From cpardo at cable.net.co Thu Jun 2 09:17:21 2005 From: cpardo at cable.net.co (Carlos F. Pardo) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:17:21 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Second version of BRT Module Message-ID: <0IHE00GR3T18KD90@epicac.cable.net.co> Dear all, As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook module developed for the GTZ SUTP project (www.sutp.org ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a broader revision of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT project in cities around the world. Please log in the download section of our web site to read this document (http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php ). Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web site at sutp@sutp.org Thank you, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050602/4dfd7ecd/attachment.html From nagelschmitt at junetz.de Thu Jun 2 16:34:16 2005 From: nagelschmitt at junetz.de (Stefan Nagelschmitt) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:34:16 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module In-Reply-To: <0IHE00GR3T18KD90@epicac.cable.net.co> References: <0IHE00GR3T18KD90@epicac.cable.net.co> Message-ID: <429EB678.6000209@junetz.de> Dear Carlos! Great news! Do you think about the email adresses from the download-DB? You should be able to create a list of people in the field of Mass transit easily and write them a bulk mail... Sorry for the reminder, if you have already done that... Best Stefan Carlos F. Pardo wrote: > Dear all, > > > > As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook > module developed for the GTZ SUTP project (www.sutp.org > ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a broader revision > of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT project in cities > around the world. Please log in the download section of our web site to > read this document (http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php ). > > > > Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web > site at sutp@sutp.org > > > > Thank you, > > > > *Carlos F. Pardo* From sujit at vsnl.com Thu Jun 2 17:21:40 2005 From: sujit at vsnl.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 13:51:40 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module In-Reply-To: <0IHE00GR3T18KD90@epicac.cable.net.co> References: <0IHE00GR3T18KD90@epicac.cable.net.co> Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050602133921.07d42ae0@mail.vsnl.com> 2 June 2005 Dear Carlos, You site has some wonderful material and I've found it most useful in our advocacy work for sustainable transport but it is my experience that many files don't open. Alos there are some bugs that need to be put right. This latest module by Lloyd Wright didn't open. I got the message from Acobe Acrobat Version 5 (as well as 6) "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired". My browser is Mozilla V 1.7. I also find that on clicking the link in your Email gets me into a loop as soon as I log in. I got out of this by pressing another link while the loop was playing itself out..but most people will just give up. The last time I mentioned this problem you said that all the bugs were removed and you were able to download without any problem. It still does not work for me. I am therefore marking this reply to the whole list because GTZ modules are very good and a lot of effort has gone into their writing and production. So it would be a pity if many of us can't open some of the documents. Do look into this and let me know if I'm making an error in downloading. With warm regards, -- Sujit At 05:47 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: >Dear all, > >As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook >module developed for the GTZ SUTP project >(www.sutp.org ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a >broader revision of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT >project in cities around the world. Please log in the download section of >our web site to read this document >(http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php >). > >Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web >site at sutp@sutp.org > >Thank you, > >Carlos F. Pardo >Project Coordinator >GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) >Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP >ESCAP UN Building >Rajadamnern Nok Rd. >Bangkok 10200, Thailand >Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 >Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 >Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 >e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org >Website: www.sutp.org > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus >is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan PARISAR "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411007 Telephone: +91 20 255 37955 Email: , ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sustainable Urban Transport --------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan Member PTTF Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum, c/o Parisar, "Yamuna", ICS Colony,Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 Email: , ----------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050602/5b0be699/attachment.html From Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk Thu Jun 2 18:18:39 2005 From: Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:18:39 +0100 Subject: [sustran] FW: Re: Second version of BRT Module Message-ID: <324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001CA8368@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk> I'm not quite sure if I am looking at the right site. But I did log in OK at http://www.sutp.org/download/index.php, registered, and went to the BRT training segment Then I tried to download "Bus Rapid Transit Planning Guide" - is this the Lloyd Wright doc? And I had the same prob as Sujit. Last time I looked at this BRT material - a few months ago? - I had no problem. And our IT here is fairly robust. So I would be glad if someone could have a look at it. Alan -- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 240 2892 (direct) (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ _______________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of Colin Buchanan, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject to our terms and conditions of business. We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage caused by software viruses. _______________________________ ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc. org] On Behalf Of Sujit Patwardhan Sent: 02 June 2005 09:22 To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module 2 June 2005 Dear Carlos, You site has some wonderful material and I've found it most useful in our advocacy work for sustainable transport but it is my experience that many files don't open. Alos there are some bugs that need to be put right. This latest module by Lloyd Wright didn't open. I got the message from Acobe Acrobat Version 5 (as well as 6) "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired". My browser is Mozilla V 1.7. I also find that on clicking the link in your Email gets me into a loop as soon as I log in. I got out of this by pressing another link while the loop was playing itself out..but most people will just give up. The last time I mentioned this problem you said that all the bugs were removed and you were able to download without any problem. It still does not work for me. I am therefore marking this reply to the whole list because GTZ modules are very good and a lot of effort has gone into their writing and production. So it would be a pity if many of us can't open some of the documents. Do look into this and let me know if I'm making an error in downloading. With warm regards, -- Sujit At 05:47 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: Dear all, As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook module developed for the GTZ SUTP project (www.sutp.org ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a broader revision of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT project in cities around the world. Please log in the download section of our web site to read this document ( http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php ). Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web site at sutp@sutp.org Thank you, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Sujit Patwardhan PARISAR "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411007 Telephone: +91 20 255 37955 Email: , ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- Sustainable Urban Transport --------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan Member PTTF Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum, c/o Parisar, "Yamuna", ICS Colony,Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 Email: , ----------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050602/ce38770d/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Sujit Patwardhan Sent: 02 June, 2005 3:22 PM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module 2 June 2005 Dear Carlos, You site has some wonderful material and I've found it most useful in our advocacy work for sustainable transport but it is my experience that many files don't open. Alos there are some bugs that need to be put right. This latest module by Lloyd Wright didn't open. I got the message from Acobe Acrobat Version 5 (as well as 6) "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired". My browser is Mozilla V 1.7. I also find that on clicking the link in your Email gets me into a loop as soon as I log in. I got out of this by pressing another link while the loop was playing itself out..but most people will just give up. The last time I mentioned this problem you said that all the bugs were removed and you were able to download without any problem. It still does not work for me. I am therefore marking this reply to the whole list because GTZ modules are very good and a lot of effort has gone into their writing and production. So it would be a pity if many of us can't open some of the documents. Do look into this and let me know if I'm making an error in downloading. With warm regards, -- Sujit At 05:47 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: Dear all, As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook module developed for the GTZ SUTP project (www.sutp.org ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a broader revision of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT project in cities around the world. Please log in the download section of our web site to read this document (http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php ). Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web site at sutp@sutp.org Thank you, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Sujit Patwardhan PARISAR "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411007 Telephone: +91 20 255 37955 Email: , ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Sustainable Urban Transport --------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan Member PTTF Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum, c/o Parisar, "Yamuna", ICS Colony,Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 Email: , ----------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050602/620730db/attachment.html From chuizenga at adb.org Thu Jun 2 23:02:19 2005 From: chuizenga at adb.org (chuizenga@adb.org) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 22:02:19 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Cornelius Huizenga/Consultants/ADB is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 31/05/2005 and will not return until 10/06/2005. Please contact Glynda Bathan (gbathan@adb.org) or Aga Diaz (adiaz@adb.org) for general issues related to CAI-Asia From suprayitno_hita at yahoo.com Fri Jun 3 12:24:48 2005 From: suprayitno_hita at yahoo.com (hitapriya suprayitno) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module In-Reply-To: <0IHF00A9YK26IR30@epicac.cable.net.co> Message-ID: <20050603032448.1494.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Mr. Carlos F Prado, I am Hitapriya Suprayitno, a lecturer in ITS - Surabaya - Inonesia. I am pretty much interested on your BRT and comparasion of different MRT technologies. Actually, I am conducting a study to develop a Master Plan of MRT in Surabaya. Therefore, I need really your source documents. Mr. Carlos F. Prado, it seem to me that this problem is not specific only for Indian and Australian cases. I tried to download the same thing and also several the SUTP source books and get the same problem. Thank you very much, that you've already tried to fix the problem. "Carlos F. Pardo" wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Dear Sujit and all, We are aware of these problems, and we have seen them especially in the case of Indian and Australian users. To solve the problem, we are right now in the process of changing hosting servers, and we hope to have this solved within this week. Thank you for your concern, and please excuse us for the time delay in solving these issues. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org --------------------------------- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sutp=sutp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Sujit Patwardhan Sent: 02 June, 2005 3:22 PM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Second version of BRT Module 2 June 2005 Dear Carlos, You site has some wonderful material and I've found it most useful in our advocacy work for sustainable transport but it is my experience that many files don't open. Alos there are some bugs that need to be put right. This latest module by Lloyd Wright didn't open. I got the message from Acobe Acrobat Version 5 (as well as 6) "There was an error opening this document. The file is damaged and could not be repaired". My browser is Mozilla V 1.7. I also find that on clicking the link in your Email gets me into a loop as soon as I log in. I got out of this by pressing another link while the loop was playing itself out..but most people will just give up. The last time I mentioned this problem you said that all the bugs were removed and you were able to download without any problem. It still does not work for me. I am therefore marking this reply to the whole list because GTZ modules are very good and a lot of effort has gone into their writing and production. So it would be a pity if many of us can't open some of the documents. Do look into this and let me know if I'm making an error in downloading. With warm regards, -- Sujit At 05:47 AM 6/2/2005, you wrote: Dear all, As of today, you may download the second version of the BRT sourcebook module developed for the GTZ SUTP project (www.sutp.org ) by Lloyd Wright. It contains a broader revision of the topic and an update of current trends and BRT project in cities around the world. Please log in the download section of our web site to read this document (http://www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php ). Also, we welcome any suggestions regarding the SUTP project and its web site at sutp@sutp.org Thank you, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan PARISAR "Yamuna", ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411007 Telephone: +91 20 255 37955 Email: , ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sustainable Urban Transport --------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan Member PTTF Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum, c/o Parisar, "Yamuna", ICS Colony,Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007 Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 Email: , ----------------------------------------------------- ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050602/070df3db/attachment-0001.html From ajain at kcrc.com Fri Jun 3 19:56:07 2005 From: ajain at kcrc.com (Jain Alok) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 18:56:07 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Sustainable transport - "Self-containment" Message-ID: <07B178BAA415FB4A9C9B4AA845F1F2C60DD5E762@smail1pa.corp.kcrc.com> Dear Alan, Hong Kong tried this concept over last 30 years. In 1970s, "New Towns" were developed in the outskirts with an aim of making them self-contained. The land-use and transport systems were also devised with the same aim. Over the time, however, this did not seem to work. Because travelling between these self-contained "New Towns" was not prohibitive, a desire for better opportunities (I guess) while not uprooting their families could be fulfilled. The "Inter-New Town" travel kept increasing and to keep pace with the demand, Government had continued to provide the infrastructure thereby further improving the accessibility. As this cycle continued, the self-containment was not possible. I must mention that the although "New Towns" are not self-contained they have evolved into full communties where a large amount of activities (shopping, schooling, recreation etc) are self-contained. Alok Jain -----Original Message----- From: Alan P Howes [mailto:alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:09 AM To: UTSG@JISCMAIL.AC.UK; sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Sustainable transport - "Self-containment" (Please feel free to post on to any more appropriate lists) We are currently doing some work in the Arabian Gulf, connected with a new transport hub and city development - planned population c. 1m. The aim is that the city, and its main neighbourhoods, would be "self-contained" as far as possible - i.e. minimising travel between the neighbourhoods, and between the city and adjacent cities, so reducing loading on the strategic road network (various plans for PT too). Which raises a few questions, for instance - - How do you measure "self-containment"? Presumably a measure would need to include trip lengths and, I think, a measure of urban development density. (For low-density cities, you could have fairly long trip lengths and still consider there to be a high degree of self-containment. But high densities are obviously preferable to minimise traffic generation.) - Are there any good case studies of self-contained cities / neighbourhoods - particularly in places like the Gulf? - or examples where it has been tried, and failed? And no doubt I will think of some more - but any input welcome. Alan -- ** Sent from my home email - please reply to alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk ** with copy to alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan and Partners 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 240 2892 (direct) (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ _______________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. 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Over the time, however, this did not seem to work. Because travelling between these self-contained "New Towns" was not prohibitive, a desire for better opportunities (I guess) while not uprooting their families could be fulfilled. The "Inter-New Town" travel kept increasing and to keep pace with the demand, Government had continued to provide the infrastructure thereby further improving the accessibility. As this cycle continued, the self-containment was not possible. I must mention that the although "New Towns" are not self-contained they have evolved into full communties where a large amount of activities (shopping, schooling, recreation etc) are self-contained. Alok Jain -----Original Message----- From: Alan P Howes [mailto:alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 3:09 AM To: UTSG@JISCMAIL.AC.UK; sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Sustainable transport - "Self-containment" (Please feel free to post on to any more appropriate lists) We are currently doing some work in the Arabian Gulf, connected with a new transport hub and city development - planned population c. 1m. The aim is that the city, and its main neighbourhoods, would be "self-contained" as far as possible - i.e. minimising travel between the neighbourhoods, and between the city and adjacent cities, so reducing loading on the strategic road network (various plans for PT too). Which raises a few questions, for instance - - How do you measure "self-containment"? Presumably a measure would need to include trip lengths and, I think, a measure of urban development density. (For low-density cities, you could have fairly long trip lengths and still consider there to be a high degree of self-containment. But high densities are obviously preferable to minimise traffic generation.) - Are there any good case studies of self-contained cities / neighbourhoods - particularly in places like the Gulf? - or examples where it has been tried, and failed? And no doubt I will think of some more - but any input welcome. Alan -- ** Sent from my home email - please reply to alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk ** with copy to alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan and Partners 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh EH3 6AA Scotland email: alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk tel: (0)131 240 2892 (direct) (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard) (0)7952 464335 (mobile) fax: (0)131 220 0232 www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ _______________________________ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender by replying to this email. 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So here you have it. Bon apetit.] Subject: Skype - Free (and almost free) internet telephony: Dear Friends, I would like to take advantage of this slight weekend lull in the action here to close out our ICT week here with a few words on some a few available and mainly free technologies that I think you might want to know more about for your international networking - and conceivably too for specific user applications in the field (which of course is our real bottom line). The first introduction in this small series involves a technology which you certainly have heard about, but which you may not yet have adapted for your own work - Skype. What is it? Skype is a world wide IP communications service offering free or almost free telephone calls anywhere in the world. Since it is easy to install and enormously cost-effective, we have found that even our most technology-wary colleagues are able to get the swing of this and more over to it comfortable without having to undergo some kind of gut-wrenching mid-life culture change. We started using Skype last summer, first on a limited trial basis, and now to the point that it is our main portal for international calls, including to and from friends with dial-up connections in areas without broadband services. It is our goal to move all of our international colleagues over to this handy means of communicating (or some similar, see later in this series for a few more options), since we are convinced that those who are working to push the frontiers in these important areas need to have easier and cheaper access to each other. But does it work in places that do not have high speed access: The short answer is yes, but let's have a closer look. The minimum internet requirements to use Skype are a dial-up connection with at least a 33.6Kbps modem. However, to get the best results it is suggested that you have a broadband internet connection (cable, DSL, etc). What does that mean for you if you are on dial-up. What I suggest is that you give it a try. In fact I invite you to call me to test your connection, my Skype "number" being "ericbritton". You'll see how it works.) Call quality: With some variations due to line loads etc. in general we find Skype to Skype calls better than the "regular" phone connection. Chat Function: This is handy both in itself -- Skype can handle up to 48 people in a chat session (which is an lot more than I can) - and as an auxiliary tool. It allows us to write out things that are best handled in writing even as we talk, such as URLs, addresses, what have you. File transfers: This we find especially handy for very large files. It also permits us to swap files with colleagues even as we talk. Very fast and no problems of servers rejecting large files. Conference calls: We find this particularly useful and I am sure you will too once you get the hang of it. It is now possible for up to 5 people to conference call with Skype. If you have not already done this in old telephony, it will be handy for you to learn from our not always painless experience. First, it's best to have one of you work as moderator of the discussions. Second, it helps if you set a point by point agenda for the discussions. (And third, if for some reason you lose one of the callers, be patient and take a moment to bring them back in to the discussions. That almost always works.) Non-Skype calls: Yes, this works well too and we use it many times each day. In fact, it is rare that we ever make an international call through the suddenly very old fixed line phone. Their system is called "SkypeOut" and it offers savings in the area of 70% over our usual rates. Thus for a call from wherever you happen to be to anywhere in Europe, North America or Australia/New Zealand you will pay about two cents a minute. If you go to http://www.skype.com/products/skypeout/rates/all_rates.html?currency=EUR you can check out the rates for anywhere in the world. Windows only? No, it works with Mac, and Linux as well. Firewalls/Security: Skype does a good job with both. Etiquette: It's a good practice before actually starting a call to send a quick chat message to your colleagues to ask if she is free or if she prefers to suggest a later time. (That said there are a variety of ways you can use to keep out unwanted calls, as you will see.) To get on line: Remember: (a) it's free. And (b) it works. So to get full background information on Skype, as well as step by step guidelines for the very easy download and install routine - click http://www.skype.com . The whole thing should take you ten minutes. And once again, if you wish to test your system, just pop the name "ericbritton" into the address box and you will be directly in touch with us here. Quality: very high. Cost: zero. Will you actually try it? Good question. We are all essentially inertial creatures and it usually takes quite a bit to stir us to break our old habits. But since that is what this fine GATNET program is all about, one can only hope . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050604/c50dee31/attachment.html From cpardo at cable.net.co Wed Jun 8 09:29:46 2005 From: cpardo at cable.net.co (Carlos F. Pardo) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 07:29:46 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Segway is environmental or sustainable? Message-ID: <0IHP00AWSXLX3A20@nexus.cable.net.co> I just found this article in an environmental magazine and I was shocked. It says that Segways are one of the most environmentally friendly modes of transportation, and it even states the following: "There are a lot of statistics that show that if people are forced to walk more than a fourth of a mile to connect to transit, then they will just get in their cars," says Carla Vallone, communications manager for Segway LLC. "The Segway HT is another option for people who may not want to ride their bikes." I think segways are one of the worst ideas that have ever been developed in the past few years. They encourage lazy people to become lazier by giving them an expensive apparatus that will only make them occupy more space on sidewalks and stop using their bodies as a main source of mobility. It's just sad to see these opinions walk through into the "environmental discourse without being noticed. Maybe in a few more years many people will be promoting the use of segways instead of bicycles or walking! The entire article is available in the following address: http://www.emagazine.com/view/?2488 Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050608/b6d8323f/attachment.html From ericbruun at earthlink.net Wed Jun 8 11:26:34 2005 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:26:34 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [sustran] Re: Segway is environmental or sustainable? Message-ID: <7987281.1118197594423.JavaMail.root@wamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050607/1f7f281d/attachment.html From litman at vtpi.org Thu Jun 9 01:23:12 2005 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Alexander Litman) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:23:12 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Segway is environmental or sustainable? In-Reply-To: <0IHP00AWSXLX3A20@nexus.cable.net.co> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050608091357.025ea598@mail.islandhosting.com> There has been considerable debate about the appropriate role of Segways in a sustainable transportation system. The concern is not just that some people will shift from walking or cycling to motorized travel, but that Segways will create conflicts on sidewalks and paths, reducing total walking and cycling. However, Segways are just one of many Personal Mobility Devices (PMD), which also include skates and skateboards, scooters, handcarts and bicycles (and let's not forget joggers, pedestrians with dogs on leash, and equestrians). I prefer to generalize this issue, and develop guidelines and best practices for managing nonmotorized facilities to minimize conflicts between various types of users. This means determining where and when various PMDs should be allowed or prohibited on sidewalks and paths, and establishing rules that they must follow, including maximum speed and their requirements for yielding to other facility users. For discussion of this issue see "Managing Personal Mobility Devices On Nonmotorized Facilities" (http://www.vtpi.org/man_nmt_fac.pdf). Please let me know if you have comments about this paper. Best wishes, -Todd Litman At 07:29 AM 6/8/2005 +0700, Carlos F. Pardo wrote: >I just found this article in an environmental magazine and I was shocked. >It says that Segways are one of the most environmentally friendly modes of >transportation, and it even states the following: > > There are a lot of statistics that show that if people are forced to > walk more than a fourth of a mile to connect to transit, then they will > just get in their cars, says Carla Vallone, communications manager for > Segway LLC. The Segway HT is another option for people who may not want > to ride their bikes. > >I think segways are one of the worst ideas that have ever been developed >in the past few years. They encourage lazy people to become lazier by >giving them an expensive apparatus that will only make them occupy more >space on sidewalks and stop using their bodies as a main source of >mobility. It s just sad to see these opinions walk through into the >environmental discourse without being noticed. Maybe in a few more years >many people will be promoting the use of segways instead of bicycles or >walking! > >The entire article is available in the following address: >http://www.emagazine.com/view/?2488 Sincerely, Todd Litman, Director Victoria Transport Policy Institute "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity" 1250 Rudlin Street Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, Canada Phone & Fax: 250-360-1560 Email: litman@vtpi.org Website: http://www.vtpi.org From ibike at ibike.org Fri Jun 10 00:59:52 2005 From: ibike at ibike.org (Ibike/International Bicycle Fund) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:59:52 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Segway is environmental or sustainable? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20050608091357.025ea598@mail.islandhosting.com> Message-ID: <000c01c56d0c$4c1e0c80$0400a8c0@ci.seattle.wa.us> In the same vain we did a brochure on "shared responsibility" back in the 1980's (see www.ibike.org/education/trail-sharing.htm). It is amazing how much flack we got for not be explicit that "bicyclist must do this" and "pedestrian must do that", etc. While I am not an advocate of Segways, as a general rule, I think we should embraces transportation _choice_, to the extent possible have all users of a given facility using the same set of rules, and only exclude a mode for specific cause. It is our challenge to create an environment where people want to choose bikes or walking. Kind regards, David Mozer International Bicycle Fund - www.ibike.org Promoting sustainable transport and understanding worldwide. A non-profit organization. -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+intlbike=ibike.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+intlbike=ibike.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Todd Alexander Litman Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:23 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport; carfree_network@lists.riseup.net; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sustran] Re: Segway is environmental or sustainable? There has been considerable debate about the appropriate role of Segways in a sustainable transportation system. The concern is not just that some people will shift from walking or cycling to motorized travel, but that Segways will create conflicts on sidewalks and paths, reducing total walking and cycling. However, Segways are just one of many Personal Mobility Devices (PMD), which also include skates and skateboards, scooters, handcarts and bicycles (and let's not forget joggers, pedestrians with dogs on leash, and equestrians). I prefer to generalize this issue, and develop guidelines and best practices for managing nonmotorized facilities to minimize conflicts between various types of users. This means determining where and when various PMDs should be allowed or prohibited on sidewalks and paths, and establishing rules that they must follow, including maximum speed and their requirements for yielding to other facility users. For discussion of this issue see "Managing Personal Mobility Devices On Nonmotorized Facilities" (http://www.vtpi.org/man_nmt_fac.pdf). Please let me know if you have comments about this paper. Best wishes, -Todd Litman From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Jun 11 15:29:03 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 08:29:03 +0200 Subject: [sustran] WorldTransport Forum Transportation on university campuses? And you? Message-ID: <007301c56e4e$ddb665f0$6501a8c0@jazz> Summary: Transportation on university campuses? Anything interesting going on that might be identified as somehow part of a New Mobility Agenda? And if so where? Who? Anything that could usefully be done? By whom? What might we do as an informal pickup group with some capabilities in this area? Introduction: As you may have noticed from an indiscrete note traitorously posted to this forum by Dave Brook I have for the last week been the guinea pig for an environmental group e-interview at grist.com. And since I didn't get hurt, I have to consider it a narrow escape of sorts. But it turned out to be a good learning and reminding experience, and when one young person asked me the following, it spurred a thought for an eventual enquiry or even perhaps group activity of some sort that I would now like to share you all, bearing in mind that a good number of you have close academic links. Here was Chris's question: Chris's question: "I have been charged with the task of researching ways to make my Big 10 school more sustainable. I've had a few ideas such as converting our bus system to biodiesel, reducing the "food miles" for our many cafeterias, and performing energy audits on all campus buildings. However, I am not sure if these ideas will be the most effective. Do you have any other ideas that I could use or research? Also, any tips for dealing with a conservative administration that is not likely to back any idea based on environmental merit alone?" -- Chris Kurtz, Columbus, Ohio. Response - Round 1 (my words in the e-journal) "Chris, I really want to help you with this since I consider it an important issue, not only for a more sustainable present but also since it is in the university where we take on so many of the habits and attitudes that shape us for all our lives. I am sure that a sustainable university -- or at least one that gives this a serious, visible, and heavily participatory try -- is going to have a major influence on the students in their future lives, and of course on the surrounding community. "Now, my problem in this respect is that I simply am not in the swim on this one. There have to be some kinds of examples around. My first step would be an outreach program to start to identify the winners and losers -- and the why's and how's. "I know that one huge headache and budget item for many U.S. universities is that of parking. And if you rationalize parking, you are taking a big step toward rationalizing the entire movement system, which simply has to become more sustainable. "So while I have no ready answers for you, I do know a good question when I see one, and you have one there. I hope you will try to answer it for yourself. And I would be pleased to do a bit of background work on this with you if you really wish to pursue this." Round 2: - Following shows up in the "News Alerts" on our New Mobility site this morning: "UVic faculty, staff and students can choose between several parking and commuting options this fall as UVic continues to work toward its goal of reducing vehicle traffic to campus. Improvements to facilities for cyclists, a new employee bus pass program and a new flexible parking pass are among the more than half-dozen programs being offered as part of the university's transportation demand management (TDM) strategy. Reducing single occupant vehicle traffic to campus is one of the goals of UVic's campus plan. "The volume of vehicle traffic to campus has been steadily dropping over the past decade. A 2004 traffic audit showed that traffic to UVic has declined 13 per cent since 2000 while cycling trips have risen by 12 per cent in the same period. The audit showed that, for the first time, less than 50 per cent of the trips to campus were in single-occupancy vehicles. "Information about the new TDM initiatives will be included with parking pass renewal forms and is available on the facilities management website at web.uvic.ca/fmgt/TDM-main.html. Source and full text: http://ring.uvic.ca/05jun09/news/parking.html My question to you: Should we be sharing information and insight on this I think rather important topic? And if so how? I look forward to this. And so too, I am sure, does Chris. Eric Britton PS. When was the last time you checked out the Kyoto World Cities Challenge at http://kyotocities.org ? It's a moving target and maybe worth a visit. The New Mobility/World Transport Agenda Consult at: http://NewMobiity.org To post message to group: WorldTransport@yahoogroups.com To subscribe: WorldTransport-subscribe@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe: WorldTransport-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com _____ Yahoo! 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I was ready to be supportive of the thing, and thought these guys might be good allies for traffic calmed streets and high quality grade separated cycling facilities, where they would in my opinion operate reasonably compatably with bicycles.i had him crash it into me to see what it was like, and it was like being hit by a person jogging, not like being hit by a vehicle, certainly no worse than being hit by a cyclist. So it seems to me that the regulatory system should treat them the same way bicycles are treated. I see no difficulty using them on suburban sidewalks which are relatively under-utilized. But certainly they don't belong on New York City sidewalks, which are extremely overcrowded in many areas. the biggest problem is with Dean Kamen and the Segway company that he owns entirely. He insists that they are unsafe for use on streets in any conditions and is adamant that they belonged only on the sidewalks. As such, he sees no common cause with cyclists, and he has put himself on a collision course with pedestrian advocates and some advocates for the disabled. It is as if he has decided that it is easier politically to steam roller pedestrian groups and grab scarce sidewalk space than it is to beat the highway lobby and grab road space for bicycles and segways, or to win traffic calming, so they decided to pick on the weaker guys. His attitude was so arrogant and insulting, "Who voted for you guys," he asked. Our five thousand members," we said. "five thousand? That's nothing," he said. The strong arm tacticts of his lobbyists so bare knuckled, that he alienated virtually all of us bike ped advocates. Well, TA's 5000 members managed to beat him in Albany and keep them illegal on new york city sidewalks. In parts of the outer boroughs, this is probably too bad, but in Manhattan and busy parts of brooklyn and queens, this is a good thing. best walter Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide Visit http://www.itdp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Deakin To: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com ; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport ; 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' ; carfree_network@lists.riseup.net ; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: [NewMobilityCafe] Re: Segway is environmental orsustainable? My elderly neighbor who was quite athletic for most of his life now has limited ability to walk. His Segway has made it possible for him to continue his activities including taking care of his animals, fruit trees, etc. I think we should be careful about sweeping judgments. (I hate Segways on sidewalks in cities, too...but this use is life-sustaining.) Betty Deakin -----Original Message----- From: Eric Bruun Sent: Jun 7, 2005 7:26 PM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport , 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' , carfree_network@lists.riseup.net, NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NewMobilityCafe] Re: [sustran] Segway is environmental or sustainable? Carlos The Segway people have done an incredible lobbying and publicity gathering job. They managed to get state laws changed to permit Segways on sidewalks (pavements) in 30+ states in the US, mostly without public input. In Philadelphia it is now illegal to ride a bicycle on a sidewalk if you are over 12 years old, but riding a Segway is fine. A Segway rep also showed up with one at one of our Transportation Research Board committtee meetings a couple of years back. I think Segway is also lobbying the military to buy them. The president of the company is a lifelong conservative Republican if I recall, so it seems pretty insincere if he is trying to pitch an environmental argument. This 1/4th mile "rule" is really just an approximation that doesn't pertain for longer trips, or for accessing high-quality transit, or for communities where walking is pleasant and it is part of the culture to walk. I think that Segways might have some use in an industrial setting to replace golf carts and other larger electrical vehicles, but I agree with you about their use for the general public. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- From: "Carlos F. Pardo" Sent: Jun 7, 2005 5:29 PM To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' , carfree_network@lists.riseup.net, NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sustran] Segway is environmental or sustainable? I just found this article in an environmental magazine and I was shocked. It says that Segways are one of the most environmentally friendly modes of transportation, and it even states the following: "There are a lot of statistics that show that if people are forced to walk more than a fourth of a mile to connect to transit, then they will just get in their cars," says Carla Vallone, communications manager for Segway LLC. "The Segway HT is another option for people who may not want to ride their bikes." I think segways are one of the worst ideas that have ever been developed in the past few years. They encourage lazy people to become lazier by giving them an expensive apparatus that will only make them occupy more space on sidewalks and stop using their bodies as a main source of mobility. It's just sad to see these opinions walk through into the "environmental discourse without being noticed. Maybe in a few more years many people will be promoting the use of segways instead of bicycles or walking! The entire article is available in the following address: http://www.emagazine.com/view/?2488 Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org The New Mobility Agenda is permanently at http://NewMobility.org To post messages to list: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com To unsubscribe: NewMobilityCafe-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Free group video/voice-conferencing via http://newmobilitypartners.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewMobilityCafe/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NewMobilityCafe-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050613/59b9c8e4/attachment-0001.html From caj24 at cornell.edu Tue Jun 14 08:36:35 2005 From: caj24 at cornell.edu (Craig August Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sustran] multi-modal urban webmapping project In-Reply-To: <000c01c56d0c$4c1e0c80$0400a8c0@ci.seattle.wa.us> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20050608091357.025ea598@mail.islandhosting.com> <000c01c56d0c$4c1e0c80$0400a8c0@ci.seattle.wa.us> Message-ID: <62768.210.143.132.1.1118705795.squirrel@210.143.132.1> Hey all, I was just wondering if anyone has come across a?@webmapping site like google map or mapquest that usesa that uses a GIS technology to provide a way From caj24 at cornell.edu Tue Jun 14 09:02:20 2005 From: caj24 at cornell.edu (Craig August Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sustran] multi-modal urban webmapping project Message-ID: <61288.210.143.132.1.1118707340.squirrel@210.143.132.1> Hey all, Sorry for the multiple posting I was just wondering if anyone has come across a webmapping site like google map or mapquest or a program that uses GIS technology to compare cost and time of multi-modal transportation routes in an urban environment. While many of these programs are becoming very adept at routing and providing time/cost data for trips that are sole auto based trips. No program that I have found allows one to compare multi-modal transit trips. For example if someone wanted to get from their house to work-- this program would be able to give a set of transport options such as walking biking biking-bus-walking walking-sub-bus-walk car walking-car (the options could seemingly be endless) and then the program would be able to rank each of these options by cost, time, or perhaps even convenience (sort of like websites do that are devoted to booking airline tickets) i was thinking that a type of program like that(especially in cities like New York with high number of transit options) could provide very useful information for users, policymakers, and city planners that hopefully would better support the use of sustainable transit alternatives in urban environment. i think the GIS routing technology is there. The mass-transit route schedules and fares for an urban city are usually widely available, but i have never seen such a GIS webmapping trip-finder program specifically linked to a complete mass transit network database. Any thoughts? Craig Johnson From ericbruun at earthlink.net Tue Jun 14 13:59:29 2005 From: ericbruun at earthlink.net (Eric Bruun) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:59:29 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [sustran] Re: College Campuses: Sustainable Transportation Laboratories Message-ID: <31253136.1118725169733.JavaMail.root@wamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050613/480a2f72/attachment.html From cpardo at cable.net.co Tue Jun 14 21:27:45 2005 From: cpardo at cable.net.co (Carlos F. Pardo V.) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:27:45 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: College Campuses: Sustainable Transportation Laboratories Message-ID: <0II1000UKYQL4N50@nexus.cable.net.co> Though I have no bibliographical references or have written anything about it, I found out that Bangkok's Thammasat University (a little bit in the outskirts of the city) has a very high percentage of bicycle use. It's really funny to find this near Bangkok, where you will find very few bicycles and a very intense car use. just a thought. I have some nice pictures if anyone is interested. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org _____ De: sustran-discuss-bounces+cpardo=cable.net.co@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+cpardo=cable.net.co@list.jca.apc.org] En nombre de Eric Bruun Enviado el: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:59 AM Para: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport; UTSG-request@JISCMAIL.AC.UK; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Asunto: [sustran] Re: College Campuses: Sustainable Transportation Laboratories If you go to www.tcrponline.org and then go to "TCRP Publications" you will find a list of free publications. One of them is a synthesis of university/college transportation programs. Also Don Shoup, et.al wrote an article called either "Unlimited Access" or "Universal Access" which talks about how university towns get much better than average transit than other US towns thanks to the presence of a university. Sorry that I can't give the exact citation since I am not at home, but you can probably find it by looking up Shoup at UCLA's website. Eric Bruun -----Original Message----- From: Eric Britton Sent: Jun 13, 2005 1:16 AM To: UTSG-request@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] College Campuses: Sustainable Transportation Laboratories We now have the beginning of a more structured (??) introductory and link page on this intriguing topic, concerning which I rather think a number of you have some useful leads that you might care to share with us all. You will see it in the bottom menu of our New Mobility Agenda site at http://newmobility.org - "Campus Transport". For now it's a bit of a mess, but no less interesting for all that. And with your good participation . . . Pitch in. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Eric Britton Though I have no bibliographical references or have written anything about it, I found out that Bangkok's Thammasat University (a little bit in the outskirts of the city) has a very high percentage of bicycle use. It's really funny to find this near Bangkok, where you will find very few bicycles and a very intense car use. just a thought. I have some nice pictures if anyone is interested. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org _____ From: ANGOTZI Doriano [mailto:doriano.angotzi@uitp.com] Sent: 22 June, 2005 8:01 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: UITP - Mobility in Cities Database - FREE brochure Dear all, Thank you for the interest you have shown in the Mobility in Cities Database. As agreed when you registered on our website, please find below a hyperlink to a free downloadable version of the brochure overviewing key results of the Mobility in Cities Database. The brochure is available in French, English, German, Spanish, and Italian. The CD-Rom which will be available in the beginning of October 2005 will include: * The database (in English) * The analysis and recommendations (English and French) * Fact sheets on selected cities I will inform you about the launch date and how to order in due course. Free download: http://www.uitp.com/publications/MCD2/reports.cfm Best regards Doriano ANGOTZI Publications Sales Doriano Angotzi | Sales of Publications and Advertising Officer International Association of Public Transport (UITP) Direct phone: 32 2 663 66 46 | Fax: 32 2 660 10 72 | Doriano.angotzi@uitp.com | http://www.uitp.com UITP: Better mobility for people worldwide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050623/f2c1788a/attachment-0001.html From aables at adb.org Thu Jun 23 17:04:54 2005 From: aables at adb.org (aables@adb.org) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:04:54 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message-ID: Sent in behalf of Cornie Huizenga CAI-Asia Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the initative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia www.adb.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050623/a8a1056a/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1763 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050623/a8a1056a/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AsiaModalSplitData.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050623/a8a1056a/AsiaModalSplitData.xls From lfwright at usa.net Fri Jun 24 12:01:18 2005 From: lfwright at usa.net (Lloyd Wright) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:01:18 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message-ID: <019JFXcpi8656S02.1119582078@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Dear Cornie, Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more than anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised trips, which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all trips involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not counted at all. My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think perhaps the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very good information to have. Best regards, Lloyd From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Jun 24 18:18:59 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:18:59 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities In-Reply-To: <019JFXcpi8656S02.1119582078@cmsweb15.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> Dear Cornie, Lloyd and Sustran and Kyoto friends, This is a very creative exchange. I would like to share four sets of thoughts with you on this, quickly. 1. I find the table as it now exists fascinating and most useful as food for reflection. 2. That said and as Lloyd points out, the actual figures make me most uneasy. There is so much variation, but even more when we bear in mind the realities of both the situation of each city and the enormous room for vagaries and alternative interpretations, I hardly see them as anything more than food for thought. (But let me copy this to Peter Newman and Jeff Kenworthy who have far more experience that I do in collecting data of this sort in cities around the world in the hope that their comments will carry more authority than mine.) 3. Moreover, as Lloyd suggests (I hope I read him correctly in this) there are a number of pretty good reasons for not putting a lot of resources into trying to do better. While I can certainly support the thinking behind such a proposal in principle, I also know from experience that not only is it a huge amount of work, and that whatever you get is quickly overtaken by events in this world of ours that simply refuses to stand still for us. And finally there is that real risk of GI-GO (garbage in, garbage out). 4. Finally, the last part of Lloyd's note which has to do with rewarding good performance and drawing attention to it so that other cities can note and -- as they always (eventually at least ) will .. thank god - emulate, each it its own way. (And what is going on with BRT world wide is a great example of that). So something like that ranking idea or some such is worth more thought. And that must come from someone who is internationally recognized and who can gin up the publicity needed to draw attention to it. Maybe some combination of all of us? I hope that we together give this more thought. Eric Britton -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of aables@adb.org To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [Sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the imitative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Wright Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:01 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more than anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised trips, which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all trips involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not counted at all. My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think perhaps the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very good information to have. Best regards, Lloyd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/f77a479c/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AsiaModalSplitData.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 26624 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/f77a479c/AsiaModalSplitData-0001.xls From chuizenga at adb.org Fri Jun 24 18:47:17 2005 From: chuizenga at adb.org (chuizenga@adb.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:47:17 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities In-Reply-To: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> Message-ID: Eric, Let me explain a bit more about the background of our request. Over the last few months I have attended a number of workshops and conferences where people were presenting data on modal splits in Asia. This were pretty much old data going back to the 1990's and in some case the '80 ties. At the same time I have been in discussions where people comment on how the NMT share has reduced in various cities in Asia or other comments are made on what is happening to public transport. As mentioned in the email requesting for information we believe that it would be good to have more up to date information on modal splits in Asian cities BOTH as an input in the regional discussion on policies as well as the discussion on transport planning in individual cities. Having said that, we are of course aware that there inconsistencies in data included in the table that we sent out, this due to differences in categorization and definitions. We have not tried to draw any conclusions from these data -- rather we wanted to know whether there is additional information out there on modal split which can clarify the issue further, either on a regional level or for specific cities. With respect to Lloyd's suggesting to go for ranking -- you would still need to have data on which to base your ranking. Personally I feel that a ranking attempt would really call for a lot of scrutiny of data and raise questions on comparability and definitions. We will keep you posted of the feed-back we receive through other sources. Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia www.adb.org "Eric Britton" 24/06/2005 05:18 PM Please respond to To "'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport'" cc , , , "Peter Newman" , "Jeff Kenworthy" Subject Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Lloyd and Sustran and Kyoto friends, This is a very creative exchange. I would like to share four sets of thoughts with you on this, quickly. 1. I find the table as it now exists fascinating and most useful as food for reflection. 2. That said and as Lloyd points out, the actual figures make me most uneasy. There is so much variation, but even more when we bear in mind the realities of both the situation of each city and the enormous room for vagaries and alternative interpretations, I hardly see them as anything more than food for thought. (But let me copy this to Peter Newman and Jeff Kenworthy who have far more experience that I do in collecting data of this sort in cities around the world in the hope that their comments will carry more authority than mine.) 3. Moreover, as Lloyd suggests (I hope I read him correctly in this) there are a number of pretty good reasons for not putting a lot of resources into trying to do better. While I can certainly support the thinking behind such a proposal in principle, I also know from experience that not only is it a huge amount of work, and that whatever you get is quickly overtaken by events in this world of ours that simply refuses to stand still for us. And finally there is that real risk of GI-GO (garbage in, garbage out). 4. Finally, the last part of Lloyd?s note which has to do with rewarding good performance and drawing attention to it so that other cities can note and -- as they always (eventually at least ) will .. thank god ? emulate, each it its own way. (And what is going on with BRT world wide is a great example of that). So something like that ranking idea or some such is worth more thought. And that must come from someone who is internationally recognized and who can gin up the publicity needed to draw attention to it. Maybe some combination of all of us? I hope that we together give this more thought. Eric Britton -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of aables@adb.org To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [Sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the imitative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Wright Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:01 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more than anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised trips, which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all trips involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not counted at all. My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think perhaps the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very good information to have. Best regards, Lloyd [attachment "AsiaModalSplitData.xls" deleted by Cornelius Huizenga/Consultants/ADB] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/e6fc1a88/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide Visit http://www.itdp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Britton To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Cc: Peter Newman ; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; chuizenga@adb.org ; Jeff Kenworthy Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Lloyd and Sustran and Kyoto friends, This is a very creative exchange. I would like to share four sets of thoughts with you on this, quickly. 1. I find the table as it now exists fascinating and most useful as food for reflection. 2. That said and as Lloyd points out, the actual figures make me most uneasy. There is so much variation, but even more when we bear in mind the realities of both the situation of each city and the enormous room for vagaries and alternative interpretations, I hardly see them as anything more than food for thought. (But let me copy this to Peter Newman and Jeff Kenworthy who have far more experience that I do in collecting data of this sort in cities around the world in the hope that their comments will carry more authority than mine.) 3. Moreover, as Lloyd suggests (I hope I read him correctly in this) there are a number of pretty good reasons for not putting a lot of resources into trying to do better. While I can certainly support the thinking behind such a proposal in principle, I also know from experience that not only is it a huge amount of work, and that whatever you get is quickly overtaken by events in this world of ours that simply refuses to stand still for us. And finally there is that real risk of GI-GO (garbage in, garbage out). 4. Finally, the last part of Lloyd's note which has to do with rewarding good performance and drawing attention to it so that other cities can note and -- as they always (eventually at least ) will .. thank god - emulate, each it its own way. (And what is going on with BRT world wide is a great example of that). So something like that ranking idea or some such is worth more thought. And that must come from someone who is internationally recognized and who can gin up the publicity needed to draw attention to it. Maybe some combination of all of us? I hope that we together give this more thought. Eric Britton -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of aables@adb.org To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [Sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the imitative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Wright Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:01 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more than anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised trips, which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all trips involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not counted at all. My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think perhaps the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very good information to have. Best regards, Lloyd ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/d3c54b1e/attachment.html From pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca Fri Jun 24 23:53:54 2005 From: pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca (V. Setty Pendakur) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:53:54 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities References: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> <006d01c578c9$3ee546a0$7701a8c0@WALTER> Message-ID: <001801c578cc$8c005260$165d4540@vqo1g195m03x39> During the past 20 years, we have been saying at TRB, CODATU and WCTR that aggregating modal splits without making sure that they have a common base for the split, simply and blatantly distorts the data systems for policy formulation and implementation , with a bias favoring the MVs. It is time that all of us, including the international funding agencies, recognize this bias. If NMT data is not included in the modal splits, such data should be separated as specifically a data set not including NMT. If possible, estimates can be made for NMT and such data can be adjusted. However, combining, willy nilly, all data into one set will only repeat and reinforce the historic bias to favor the MVs. Data sets should also be separated by chronological periods. If you have several cities in Asia and the data set covers the period 1980-2005 all in one file, comparisons for policy making would be meaningless. This applies to Africa also. Whatever tabulations ADB wish to produce, we certainly don't need another data set with a lot implicit biases. Best wishes. Setty. Dr. V. Setty Pendakur Professor Emeritus, University of BC Honorary Professor, National Academy of Sciences of the PRC Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP President Pacific Policy and Planning Associates 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3 Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493 ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Hook To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org ; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Cc: Peter Newman ; chuizenga@adb.org ; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; Jeff Kenworthy ; lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities i agree we need to at least separate out the modal split data that has walking and nmt included and that which doesnt, as there is huge variation in the way walking trips are counted. Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide Visit http://www.itdp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Britton To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Cc: Peter Newman ; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; chuizenga@adb.org ; Jeff Kenworthy Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Lloyd and Sustran and Kyoto friends, This is a very creative exchange. I would like to share four sets of thoughts with you on this, quickly. 1. I find the table as it now exists fascinating and most useful as food for reflection. 2. That said and as Lloyd points out, the actual figures make me most uneasy. There is so much variation, but even more when we bear in mind the realities of both the situation of each city and the enormous room for vagaries and alternative interpretations, I hardly see them as anything more than food for thought. (But let me copy this to Peter Newman and Jeff Kenworthy who have far more experience that I do in collecting data of this sort in cities around the world in the hope that their comments will carry more authority than mine.) 3. Moreover, as Lloyd suggests (I hope I read him correctly in this) there are a number of pretty good reasons for not putting a lot of resources into trying to do better. While I can certainly support the thinking behind such a proposal in principle, I also know from experience that not only is it a huge amount of work, and that whatever you get is quickly overtaken by events in this world of ours that simply refuses to stand still for us. And finally there is that real risk of GI-GO (garbage in, garbage out). 4. Finally, the last part of Lloyd's note which has to do with rewarding good performance and drawing attention to it so that other cities can note and -- as they always (eventually at least ) will .. thank god - emulate, each it its own way. (And what is going on with BRT world wide is a great example of that). So something like that ranking idea or some such is worth more thought. And that must come from someone who is internationally recognized and who can gin up the publicity needed to draw attention to it. Maybe some combination of all of us? I hope that we together give this more thought. Eric Britton -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of aables@adb.org To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [Sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the imitative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Wright Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:01 AM To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Dear Cornie, Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more than anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised trips, which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all trips involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not counted at all. My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think perhaps the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very good information to have. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/fab046fe/attachment-0001.html From litman at vtpi.org Sat Jun 25 00:37:19 2005 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Litman) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:37:19 -0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities In-Reply-To: <001801c578cc$8c005260$165d4540@vqo1g195m03x39> References: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> <006d01c578c9$3ee546a0$7701a8c0@WALTER> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20050624082911.041441f8@mail.islandhosting.com> Good points Setty. In addition, it is important to define carefully what constitutes a "trip". Many travel surveys ignore nonmotorized links of trips that involve a motorized mode. For example, bike-bus-walk trips are usually coded simply as "bus" trips, and drive-walk trips are coded as "auto" trips, even if they involve considerable walking on public facilities. Transit users often spend more time as pedestrians, walking and waiting, than actually traveling on transit vehicles. In addition, travel surveys tend to ignore or undercount short trips, non-commute and off-peak trips, travel by children, and recreational travel, all of which leads to undercounting of nonmotorized travel. For more information see "Economic Value of Walkability" (http://www.vtpi.org/walkability.pdf). Best wishes, -Todd Litman At 07:53 AM 6/24/2005 -0700, V. Setty Pendakur wrote: >During the past 20 years, we have been saying at TRB, CODATU and WCTR that >aggregating modal splits without making sure that they have a common base >for the split, simply and blatantly distorts the data systems for policy >formulation and implementation , with a bias favoring the MVs. It is time >that all of us, including the international funding agencies, recognize >this bias. If NMT data is not included in the modal splits, such data >should be separated as specifically a data set not including NMT. If >possible, estimates can be made for NMT and such data can be >adjusted. However, combining, willy nilly, all data into one set will >only repeat and reinforce the historic bias to favor the MVs. > >Data sets should also be separated by chronological periods. If you have >several cities in Asia and the data set covers the period 1980-2005 all in >one file, comparisons for policy making would be meaningless. This >applies to Africa also. > >Whatever tabulations ADB wish to produce, we certainly don't need another >data set with a lot implicit biases. > >Best wishes. Setty. > >Dr. V. Setty Pendakur >Professor Emeritus, University of BC >Honorary Professor, National Academy of Sciences of the PRC >Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP >President >Pacific Policy and Planning Associates >702--1099 Marinaside Crescent >Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3 >Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Walter Hook >To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org ; Asia and >the Pacific sustainable transport >Cc: Peter Newman ; >chuizenga@adb.org ; >Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; >Jeff Kenworthy ; >lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:30 AM >Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities > >i agree we need to at least separate out the modal split data that has >walking and nmt included and that which doesnt, as there is huge variation >in the way walking trips are counted. > >Walter Hook, Ph.D. >Executive Director >Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) >127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 >New York, NY 10001 >Ph: (212) 629-8001 >Fax: (212) 629-8033 > >Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide > >Visit http://www.itdp.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: Eric Britton >To: 'Asia and the Pacific >sustainable transport' >Cc: Peter Newman ; >Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; >chuizenga@adb.org ; >Jeff Kenworthy >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:18 AM >Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities > >Dear Cornie, Lloyd and Sustran and Kyoto friends, > > > >This is a very creative exchange. I would like to share four sets of >thoughts with you on this, quickly. > > >1. I find the table as it now exists fascinating and most useful as >food for reflection. > >2. That said and as Lloyd points out, the actual figures make me most >uneasy. There is so much variation, but even more when we bear in mind the >realities of both the situation of each city and the enormous room for >vagaries and alternative interpretations, I hardly see them as anything >more than food for thought. (But let me copy this to Peter Newman and >Jeff Kenworthy who have far more experience that I do in collecting data >of this sort in cities around the world in the hope that their comments >will carry more authority than mine.) > >3. Moreover, as Lloyd suggests (I hope I read him correctly in this) >there are a number of pretty good reasons for not putting a lot of >resources into trying to do better. While I can certainly support the >thinking behind such a proposal in principle, I also know from experience >that not only is it a huge amount of work, and that whatever you get is >quickly overtaken by events in this world of ours that simply refuses to >stand still for us. And finally there is that real risk of GI-GO (garbage >in, garbage out). > >4. Finally, the last part of Lloyd?s note which has to do with >rewarding good performance and drawing attention to it so that other >cities can note and -- as they always (eventually at least ) will .. thank >god ? emulate, each it its own way. (And what is going on with BRT world >wide is a great example of that). So something like that ranking idea or >some such is worth more thought. And that must come from someone who is >internationally recognized and who can gin up the publicity needed to draw >attention to it. Maybe some combination of all of us? > > > >I hope that we together give this more thought. > > >Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of aables@adb.org > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >Subject: [Sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities >Dear all, > >The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in >Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to >realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of >air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. > >An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the >promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized >transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with >projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit >development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. >Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have >shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic >congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost >required in implementing the project. > >However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs >and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which >the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is >that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein >for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities >(CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center >for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation >and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the imitative to gather >updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see >attached ). This compilation is also posted online at >http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html > >We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. >If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You >can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us >the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested >in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of >the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends >can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different >definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow >questionable. > >We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to >Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible >by 30 June, 2005. > > > >Best regards, >Cornie Huizenga >Head of Secretariat >Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) >Asian Development Bank >Tel (632) 632-5047 >Fax (632) 636 2198 >Email chuizenga@adb.org >http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia > > >-----Original Message----- >From: sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org >[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+eric.britton=ecoplan.org@list.jca.apc.org] >On Behalf Of Lloyd Wright >Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:01 AM >To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport >Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities > > >Dear Cornie, > > >Thanks for putting together the table of modal choice data. I think more >than >anything the spreadsheet points to the lack of a consistent approach to >collecting such data. One can particularly see this with non-motorised >trips, >which in many cases are not even included in the modal choice analysis. > > >Of course, there are a number of difficulties in collecting data on walking >trips. Some transport models will arbitrarily choose a minimum distance that >must be travelled before a trip becomes an official trip. The other >difficulty occurs with journeys involving multiple modes. Virtually all >trips >involve walking at some point, and yet the walking portion is frequently not >counted at all. > > >My other observation of mode share numbers in Asia is the relative lack of >awareness amongst municipal officials. Even in the cities where some data >exists, officials will have little dat-to-day interest in the numbers. Thus, >it is not just a matter of collecting the data, but perhaps more importantly >it is a matter of effectively "marketing" the data. > > >For this reason, I am not sure how valuable a major data collection effort in >Asia would be. As I have perhaps mentioned previously to you, I think >perhaps >the most effective means of raising awareness is through some sort of ranking >system. Ranking cities by mode share or perhaps by the correlation of mode >share to actual investment in particular modes could be a high-profile means >of focussing attention. Municipal officials very much care about the outside >perception of their cities. Nobody wants to be last in terms of footpaths or >public transport. And yet, outside of a ranking, the same officials may give >little or no attention to these issues. Well, this is just one idea. > > >Many thanks to everyone who helped contribute to your database. It is very >good information to have. > > >Best regards, > > >Lloyd > > > > > >---------- > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus >is on urban transport policy in Asia. > > >---------- > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus >is on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus >is on urban transport policy in Asia. From czegras at MIT.EDU Sat Jun 25 00:35:35 2005 From: czegras at MIT.EDU (P. Christopher Zegras) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:35:35 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050624111434.0258ff90@po9.mit.edu> Dear all, I think that a comparable, international set of data on mode share across cities would be a valuable tool to help better gauge where differences/commonalities exist, where they come from, what lessons we can learn, etc. But, we all know that the comparability issue is fairly challenging. Having been involved in a few efforts to come up with similar types of mode share 'inventories,' I know that the problem of secondary, tertiary (and further on) sourcing is an issue, making it often quite difficult to track down the real source of information. This should not be taken lightly. For example, I recently found an instance where a Latin American government's public presentation of a city's mode share actually (inadvertently, I can only hope) switched the bus/auto share (relative to what the raw data and more detailed technical reports actually showed) - and I have since seen this incorrect figure cited elsewhere. We know that the results are susceptible to: 1. definition of sampling frame (e.g., all persons, >5, adults, urban, suburban, metropolitan, etc. ) 2. definition of trip (all 'outings' in the public realm, >200 m; motorized trips, etc.); 3. Sample size and related issues such as quality of the expansion/corrrection factors; 4. Day of the week; 5. Time of the year; among other factors. That said, I think it would be of extremely high value if the international agencies, professional associations, etc. came up with a set of standards for conducting household (oh, and what about that poor cousin, freight...) origin-destination surveys and, importantly, REPORTING clearly those results (assumptions, etc. etc.) so that comparison might ultimately be possible. These standards already exist in many countries, but implementing them and ensuring transparency is fairly critical. At the very least, any development organization that finances data collection should ensure that those standards are met and, furthermore, ensure that the data produced is public (at least in aggregate form), with all influencing factors (partially enumerated above) clear. Regards, Chris From: "V. Setty Pendakur" Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com, Adb Eunkyung Kwon , Peter Newman , chuizenga@adb.org, lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp, Jeff Kenworthy To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport" References: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> <006d01c578c9$3ee546a0$7701a8c0@WALTER> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:53:54 -0700 Reply-To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Message-ID: <001801c578cc$8c005260$165d4540@vqo1g195m03x39> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C57891.DE421170" Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message: 3 During the past 20 years, we have been saying at TRB, CODATU and WCTR that aggregating modal splits without making sure that they have a common base for the split, simply and blatantly distorts the data systems for policy formulation and implementation , with a bias favoring the MVs. It is time that all of us, including the international funding agencies, recognize this bias. If NMT data is not included in the modal splits, such data should be separated as specifically a data set not including NMT. If possible, estimates can be made for NMT and such data can be adjusted. However, combining, willy nilly, all data into one set will only repeat and reinforce the historic bias to favor the MVs. Data sets should also be separated by chronological periods. If you have several cities in Asia and the data set covers the period 1980-2005 all in one file, comparisons for policy making would be meaningless. This applies to Africa also. Whatever tabulations ADB wish to produce, we certainly don't need another data set with a lot implicit biases. Best wishes. Setty. Dr. V. Setty Pendakur Professor Emeritus, University of BC Honorary Professor, National Academy of Sciences of the PRC Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP President Pacific Policy and Planning Associates 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3 Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493 ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Hook To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org ; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Cc: Peter Newman ; chuizenga@adb.org ; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; Jeff Kenworthy ; lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities i agree we need to at least separate out the modal split data that has walking and nmt included and that which doesnt, as there is huge variation in the way walking trips are counted. Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/26111f5e/attachment.html From whook at itdp.org Sat Jun 25 01:06:46 2005 From: whook at itdp.org (Walter Hook) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:06:46 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities References: Message-ID: <01ad01c578d6$b8993530$7701a8c0@WALTER> A point of clarification on the Transport Modal Choice in Asian Cities that was just sent around. Karl just pointed out to me that this table of modal split data was attributed to the Institute for Transport Policy and Development. Some people might be confused by this. Our name is the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy, though I believe this attribution refers to us. We are also not comfortable with this table being attributed to ITDP. As a favor to CAI Asia, ITDP's intern John Lindsey prepared this table from some data from various sources, in support of CAI Asia's efforts to provide background for a proposal it was preparing for various work to European sources. While it is a reasonable compliation of what data is available out there, we never intended for this data to be used as an authoritative document, it was never reviewed by any ITDP staff, and we had no idea it was going to be released more broadly. ITDP is not currently working on a more authoritative assessment of modal split trends in the region, and as such would like our name removed from the attribution. Collating more accurate modal split data is not a priority for ITDP, and if one is done I agree with Setty Pendakur that a research based institution like TRB, or the CAI Asia itself with techncial review by some experts, would be a more appropriate venue. CAI itself might systematically request this data from its members using a consistent methodology, and then use one or two experts to assess the validity of the results. regards, Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide Visit http://www.itdp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: aables@adb.org To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:04 AM Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Sent in behalf of Cornie Huizenga CAI-Asia Dear all, The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost required in implementing the project. However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the initative to gather updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see attached ). This compilation is also posted online at http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow questionable. We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible by 30 June, 2005. Best regards, Cornie Huizenga Head of Secretariat Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Asian Development Bank Tel (632) 632-5047 Fax (632) 636 2198 Email chuizenga@adb.org http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia www.adb.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/cacf3697/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1763 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/cacf3697/attachment.gif From SCHIPPER at wri.org Sat Jun 25 01:05:14 2005 From: SCHIPPER at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:05:14 -0400 Subject: [sustran] [Kyoto2020] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message-ID: An additional frustration is that trip shares do not describe motion/mobility in passenger-km well, because trip length by mode varies so much. And without trip distance and mode by purpose, the results are kind of a wash....but still this is a step forward. Lee Schipper Director for Research, EMBARQ World Resources Institute 10 "G" St NE, Washington DC 20002 TLF 1 202 729 7735 FAX 1 202 729 7775 http://www.embarq.wri.org/en >>> czegras@mit.edu 6/24/2005 11:35:35 AM >>> Dear all, I think that a comparable, international set of data on mode share across cities would be a valuable tool to help better gauge where differences/commonalities exist, where they come from, what lessons we can learn, etc. But, we all know that the comparability issue is fairly challenging. Having been involved in a few efforts to come up with similar types of mode share 'inventories,' I know that the problem of secondary, tertiary (and further on) sourcing is an issue, making it often quite difficult to track down the real source of information. This should not be taken lightly. For example, I recently found an instance where a Latin American government's public presentation of a city's mode share actually (inadvertently, I can only hope) switched the bus/auto share (relative to what the raw data and more detailed technical reports actually showed) - and I have since seen this incorrect figure cited elsewhere. We know that the results are susceptible to: 1. definition of sampling frame (e.g., all persons, >5, adults, urban, suburban, metropolitan, etc. ) 2. definition of trip (all 'outings' in the public realm, >200 m; motorized trips, etc.); 3. Sample size and related issues such as quality of the expansion/corrrection factors; 4. Day of the week; 5. Time of the year; among other factors. That said, I think it would be of extremely high value if the international agencies, professional associations, etc. came up with a set of standards for conducting household (oh, and what about that poor cousin, freight...) origin-destination surveys and, importantly, REPORTING clearly those results (assumptions, etc. etc.) so that comparison might ultimately be possible. These standards already exist in many countries, but implementing them and ensuring transparency is fairly critical. At the very least, any development organization that finances data collection should ensure that those standards are met and, furthermore, ensure that the data produced is public (at least in aggregate form), with all influencing factors (partially enumerated above) clear. Regards, Chris From: "V. Setty Pendakur" Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com, Adb Eunkyung Kwon , Peter Newman , chuizenga@adb.org, lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp, Jeff Kenworthy To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport" References: <016e01c5789d$c4b43470$6501a8c0@jazz> <006d01c578c9$3ee546a0$7701a8c0@WALTER> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:53:54 -0700 Reply-To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Message-ID: <001801c578cc$8c005260$165d4540@vqo1g195m03x39> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C57891.DE421170" Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities Message: 3 During the past 20 years, we have been saying at TRB, CODATU and WCTR that aggregating modal splits without making sure that they have a common base for the split, simply and blatantly distorts the data systems for policy formulation and implementation , with a bias favoring the MVs. It is time that all of us, including the international funding agencies, recognize this bias. If NMT data is not included in the modal splits, such data should be separated as specifically a data set not including NMT. If possible, estimates can be made for NMT and such data can be adjusted. However, combining, willy nilly, all data into one set will only repeat and reinforce the historic bias to favor the MVs. Data sets should also be separated by chronological periods. If you have several cities in Asia and the data set covers the period 1980-2005 all in one file, comparisons for policy making would be meaningless. This applies to Africa also. Whatever tabulations ADB wish to produce, we certainly don't need another data set with a lot implicit biases. Best wishes. Setty. Dr. V. Setty Pendakur Professor Emeritus, University of BC Honorary Professor, National Academy of Sciences of the PRC Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP President Pacific Policy and Planning Associates 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3 Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493 ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter Hook To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org ; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Cc: Peter Newman ; chuizenga@adb.org ; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com ; Jeff Kenworthy ; lfwright@usanet.jca.ne.jp Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities i agree we need to at least separate out the modal split data that has walking and nmt included and that which doesnt, as there is huge variation in the way walking trips are counted. Walter Hook, Ph.D. Executive Director Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) 127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 New York, NY 10001 Ph: (212) 629-8001 Fax: (212) 629-8033 Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide From Manfred.Breithaupt at gtz.DE Sat Jun 25 02:23:33 2005 From: Manfred.Breithaupt at gtz.DE (Breithaupt Manfred GTZ 4413) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:23:33 +0200 Subject: [sustran] AW: FW: UITP - Mobility in Cities Database - FREE brochure Message-ID: Thks. I got it yesterday at the meeting at UITP, where I went with peter roberts/WB. The cd rom they ll sell from october. Regarding the WS with UITP, they now opt for a WS at LTA in singapore in november, for participants from south east asia. They have to follow up with singapore. With best regards, Manfred ***************************************************************************** Manfred Breithaupt Deutsche Gesellschaft f?r Technische Zusammenarbeit (GTZ) GmbH (German Technical Cooperation) Transport and Mobility Division 44 - Environment and Infrastructure P.O. Box 5180 65726 Eschborn Tel. + 49 6196 79-1357 Fax + 49 6196 79-80 1357 Email: manfred.breithaupt@gtz.de http://www.gtz.de/transport gtz ***************************************************************************** -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: sustran-discuss-bounces+manfred.breithaupt=gtz.de@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+manfred.breithaupt=gtz.de@list.jca.apc.org] Im Auftrag von Carlos F. Pardo Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2005 02:17 An: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport'; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [sustran] FW: UITP - Mobility in Cities Database - FREE brochure See below, the UITP Mobility in Cities Database overview is available at http://www.uitp.com/publications/MCD2/reports.cfm Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Project Coordinator GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) Room 0942, Transport Division, UN-ESCAP ESCAP UN Building Rajadamnern Nok Rd. Bangkok 10200, Thailand Tel: +66 (0) 2 - 288 2576 Fax: +66 (0) 2 - 280 6042 Mobile: +66 (0) 1 - 772 4727 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org Website: www.sutp.org ________________________________ From: ANGOTZI Doriano [mailto:doriano.angotzi@uitp.com] Sent: 22 June, 2005 8:01 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: UITP - Mobility in Cities Database - FREE brochure Dear all, Thank you for the interest you have shown in the Mobility in Cities Database. As agreed when you registered on our website, please find below a hyperlink to a free downloadable version of the brochure overviewing key results of the Mobility in Cities Database. The brochure is available in French, English, German, Spanish, and Italian. The CD-Rom which will be available in the beginning of October 2005 will include: * The database (in English) * The analysis and recommendations (English and French) * Fact sheets on selected cities I will inform you about the launch date and how to order in due course. Free download: http://www.uitp.com/publications/MCD2/reports.cfm Best regards Doriano ANGOTZI Publications Sales Doriano Angotzi | Sales of Publications and Advertising Officer International Association of Public Transport (UITP) Direct phone: 32 2 663 66 46 | Fax: 32 2 660 10 72 | Doriano.angotzi@uitp.com | http://www.uitp.com UITP: Better mobility for people worldwide ________________________________________________________ 30 Years GTZ. Partner for the Future. Worldwide. GTZ Spotlight 2005: Focus - Fascination - Future: Designing tomorrow's cities. http://www.gtz.de/spotlight -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050624/2534504f/attachment-0001.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Jun 25 23:40:00 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:40:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] More on the Principal Voices media project and what I would like to ask you to consider Message-ID: <014e01c57993$c5f6b3c0$6501a8c0@jazz> Dear World Wide Friends of Sustainable Mobility, You may have been a bit surprised, puzzled at the long post just shared with you on the subject of the on-going Time/Fortune/CNN/Shell Principal Voices media project, and in particular of course their treatment of the transport sector. To put you further in the picture I attach the text of their initial transportation statement, of which you can find the original on their site at http://www.principalvoices.com/transport.html. Since in that last mailing I have gone to some length to indicate why I think they should be making a real effort to get the growing Voice of Sustainable Transportation properly represented in their debates - which at present include one engineer/designer of metros and one businessman/builder of trucks and buses - I will not add unnecessarily to that. But let me make a couple of points on the attached, which are indeed representative of their approach as a whole. If you scan their piece you will see ZERO REFERENCES to women, girls or children, a give-away clue to the attitude that the "product" to be transported, as passively as possible, is undifferentiated. As opposed to this there are no less than eleven references to "motor" in various forms, and six to "auto". Hmm. Now my objective here is not to make life difficult for the Time/Fortune etc. team, but rather to see how we can help them do a better and more forward looking job. After all, it is clear that they have only a, might I say, "business journalist" perspective of the sector, so it is quite natural that their point of view should be rounded out before the actual transport section of their project is engaged. So now is the time for us to get to them with some authority and see if they can open up things a bit, so that they do a better and more useful job of it. Up to now, the only "voice" that they have heard urging them to do better along these lines has been my own. But who anyway am I? Just one person and not only that a guy who has never designed a metro, built a truck, or driven an SUV in peak hour traffic. So, perhaps they need a little judicious encouragement, and hence this cycle of two notes to you all. So if you agree that this is worth the stamp, I would like to ask you to address a short note (or a long one if you wish) to our friends in the Rime/Fortune etc. team (their emails are above), possibly inviting them to open up the debate to bring in some kind of representation of the real sustainable mobility expertise and pressure for change. My own preference would be for this to be done in a collective manner, and why not perhaps through the good agency of an existing program and network. One candidate might be the New Mobility Agenda, but there could be others that are better yet. What is important is that we take advantage of this opportunity to make the real Voice of Sustainable Mobility heard. Not least because we need every forum we can mobilize to get our message out. Perhaps you could copy anything you do send to them to the New Mobility Agenda forum via NewMobility@yahoogroups.com. We can then cumulate our ideas and pressures for change, as indeed we are doing every day in our work and thinking. It is this gradual process of budildng knowledge and consensus that it the primary instrument of judicious adaptation and change as we work to a world that is more sustainable and socially just. Thanks for giving this some thought. Eric Britton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/private/sustran-discuss/attachments/20050625/6fe17e36/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While correlations, statistical tests, and policy prescriptions made using the data collected by Newman/Kenworthy and colleagues/students have been hotly debated over the years, I know of no challenges to the quality of the raw data. Unfortunately, in the spreadsheet circulated last week some of the Newman/Kenworthy data was quoted incorrectly and a major source of accurate urban transport data on 17 Asian cities for 1995 was overlooked. Walter Hook has wisely asked that the circulated table is not attributed to ITDP. In the conclusions of the 1999 book referred to in the message below, Kenworthy and Laube stress the need for "clearinghouses" with an overview role to ensure data consistency and reliability. From a researcher's perspective, I would be elated to see high quality data on Asian cities compiled routinely by professionals and rigorously checked for accuracy. This would take a major, ongoing commitment of resources, probably from a multi-lateral institution like the World Bank, a regional multi-lateral institution (such as the ADB or the UN-ECLAC as suggested by Lake Sagaris) or a research institution like the TRB (as suggested by Setty Pendakur): I encourage any move in that direction, as I'm sure most of the people on the list would. The problem is that high quality international data has a number of characteristics of a public good: the important question is who is willing and able to commit the kind of resources required? Regards, Craig ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Craig Townsend, Ph.D. Assistant Professor Concordia University, Department of Geography, Planning and Environment 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West, Montr?al, Qu?bec, Canada, H3G 1M8 Tel.: (514) 848-2424 ext. 5191 Fax: (514) 848-2032 Email: townsend@alcor.concordia.ca >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:57:06 +0800 >Subject: Asian cities modal split data >From: Jeffrey KENWORTHY >To: , Eric Britton >CC: Craig Townsend , > Paul Barter , > Peter Newman >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 >X-Status: > > >COMMENTS ON DATA ON ASIAN CITIES MODAL SPLIT > >The speadsheet has some problems. I will confine my comments to where I >can confidently comment. > >One of the key overall problems is that the spreadsheet does not >distinguish the trip purposes to which the data apply. There is a big >difference between quoting journey-to-work modal split and, for example, >all trip purposes. There seems to be no effort to distinguish this at all >and yet at least some of the sources specify this. > >BANGKOK: > >The data shown under reference 3 are for 1990 not 1999. They are for >journey to work only. They do not come from Cities and Automobile >Dependence which only contained data up to 1980. They are from: > >KENWORTHY, J.R. and Laube, F.B. (1999) An International Sourcebook of >Automobile Dependence in Cities, 1960-1990. University Press of Colorado, >Niwot, Boulder, Colorado. 704 pp. > >The way the data are reported and the above errors and omissions indicate >a certain lack of attention to detail. > >The data referenced to Paul Barter for 1990 may need checking. Paul did >his PhD with me and was linked in with the data that Chamlong Poboon >collected for his PhD on Bangkok (another of my PhD students). These 1990 >data are reported in the above reference and the only modal split data for >1990 are those incorrectly reported in your table for 1999 (for the >journey to work as described above). I do not have Paul's thesis with me. >Paul may have collected some additional data on Bangkok, but your table >does not specify what trips the data refer to. I suggest to clarify this >with Paul Barter (I copy this to him). The year and trip purpose needs to >be clarified. Same applies to the 1970 data reported from Paul. > >The data reported as being UITP data 2001 from another source is >uncertain. Felix Laube and myself developed for the UITP over the 1998 to >2000 period the following database published in 2001 with consistent 1995 >(or 1996 depending on the Census year) data as its basis: > >* KENWORTHY, J. and Laube, F. (2001) The Millennium Cities Database for >Sustainable Transport. (CDROM Database) International Union (Association) >of Public Transport, (UITP), Brussels and Institute for Sustainability and >Technology Policy (ISTP), Perth. > >This database reports the modal split for ALL TRIPS for 84 cities >worldwide, many in Asia (see list end of email). > >The Bangkok data for 1995 for all trips reported in this database are as >follows: > >Private transport: 45.8% >Public transport: 42.7% >NMM: 11.5% > >Again, the source of these data need to clarified. The UITP has in Rome >recently released a limited update of the 2001 database referenced above >for a limited number of cities (Jerome Pourbaix). The 2001 released >database as already mentioned contained 1995 data. The reported figures >under Reference 13 need to be clarified as they are confusing. > >BEIJING > >Data for all trips from 1995 are as follows (Millennium Cities Database as >referenced above). > > * non motorised modes: 47.9% > * motorised public modes: 27.8% > * motorised private modes: 24.3% > >The data reported under reference 3 are interesting since Beijing doesn't >even appear in this work of ours and certainly not 1999 since the book >appeared in 1989 and contains data only up to 1980. > >The modal splits referred to under reference 3 are for 1990 only for the >JOURNEY TO WORK. They are from a report we did for the World Bank, the >reference of which is: > >KENWORTHY, J.R., Laube, F.B., Newman, P.W.G. and Barter, P.A. (1997) >Indicators of transport efficiency in 37 global cities. A Report for the >World Bank, ISTP, Murdoch University, February. > >Just on these two cities alone it is clear that the work done in compiling >these data has been a bit lacking in care. > >CHENNAI > >Again from the Millennium Database for 1995 for all trips purposes: > > * non motorised modes 43.9% > * motorised public modes 42.3% > * motorised private modes 13.8% > >The data sourced to Pucher are close to these but the year needs checking >and a check on what trips they represent needs to be made. Refer to John. > >GUANGZHOU > >Again from the Millennium Database for 1995 for all trips purposes: > > * non motorised modes: 69.3% > * motorised public modes: 14.2% > * motorised private modes: 16.5% > >These data were collected on site in Guangzhou by a Chinese national PhD >student for the Millennium Database. I cannot comment on the wide range of >other data in your table or for what trip purposes it refers. > >HONG KONG > >The data reported under 3 are not for the year reported nor from that >source: They refer to the Journey to Work only and they are for 1991. They >are from: > >KENWORTHY, J.R. and Laube, F.B. (1999) An International Sourcebook of >Automobile Dependence in Cities, 1960-1990. University Press of Colorado, >Niwot, Boulder, Colorado. 704 pp. > >I can't see any value in the other reported data for Hong Kong unless the >the trip purpose to which the data refer are reported. The data attributed >to Barter under reference 8 I can check from his thesis, but not right >now. Paul could respond in the meantime. > >JAKARTA > >The same comments apply on the data reported under reference 3 as made for >Hong Kong. > >Again from the Millennium Database for 1995 for all trips purposes: > >* non motorised modes: 46.4% >* motorised public modes: 25.5% >* motorised private modes: 28.1% > >I do not have time to go into further detail on the other cities in the >list, but I have scanned them and the same pattern of comments and >problems as above apply. Many can be fixed up and expanded. > >SUMMARY > >I cannot understand how the spreadsheet provided could omit the Millennium >Cities Database from its reference sources. This is a major international >publication from the UITP. At least it could have reported the modal split >data consistently from this source for all trip purposes for 1995 from the >following cities: > > Manila > Bangkok > Hong Kong > Osaka > Sapporo > Tokyo > Beijing > Shanghai > Guangzhou > Bombay > Madras > Kuala Lumpur > Jakarta > Taipei > Seoul > Singapore > Ho Chi Minh City > >That it did not even seem to know about this source is perhaps an >indication that the work has not been done particularly carefully. This is >a bit frustrating. Furthermore, the table has many other problems such as >incorrect years, incorrect referencing and no distinction between the trip >types being referred to. > >I suggest that the above Millennium database is purchased from the UITP in >Brussels (refer Jerome Pourbaix) and also that the compilers of the table >avail themselves of: > >Kenworthy, J.R. and Laube, F.B. (1999) An International Sourcebook of >Automobile Dependence in Cities, 1960-1990. University Press of Colorado, >Niwot, Boulder, Colorado. 704 pp. > >It is only $US30 from the University Press of Colorado. > >I believe that the data in this table can be expanded and its relevance >and accuracy and thus usefulness can be greatly improved by attention to >the above comments. > >I hope this helps. > >Please note I will be checking my email only irregularly until July 14 and >may not be able to respond further in a timely manner. > >-- >Dr Jeff Kenworthy >Associate Professor in Sustainable Settlements >Acting Head of School >Institute for Sustainability and Technology Policy >Murdoch University >Murdoch, Western Australia, 6150 > >Tel 61 8 9360 2876 (W) >Tel 61 8 9335 6870 (H) >Fax 61 8 9360 6421 (W) > >Email J.Kenworthy@murdoch.edu.au At 12:06 PM 24/06/2005, you wrote: >A point of clarification on the Transport Modal Choice in Asian Cities >that was just sent around. > >Karl just pointed out to me that this table of modal split data was >attributed to the Institute for Transport Policy and Development. > >Some people might be confused by this. Our name is the Institute for >Transportation and Development Policy, though I believe this attribution >refers to us. We are also not comfortable with this table being >attributed to ITDP. > >As a favor to CAI Asia, ITDP's intern John Lindsey prepared this table >from some data from various sources, in support of CAI Asia's efforts to >provide background for a proposal it was preparing for various work to >European sources. While it is a reasonable compliation of what data is >available out there, we never intended for this data to be used as an >authoritative document, it was never reviewed by any ITDP staff, and we >had no idea it was going to be released more broadly. ITDP is not >currently working on a more authoritative assessment of modal split trends >in the region, and as such would like our name removed from the attribution. > >Collating more accurate modal split data is not a priority for ITDP, and >if one is done I agree with Setty Pendakur that a research based >institution like TRB, or the CAI Asia itself with techncial review by some >experts, would be a more appropriate venue. CAI itself might >systematically request this data from its members using a consistent >methodology, and then use one or two experts to assess the validity of the >results. > >regards, >Walter Hook, Ph.D. >Executive Director >Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (ITDP) >127 West 26th Street, Suite 1003 >New York, NY 10001 >Ph: (212) 629-8001 >Fax: (212) 629-8033 > >Promoting environmentally sustainable and equitable transportation worldwide > >Visit http://www.itdp.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: aables@adb.org >To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:04 AM >Subject: [sustran] Transportation Modal Choice in Asian Cities > > >Sent in behalf of Cornie Huizenga >CAI-Asia > >Dear all, > >The urban transport sector remains a major contributor to air pollution in >Asian cities. Decision makers and development agencies are starting to >realize that more active policies are required to address the problems of >air pollution, road safety and congestion associated with rapid motorization. > >An emerging movement in developed and developing countries is the >promotion and improvement of public transportation and non-motorized >transport in urban areas. In Asia, there are a number of cities with >projects on improving public transportation (Bus Rapid Transit >development), non-motorized transportation and pedestrian access. >Experience from these cities in developed and developing countries have >shown that substantial benefits on urban air quality and traffic >congestion can be achieved, not to mention the relatively 'cheaper' cost >required in implementing the project. > >However, in order to plan effective sustainable urban transport programs >and policies it is important to have a good picture of the manner in which >the urban transport sector is developing. A frequently heard complaint is >that there is no recent overview of modal split data and trends therein >for cities in Asia. The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities >(CAI-Asia), with the help of other organizations like EMBARQ/WRI Center >for Transportation and Environment and the Institute for Transportation >and Development Policy (ITDP), has therefore taken the initative to gather >updated information on modal split data in selected Asian cities (see >attached ). This compilation is also posted online at >http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-60210.html > > > >We would like to receive your comments on the data that we have gathered. >If you had additional studies please send us copies of the studies. You >can also add the information to the table but in that case please send us >the complete reference for our information. We are especially interested >in trends for individual cities, which have been calculated making use of >the same methodology and definitions for the different years. Some trends >can be observed from the data posted but in many cases different >definitions and methodologies have been used that make the trends somehow >questionable. > >We thank you for your cooperation as always. Please send your inputs to >Aurora Fe Ables aables@adb.org. We would like to receive them if possible >by 30 June, 2005. > > >Best regards, > >Cornie Huizenga >Head of Secretariat >Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) >Asian Development Bank >Tel (632) 632-5047 >Fax (632) 636 2198 >Email chuizenga@adb.org >http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia >[] > >www.adb.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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