<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m = "http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.18702"> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Cambria Math; } @font-face { font-family: Calibri; } @font-face { font-family: Consolas; } @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt } LI.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt } DIV.MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; mso-style-priority: 99 } P.MsoListParagraph { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-style-priority: 34 } LI.MsoListParagraph { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-style-priority: 34 } DIV.MsoListParagraph { MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; mso-style-priority: 34 } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: windowtext; mso-style-type: personal-compose } .MsoChpDefault { mso-style-type: export-only } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } OL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm } UL { MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-AU link=blue bgColor=#ffffff vLink=purple> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dear Paul, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks for stimulating this discussion. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- I agree that there should be clearer regional focus. I support the suggestion from Carlos about 'Global South'. I think there is great value in sharing challenges, practice, experience, and opinion across the continents. I note that some not-so-south locations share characteristics of society or transportation</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- I would not exclude contribution of experience from 'Global North' - i.e. from North America, Europe and Australia/NZ (which of course are the most South of all). However, they should be in an 'additive' way to discussion which keeps its focus on the target regions</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- We need to avoid analysis or judgement which uses the perspective and value set of 'Global North' to comment on 'Global South', except in cases where this is clearly useful and adds value</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>- We should exclude the use of Sustran forum by 'Global North' participants as yet another place to fight out their own old arguments</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I join with others to warmly congratulate you on achieving 10 years of Sustran.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>With best wishes, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Brendan.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________<BR>Brendan Finn          e-mail : <A href="mailto:etts@indigo.ie">etts@indigo.ie</A>          tel : +353.87.2530286</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=paulbarter@nus.edu.sg href="mailto:paulbarter@nus.edu.sg">Paul Barter</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=Sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org href="mailto:Sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org">Sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 05, 2009 10:15 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Regional focus for sustran-discuss: Asia or the globalSouth?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal>Dear sustran-discussers<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>There is a suggestion to rethink the geographical focus of this forum, sustran-discuss.   <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><B>I want your views on which regional focus would be best for sustran-discuss:</B><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>A.    Should we be clearer about our regional focus in order to keep the discussions more focused and consistently “on topic”? <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>B.     If you said yes to A above, then which of the following do you prefer? <o:p></o:p></P> <P style="TEXT-INDENT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal>1.   Keep things as they are:  we say in our blurb that our focus is on developing countries<o:p></o:p></P> <P style="TEXT-INDENT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal>2.   Revert to the original focus on “Asia” (rich and poor alike)<o:p></o:p></P> <P style="TEXT-INDENT: 36pt" class=MsoNormal>3.   Other ways to define our regional focus? (I am open to suggestions)<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><B>WHY BOTHER THINKING ABOUT A CHANGE?<o:p></o:p></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal>* We started with an Asia focus, which we mostly still have, even though the list description says we focus on the ‘global South’ (developing countries).  <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>So, in practice, 2 probably reflects the discussions here more accurately than 1. So maybe switching to “Asia” would be clearer? High-income Asian cities (Japanese, Korean, Taiwanese, HK and Singapore) often come up and they certainly feel relevant enough even if they are not in developing countries.<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>* In practice, we don’t really get much material here on Africa, Latin America, south-western Asia or Eastern Europe anyway.  <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>* Also in practice, we get a bit TOO much discussion on issues in the West (Europe, North America, Australia/NZ) and we often need to remind everyone that there are various other forums better suited to such material. <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>Your views? <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal>Paul<o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt" lang=EN-US>Paul A. 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