliant! > > > >My suggestion for improving the "problem" aptly pointed out in the > >well-written and honest piece you object to is: > > > >The solutions are education AND strict enforcement of reasoned rules, and > >this must be of vehicle users of all types AND pedestrians. I believe > (but > >offer no proof) that if ALL traffic on a few representational streets, > >alleys, sidewalks, etc. in the city were to be strictly and completely > >enforced at ALL times to observe the law, that the users of the orderly > >street would quickly learn that it is in their best interests to obey > >reasoned rules even where they are not strictly enforced. > > > >Research shows that to reach a critical mass, it only takes about 1 or 2 > >percent adoption of a new way that is better for most people. The > problem I > >see with your "car free" solution is that it seeks to go against what is > in > >the best interest of most people -- and this has already been proven, as > >what you are really suggesting is to return to the old way of trains, > >busses, and bikes that is no longer sustainable against the superior > value > >of car and airplane transportation. What puzzles me, and many other > >transportation experts is why you object to solutions (like ETT) that > offer > >greater transportation value than cars and jets, without their problems > of > >lack of energy and environmental sustainability; AND without the even > >greater sustainability problems associated with muscle powered and train > >transport. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Daryl Oster > >(c) 2006 all rights reserved. ETT, et3, MoPod, "space travel on earth" > >e-tube, e-tubes, and the logos thereof are trademarks and or service > marks > >of et3.com Inc. For licensing information contact: POB 1423, Crystal > River > >FL 34423-1423 (352)257-1310, et3@et3.com , www.et3.com > > From alaninthegulf at yahoo.co.uk Fri Aug 25 21:16:50 2006 From: alaninthegulf at yahoo.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:16:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive In-Reply-To: <007d01c6c83c$d760b4f0$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <20060825121650.32365.qmail@web26013.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> But remember, Eric, it was an Indian activist who forwarded this to the group. Like it's Indians who produced the T shirt I have making similar comments about auto-rickshaws. I find that Indians, unlike some others, have an excellent sense of humour and know not to take themselves too seriously. Though how one brings about an improvement in the awful driving standards here, which result in very high accident rates, is another matter. Regards, Alan (contact details in sig, currently in Dharavi bus depot, Mumbai, next to Asia's biggest slum ...) --- Eric Britton wrote: > No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very > funny. It does > no good and illuminates nothing useful > > > > To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? > Or is it all > about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? > Someone help > me here.) . > > > > I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly > uncultured piece > belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty > guffawing > colonials after their fifth beer. > > (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next > white man's > party, eh?) > > > > Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like > what I say > here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come > here and > look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. I > live on the > fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > > > > With all good wishes > > > > Eric Britton > > > > New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? > > Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org > > > > The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org > > Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France > > Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility > > E: contact@newmobility.org > Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology. Economy. Society. > > > > > > Francis Eric Knight Britton > Innovation consultancy/advisory > > The Commons > EcoPlan Association 1901 > 8/10, rue Joseph Bara > 75006 Paris, France > > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > fekbritton@gmail.com > > > tel: > tel2: > mobile: > Skype ID: > > +338 7044 0343 > +331 4326 1323 > +336 7321 5868 > ericbritton > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via > YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The > yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post > to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it > seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries (the 'Global South'). -- Alan and Jacqui Howes, Perthshire, Scotland alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk (Alan) cybermog57@yahoo.co.uk (Jacqui) ___________________________________________________________ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. "The New Version is radically easier to use" ? The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html From robert_cowherd at yahoo.com Fri Aug 25 22:56:52 2006 From: robert_cowherd at yahoo.com (robert cowherd) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:56:52 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive In-Reply-To: <007d01c6c83c$d760b4f0$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: I was too perplexed and annoyed (I deleted the message at the "idiot" pedestrians comment in the fifth paragraph) to be so offended. Though cleverly written, this is the set of impressions I would expect someone to have after two weeks not two years. The disparaging attitude towards "chaos" doesn't give me much hope for selling shared space concepts a la Moderman. Robert Cowherd Associate Professor, Wentworth Institute of Technology Boston, USA On 8/25/06 7:51 AM, "Eric Britton" wrote: > No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. It > does > no good and illuminates nothing useful > > > > To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is it > all > about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? Someone > help > me here.) . > > > > I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured piece > belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty guffawing > colonials after their fifth beer. > > (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white man's > party, eh?) > > > > Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what I > say > here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come here and > look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. I live on > the > fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > > > > With all good wishes > > > > Eric Britton > > > > New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? > > Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org > > > > The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org > > Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France > > Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility > > E: contact@newmobility.org > Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology. Economy. Society. > > > > > > Francis Eric Knight Britton > Innovation consultancy/advisory > > The Commons > EcoPlan Association 1901 > 8/10, rue Joseph Bara > 75006 Paris, France > > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > fekbritton@gmail.com > > > tel: > tel2: > mobile: > Skype ID: > > +338 7044 0343 > +331 4326 1323 > +336 7321 5868 > ericbritton > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups > version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real > sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). > Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable > and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global > South'). From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sun Aug 27 16:01:03 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:01:03 +0200 Subject: [sustran] We invite you to 'go to the movies' Message-ID: <004201c6c9a6$927c94b0$6501a8c0@Home> Dear Sustran Friends, On Friday morning, 1 September, after more months than I care to remember of hard work and discussions, looking and listening, explaining and learning, with well placed friends and colleagues around the world who share our interests in the very large potential of low cost short term sustainability measures in our cities, we go on line with the New Mobility Advisory/Briefs program at http://newmobilitybriefs.org . We shall be announcing the program to you all officially at that time, but it occurred to me that even at the last minute it might be a good idea to put it before by way of advance information on something that I very much hope is going to be of use to many of you -- and in the hope that you might have some suggestions or reactions to share with us so that we can make this site a strong and convincing one. So to bring you right into the middle of it without a loss of time, I suggest that you click on the top right menu to the first link, Start Here (the text of which I copy below). But rather than weigh you down with details at this point, suppose I just invite you to 'go to the movies' with us, which you can do by clicking the "Coming Attractions" link on the top menu. Friends who have tested this for us unanimously reported that they found it a quite interesting introduction and reminder about some of the issues and choices that are central parts of the challenge before us all - so I do not hesitate in making this recommendation. As always, suggestions, reactions, criticism either to me in private at eric.britton@ecoplan.org or to the group if you feel that might spark their interest. See you on Friday. In the meantime enjoy the movies. Eric Britton Your first visit here? If so welcome -- and let's see now if we can give you a couple of hints that will help you navigate your way through this rather extensive set of materials, supporting information and leads without getting lost or wasting time: 1. Start here: This page is not a bad start; we urge you to take five minutes to make your way down it in order to get a first feel for the issues and approaches we have set out to cover and share with you. 2. "Coming Attractions": Make yourself a cup of coffee, kick up your feet, get comfortable, and spend twenty minutes or so with the Coming Attractions. This will take you to a set of short videos which we have compiled for you in an attempt to point up the universality of the problems of transport in cities, at its worst and eventually at something a lot better than that. These are for the most part not professional films, but if our topic interests you at all you should find some sharp reminders and brain food there. 3. The Briefs - in brief: For a quick reminder of what this is all about a few minutes, click to the In Brief link on the top menu for a quick overview as to what the Briefs themselves are all about. 4. Implementation: And finally, since the Briefs as 'print documents' are only one part of the much broader process that needs to be engaged, we would suggest you have a look at least at the opening page of the Implementation section. 5. Site Map and Search: Two very handy tools in case you get lost in this rather big site or need to find something. You will see the Site Map link always on line in the left menu toward the top. The Search box at the base of the menu should also be helpful There you have it. A quick guide for your first visit. We hope you find it both enjoyable and useful, and challenging. And if you have thoughts for how to make it better, or indeed any ideas or questions for us, all you have to do is click the little Contact link to top right and get in touch. And oh yes, by the way we answer out mail. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060827/70cb7cb6/attachment.html From debi.cat at gmail.com Mon Aug 28 01:15:04 2006 From: debi.cat at gmail.com (Debi Goenka) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 21:45:04 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and counter-productive References: Message-ID: <003501c6c9f3$f7fa9bf0$0201a8c0@DEBI> I am rather amused by all this fuss over a light hearted piece written by an annoymous "Dutchman" who may not even exist, and my amusement is increased by the fact that I have now have to consider myself as a native activist from India, land of snakes and tigers! (Has anyone seen the Indian rope trick recently? I also stay on the 5th floor, not too far from the elevator, and would be happy to show this to anyone who cares to drive in). And on a more serious note, as Alan has observed after two weeks in Mumbai, life on the roads is quite different here, and unless people on this list make allowances for this, we will never achieve common ground. (Do get in touch Alan, whilst you are still alive in Mumbai - would love to meet over a pothole :) ) Cheers! Debi Goenka B 502 Glengate Hiran. Gardens, Powai Mumbai 400076 India Mobile - +919820086404 ----- Original Message ----- From: robert cowherd To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport eric.britton@ecoplan.org, Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive I was too perplexed and annoyed (I deleted the message at the "idiot" pedestrians comment in the fifth paragraph) to be so offended. Though cleverly written, this is the set of impressions I would expect someone to have after two weeks not two years. The disparaging attitude towards "chaos" doesn't give me much hope for selling shared space concepts a la Moderman. Robert Cowherd Associate Professor, Wentworth Institute of Technology Boston, USA On 8/25/06 7:51 AM, "Eric Britton" wrote: > No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. It > does > no good and illuminates nothing useful > > > > To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is it > all > about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? Someone > help > me here.) . > > > > I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured piece > belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty guffawing > colonials after their fifth beer. > > (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white man's > party, eh?) > > > > Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what I > say > here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come here and > look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. I live on > the > fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > > > > With all good wishes > > > > Eric Britton > > > > New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? > > Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org > > > > The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org > > Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France > > Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility > > E: contact@newmobility.org > Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology. Economy. Society. > > > > > > Francis Eric Knight Britton > Innovation consultancy/advisory > > The Commons > EcoPlan Association 1901 > 8/10, rue Joseph Bara > 75006 Paris, France > > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > fekbritton@gmail.com > > > tel: > tel2: > mobile: > Skype ID: > > +338 7044 0343 > +331 4326 1323 > +336 7321 5868 > ericbritton > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups > version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real > sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). > Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable > and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global > South'). -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060827/bf06a544/attachment.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Mon Aug 28 14:23:43 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 06:23:43 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - References: <003501c6c9f3$f7fa9bf0$0201a8c0@DEBI> Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F69@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Hmm. While spending my weekend at the top of a hill in the rain [Matheran], away from email, my ears were burning somewhat. And on my only-moderately-frightening drive there and back (I was being driven) I was able to cogitate on the matter further. I agree very much with something Daryl had to say - ------------ Daryl Oster ------------------ The solutions are education AND strict enforcement of reasoned rules, and this must be of vehicle users of all types AND pedestrians. I believe (but offer no proof) that if ALL traffic on a few representational streets, alleys, sidewalks, etc. in the city were to be strictly and completely enforced at ALL times to observe the law, that the users of the orderly street would quickly learn that it is in their best interests to obey reasoned rules even where they are not strictly enforced. -------------------------------------------------------- Seems to me that safe, efficient use of a road transport network requires a "community spirit" - a recognition that, for the good of the greater number, I (as a road user) may have to lose a few seconds here and there. This spirit exists in most parts of the "developed world" that I have seen (though perhaps only recently in Italy, and I might exclude Israel). But it certainly does not exist here in India, nor did it in Saudi Arabia (Dubai was marginally better). And we all agree that Safe and Efficient are worthwhile goals, don't we? There does, indeed, seem to be no action whatsoever here on the part of the traffic police to try to improve driving standards, so drivers (and cyclists, and pedestrians) assume they can get away with any level of selfishness and recklessness - indeed, it is accepted as the norm. And I think the "Dutchman's" article illustrated this quite nicely - though I am happy to withdraw the description "excellent". (Reads very much like many similar coming out of Saudi.) Just an example - on my way out of Mumbai Saturday, on a major, restricted-access divided highway, we ran into a traffic jam. Turns out it was caused by road works (casually conducted and totally unsigned). So quite a few motorists decided to turn back and drive against the flow, either on the left of the carriageway, on the right, or down the middle. Result - even more chaos and delay (and accident risk). The infrastructure here is great - or was when it was built. The problem is with its maintenance and management (do any Mumbaikars on the list expect all the potholes to be filled in by Aug 30, as the court has ruled?). And I do feel that (while making some allowances) it's legitimate for those with international experience to point this out, as well as trying to point out that there are better solutions to urban mobility than relying on the private car. (Surely after all, the whole point of this list is to share experience from all points of view, neither exclusively "developed" or "developing", "North" or "South", as applied to the "Global South"? Or is it?) Alan. Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai - +91 22 2404 4118 -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ________________________________ From: Debi Goenka [mailto:debi.cat@gmail.com] Sent: Sun 27/08/2006 17:15 To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Cc: sustrandiscusslist; Alan Howes Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive I am rather amused by all this fuss over a light hearted piece written by an annoymous "Dutchman" who may not even exist, and my amusement is increased by the fact that I have now have to consider myself as a native activist from India, land of snakes and tigers! (Has anyone seen the Indian rope trick recently? I also stay on the 5th floor, not too far from the elevator, and would be happy to show this to anyone who cares to drive in). And on a more serious note, as Alan has observed after two weeks in Mumbai, life on the roads is quite different here, and unless people on this list make allowances for this, we will never achieve common ground. (Do get in touch Alan, whilst you are still alive in Mumbai - would love to meet over a pothole :) ) Cheers! Debi Goenka B 502 Glengate Hiran. Gardens, Powai Mumbai 400076 India Mobile - +919820086404 ----- Original Message ----- From: robert cowherd To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport eric.britton@ecoplan.org, Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [sustran] Re: Driving in Bangalore / India - patronizing, offensive,heavy handed and counter-productive I was too perplexed and annoyed (I deleted the message at the "idiot" pedestrians comment in the fifth paragraph) to be so offended. Though cleverly written, this is the set of impressions I would expect someone to have after two weeks not two years. The disparaging attitude towards "chaos" doesn't give me much hope for selling shared space concepts a la Moderman. Robert Cowherd Associate Professor, Wentworth Institute of Technology Boston, USA On 8/25/06 7:51 AM, "Eric Britton" wrote: > No, not "excellent" at all. Sorry but I do not think this is very funny. It > does > no good and illuminates nothing useful > > > > To the contrary I find it patronizing, offensive, heavy handed and > counter-productive. (After all we are here for a reason, aren't we? Or is it > all > about guffawing at the feckless 'natives' for their primitive ways? Someone > help > me here.) . > > > > I do not think that this alpha, rather puerile and distinctly uncultured piece > belongs here. I see it as a dinner piece for a group of hearty guffawing > colonials after their fifth beer. > > (I guess that some of you are not going to invite me to your next white man's > party, eh?) > > > > Eric Britton (And here I am pleased to give anyone who does not like what I > say > here my full contact information so that you can mail, call or come here and > look me in the eye and tell me what you think of me and my views. I live on > the > fifth floor, door to the right of the elevator. > > > > With all good wishes > > > > Eric Britton > > > > New Mobility Advisory/Briefs. Don't know about them yet? > > Maybe you should have a look at http://newmobilitybriefs.org > > > > The New Mobility Agenda: on line at http://www.newmobility.org > > Le Frene, 8/10 rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris, France > > Tel: +331 4326 1323 +338 7044 0343 Skype: newmobility > > E: contact@newmobility.org > Backup: fekbritton@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Technology. Economy. Society. > > > > > > Francis Eric Knight Britton > Innovation consultancy/advisory > > The Commons > EcoPlan Association 1901 > 8/10, rue Joseph Bara > 75006 Paris, France > > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > fekbritton@gmail.com > > > tel: > tel2: > mobile: > Skype ID: > > +338 7044 0343 > +331 4326 1323 > +336 7321 5868 > ericbritton > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups > version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real > sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). > Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable > and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global > South'). -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/bb64d349/attachment.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Mon Aug 28 15:32:56 2006 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 07:32:56 +0100 Subject: [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! References: <003501c6c9f3$f7fa9bf0$0201a8c0@DEBI> Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/289676a8/attachment.html From kennaughkb at yahoo.com.au Mon Aug 28 16:03:45 2006 From: kennaughkb at yahoo.com.au (Kirk Bendall) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:03:45 +1000 (EST) Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060828070345.9894.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Alan, there maybe some useful papers from Murdoch : http://www.sustainability.murdoch.edu.au/casestudies/Case_Studies_Asia/index.htm http://www.patrec.org/atrf/index.php?forum=0&session=0&surname=hooper&searchSurname=Yes&title=&searchTitle= regards, Kirk Alan Howes wrote: I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ............................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Dating: Get busy with your 7-day free pass! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/8d197c99/attachment.html From COLSZE at ntu.edu.sg Mon Aug 28 16:41:43 2006 From: COLSZE at ntu.edu.sg (Piotr Olszewski (Assoc Prof)) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:41:43 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! Message-ID: <6FC6EA2A3B8E454FB4DBE1D08C1388F3041E3052@EXCHANGE21.staff.main.ntu.edu.sg> Hello Alan, You may find the following sources useful in your predicament: Modal split data (but watch out for inconsistencies!): http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/articles-60210_asiamodalsplit.xl s Global urban indicators (but not much on transport): http://hq.unhabitat.org/programmes/guo/guo_indicators.asp Air quality benchmarking (including Mumbai): http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/sei/rapidc2/benchmarking.html Lots of data for selected cities: http://www.adb.org/Documents/Books/Cities_Data_Book/default.asp Good luck, Piotr ------------------------------------------------------------------- Piotr Olszewski colsze@ntu.edu.sg Nanyang Technological University, Singapore ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+colsze=ntu.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+colsze=ntu.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Alan Howes Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:33 PM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; UTSG@JISCMAIL.ac.uk Cc: sustrandiscusslist Subject: [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ........................................................................ ........................................................................ ............................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/5f0ba334/attachment.html From aables at adb.org Mon Aug 28 17:05:23 2006 From: aables at adb.org (aables at adb.org) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:05:23 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: Dear Alan, You could get some transport stats overview and climate-change related info from the proceedings and the main documents of the recent May 2006 regional workshops "Climate Change Mitigation in the Transport Sector": http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70656.html and "Developing Fuel Quality Road Maps in Asia" http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70655.html. --- in the CC paper, the appendixes has some tables on car ownership and some modal split data as well as emissions data - Sustainable Urban Transport in Asia - Learning from Europe? - proceedings from the November 2005 workshop by CAI-Asia and UITP at the ASEF conference http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-70093.html - Four Institutional Governance Challenges for Public Transportation in Metro Manila by Cornie Huizenga, Aurora Ables, Herbert Fabian Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-59919.html) - Country reports and forum proceedings from UNCRD's EST web site (http://www.uncrd.or.jp/env/est/) - Issues and Realities of BRT Planning Initiatives in Developing Asian Cities by Moazzem Hossain (http://www.nctr.usf.edu/jpt/pdf/JPT%209-3S%20Hossain.pdf) - Several presentations and papers on BRT and public transport on CAI-Asia's BRT page: http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/propertyvalue-21677.html - Partnership for sustainable urban transport in Asia (PSUTA) documents, city reports and related documents: http://www.cleanairnet.org/psuta Hope this helps. Au Aurora Fe Ables Transport Researcher Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-4444 ext. 70820 Fax (632) 636-2198 Email aables@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia www.adb.org "Alan Howes" Sent by: sustran-discuss-bounces+aables=adb.org@list.jca.apc.org 08/28/2006 02:32 PM Please respond to Global 'South' Sustainable Transport To "Global 'South' Sustainable Transport" , cc sustrandiscusslist Subject [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ............................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/5a58a872/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1763 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/5a58a872/attachment.gif From tsillaparcharn at hotmail.com Mon Aug 28 18:57:21 2006 From: tsillaparcharn at hotmail.com (P.Sillaparcharn) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:57:21 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! References: <003501c6c9f3$f7fa9bf0$0201a8c0@DEBI> <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: Dear Alan, The following reference might be useful. Dargay, J. and Gately, D., 1999. Income's Effect on Car and Vehicle Ownership, Worldwide: 1960-2015. Transportation Research. Part A, Vol 33 No 2: pp 101-138. They made projections of the growth in the car and total vehicle stock to the year 2015, for OECD countries and a number of developing economies, including China, India and Pakistan. Another reference is: International Road Federation, 2001. World Road Statistics 2001, IRF Geneva. In this reference, you may find records of vehicle stocks, population, etc. for over hundreds of countries. I hope this help. Regards, P.Sillparcharn ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Howes To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport ; UTSG@JISCMAIL.ac.uk Cc: sustrandiscusslist Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ............................................................................................................................................................................................ DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/5552f748/attachment.html From sutp at sutp.org Mon Aug 28 22:50:33 2006 From: sutp at sutp.org (sutp) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:50:33 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <200608281354.k7SDsJpr015088@omr2.networksolutionsemail.com> Dear Alan, This might be a good source with some interesting figures (checking a trend of various cities from 1960-1990) in a recent paper: Fujiwara A. and J. Zhang (1995), Evaluating Sustainability of Urban Development in Developing Countries incorporating Dynamic Cause-Effect Relationships over Time, Journal of the Eastern Asia Society for Transportation Studies, Vol. 6, pp. 4349-4364. www.easts.info/on-line/journal_06/4349.pdf Good luck to you. Best Regards, Thirayoot _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Alan Howes Sent: 28 ??????? 2549 13:33 To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; UTSG@JISCMAIL.ac.uk Cc: sustrandiscusslist Subject: [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .................................... DISCLAIMER ? This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060828/d192133e/attachment.html From SCHIPPER at wri.org Tue Aug 29 01:20:21 2006 From: SCHIPPER at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:20:21 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! Message-ID: Dear All. As a veteran of 30 years of international comparisons, I would be very cautious with national or so called local data, particularly aggregates. Even population is tricky, and more often than not counted under different definitions for different cities in the same data base. Just try to compare Shanghai, Tokyo, Chongching, Mexico City and Sao Paulo from different internationally recognized data bases and see what variations you get. So little of this kind of work starts with a clear set of references, assumptions, rules (like how to measure local income or how to use purchasing power parity to measure income in different countries), and so little of what Alan asks for is actually known by the best local experts and stakeholders, let alone published in an open and scientifically verifiable manner. Most, repeat most studies or data bases do not make assumptions, even the simple matter of the DATE of each datum transparent. The problem with so many of these broad (but not deep) efforts it the data themselves cannot be related to anything that is available locally..neither for updating or expanding. For some of us, using data goes beyond Alan's deadline, rather data are away of allowing stakeholders in different cities to talk to each other, and when they don't recognize their own regions the talks often break down. I don't know the reference cited but from its data I fear that very little of the motorization wave in Asia, whether two or four wheeled, is capture in the experience available for an international comparison published as early as 1995. I wish my scars from all of these difficulties over the years would have healed, but they just have not. Lee Lee Schipper Director of Research EMBARQ, the WRI Center for Sustainable Transport 10 G St. NE Washington DC, 20002 +1202 729 7735 www.embarq.wri.org >>> sutp@sutp.org 8/28/2006 9:50:33 AM >>> Dear Alan, This might be a good source with some interesting figures (checking a trend of various cities from 1960-1990) in a recent paper: Fujiwara A. and J. Zhang (1995), Evaluating Sustainability of Urban Development in Developing Countries incorporating Dynamic Cause-Effect Relationships over Time, Journal of the Eastern Asia Society for Transportation Studies, Vol. 6, pp. 4349-4364. www.easts.info/on-line/journal_06/4349.pdf Good luck to you. Best Regards, Thirayoot _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Alan Howes Sent: 28 ******* 2549 13:33 To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport; UTSG@JISCMAIL.ac.uk Cc: sustrandiscusslist Subject: [sustran] International Comparisons - Help Please! I have just discovered that I have a presentation to make in not much more than 24 hours, to an audience of Mumbai decision-formers. Working title - ""Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others". It's stretching my core specialisation a bit (Public Transport / Buses), and as I am in Mumbai I don't have access to reference sources back in the office (which are pretty UK-oriented anyway). So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - - Cars owned per head - Car USAGE per head - %age urban area devoted to roads - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions - Modal share data Trend data would be useful too. It may well be that a lot of what I am looking for is in the UITP's Millennium Cities Database - but the problem is it is not available on-line, and the summary data I have from it is back at the ranch (and possibly corrupted). I am currently looking at Todd Litman's VTPI page "Why Manage Transportation Demand?" http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm51.htm , which has plenty of appropriate words but not many numbers - it has plenty of links though, some of which may well be useful. And I will also look at SUTP. But if anyone can give me a more precise steer, I would be most grateful. Regards, Alan Howes currently at Dharavi Bus Depot, Mumbai, India alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street, Edinburgh, EH3 6AA Tel: +44 131 226 4693 Mobile: +44 7952 464335 email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ ............................................................................ ............................................................................ .................................... DISCLAIMER This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We do not accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 29 16:45:25 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:45:25 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Motorbike ban - Kigali Message-ID: <010f01c6cb3f$1ff20250$6501a8c0@Home> Motorbike ban long overdue By Oscar Kimanuka It is now official. No more commercial motorcyclists, commonly known as boda boda or "motor," will be allowed in Kigali's city centre. The decision was arrived at after consultations between the City Council, Ministry of Infrastructure, and Local Government and the police. The decision has been welcomed by many Kigali residents, who for some time have viewed the motorcyclists as a nuisance. The cyclists have been blamed for the increasing number of thefts in a city that has a reputation for being one of the safest in the region. It is hoped that the directive from city authorities will be sustainable and not one of those episodic, knee-jerk responses that are soon ignored. One of the major reasons advanced by the Kigali city fathers for the ban was the sharp rise in accidents, thefts, harassment and other related petty crimes. Motorcycles are only allowed in designated areas outside the city. The motor cycle sector in Kigali has provided employment to many young people who have found it easy to operate owing to the reasonably low cost of investment. A secondhand motorcycle, for example, cost $1,000 or less. However, the operator of the motorcycle is not usually the owner. He acquires the motorcycle on a loan and raises the money through daily collections to pay back pay off the debt. The original owner buys another bike, and through this reproductive system, the population of "motors" on Kigali streets has grown phenomenally. Incidentally, this practice is not confined to Kigali. This is common in many African cities, including Kampala, where there are thousands of boda bodas that have become a convenient mode of transport for passengers who are tired of the traffic jams on many of the city roads. These boda bodas, however, have neither regard for traffic rules nor respect for other people. I am not sure of anyone, particularly a car owner who has ever encountered a disciplined or polite motorcyclist. Now what is remaining is the enforcement of this new regulation for the safety of residents of Kigali. To begin with a "motor" regulatory task-force should be established to oversee enforcement of this regulation. Oscar Kimanuka is a commentator on social and economic issues based in Kigali. Email: oscar_kim2000@yahoo.co.uk Source: http://www.nationmedia.com/eastafrican/current/Opinion/Opinion2808064.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060829/edbd402f/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Aug 29 19:11:20 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:11:20 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Keep Driving... Message-ID: <014201c6cb53$7b962780$6501a8c0@Home> Anzir Boodoo On 29 Aug 2006, at 07:02, Jo?o Lacerda wrote: > I am very curious to know some thoughts of our British friends > concerning this issue. (see article below) Jo?o, So, it's OK to use your car as much as you want, because it's now carbon neutral. So there is no environmental reason to stop using your car... Problems: 1. Carbon emission offsets are no longer considered environmentally equivalent to burning less fuel in the first place 2. An average aggregate of CO2 emitted takes no account of whether the car burning the fuel is a Prius or a Hummer 3. Likewise, emissions in urban areas with heavy traffic probably have much higher direct impacts than in open rural areas where they can dissipate quickly. Of course, this is also ignoring the interaction between emissions and atmospheric conditions... the impact of a unit of CO2 emission can vary depending on where it is emitted. 4. This also ignores CO, NOx and SOx. So even if you are carbon neutral, CO is not friendly, and NOx and SOx are still not neutral. 5. If a significant number of people signed up to this, would there be enough space to plant the trees? GBP 20 a year seems far too low to me... I assume saplings (small trees) do not soak up huge amounts of CO2, so it will take many years for the full effect of the "carbon sink" to work... in this period of years, what happens to the CO2 that is in the atmosphere, and is it recoverable by the trees in 10-20 years from now? 6. How does this work in terms of Kyoto? Or is everyone quietly forgetting that now (forgive me for being rude and actually being bothered about the whole thing...) 7. If everybody is happy to drive their cars when and where they want (since it's now "carbon neutral"), will people ignore the effects of traffic (not just pollution, but stress and wasted time)? I think it's an interesting start, but is it starting us in the right direction? After all, I assume BP only has a certain amount of fuel, which is going to run out soon... BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818 UK: August 24, 2006 LONDON - British motorists will be able to neutralise their CO2 emissions by paying an average 20 pounds a year towards offsetting their pollution after oil company BP launched a new Internet scheme on Wednesday. Drivers will be able to calculate their annual CO2 emissions using the www.targetneutral.com Web site and help fund environmental projects like wind farms. An average car, driven 10,000 miles a year, will generate about four tonnes of CO2, about enough to fill a medium-sized hot air balloon. To neutralise this amount of carbon emissions would cost about 20 pounds. "Targetneutral is a practical and straightforward step that BP is taking to enable drivers to help the environment," said BP's UK Director Peter Mather. "BP is taking the lead because our extensive research shows that there is a huge consumer demand for such a scheme, but a general feeling from customers that they 'don't know where to start,'" he added in a statement. Motorists' money from the targetneutral scheme, excluding VAT and payment transaction costs, will be used to buy CO2 emission reductions via the purchase of carbon credits. BP, which has provided the start-up funding and will pay for running costs, will not receive any money. The company will also make a direct contribution to targetneutral when motorists using the scheme buy BP petrol using a Nectar loyalty card. The money generated from targetneutral will be used for a range of environmental projects including alternative and renewable energy -- such as biomass, wind farms and methane capture schemes. Offsetting schemes have become increasingly popular in recent years, but some environmentalists are critical of them, saying reducing emissions should be the top priority. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060829/9a073c30/attachment.html From chuwasg at yahoo.com Tue Aug 29 21:03:35 2006 From: chuwasg at yahoo.com (chuwa) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: Keep Driving... In-Reply-To: <014201c6cb53$7b962780$6501a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <20060829120335.53740.qmail@web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am more than happy to pay 25 pounds or more a year to stop anyone driving around my house. The money should go to improve facilities for non-motorized transport. Eric Britton wrote: Anzir Boodoo On 29 Aug 2006, at 07:02, Jo?o Lacerda wrote: > I am very curious to know some thoughts of our British friends > concerning this issue. (see article below) Jo?o, So, it's OK to use your car as much as you want, because it's now carbon neutral. So there is no environmental reason to stop using your car... Problems: 1. Carbon emission offsets are no longer considered environmentally equivalent to burning less fuel in the first place 2. An average aggregate of CO2 emitted takes no account of whether the car burning the fuel is a Prius or a Hummer 3. Likewise, emissions in urban areas with heavy traffic probably have much higher direct impacts than in open rural areas where they can dissipate quickly. Of course, this is also ignoring the interaction between emissions and atmospheric conditions... the impact of a unit of CO2 emission can vary depending on where it is emitted. 4. This also ignores CO, NOx and SOx. So even if you are carbon neutral, CO is not friendly, and NOx and SOx are still not neutral. 5. If a significant number of people signed up to this, would there be enough space to plant the trees? GBP 20 a year seems far too low to me... I assume saplings (small trees) do not soak up huge amounts of CO2, so it will take many years for the full effect of the "carbon sink" to work... in this period of years, what happens to the CO2 that is in the atmosphere, and is it recoverable by the trees in 10-20 years from now? 6. How does this work in terms of Kyoto? Or is everyone quietly forgetting that now (forgive me for being rude and actually being bothered about the whole thing...) 7. If everybody is happy to drive their cars when and where they want (since it's now "carbon neutral"), will people ignore the effects of traffic (not just pollution, but stress and wasted time)? I think it's an interesting start, but is it starting us in the right direction? After all, I assume BP only has a certain amount of fuel, which is going to run out soon... BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818 UK: August 24, 2006 LONDON - British motorists will be able to neutralise their CO2 emissions by paying an average 20 pounds a year towards offsetting their pollution after oil company BP launched a new Internet scheme on Wednesday. Drivers will be able to calculate their annual CO2 emissions using the www.targetneutral.com Web site and help fund environmental projects like wind farms. An average car, driven 10,000 miles a year, will generate about four tonnes of CO2, about enough to fill a medium-sized hot air balloon. To neutralise this amount of carbon emissions would cost about 20 pounds. "Targetneutral is a practical and straightforward step that BP is taking to enable drivers to help the environment," said BP's UK Director Peter Mather. "BP is taking the lead because our extensive research shows that there is a huge consumer demand for such a scheme, but a general feeling from customers that they 'don't know where to start,'" he added in a statement. Motorists' money from the targetneutral scheme, excluding VAT and payment transaction costs, will be used to buy CO2 emission reductions via the purchase of carbon credits. BP, which has provided the start-up funding and will pay for running costs, will not receive any money. The company will also make a direct contribution to targetneutral when motorists using the scheme buy BP petrol using a Nectar loyalty card. The money generated from targetneutral will be used for a range of environmental projects including alternative and renewable energy -- such as biomass, wind farms and methane capture schemes. Offsetting schemes have become increasingly popular in recent years, but some environmentalists are critical of them, saying reducing emissions should be the top priority. -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060829/0e7336dc/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Wed Aug 30 07:55:56 2006 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:55:56 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving... In-Reply-To: <925D6D41-9E45-4DEE-960A-11C59CD5712A@transcience.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <01fc01c6cbbe$4c6db200$0200a8c0@archibaldo> But, from what I understand, the environment is not the only reason to stop using cars (or to use them less). There?s also accidents, inequity, excessive use of roadspace, etc. Thus, even if a car is zero-emissions, it would still pose problems! Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org _____ De: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com [mailto:LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com] En nombre de Anzir Boodoo Enviado el: Martes, 29 de Agosto de 2006 04:45 a.m. Para: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving... Jo?o, On 29 Aug 2006, at 07:02, Jo?o Lacerda wrote: > I am very curious to know some thoughts of our british friends > concerning this issue. (below) So, it's OK to use your car as much as you want, because it's now carbon neutral. So there is no environmental reason to stop using your car... Problems: 1. Carbon emission offsets are no longer considered environmentally equivalent to burning less fuel in the first place 2. An average aggregate of CO2 emitted takes no account of whether the car burning the fuel is a Prius or a Hummer 3. Likewise, emissions in urban areas with heavy traffic probably have much higher direct impacts than in open rural areas where they can dissipate quickly. Of course, this is also ignoring the interaction between emissions and atmospheric conditions... the impact of a unit of CO2 emission can vary depending on where it is emitted. 4. This also ignores CO, NOx and SOx. So even if you are carbon neutral, CO is not friendly, and NOx and SOx are still not neutral. 5. If a significant number of people signed up to this, would there be enough space to plant the trees? GBP 20 a year seems far too low to me... I assume saplings (small trees) do not soak up huge amounts of CO2, so it will take many years for the full effect of the "carbon sink" to work... in this period of years, what happens to the CO2 that is in the atmosphere, and is it recoverable by the trees in 10-20 years from now? 6. How does this work in terms of Kyoto? Or is everyone quietly forgetting that now (forgive me for being rude and actually being bothered about the whole thing...) 7. If everybody is happy to drive their cars when and where they want (since it's now "carbon neutral"), will people ignore the effects of traffic (not just pollution, but stress and wasted time)? I think it's an interesting start, but is it starting us in the right direction? After all, I assume BP only has a certain amount of fuel, which is going to run out soon... > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > http://www.planetar k.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818 > > > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > > LONDON - British motorists will be able to neutralise their CO2 > emissions by paying an average 20 pounds a year towards offsetting > their pollution after oil company BP launched a new Internet scheme > on Wednesday. > > Drivers will be able to calculate their annual CO2 emissions using > the www.targetneutral.com Web site and help fund environmental > projects like wind farms. > > An average car, driven 10,000 miles a year, will generate about > four tonnes of CO2, about enough to fill a medium-sized hot air > balloon. To neutralise this amount of carbon emissions would cost > about 20 pounds. > > "Targetneutral is a practical and straightforward step that BP is > taking to enable drivers to help the environment," said BP's UK > Director Peter Mather. > > "BP is taking the lead because our extensive research shows that > there is a huge consumer demand for such a scheme, but a general > feeling from customers that they 'don't know where to start,'" he > added in a statement. > > Motorists' money from the targetneutral scheme, excluding VAT and > payment transaction costs, will be used to buy CO2 emission > reductions via the purchase of carbon credits. BP, which has > provided the start-up funding and will pay for running costs, will > not receive any money. > > The company will also make a direct contribution to targetneutral > when motorists using the scheme buy BP petrol using a Nectar > loyalty card. > > The money generated from targetneutral will be used for a range of > environmental projects including alternative and renewable energy > -- such as biomass, wind farms and methane capture schemes. > > Offsetting schemes have become increasingly popular in recent > years, but some environmentalists are critical of them, saying > reducing emissions should be the top priority. > > Story Date: 24/8/2006 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Calendar "LotsLessCars in Cities" at http://lotslesscars.org Organize a Car/Free Day: The nose of the camel. World Car/Free Days at http://worldcarfreeday.com To leave list: LotsLessCars-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com To post messages: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com Also check out New Mobility Agenda at http://newmobility.org Need some help? Send an email to Help@newmobility.org Or call via Skype to "newmobility' Yahoo! Groups You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity * 2 New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS * Ecology * Ecology book * General ecology * Lot * Vacant lots Yahoo! Travel Find Great Deals Flights, Hotels, Cars, Cruises... Yahoo! News Top Stories Get the current top news stories Yahoo! TV Staying in tonight? Check Daily Picks & see what to watch. . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060829/76cbc212/attachment.html From sguttikunda at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 12:54:33 2006 From: sguttikunda at gmail.com (Sarath Guttikunda) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:54:33 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: International Comparisons - Help Please! In-Reply-To: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> References: <003501c6c9f3$f7fa9bf0$0201a8c0@DEBI> <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F00102136F6B@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> Message-ID: <683ba1ca0608292054mb44c262vc3d8a61b4a34d9dd@mail.gmail.com> Dear Alan, You will some of these topics listed in a couple of WB publications.. Little Green Data Book and World Development Indicators. with regards, Sarath Climate Change Team, The World Bank On 8/28/06, Alan Howes wrote: > > > So I am looking for some (on-line) data on international transport > comparisons - preferably urban rather than rural. Things like - > - Cars owned per head > - Car USAGE per head > - %age urban area devoted to roads > - pollution levels / greenhouse gas emissions > - Modal share data > > Trend data would be useful too. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060829/8b680805/attachment.html From sksunny at gmail.com Wed Aug 30 14:03:28 2006 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:03:28 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving... In-Reply-To: <01fc01c6cbbe$4c6db200$0200a8c0@archibaldo> References: <01fc01c6cbbe$4c6db200$0200a8c0@archibaldo> Message-ID: <44F51C20.3010505@gmail.com> Yes I agree with this. Who will bear the social cots? I guess BP would charge 30 GBP per year for building a hospital for the road accident patients. Sunny Carlos F. Pardo SUTP wrote: > > But, from what I understand, the environment is not the only reason to > stop using cars (or to use them less). There's also accidents, > inequity, excessive use of roadspace, etc. Thus, even if a car is > zero-emissions, it would still pose problems! > > Best regards, > > *Carlos F. Pardo* > *Coordinador de Proyecto* > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) > Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 > Bogotá D.C., Colombia > *Tel:* +57 (1) 215 7812 > > *Fax:* +57 (1) 236 2309  > *Mobile*: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > *e-mail: *carlos.pardo@sutp.org > *Página:* www.sutp.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *De:* LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com] *En nombre de *Anzir Boodoo > *Enviado el:* Martes, 29 de Agosto de 2006 04:45 a.m. > *Para:* LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com > *Asunto:* Re: [LotsLessCars] Keep Driving... > > João, > On 29 Aug 2006, at 07:02, João Lacerda wrote: > > I am very curious to know some thoughts of our british friends > > concerning this issue. > (below) > > So, it's OK to use your car as much as you want, because it's now > carbon neutral. So there is no environmental reason to stop using > your car... > > Problems: > > 1. Carbon emission offsets are no longer considered environmentally > equivalent to burning less fuel in the first place > > 2. An average aggregate of CO2 emitted takes no account of whether > the car burning the fuel is a Prius or a Hummer > > 3. Likewise, emissions in urban areas with heavy traffic probably > have much higher direct impacts than in open rural areas where they > can dissipate quickly. Of course, this is also ignoring the > interaction between emissions and atmospheric conditions... the > impact of a unit of CO2 emission can vary depending on where it is > emitted. > > 4. This also ignores CO, NOx and SOx. So even if you are carbon > neutral, CO is not friendly, and NOx and SOx are still not neutral. > > 5. If a significant number of people signed up to this, would there > be enough space to plant the trees? GBP 20 a year seems far too low > to me... I assume saplings (small trees) do not soak up huge amounts > of CO2, so it will take many years for the full effect of the "carbon > sink" to work... in this period of years, what happens to the CO2 > that is in the atmosphere, and is it recoverable by the trees in > 10-20 years from now? > > 6. How does this work in terms of Kyoto? Or is everyone quietly > forgetting that now (forgive me for being rude and actually being > bothered about the whole thing...) > > 7. If everybody is happy to drive their cars when and where they want > (since it's now "carbon neutral"), will people ignore the effects of > traffic (not just pollution, but stress and wasted time)? > > I think it's an interesting start, but is it starting us in the right > direction? After all, I assume BP only has a certain amount of fuel, > which is going to run out soon... > > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=37818 > > > > > > > BP Launches Carbon Neutral Scheme for Drivers > > > > LONDON - British motorists will be able to neutralise their CO2 > > emissions by paying an average 20 pounds a year towards offsetting > > their pollution after oil company BP launched a new Internet scheme > > on Wednesday. > > > > Drivers will be able to calculate their annual CO2 emissions using > > the www.targetneutral.com Web site and help fund environmental > > projects like wind farms. > > > > An average car, driven 10,000 miles a year, will generate about > > four tonnes of CO2, about enough to fill a medium-sized hot air > > balloon. To neutralise this amount of carbon emissions would cost > > about 20 pounds. > > > > "Targetneutral is a practical and straightforward step that BP is > > taking to enable drivers to help the environment," said BP's UK > > Director Peter Mather. > > > > "BP is taking the lead because our extensive research shows that > > there is a huge consumer demand for such a scheme, but a general > > feeling from customers that they 'don't know where to start,'" he > > added in a statement. > > > > Motorists' money from the targetneutral scheme, excluding VAT and > > payment transaction costs, will be used to buy CO2 emission > > reductions via the purchase of carbon credits. BP, which has > > provided the start-up funding and will pay for running costs, will > > not receive any money. > > > > The company will also make a direct contribution to targetneutral > > when motorists using the scheme buy BP petrol using a Nectar > > loyalty card. > > > > The money generated from targetneutral will be used for a range of > > environmental projects including alternative and renewable energy > > -- such as biomass, wind farms and methane capture schemes. > > > > Offsetting schemes have become increasingly popular in recent > > years, but some environmentalists are critical of them, saying > > reducing emissions should be the top priority. > > > > Story Date: 24/8/2006 > > __._,_.___ > > Messages in this topic > (2) > Reply (via web post) > | > Start a new topic > > > Messages > > | Files > > | Photos > > | Links > > | Calendar > > > > "LotsLessCars in Cities" at http://lotslesscars.org > Organize a Car/Free Day: The nose of the camel. > World Car/Free Days at http://worldcarfreeday.com > To leave list: LotsLessCars-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > To post messages: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com > Also check out New Mobility Agenda at http://newmobility.org > Need some help? Send an email to Help@newmobility.org > Or call via Skype to "newmobility' > > Yahoo! Groups > > You are receiving Individual Emails Change Delivery Settings > > Visit Your Group > | > Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | > Unsubscribe > > > Recent Activity > > · 2 > > New Members > > > Visit Your Group > > > SPONSORED LINKS > > * Ecology > > * Ecology book > > * General ecology > > * Lot > > * Vacant lots > > > Yahoo! Travel > > Find Great Deals > > > Flights, Hotels, > > Cars, Cruises... > > Yahoo! News > > Top Stories > > > Get the current > > top news stories > > Yahoo! TV > > Staying in tonight? > > > Check Daily Picks & > > see what to watch. > > . > > > __,_._,___ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060830/81d6a3f2/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Aug 30 19:35:09 2006 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:35:09 +0200 Subject: [sustran] In the long run we all are . .. Message-ID: <00d401c6cc1f$fab50e60$6501a8c0@Home> Our friend and colleague Robert Stussi from Portugal kindly sent me the attached work program which describes the focus of one of the three technical sessions being organized as part of the forthcoming conference in November of this year of the Mo.Ve Forum which was created in 2002 to enhance sustainable mobility. The founding organisations are: ACI, RACC, RACE, Oeamtc and Methodos. The association is open to Automobile Clubs of Europe and to other public or private organisations with the specific interest in sustainable mobility. You can find full details on their meeting and the forum on their website at http://www.move-forum.net/. It looks like quite an interesting collection of papers, but I do notice the strong stress on the hopes for technological change as the way out of our present situation of gross un-sustainability (new energy sources, cleaner vehicles and fuels) and in parallel with this a preponderance of emphasis on longer term considerations - which set them distinctly apart from our chosen focus of the New Mobility Advisory/Briefs which as you know are about to be launched on Friday (http://newmobilitybriefs.org ). As I studied the program, I thought it might be useful to add the following to the Briefs site, which I have now done - and concerning which I would be very eager to have your comments and critical remarks. I think it is important to be balanced and fair - and that is precisely what I an trying to be here. I look forward to your remarks and will be pleased to try to integrate them into the more definitive version of the following working draft as posted this morning. Eric Britton In the long run we all are . .. Well, dead! But this is not the reason why within the New Mobility Agenda and this program in particular we are not giving what some may regard as "due attention" to long run considerations and strategies in our clearly benighted sector. Here in a few quick bullets is why we have decided to concentrate our efforts over the next several years within the Advisory/Briefs program one hundred percent on the very short term: 1. There are plenty of groups and programs around the world busy focusing on long term considerations, which if course is absolutely critical if we are to be responsible. (Click here for a good sample.) Typical planning and action horizons string out to 2020, 2030, 2050 and beyond, enriched by projections, forecasts, predictions, scenarios, re-forecasts, backcasts, Delphi exercises and other tools of the long term planning industry. In many cases these programs have very significant financial and institutional support. And this is all well and good. But if we were asked to give our evaluation of these efforts on the basis of what we have seen thus far and in the face of the overall priorities as we understand them, we would judge them as "necessary but insufficient". 2. Within the New Mobility Agenda by contrast we are struck with a sense of emergency and a need for immediate action in a way which is closer to that of deciding what needs to be done in the face of a natural disaster or war zone. Thus, we say that this is a situation of High Emergency!! (What do you say?) 3. High emergency? Either it is or it isn't -- and if you click to the Challenge section here you will see our reasons for the position we take on this. And what do you do in a situation of high emergency? You look hard, you mobilize, you act, and you never stop looking hard as things continue to develop and evolve day after day on the battlefield. 4. And behind this all, we need to bear in mind that every day we put off specific near term strategic action and start to generate the pattern changes that are called for in our cities (and on our planet for that matter), there are (a) people, groups and interests that continue to damaged and handicapped by the gross dysfunctionality of our transportation arrangements. And in parallel with these, there are (b) groups and interests who each day are doing very nicely indeed out of the present inertial arrangements and are in fact profiting from keeping things much as they are. ( I'll leave it to you to figure out who they are, and if you happen to know any of them personally tell them that they have a chance to make a difference for their cities, their families, and yes for themselves by getting behind programs for meaningful short term changes that can show visible results in two or three years. Nothing will ever look the same once we have set off on that path. Which brings us to our last point.) 5. Changing a transportation system, even some parts of it, changing a city, making a difference in people's daily lives is not only a cerebral but also a muscular activity. It is not something that you can achieve solely by sitting in front of a computer screen or meeting with people much like yourself. And since it requires a level of intensity of effort and involvement which is far difference from our former ways, it seems reasonable to expect that we will emerge from this first round of intense activity changes with rather different views of what it is that needs to be done and what indeed we can do about it. We will, like the walker or cyclist, be whipping ourselves into collective shape to do something about all this in time to make a difference. 6. And finally, by taking action we will for sure alter once and for all our perceptions of the entire problematique. This is important and needs to be made clear. We are today looking at the issues and trade-offs from a position of (a) gross systemic dysfunctionality and (b) long held habit of inertia which lock us into (c) 'old mobility' thinking . To be unkind but accurate we are today losers and thus take a certain passivity and loser attitude to the challenges before us. But once you and your city begin to make real progress, once the people there start to see that they can change and make a difference, a whole new world of attitudes and priorities will certainly emerge. Thus, if we move on this now, when it comes time in 2010 to think again about the longer term and what we can and should do about it, things are going to look very different indeed. And that Sir, as our 'man in the street' says in the short clip, An Unexpected Interview in Groningen: "We are the inventors of a new world, my Friend. Statistically you can prove it". ;-) Conclusion: * 50% of all funding in the sector in and around cities between 2007 and 2010 should focus on short term changes Your views on this recommendation? * Click here to send to your comments to the New Mobility Idea Factory. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060830/25722b9d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: THE MOBILE CITY_Session 3_VISIONS_REFERENCE LIST_RStussi_V1.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 38970 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20060830/25722b9d/THEMOBILECITY_Session3_VISIONS_REFERENCELIST_RStussi_V1.pdf