<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Below my original answer to the issue of Metrocable (which may have not come through). I know that at the beginning of the Metrocable there were many tourists, but now it does serve as a true transport mode to people who live in the hills. I wouldn't say that this goes to a touristic destination, but rather to one of the most dangerous places on earth ("las comunas nororientales"). Below more details from my earlier response, and I'm sure Ramón can shed more light on this and may have more details. -------- Original Message -------- <pre>Interesting point. To provide some context, the Metrocable system in Medellín must be better explained to everyone: it is not a monorail, it is a telpher system which feeds into the metro, and was built mainly because the slope of the "comunas" (neighborhoods) it serves are extremely steep. The same is being planned as a feeder system to the Metrocali BRT in Cali (Colombia also), in similar areas and specifically because of the same reason (and because they want to get rid of the informal low capacity jeeps that charge very high fares to go up the hills). I am not sure about the demand figures of Metrocable (it's difficult or impossible to get their official data), and Cali has not yet finalised planning of the telpher feeder so I cannot comment on the actual comparison of the bus / jeep routes that serve(d) those areas. I am not sure if the Metrocable has comparable demand of a moderate LRT or a bus route... Mr Brunn, do you have specific data on this to illustrate it? Official website of the Metrocable and some pictures to give everyone a better idea: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.metrodemedellin.org.co/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&id_link=165&parent_link=153&Itemid=165?=es">http://www.metrodemedellin.org.co/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&id_link=165&parent_link=153&Itemid=165?=es</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.metrodemedellin.org.co/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&id_link=165&parent_link=153&Itemid=165&lang=es"><http://www.metrodemedellin.org.co/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=61&id_link=165&parent_link=153&Itemid=165&lang=es></a> Best regards, Carlos. </pre> Lee Schipper wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:B633EDB4-0248-4840-91B7-E5E6ED07996E@wri.org" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Let me ask someone who really knows Colombia: Ramon? Lee Schipper Global Met Studies UC Berkeley Precourt En Eff Center Stanford On Jan 31, 2010, at 20:01, "Sujit Patwardhan" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com"><patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com ></a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap=""> Eric, >From what I can see the Metro Cable in Medellin, Columbia is more suited to tourists than regular commuters. For latter, wouldn't space for stations, connectivity with the street below and other associated problems need to be addressed? Google search gave this: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&q=Metro+Cable+in+Medellin,+Columbia&start=10&sa=N&fp=c5b9ba6cbe6cba1e">http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&q=Metro+Cable+in+Medellin,+Columbia&start=10&sa=N&fp=c5b9ba6cbe6cba1e</a> -- Sujit On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:24 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruun@seas.upenn.edu"><bruun@seas.upenn.edu></a> wrote: I want to add that some of the aerial systems have substantial capacity. Metro Cable in Medellin, Columbia is equal to a heavy bus route or moderate LRT route in the US. Eric Bruun Quoting Lee Schipper <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:schipper@wri.org"><schipper@wri.org></a>: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Let me weigh in on Eric Britton's side here. There are all kinds of high-flying ideas, called Pods or personal taxis or rail taxis or personal rapid transit or what-you-have. They are all interesting, </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">but </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">as Eric says their scale is tiny compared to the access needs of two billion people in cities around the world. I remember taking the Monorail from the Disneyland Hotel into Disneyland in S. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">California in </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">the 1950s. I rode the Schwebebahn in Wuppertal in 1999 and recently rode the experimental, low-speed Maglev in Nagoya near the site of </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">Expo </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">2005. There are serious studies underway in Sweden and elsewhere </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">because </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">these things have some merit. But so far that's as far as it goes. They are fine for those who want to build them and don't care who </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">rides </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">them, particularly if they are built to shuttle small numbers of </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">people </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">around fairgrounds, parking lots, etc. But please let's not waste </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">even </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">precious OPM (Other peoples' money, i.e., bilateral or multilateral assistance funds) or our own funds when a huge need for access for ordinary folks goes unmet. For Asian and Latin America cities, we </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">are </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">looking at corridors requiring over 1 million trips per day and </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">cities </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">with 20-30 million trips/day at the beginning of development, </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">i.e., less </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">than 2 trips/day/person. How will Shanghai provide 50 million </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">trips/day </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">in 2020? I don't see any evidence that these small systems can </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">provide </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">much relief except where an aerial tramway or other small system </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">has to </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">climb a hill for a few hundred people/hour. The "nostalgic, semi-underground cog-railway in Istanbul is a good example here. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap="">But </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">we have to focus what limited funds we have on moving the masses cleanly, smoothly, reliably, equitably, and above all rapidly. 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