Dear Todd:let me answer your question ("PLEASE, can you help explain their rationale for being involved? Successful businesses don't just randomly create and place imagery related to their brand and products.") briefly:There are different reasons, I suppose:a) Mayor Dr. Schuster urged the CEOs of these companies from Stuttgart to support this initiative of the City of Stuttgart, so they hardly could say no;b) These companies have also understood that new solutions to mobility problems need to be found - we seek those solutions within Cities for Mobility;c) These companies surely hope to have a sort of greenwashing effects and a contribution to their corporate social responsibility efforts from being Premium Partner of Cities for Mobility.No matter what reasons exactly made them join our network, the important thing is what we are doing here. CfM is an open platform, i.e. means you are invited to enrich it with your (better) initiatives. But if you're not interested in CfM then please stop also drawing a negative picture of our work without knowing it. I liked that saying that I heard once as it perfectly fits to the decentralised approach of a network where many pro-active leaders are needed:"Either lead, follow, or get out of my way!";-)Regards,Rainer ----------------------- Join the Cities for Mobility online forum: <a target="_blank" href="http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility">http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility</a> Cities-for-Mobility-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------- Dr. Rainer Rothfuss Coordinator of International Relations ----------------------- Coordination Office Cities for Mobility State Capital Stuttgart ----------------------- Postal address: D-70161 Stuttgart GERMANY Tel.: +49-8381-891-68 38 Fax: +49-8381-891-68 39 Mob: +49-177-894 08 04 Skype: rainer.rothfuss rothfuss@cities-for-mobility.net www.cities-for-mobility.netMessage from "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" <edelman@greenidea.eu>: > Hi Patrick, hi all, > > I thank you for the invite to Stuttgart. I believe I understand how it > works there, and I have been to a lot of professional sustainable > transport-related events, and I know people who attend CfM events. I > have already explained my reasons for opting out, and will hopefully > explain this more precisely in my delayed response to Rainer. Just one > comment for now, see below. > > Patrick.Daude@stuttgart.de wrote: >> >> Dear Todd, >> >> [...] > >> Our Premium Partners do note have any influence on the topics that >> are treated within the network. > > [...] > > PLEASE, can you help explain their rationale for being involved? > Successful businesses don't just randomly create and place imagery > related to their brand and products. I may ask Rainer the same question > - and I encourage others on this List etc. to answer it - but I will > keep this email short. > > Thanks, > T > > >> Best wishes, >> Patrick Daude >> >> >> Coordinator Global Network "Cities for Mobility" >> City Hall of Stuttgart, Germany >> Mayor's Policy Office >> Policy Coordination and Planning >> Rathaus, Marktplatz 1 >> D-70173 Stuttgart >> >> Telephone: +49 711/ 216 - 85 01 >> Fax: +49 711/ 216 - 61 05 >> E-Mail: patrick.daude@stuttgart.de >> Website: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cities-for-mobility.org">http://www.cities-for-mobility.org</a> >> >> ----- Weitergeleitet von Patrick Daude/OB-S/LHS/DE am 27.11.2008 11:30 ----- >> *"pdaude78" <patrick.daude@stuttgart.de>* >> Gesendet von: notify@yahoogroups.com >> >> 27.11.2008 10:33 >> >> >> An >> patrick.daude@stuttgart.de, wolfgang.forderer@stuttgart.de, >> n.leyva@stuttgart.de >> Kopie >> >> Thema >> Fwd: Re: [sustran] Re: CDM Projects (Clean Development Mechanism) >> - public tran >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In Cities-for-Mobility@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Rainer Rothfuss" >> <rothfuss@...> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Todd Edelmann, >> >> sorry for expressing myself so directly but your evaluation of >> "Cities for Mobility" has absolutely nothing to do with the reality: >> >> You say: "I am convinced that the whole project - no matter how >> inclusive-seeming - is in large part a greenwashing exercise for >> the Stuttgart-based automobile industry" >> >> CfM is a municipal initiative and we, as masterminds behind the >> network, feel 100% committed to greening urban mobility and not >> feeding any kind of industry. But, to be honest, without the money >> we receive from some private firms, including our local car >> producers, we could not work without membership fees and invite >> members from Africa, Asia and Latina America for free (other city >> networks charge 8.000 Euros per year, no matter from where you >> are!). >> >> The companies that help us to finance the work of the Municipality >> of Stuttgart within the framework of CfM have agreed to give us >> their support without asking anything in return. There is not even >> a council or something where they could bring in their views or >> make their voices heard in order to influence the work of the >> network. To be honest, our somewhat depressing perception was that >> they don't even care about us as we, with our almost 500 partners >> from over 60 countries, are not at all important for companies >> that have an annual turnover bigger than several small national >> economies together!! >> >> But, yes you are rigth, we also work on the topic of motorized >> individual mobility. But we don't tell anyone what Stuttgart's car >> makers would like to hear but just what we need in order to achieve >> real benefits for the environmental situation in cities. To cover >> 100% of all mobility demands by non-motorized mobility would be >> ideal - you may be right! But the fact is that motorized >> individual mobility will allways be there. So the crucial question >> is how we can green it (e.g. electric mobility with light vehicles >> and renewable energies - that's what we are dealing with in >> ongoing projects). We just dare facing this up to now inevitable >> motorized 90% share of the mobility reality that many others seem >> to ignore thinking that this way it will disappear... How about you? >> >> In general, I'm convinced it's better to go there and ask people >> what they think and want and really do before you judge them in >> public... >> >> But yes, I agree, it's good to have different platforms for >> working on the same issues. Each one will bring in new and >> valuable aspects. The big question for me just is whether we shall >> stick to a typical German way of thinking, I would say, that there >> is only one right answer and only one solution to such a complex >> problem and reality as is mobility, asking the rest of the world >> to obey, stop thinking and to follow it... So I'd be glad if you >> acknowledged also the value of the work we have been doing in the >> past years within CfM for the same cause as yours. Thanks! >> >> Regards, >> >> Rainer Rothfuss >> >> ----------------------- >> Join the Cities for Mobility online forum: >> <a target="_blank" href="http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility">http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility</a> >> Cities-for-Mobility-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> ----------------------- >> >> Dr. Rainer Rothfuss >> Coordinator of International Relations >> ----------------------- >> Coordination Office >> Cities for Mobility >> State Capital Stuttgart >> ----------------------- >> Postal address: >> D-70161 Stuttgart >> GERMANY >> Tel.: +49-8381-891-68 38 >> Fax: +49-8381-891-68 39 >> Mob: +49-177-894 08 04 >> Skype: rainer.rothfuss >> rothfuss@... >> www.cities-for-mobility.netMessage from "Todd Edelman, Green Idea >> Factory" <edelman@...>: >> >>> Hi Aashish, >>> >>> This is an important question - which could perhaps include "Lots Less >>> Cars" - and I am sure the three different >>> administrator/co-administrators will answer it soon. >>> >>> For me it is clear that Sustran is about developing world/Global South >>> issues. Very often the same messages go out on both New Mobility Cafe >>> and Lots Less Cars, and while there are guidelines to make it simple >>> for me what I usually do is if it something interesting and useful I >>> send it to Lots Less and if even more exciting, revolutionary and >>> important/critical I also send to New Mobility. And of course also to >>> Sustran if applicable. >>> >>> I know that Eric works very hard at keeping the discussion lean and >>> focused and while I sometimes object if a post I make - especially if >>> I take a lot of time with it - is rejected, I see the reason for this. >>> We can always post anything we want on our own Blogs, or of course >>> start our own discussions. >>> >>> Sustran, New Mobility/Lots Less and Sustran also originate in three >>> different institutions/entities, and perhaps some differences between >>> them are fundamental. As for me, I do not participate in Cities for >>> Mobility. It seems that the discussions held there could be useful but >>> I am convinced that the whole project - no matter how inclusive-seeming >>> - is in large part a greenwashing exercise for the Stuttgart-based >>> automobile industry. Cities for Mobility has as one of its "mobility >>> columns" the private urban car, and in (not just) my eyes this is Old >>> Mobility and thus presents a fundamental difference from - and >>> obviously a challenge to - the philosophy behind/purpose of the other >>> lists. >>> >>> Regards, >>> T >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Aashish Gupta wrote: >>>> Dear Eric >>>> I have gained much from the discussions at New moility cafe, >>>> Cities-for-Mobility and sustrans. I have a suggestion. Cant we >> integrate all >>>> the lists, since all of them have a common focus. It would be much >> easier, >>>> as well as enlarge the discussion. >>>> >>>> Aashish Gupta >>>> Department of Humanities and Social Sciences >>>> Indian Institute of Technology Madras >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Eric Britton >> <eric.britton@...>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> That's a good question Roland. I just tried Knoogling it and came >> up with >>>>> some interesting responses. You might wish to give it a try at >>>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://knoogle.net">http://knoogle.net</a> . (And if you have suggestions for us as to >> sources or >>>>> other details to improve its operation ,please do . . . Eric Britton >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Behalf Of Roland Sapsford >>>>> Sent: Sunday, 23 November 2008 00:11 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone aware of any work underway through the CDM, or in >> negotiations >>>>> around its successors, to make it easier for transport projects to be >>>>> included. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, the only public transport project so far granted CDM >>>>> credits is the TransMilenio busway in Bogota. The main barrier is >> that >>>>> transport projects usually involve policy and planning changes as >> well as >>>>> projects, and the methodological tests for additionality are hard >> to meet. >>>>> >>>>> Curiously yours >>>>> Roland Sapsford >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Roland Sapsford >>>>> Sustainability Solutions Consulting >>>>> >>>>> Climate Change, Cities, Energy, Transport >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> PO Box 11-708, Manners St, Wellington 6142, New Zealand >>>>> +64-4-9341106(w); +64-4-3851105(h); +64-21-651105(m) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Rainer Rothfuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A través del instrumento CDM se pueden financiar proyectos para >> reducir >>>>> emisiones de CO2 - también en el área del transporte. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Más informaciones: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cdm-cooperation.de/7.0.html">http://www.cdm-cooperation.de/7.0.html</a> >>>>> >>>>> Para saber más del los proyectos ya implementados en los >> diferentes países >>>>> de América Latina hay que registrarse como usuario (gratuito). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clean Development Mechanism >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) is a project-based >> mechanism, laid >>>>> down in the Kyoto Protocol within the United Nations Framework >> Convention >>>>> on >>>>> Climate Change (UNFCCC <<a target="_blank" href="http://www.unfccc.int/">http://www.unfccc.int/</a>> ) in 1997. On the one >>>>> hand, >>>>> it serves as a tool for the achievement of companies? or state?s >> emission >>>>> targets under minimum costs. On the other hand, it provides an >> economic >>>>> incentive for investments in technologies aiming at climate >> protection. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Rainer Rothfuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>> Join the Cities for Mobility online forum: >>>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility">http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-Mobility</a> >>>>> >> Cities-for-Mobility-subscribe@yahoogroups.com<<a target="_blank" href="http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-MobilityCities-for-Mobility-subscribe@yahoogroups.com">http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/Cities-for-MobilityCities-for-Mobility-subscribe@yahoogroups.com</a>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: not available >>>>> Type: application/octet-stream >>>>> Size: 823 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> Url : >>>>> >> <a target="_blank" href="http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20081123/e813df6f/attachment.bin">http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20081123/e813df6f/attachment.bin</a> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via >>>>> YAHOOGROUPS. >>>>> >>>>> Please go to >> <a target="_blank" href="http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss">http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss</a> to >>>>> join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. 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