<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> re: <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm"><http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm></a> </pre> YES, thanks, Carlos... that story could have said instead  "Beijing aims for no more than 50% automobile modal share!" -- with little cycling or even walking mentioned its a half-empty cup. This cycling or PT modal share thing is too simplistic, its not keeping up with development, nor language... to refer to the theme of a sister List, I think it's an Old Mobility way of talking about transport.. Many cities in Europe have a very high modal share of public transport (Around 40% in Prague) or cycling  (About 30 to 35% in Amsterdam and Copenhagen) but which cities have BOTH at those levels... and thus a very low private automobile modal share? And how about in some developing cities outside of Europe, where a lot of people can afford a car? And now the flip side... With a Europe-based mobility consultant I was discussing the "Charter of Brussels"  launched at the recent Velo-City <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.velo-city2009.com/charter-brussels.html"><http://www.velo-city2009.com/charter-brussels.html></a> + <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.velo-city2009.com/assets/files/VC09-charter-of-brussels.pdf"><http://www.velo-city2009.com/assets/files/VC09-charter-of-brussels.pdf></a> which has one of its main features a commitment for cities which sign it to set a goal of a 15% modal share of cycling (or higher if that share is already achieved) by 2020. The Charter makes no mention of where these cyclists will come from and in fact at best only mentions public transport as one of several "other stakeholders". In a city with development policies, a commercial real estate industry and consumer behaviour which creates large - though still not peripheral  - shopping centres at the expense of highly distributed small stores, an increase of cycling could simply come at the decrease of walking. No achievement at all unless you are trying to sell bikes or get people used to moving faster. Sure, this is an extreme case. The consultant suggested  to me - something I would call Newer Mobility if not quite a totally un-Old Mobility way of thinking  - that better would be to set a decreasing automobile modal share as the main goal. This would tend to create a joint project of walking, cycling, public transport AND dense urban planning actors - and together they could try to agree on goals for an increasing, composite, non-private automobile modal share which everyone would be happy with. Which cities or regions are already doing this? Regards, Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory, Ex-Prussia and Occupied Mexico Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:4A339860.8050202@gmail.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi, An interesting question is if they in Beijing expect the future public transport users to come from cars or bicycles... this is seldom answered (or asked) in any of these schemes and remains a problem. In many places I've asked that question and they normally say that future bicycle users will come from public transport, or the opposite. And when they say that bicycle or public transport users will come from cars, they have no idea how this will be achieved. Beijing used to have an extremely high mode share of bicycle use some years ago, and it has now fallen to pieces due to the "promotion" of cars. So is promoting public transport good or bad in this scenario? I mean, will they end up with no one riding bicycles and the rest in cars or buses? Not sure if it's the win-win situation. Carlos. Sudhir wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">/Beijing has set a target, how about other cities??/ see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm">http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm</a> Beijing will transform into a "public transport city" by 2015. In peak hours, the minimum departure interval for subway trains will be shortened to 2 minutes; the waiting time at bus stops will be reduced to 3 to 5 minutes; public transport will account for 45 percent of the journeys in downtown areas. "Beijing's implementation plan on humanistic, technological and green transport" (from 2009 to 2015) was recently reviewed and approved by the Standing Committee of CPC Beijing Municipal Committee, unveiling the "public transport city". Beijing will transform into a "public transport city" by 2015. Public transport will account for 45 percent of the journeys in downtown areas According to the plan, from 2009 to 2015, Beijing will construct a new transport system meeting the capital city's needs for development, by implementing four major projects including rail transit network project. By then, the public transport will become remarkably more attractive. Public transport will account for 45 percent of the journeys in downtown areas, while over 50 percent of the journeys will be via public transport during the commuting period. Rail transit will undertake around 50 percent of total passenger traffic of public transport, and the average daily passenger flow by rail transit and bus combined will be over 25 million; building a transport circle of "1-1-2" hours means that the average commuting time within the downtown area will be no more than 1 hour, the travel time from the furthest new towns to the Fifth Ring Road will be no more than 1 hour, and the travel time from Beijing to major cities in the Bohai Bay Rim economic region will be less than 2 hours. The total amount of major pollutants emitted by vehicles will be lower than that in 2008. 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