From lemicado at hotmail.com Thu Dec 1 03:59:52 2005 From: lemicado at hotmail.com (cam ra) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:59:52 +0000 Subject: [sustran] Internship Request Message-ID: Dear Mrs, Miss, Mr, I am a French student in the UTC engineering school, specialized in Urban Systems Engineering. I am looking for a final internship period of 6 months in a foreign country, beginning in February - March of 2006. I am very interested in the questions of sustainable transport in developing countries. For those reasons I contact you; maybe you know about some projects and companies that I could contact. It would help me considerably in my search of a placement. If you are interested and want more information you can reply to this message and I will send you my CV. I stay at your entire disposition.Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Camille Laude _________________________________________________________________ MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br From lars.haglund at kau.se Thu Dec 1 05:08:28 2005 From: lars.haglund at kau.se (Lars Haglund) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:08:28 +0100 Subject: [sustran] SV: Internship Request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4jb3b2$dned4@ironport.bredband.com> If you send your CV I will contact my friends at our research center and at a research center in Indonesia to see if there are any possibilities for you! Lars Lars Haglund Karlstads universitet 651 88 Karlstad tel 054-7001518 mobil 0703-474578 hemtel 054-157909 mobil 070-3232645 e-post Lars.Haglund@kau.se -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr?n: sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org] F?r cam ra Skickat: den 30 november 2005 20:00 Till: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org ?mne: [sustran] Internship Request Dear Mrs, Miss, Mr, I am a French student in the UTC engineering school, specialized in Urban Systems Engineering. I am looking for a final internship period of 6 months in a foreign country, beginning in February - March of 2006. I am very interested in the questions of sustainable transport in developing countries. For those reasons I contact you; maybe you know about some projects and companies that I could contact. It would help me considerably in my search of a placement. If you are interested and want more information you can reply to this message and I will send you my CV. I stay at your entire disposition.Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Camille Laude _________________________________________________________________ MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From SCHIPPER at wri.org Thu Dec 1 05:36:38 2005 From: SCHIPPER at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:36:38 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: SV: Internship Request Message-ID: EMBARQ has had a number of very interesting internships focused on our work in Asian and Latin American cities. WE do not have a lot of funding for such opportunities, but we have the doors open for exciting work. Dear Mrs, Miss, Mr, I am a French student in the UTC engineering school, specialized in Urban Systems Engineering. I am looking for a final internship period of 6 months in a foreign country, beginning in February - March of 2006. I am very interested in the questions of sustainable transport in developing countries. For those reasons I contact you; maybe you know about some projects and companies that I could contact. It would help me considerably in my search of a placement. If you are interested and want more information you can reply to this message and I will send you my CV. I stay at your entire disposition.Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Camille Laude _________________________________________________________________ MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. From kuki at pelangi.or.id Fri Dec 2 00:17:40 2005 From: kuki at pelangi.or.id (Kuki Soejachmoen) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:17:40 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [sustran] Re: SV: Internship Request In-Reply-To: <4jb3b2$dned4@ironport.bredband.com> References: <4jb3b2$dned4@ironport.bredband.com> Message-ID: <21710.209.71.201.83.1133450260.squirrel@webmail.pelangi.or.id> Hi Camille, Our organization Yayasan Pelangi Indonesia has been involved in sustainable transport in Jakarta. We definitely welcome you if you would like to have your internship. Please send me your CV and we can discuss it directly. Best, Kuki Soejachmoen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org] F?r > cam ra > Skickat: den 30 november 2005 20:00 > Till: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > ?mne: [sustran] Internship Request > > Dear Mrs, Miss, Mr, > > I am a French student in the UTC engineering school, specialized in Urban > Systems Engineering. I am looking for a final internship period of 6 > months > in a foreign country, beginning in February - March of 2006. > > I am very interested in the questions of sustainable transport in > developing > > countries. For those reasons I contact you; maybe you know about some > projects and companies that I could contact. It would help me considerably > in my search of a placement. > > If you are interested and want more information you can reply to this > message and I will send you my CV. I stay at your entire disposition.Thank > you very much. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > Best regards, > Camille Laude > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br > > > > ===============================================================SUSTRAN-DISCUSS > is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus > is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > > > ===============================================================SUSTRAN-DISCUSS > is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and > sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global > South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban > transport policy in Asia. > > Moekti Handajani Soejachmoen (Kuki) YAYASAN PELANGI INDONESIA (PELANGI) Jl. Pangeran Antasari no. 10 Kebayoran Baru, Jakarta 12150 INDONESIA phone: (62-21) 7280-1172 fax: (62-21) 7280-1174 www.pelangi.or.id http://campaign.pelangi.or.id From kuki at pelangi.or.id Fri Dec 2 00:17:40 2005 From: kuki at pelangi.or.id (Kuki Soejachmoen) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 15:17:40 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [sustran] Re: SV: Internship Request In-Reply-To: <4jb3b2$dned4@ironport.bredband.com> References: <4jb3b2$dned4@ironport.bredband.com> Message-ID: <21710.209.71.201.83.1133450260.squirrel@webmail.pelangi.or.id> Hi Camille, Our organization Yayasan Pelangi Indonesia has been involved in sustainable transport in Jakarta. We definitely welcome you if you would like to have your internship. Please send me your CV and we can discuss it directly. Best, Kuki Soejachmoen > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr?n: sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lars.haglund=kau.se@list.jca.apc.org] F?r > cam ra > Skickat: den 30 november 2005 20:00 > Till: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > ?mne: [sustran] Internship Request > > Dear Mrs, Miss, Mr, > > I am a French student in the UTC engineering school, specialized in Urban > Systems Engineering. I am looking for a final internship period of 6 > months > in a foreign country, beginning in February - March of 2006. > > I am very interested in the questions of sustainable transport in > developing > > countries. For those reasons I contact you; maybe you know about some > projects and companies that I could contact. It would help me considerably > in my search of a placement. > > If you are interested and want more information you can reply to this > message and I will send you my CV. I stay at your entire disposition.Thank > you very much. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > Best regards, > Camille Laude > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Busca: f?cil, r?pido, direto ao ponto. http://search.msn.com.br > > > > ===============================================================SUSTRAN-DISCUSS > is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus > is > on urban transport policy in Asia. > > > > > ===============================================================SUSTRAN-DISCUSS > is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and > sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global > South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is on urban > transport policy in Asia. > > Moekti Handajani Soejachmoen (Kuki) YAYASAN PELANGI INDONESIA (PELANGI) Jl. Pangeran Antasari no. 10 Kebayoran Baru, Jakarta 12150 INDONESIA phone: (62-21) 7280-1172 fax: (62-21) 7280-1174 www.pelangi.or.id http://campaign.pelangi.or.id From operations at velomondial.net Fri Dec 2 21:51:01 2005 From: operations at velomondial.net (Velo Mondial) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 13:51:01 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Velo Mondial 2006: Right around the corner Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They can provide many economic, social and environmental benefits. If implemented to the degree that is economically justified, Win-Win Solutions could achieve the transportation component of Kyoto emission reduction targets while stimulating economic development and reducing other problems such as traffic congestion and accidents. This paper discusses the Win-Win concept and describes a dozen excellent Win-Win strategies. This paper is presented as a contribution to the 11th United Nations climate change conference held this week in Montreal. For Information contact: Todd Alexander Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051202/4e23e53a/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Sat Dec 3 07:20:01 2005 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo SUTP) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:20:01 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Mazda recommends its eployees to walk to the office! Message-ID: <20051202221756.17D7C2C392@mx-list.jca.ne.jp> Original source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051202/ap_on_bi_ge/japan_mazda TOKYO - Japanese automaker Mazda Motor Corp. is recommending its employees walk to the office, rather than commute by car, as part of an effort to improve their health and protect the environment, a company spokesman said Friday. Those meeting a set of requirements by going to the office on foot are eligible to receive 1,500 yen ($12) a month, Mazda spokesman Ken Haruki said. Aimed at improving employees' health and to promote environment protection, Mazda introduced its "Eco-walk commutation allowance" on Thursday, Hakuki said. Mazda, Japan's fourth-largest automaker based in Hiroshima, is the first Japanese car company to encourage its employees to walk and offer a monetary incentive, he said. All of the company's 20,000 workers at domestic plants are eligible. The company has no plans to extend the program to those working outside Japan, Hakuki said. Haruki said the allowance will be given to any Mazda employees who live more than two kilometers (1.24 miles) from the office and walk more than four kilometers (2.48 miles) in round trips at least 15 days a month. Employees can get off a train or bus on their way to the office and take a walk over the distance to meet the requirements, Haruki said. Yamaha Motor Co., a major Japanese motorcycle maker, introduced a similar eco-walk commutation system for its employees a year ago. Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cr. 14 # 94A-24 of. 409 Bogot? 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051202/ded03f9c/attachment.html From sutp at sutp.org Fri Dec 2 09:48:12 2005 From: sutp at sutp.org (SUTP Sustainable Urban Transport Project) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:48:12 -0500 Subject: [sustran] FW: Further Bans on Fuel Free Transport (FFT) in Dhaka City Message-ID: <20051202011309.D7AC82D6B5@mx-list.jca.ne.jp> _____ From: Dr. Mahabubul Bari [mailto:mmbari@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Jueves, 01 de Diciembre de 2005 05:53 p.m. Subject: Further Bans on Fuel Free Transport (FFT) in Dhaka City Croydon December 2, 2005 To Christine Wallich Country Director The World Bank Plot No. E-32 Agargaon Sher-e-Bangla Nagar Dhaka-1207, Bangladesh CC: Sadek Hossian Khoka, Mayor, Dhaka City Corporation Minister, Ministry of Communication Chairman, Parliamentary Standing Committee on Communication Secretary, Ministry of Communication Member Planning Commission, Bangladesh Executive Director, DTCB Chief Engineer, Roads & Highways Department Chief Engineer, Local Government Engineering Department Chairman, RAJUK Walter Hook, Executive Director, ITDP V. Setty Pendakur, Chairman, Committee for Planning in Developing Countries, Transportation Research Board Lew Fulton, UNEP David Jarrett, Team Leader, STP Jamilur Raza Chowdhury, Chairman Steering Committee of STP. Richard Scurfield, World Bank Guang Chen, World Bank Mitsuyoshi Asada, World Bank Jean-Noel Guillossou, World Bank Enrique Pantoja, World Bank Navaid Qureshi, World Bank Representatives of ADB Representative of JICA Representative of DFID Debra Efroymson, Regional Director, PATH Canada Saifuddin Ahmed, Executive Director, WBB Trust Lloyd Wright, UCL Karl Fjellstrom, ITDP Michael Replogle, Environmental Defence, President, ITDP Randy Ghent, World Car Free Network Qumrul Islam Siddique, Former Executive Director, DTCB Md. Quium, UNESCAP Jahir Uddin Chowdhury, BUET Alamgir Mujibul Hoque, Team Leader DUTP in BUET Jonathan Rouse, Independent Consultant on Sustainable Developments Subject: Further Bans on Fuel Free Transport (FFT) in Dhaka City Dear Dr. Wallich, We, the Roads for People movement, would like to thank you for your very reassuring letter concerning further bans on FFT in Dhaka City. We feel very encouraged by the Bank's firm commitment to safeguard the ability of the poor to earn a living, and the rights of women and other vulnerable groups to have a safe, affordable and convenient transport. It is also very reassuring your reaffirming the fundamental principal of transport policy appraisal on the basis of economic efficiency and social equity. We hope it will set the minimum standard for all decision makers and transport professionals in Bangladesh prior to embarking on any potentially regressive transport policy, such as FFT bans. In this connection, we would like to express our gratitude to the Government of Bangladesh for upholding natural justice and postponing any further bans on FFT infinitely (the related news is attached herewith). We hope DCC and DTCB authorities; STP (Strategic Transport Plan) team and its Steering Committee will show a neutral attitude while selecting potential transport policies. Unlike the recently completed STP study, any future transport study should adopt a balance approach to all road users irrespective of FFT or FDT (Fuel Dependent Transport) and also explore among other sustainable alternatives, the potential mobility and economic benefits of reintroduction of FFT in all roads, where they have been banned including all VIP roads. We therefore fervently request the local transport authorities to avail this opportunity and try to explore other sustainable alternatives, which have the potentials not only to ensure balanced developments and maximum door-to-door mobility of people and goods but also to protect the right of the poor and the vulnerable road users. A number of such solutions have already been proposed by the STP Consultants in the Working Paper no. 6, entitled "Public Transport and Mass Rapid Transit in Dhaka", which was published in November 2004. Again, the United Nations Environmental Programme has undertaken initiatives to promote integration of FFT and bus priority measures in a number of developing countries on the basis of proven technologies. Moreover, countries in Europe have been actively supporting sustainable transport by discouraging car use and promoting public transport, walking and cycling. 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Name: Rickshaw_Free_Roads_Polls_Factor.doc Type: application/msword Size: 39424 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051201/8c0992b2/Rickshaw_Free_Roads_Polls_Factor-0001.doc From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Wed Dec 7 17:27:43 2005 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 16:27:43 +0800 Subject: [sustran] FW: New Highways in India Message-ID: <0C270D0ABD2B8B44900A88DE0887F49AD93DAE@MBOX01.stf.nus.edu.sg> This from another list seems like it would be of interest here. Paul > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Gould > Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 8:58 AM > Subject: New Highways in India > > The following excerpt from the NY Times on 12/4, an article > on the construction of limited access highways in India, > contains an articulate explanation (by Amy Waldman) of the > different character of types of highways. > > In the village of Kaushambi, in Uttar Pradesh, Anil Kumar, a > 34-year-old shopkeeper, watched truck traffic speed by on the > widened highway and explained how the artery's revamping had > reconfigured long-held local geography. > > Because vehicles rarely traveled at more than 25 miles an > hour, village life had always happened on both sides of the > road. The two-lane highway inhabited space, but did not > define it. The railway station and village hand pump were on > one side, the school and fields on the other. Women roamed > across the land, indifferent to whether soil or asphalt was > beneath their feet, gathering wood, water, the harvest. > > In India roads have been public spaces, home to the logical > chaos that governs so much of life. They have been commas, > not periods, pauses, not breaks. > > The redone highway has challenged that, trying to impose > borders and linearity, sometimes controlling pedestrian (and > bovine) access to ensure drivers' speed. In Kaushambi, the > highway planners put concrete walls on both sides to ensure > that neither crossing pedestrians nor trucks stopping to shop > would slow traffic. There were cuts every 380 yards or so, > requiring detours for crossing. Cars and trucks sped along at > 70 or 80 miles an hour. > From zvi at inro.ca Fri Dec 9 02:03:30 2005 From: zvi at inro.ca (Zvi Leve) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2005 12:03:30 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: New Highways in India Message-ID: <43986762.6090703@inro.ca> After a number of attempts, I hope that my first posting to this forum will now get through! I've enjoyed lurking here for some time now, and I think that some of you may find the Cafe L'Urbanite "chat forum" mentioned below interesting as well. Unfortunately that site was hacked recently and all of the old threads were lost. In general that forum is dedicated to photographs of urban scenes (in particular from Montreal, due to a certain concentration of active people here), but there are often quite interesting threads related to urban issues in general, and not exclusively in the "developed" countries. In case anyone would care to read and/or discuss this topic further, I have reposted the complete text from a number of articles in this series on Cafe L'Urbanite . Zvi sustran-discuss@yahoogroups.com wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Larry Gould >>Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2005 8:58 AM >>Subject: New Highways in India >> >>The following excerpt from the NY Times on 12/4, an article >>on the construction of limited access highways in India, >>contains an articulate explanation (by Amy Waldman) of the >>different character of types of highways. >> >> ... From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Dec 13 16:49:37 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:49:37 +0100 Subject: [sustran] express toll roads + Robert Moses and the NMA In-Reply-To: <200512122124.jBCLO1L1059765@britton1.securesites.net> Message-ID: <021401c5ffb9$c5aa9290$6401a8c0@Home> 1. TOLL ROADS Somebody help me here on the first one of these, because my take on it is so terribly simple that I must be missing something important. Which of the following statements is sufficiently wrong that what we have to do is give up and let them build their new roads anywhere and as they wish? 1. In a modern democratic society with many charges to assure well-being and social justice, it is only "fair" to put "full cost" prices on all scarce goods, including those which are funded through taxpayer contributions such as roads - covering all of the well known externalities. No argument this side of the religious right and maddog left, okay? 2. (As a nuance, the price should also cover the cost of collection, which can lead to more subtle distinctions but that we can handle case by case.) 3. Given the information and analytic tools we now have at our disposal it is pretty easy to distinguish situations in which new roads are really needed and justified -- but in places like the Northeast of the States, or many parts of Europe, this justification on a level playing field is going to be pretty hard to find. 4. So, the only remaining question is where and how to collect. 5. This is a classic 'politics of transportation' challenge (but that's what we are supposed to be doing here anyway). 6. And what about this as a possible wrinkle to be considered? 7. In addition to NOT using "toll justifications for unnecessary additional investments", including by private entities charged with the whole lot, we rather introduce something along the order of orderly "escalator charges" when we bring the tolls in on existing roads. These would start at a low level, maybe just enough to cover the costs of collection in a first instance. But then proceed over our set period, let's take a ten year period as an example to argue, to bring the rates up to the level (very high it usually turns out) so that the users will in good time be paying full costs. 8. This gives all the players plenty of time to adjust their habits - and at the same time for the responsible public sector to bring in new more environmental and "space efficient" (that phrase keeps coming up) transportation alternatives. 9. Note: In an ideal world, that escalator will be set by law (and popular support) so that some later group of politicos cannot come in and sweep it away because they now have their hands in the cookie jar. B. The new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses: I have been thinking about Robert Moses, who one pretty good reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses) characterizes as "master builder .. and shaper of a modern city". Moses was, as many of you know, not only a great road guy, but also a master of political manipulation to make sure that his agenda got done ("if the ends don't justify the means, what does?"). Other times, other heroes, but that's not the point here. My late night thinking just concluded was suggesting that "what we need" today is a Robert Moses - someone who can make the New Mobility Agenda (call it what you will) happen. Hmm. And hmm again. The trick of course is that Moses performance was made possible by the fact that he was distributing great gobs of contracts and money, which fed in this case not so much into his personal bank account (he was on to other forms of satisfaction) but into those of his political backers. This made for a very powerful industrial/political machine indeed. Now back to new mobility, which unlike old mobility is characterized by its general parsimoniousness. Indeed, to a good extent that's what it's all about. So where and how do we get the new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses? Item for discussion? Eric Britton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051213/3a6cc9bf/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Dec 13 23:25:36 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:25:36 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Express toll roads + More on . . . Message-ID: <03fd01c5fff1$18918b80$6401a8c0@Home> In my book, you get 4.5 out of 5 for your fine closing policy checklist Ryan -- for which I thank you very much. But where do we differ? After all we have so many common, shared goals. Here is the one (half a) point where I see the rub: I love trams by whatever name and feel that indeed they have their place in and around our cities-- but that is a very specific place and should not be allowed to be interpreted as the substitute for sliced bread. What's wrong with all-light rail in this overall strategic context? Two things (again in my book): a. They cost a great deal more than other solutions which can do at least as good and perhaps a better job in terms of all the basic parameters that we need to address and meet - social, economics (of individuals and the community as a whole), environmental, resource. Public health, life quality, community.. .. and of course the long list goes on. b. And it takes a lot of time to get them in place. (Anywhere from five to ten years on average - and that's a long time to put up with a situation which we should be, and can be, tackling today. So I vote for everything that you have plotted in your note -with the slight wrinkle that where you say "convert existing highways" we get to work to make our existing highways environmental and economically efficient carriers. Which of course is what we are trying to encourage with the Kyoto 20/20 program. And if this has not yet got a higher profile in the international debate, I guess it's because I have not yet worked either hard enough or smart enough on this. Because it is, you have to admit, just about the only show in town. ;-) Eric Britton -----Original Message----- From: Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ryan McGreal Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:56 PM To: Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com; Eric Britton Subject: Re: [Kyoto2020] Express toll roads + Robert Moses and the NMA Quoting Eric Britton : > Somebody please help me here on the first one of these, because my take on > it is so terribly simple that I must be missing something important. I've been grappling with this too. Here's a tentative take. > Which of the following statements is sufficiently wrong that what we have to > do is give up and let them build their new roads anywhere and as they wish? > 1. In a modern democratic society with many charges to assure > well-being and social justice, it is only "fair" to put "full cost" prices > on all scarce goods, including those which are funded through taxpayer > contributions such as roads - covering all of the well known externalities. > No argument this side of the religious right and maddog left, okay? Transportation is a true public good. Like education and health care, it does not simply benefit its direct recipients, but benefits everyone through a stronger, more robust economy. However, just as not all types of education are equal, so not all types of transportation are equal, either. A public school system that teaches archery and harmonics might be appropriate and useful for ancient Athenians, but it wouldn't benefit a modern industrial society. A transportation system that consumes massive amounts of fossil fuels, produces air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, and encourages sprawl development (with all the social and economic ails that implies) causes enormous costs to our society, no matter who "pays" for it. Society as a whole will have to bear the burden of the many externalities not covered by the tolls. In any case, the "free market" argument falls apart since the government still either owns the highway or else creates it in "partnership" with private companies. In the latter case, the government assumes the risks while the "partner" enjoys the profits - hardly market forces at work. In fact, this used to be called "cronyism" and "pork barreling" before it was entrenched as official policy. Finally, a transportation system should work for everyone who needs to use it. Consider the impacts of a toll system - especially a system that charges higher rates during peak demand - on the working poor, who often cannot afford to live close to where they work and do not have the flexibility to telecommute or work off-normal hours. Already squeezed by rising gasoline, natural gas, and electricity prices, many could be driven out of the workforce by additional toll charges. So: the government, as a representative of the public, has a duty to provide and otherwise encourage the kinds of transportation that will benefit the society and the economy as a whole, and the government is the only entity big enough to produce or facilitate the production of something as big and comprehensive as transportation infrastructure. A good transportation system a) works efficiently; b) is cost effective; c) is affordable; and d) encourages sustainable development, especially around its access nodes. The toll highway concept is just a more expensive iteration of the status quo. A successful model for encouraging more sustainable transportation is already emerging: 1) Stop building highways. 2) Start to convert existing highways into light rail lines (think of all the infill development that can take place where the massive "cloverleaf" interchanges are) and commercial rail networks. 3) Throw out the zoning codes and replace them with form based codes that encourage a healthy density and bring multiple functions in close proximity. 4) Establish a firm urban boundary and stick to it. 5) Widen the sidewalks, narrow the streets, and plant lots and lots of trees. Regards, Ryan McGreal Editor, Raise the Hammer http://www.raisethehammer.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051213/713b7512/attachment.html From litman at vtpi.org Wed Dec 14 00:55:10 2005 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Alexander Litman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:55:10 -0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: express toll roads + Robert Moses and the NMA In-Reply-To: <021401c5ffb9$c5aa9290$6401a8c0@Home> References: <200512122124.jBCLO1L1059765@britton1.securesites.net> <021401c5ffb9$c5aa9290$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051213073904.054b0640@mail.islandnet.com> The economic theory is easy enough, the problem is political: how to convince citizens to support fees for something they are accustomed to getting for free (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm35.htm ). The demand curve for automobile travel has a very long tail, meaning that if the price is low enough consumers will continue to increase their vehicle mileage and demand more road capacity, although the net benefits to consumers are small, and negative when all costs (including externalities) are considered. Automobile travel demand is actually quite price sensitive, although most of the costs are fixed and so individual fees (fuel taxes, road tolls, etc.) seem relatively inelastic. In other words, motorists demand more road capacity as long as somebody else subsidizes their facilities, but when charged the full marginal costs of constructing new roadways (including, as you point out overhead costs such as maintenance and fee collection) the demand disappears. It would be more efficient overall to price existing roads to limit demand, and only build roads where, after this is done the increased capacity would be funded through user fees. However, it is politically difficult to impose fees on currently unpriced roads, although it is possible if voters receive some indirect benefit, such as reduced general taxes or improved transit service (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm70.htm ). Toll proponents claim, correctly, that it is more fair and efficient to price new roadway capacity than to continue to give it away, as is generally done. However, they often oppose the truly efficient strategy, which is to price existing roadways as a way to test consumers willingness-to-pay for existing demand. The challenge we face is to find ways to begin pricing existing road capacity. Any equity issues are easily addressed, based on how revenues are used (see http://www.vtpi.org/revenue.pdf ). Best wishes, -Todd Litman At 11:49 PM 12/12/2005, Eric Britton wrote: >1. TOLL ROADS > >Somebody help me here on the first one of these, >because my take on it is so terribly simple that >I must be missing something important. > >Which of the following statements is >sufficiently wrong that what we have to do is >give up and let them build their new roads anywhere and as they wish? > > * In a modern democratic society with many > charges to assure well-being and social > justice, it is only ?fair? to put ?full cost? > prices on all scarce goods, including those > which are funded through taxpayer contributions > such as roads ? covering all of the well known > externalities. No argument this side of the > religious right and maddog left, okay? > * (As a nuance, the price should also cover > the cost of collection, which can lead to more > subtle distinctions but that we can handle case by case.) > * Given the information and analytic tools > we now have at our disposal it is pretty easy > to distinguish situations in which new roads > are really needed and justified -- but in > places like the Northeast of the States, or > many parts of Europe, this justification on a > level playing field is going to be pretty hard to find. > * So, the only remaining question is where and how to collect. > * This is a classic ?politics of > transportation? challenge (but that?s what we > are supposed to be doing here anyway). > * And what about this as a possible wrinkle to be considered? > * In addition to NOT using ?toll > justifications for unnecessary additional > investments?, including by private entities > charged with the whole lot, we rather introduce > something along the order of orderly ?escalator > charges? when we bring the tolls in on existing > roads. These would start at a low level, maybe > just enough to cover the costs of collection in > a first instance. But then proceed over our set > period, let?s take a ten year period as an > example to argue, to bring the rates up to the > level (very high it usually turns out) so that > the users will in good time be paying full costs. > * This gives all the players plenty of time > to adjust their habits ? and at the same time > for the responsible public sector to bring in > new more environmental and ?space efficient? > (that phrase keeps coming up) transportation alternatives. > * Note: In an ideal world, that escalator > will be set by law (and popular support) so > that some later group of politicos cannot come > in and sweep it away because they now have their hands in the cookie jar. > > >B. The new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses: > >I have been thinking about Robert Moses, who one >pretty good reference >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses) >characterizes as ?master builder .. and shaper >of a modern city?. Moses was, as many of you >know, not only a great road guy, but also a >master of political manipulation to make sure >that his agenda got done ("if the ends don't >justify the means, what does?"). Other times, >other heroes, but that?s not the point here. > >My late night thinking just concluded was >suggesting that ?what we need? today is a Robert >Moses ? someone who can make the New Mobility >Agenda (call it what you will) happen. > >Hmm. And hmm again. > >The trick of course is that Moses performance >was made possible by the fact that he was >distributing great gobs of contracts and money, >which fed in this case not so much into his >personal bank account (he was on to other forms >of satisfaction) but into those of his political >backers. This made for a very powerful industrial/political machine indeed. > >Now back to new mobility, which unlike old >mobility is characterized by its general >parsimoniousness. Indeed, to a good extent that?s what it?s all about. > >So where and how do we get the new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses? > >Item for discussion? > >Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion >of people-centred, equitable and sustainable >transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of >the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. Sincerely, Todd Alexander Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA ?Efficiency - Equity - Clarity? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051213/4c06f789/attachment.html From litman at vtpi.org Wed Dec 14 00:55:10 2005 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Alexander Litman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:55:10 -0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: express toll roads + Robert Moses and the NMA In-Reply-To: <021401c5ffb9$c5aa9290$6401a8c0@Home> References: <200512122124.jBCLO1L1059765@britton1.securesites.net> <021401c5ffb9$c5aa9290$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20051213073904.054b0640@mail.islandnet.com> The economic theory is easy enough, the problem is political: how to convince citizens to support fees for something they are accustomed to getting for free (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm35.htm ). The demand curve for automobile travel has a very long tail, meaning that if the price is low enough consumers will continue to increase their vehicle mileage and demand more road capacity, although the net benefits to consumers are small, and negative when all costs (including externalities) are considered. Automobile travel demand is actually quite price sensitive, although most of the costs are fixed and so individual fees (fuel taxes, road tolls, etc.) seem relatively inelastic. In other words, motorists demand more road capacity as long as somebody else subsidizes their facilities, but when charged the full marginal costs of constructing new roadways (including, as you point out overhead costs such as maintenance and fee collection) the demand disappears. It would be more efficient overall to price existing roads to limit demand, and only build roads where, after this is done the increased capacity would be funded through user fees. However, it is politically difficult to impose fees on currently unpriced roads, although it is possible if voters receive some indirect benefit, such as reduced general taxes or improved transit service (http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/tdm70.htm ). Toll proponents claim, correctly, that it is more fair and efficient to price new roadway capacity than to continue to give it away, as is generally done. However, they often oppose the truly efficient strategy, which is to price existing roadways as a way to test consumers willingness-to-pay for existing demand. The challenge we face is to find ways to begin pricing existing road capacity. Any equity issues are easily addressed, based on how revenues are used (see http://www.vtpi.org/revenue.pdf ). Best wishes, -Todd Litman At 11:49 PM 12/12/2005, Eric Britton wrote: >1. TOLL ROADS > >Somebody help me here on the first one of these, >because my take on it is so terribly simple that >I must be missing something important. > >Which of the following statements is >sufficiently wrong that what we have to do is >give up and let them build their new roads anywhere and as they wish? > > * In a modern democratic society with many > charges to assure well-being and social > justice, it is only ?fair? to put ?full cost? > prices on all scarce goods, including those > which are funded through taxpayer contributions > such as roads ? covering all of the well known > externalities. No argument this side of the > religious right and maddog left, okay? > * (As a nuance, the price should also cover > the cost of collection, which can lead to more > subtle distinctions but that we can handle case by case.) > * Given the information and analytic tools > we now have at our disposal it is pretty easy > to distinguish situations in which new roads > are really needed and justified -- but in > places like the Northeast of the States, or > many parts of Europe, this justification on a > level playing field is going to be pretty hard to find. > * So, the only remaining question is where and how to collect. > * This is a classic ?politics of > transportation? challenge (but that?s what we > are supposed to be doing here anyway). > * And what about this as a possible wrinkle to be considered? > * In addition to NOT using ?toll > justifications for unnecessary additional > investments?, including by private entities > charged with the whole lot, we rather introduce > something along the order of orderly ?escalator > charges? when we bring the tolls in on existing > roads. These would start at a low level, maybe > just enough to cover the costs of collection in > a first instance. But then proceed over our set > period, let?s take a ten year period as an > example to argue, to bring the rates up to the > level (very high it usually turns out) so that > the users will in good time be paying full costs. > * This gives all the players plenty of time > to adjust their habits ? and at the same time > for the responsible public sector to bring in > new more environmental and ?space efficient? > (that phrase keeps coming up) transportation alternatives. > * Note: In an ideal world, that escalator > will be set by law (and popular support) so > that some later group of politicos cannot come > in and sweep it away because they now have their hands in the cookie jar. > > >B. The new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses: > >I have been thinking about Robert Moses, who one >pretty good reference >(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses) >characterizes as ?master builder .. and shaper >of a modern city?. Moses was, as many of you >know, not only a great road guy, but also a >master of political manipulation to make sure >that his agenda got done ("if the ends don't >justify the means, what does?"). Other times, >other heroes, but that?s not the point here. > >My late night thinking just concluded was >suggesting that ?what we need? today is a Robert >Moses ? someone who can make the New Mobility >Agenda (call it what you will) happen. > >Hmm. And hmm again. > >The trick of course is that Moses performance >was made possible by the fact that he was >distributing great gobs of contracts and money, >which fed in this case not so much into his >personal bank account (he was on to other forms >of satisfaction) but into those of his political >backers. This made for a very powerful industrial/political machine indeed. > >Now back to new mobility, which unlike old >mobility is characterized by its general >parsimoniousness. Indeed, to a good extent that?s what it?s all about. > >So where and how do we get the new mobility surrogate for Bob Moses? > >Item for discussion? > >Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > >================================================================ >SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion >of people-centred, equitable and sustainable >transport with a focus on developing countries >(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of >the list, the main focus is on urban transport policy in Asia. Sincerely, Todd Alexander Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA ?Efficiency - Equity - Clarity? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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D.C., Colombia Tel: +57 (1) 635 9048 / 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 635 9015 / 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: carlos.pardo@sutp.org P?gina: www.sutp.org - Visite nuestra nueva secci?n de Latinoam?rica y el Caribe en http://www.sutp.org/esp/espindex.htm - ?nase al grupo de discusi?n de Transporte Sostenible en Latinoam?rica en http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sustranlac/join -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051219/04793c31/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Dec 22 06:07:33 2005 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:07:33 +0100 Subject: [sustran] "put our brains" together, for the benefit of all Message-ID: <000101c60672$92b12880$6401a8c0@Home> Dear Fearless New Mobility Idea People, If you pop into the site today, you will see a major new addition (on the top menu): a series of links to something called a Wikipedia , and at the end of the day is nothing more (hah!) than a peer-produced, expert, 100% open encyclopedia article on our challenging topic (and its many extensions). This is the latest wrinkle in our soon twenty-year long struggle here at The Commons and the New Mobility Agenda to find ways to build up an informal international expert consortium to "put our brains" together, for the benefit of all. So, I invite you to give it a try and then let me have your ideas on how to extend and improve. It already represents a pretty fair start (That's the editor talking about his own stuff), but there is plenty of room for you to join in. With clarifications and additions at all levels, You will also find on that page some clean links to background information on how to access and use the Wikipedia for this and other purposes. I consider this an important step, and part of what I plan to be a major overhaul of the entire New Mobility Agenda program. Until now we have depended too much on one "center". Hey, it's the 21st century and the real thing no longer works like that. So let's get going on a Self-Organizing Collaborative Network!!! Off we go! eb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051221/818f3021/attachment.html From whook at itdp.org Thu Dec 22 06:25:31 2005 From: whook at itdp.org (Walter Hook) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:25:31 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: "put our brains" together, for the benefit of all In-Reply-To: <000101c60672$92b12880$6401a8c0@Home> Message-ID: <001201c60675$129c47d0$c301a8c0@DFJLYL81> This is a good idea. Wikipedia seems to pop up with all kinds of useful and obscure information some of which may even be true! w. -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric Britton Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:08 PM To: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Cc: Sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] "put our brains" together, for the benefit of all Dear Fearless New Mobility Idea People, If you pop into the site today, you will see a major new addition (on the top menu): a series of links to something called a Wikipedia , and at the end of the day is nothing more (hah!) than a peer-produced, expert, 100% open encyclopedia article on our challenging topic (and its many extensions). This is the latest wrinkle in our soon twenty-year long struggle here at The Commons and the New Mobility Agenda to find ways to build up an informal international expert consortium to "put our brains" together, for the benefit of all. So, I invite you to give it a try and then let me have your ideas on how to extend and improve. It already represents a pretty fair start (That's the editor talking about his own stuff), but there is plenty of room for you to join in. With clarifications and additions at all levels, You will also find on that page some clean links to background information on how to access and use the Wikipedia for this and other purposes. I consider this an important step, and part of what I plan to be a major overhaul of the entire New Mobility Agenda program. Until now we have depended too much on one "center". Hey, it's the 21st century and the real thing no longer works like that. So let's get going on a Self-Organizing Collaborative Network!!! Off we go! eb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20051221/2daecc4a/attachment.html From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Thu Dec 22 19:15:22 2005 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:15:22 +0800 Subject: [sustran] New blog on urban transport issues for Asia Message-ID: <0C270D0ABD2B8B44900A88DE0887F49AEF469C@MBOX01.stf.nus.edu.sg> Dear sustran-discuss colleagues and friends I have taken the plunge (or should I say, jumped on the bandwagon?) and started a 'topical blog' on urban transport in Asia or for Asia. http://urbantransportasia.blogspot.com/ I have made a start with a few posts already and would be interested in any feedback. So if you have the time, please take a look and maybe drop a comment on the blog site. 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