10 July 2007 I don't think our democratic constitution will permit such a ban, which can be prevented on grounds of unjustified discrimination (unless lack of safety is cited as the reason and can be proved to be true) but the idea for automobile restriction will hopefully become possible to sell at least in some form, to our policy makers who are selectively ignorant to the consequences of auto domination. It may become possible to force them to admit that auto-mania needs to be countered in the interest of the majority of population which is the sufferer.  And as Walter rightly points out there are other options - we could start by charging heavy levies on fuel guzzlers and high polluting vehicles, as well as tightening parking controls (something totally contradictory to present policy of searching for parking spaces even under ones bed!! :-) -- Sujit Patwardhan Parisar/PTTF Pune, India   <div>On 7/10/07, Walter Hook <<a href="mailto:whook@itdp.org">whook@itdp.org </a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-US"> <div> The spirit is good, but the means seems very wrong headed to me.  What is the legal precedent?  That governments should be allowed to ban certain categories of vehicles from city streets if the price of the vehicle is too low?  This is outrageous.  A 1 lak car consumes no more road space than a car costing much more.    I would encourage the MMRDA to look into traffic cells, congestion charging and market-oriented parking charges as more rational policies for allocating scarce public road space in Mumbai.   Walter <div>   -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=<a href="mailto:itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Howes Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 4:25 PM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car   <div> But leaving aside the questions of political acceptability, how could Chandrashekhar ban the 1 lakh car in Greater Mumbai when the rest of India accepts it? </div> <div>   </div> <div> But I agree with his analysis. </div> <div>   </div> <div> Alan </div> <div>   </div> <div> -- Alan Howes, Perthshire, Scotland </div> <blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color black; border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; margin: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"> <div> ----- Original Message ----- </div> <div> <p style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; margin-left: 0.5in; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"> From: <a href="mailto:anupam.gupta@clsa.com" title="anupam.gupta@clsa.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> Anupam Gupta, CLSA</a> </div> <div> To: <a href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org" title="sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org</a> </div> <div> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:37 AM </div> <div> Subject: [sustran] MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car </div> <div>   </div> <div> MMRDA is the regional planning authority for Mumbai. It reports to the Chief Minister. MMRDA Chief, Dr. T. Chandrashekhar, has an impressive track record of work in Thane. In Mumbai, he's been caught between the politicians and the BMC. To give him credit, there's a lot of work he's had done on the roads. However - and see below - this is the first time he's taking such a strong stance. The battle between free enterprise and urban planning? I'm on the MMRDA chief's side on this one. I just hope this posturing doesn't ruin his career, because ultimately its the politicians who are in charge. Somehow I just can't see this litigation stand in court. Would love your thoughts. </div> <div>   </div> <div> <a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645</a> </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div> MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car </div> <div> MUMBAI: When the Tatas launch their Rs1 lakh car some time next year, they could face a roadblock in Mumbai. T Chandrashekhar, who heads the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the agency entrusted with the task of implementing the city's multi-crore infrastructure projects, says that he would be the first to file a public interest litigation (PIL) to stop the car's rollout in the city. Chandrashekhar believes that the city will never taste the fruits of its infrastructure investments unless it rations the use of road space and private vehicles. "The Tata car cannot be permitted (into the city) as it would choke up Mumbai. The low cost would mean that all those who can afford bikes will jump into the car segment. Then, no road space will be enough to hold the sea of vehicles. The city will be doomed," he warns. As metropolitan commissioner, Chandrashekhar is in charge of redeveloping 150 km of roads in Mumbai, which includes both the Eastern and Western Express Highways and the new east-west connecting roads � the Jogeshwari-Vikhroli Link Road (JVLR) and the Santa Cruz-Chembur Link Road (SCLR). He wants the state government to initiate strict vehicle rationing. "Today, people are buying vehicles like they purchase chocolates. Only those citizens who have parking space must be allowed to buy cars. There should be a fixed quota of new vehicles sold in Mumbai. And like London and Paris, the city must levy a congestion tax to de-clog the roads," he adds. The MMRDA chief cautioned that in the next five years, all the roads and flyovers will be inadequate if vehicular growth is not controlled. That apart, Chandrashekhar also wants to control the influx of job-seekers in Mumbai. He wants the city to introduce a work permit regime in Mumbai. "Only those having a work permit and a valid house must be provided basic amenities like ration card, telephone connection and power supply," he said. </div> <div>   </div> Regards, Anupam Gupta <span onmouseup="SetCallButtonPressed(this, 0,1)" onmousedown="SetCallButtonPressed(this, 1,1)" onmouseover="SetCallButton(this, 1,1);skype_active=CheckCallButton(this);" onmouseout="SetCallButton(this, 0,1);HideSkypeMenu();" class="skype_tb_injection" id="__skype_highlight_id"> <span style="margin-right: 0px;" title="This is a India phone number. 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