<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16481" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Just a few more points to add to this discussion -</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>1. The Committee appointed by the Bombay High Court (the Lal Committee) had recommended a traffic restraint scheme for the island city based on number plates - the idea was to get 20% of the privately owned vehicles off the roads in the island city of Mumbai during week days. This issue is still to be decided by the Court.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>2. I do not think Dr Chandrashekhar can file a PIL on this issue unless he gets prior permission of Government, or unless he resigns, or retires. I wonder if any of these options are being contemplated at the moment.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>3. However, as Metropolitan Commissioner, he can make recommendations for modification of the Regional Plan so that private transport use in Mumbai, which is a part of the Mumbai Metropolitan Region, can be regulated. Nothing is actually stopping him from doing this. These recommendations could include traffic restraint schemes. congestion pricing, availability of mandatory off road parking for new vehicles, higher parking charges, etc. -- in short, the works!! Why is this option not being explored? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>4. The Regional Plan can also address issues of public transport vs private transport, and look at options of upgrading suburban trains, public bus systems, BRT, etc. Issues such as flyovers, elevated roads, sea links, etc can also be addressed through this process.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Debi</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>PS I am also wondering how Dr C would react if Reliance decided to make a Rs. 99,999 car! </FONT><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=sujit@vsnl.com href="mailto:sujit@vsnl.com">Sujit Patwardhan</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org">Global 'South' Sustainable Transport</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>10 July 2007<BR><BR><BR><BR>I don't think our democratic constitution will permit such a ban, which can be prevented on grounds of unjustified discrimination (unless lack of safety is cited as the reason and can be proved to be true) but the idea for automobile restriction will hopefully become possible to sell at least in some form, to our policy makers who are selectively ignorant to the consequences of auto domination. <BR><BR>It may become possible to force them to admit that auto-mania needs to be countered in the interest of the majority of population which is the sufferer.  And as Walter rightly points out there are other options - we could start by charging heavy levies on fuel guzzlers and high polluting vehicles, as well as tightening parking controls (something totally contradictory to present policy of searching for parking spaces even under ones bed!! <BR>:-)<BR>--<BR>Sujit Patwardhan<BR>Parisar/PTTF<BR>Pune, India<BR><BR><BR> <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 7/10/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Walter Hook</B> <<A href="mailto:whook@itdp.org">whook@itdp.org </A>> wrote:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid"> <DIV lang=EN-US bgcolor="white" link="blue" vlink="blue"> <DIV> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The spirit is good, but the means seems very wrong headed to me.  What is the legal precedent?  That governments should be allowed to ban certain categories of vehicles from city streets if the price of the vehicle is too low?  This is outrageous.  A 1 lak car consumes no more road space than a car costing much more.  </SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would encourage the MMRDA to look into traffic cells, congestion charging and market-oriented parking charges as more rational policies for allocating scarce public road space in Mumbai.</SPAN></FONT></P><SPAN class=sg> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Walter </SPAN></FONT></P></SPAN> <DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_113ace1cf2112a54_2> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org" target=_blank>itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org</A> [mailto:<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org" target=_blank>sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Alan Howes<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, July 09, 2007 4:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Global 'South' Sustainable Transport<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But leaving aside the questions of political acceptability, how could Chandrashekhar ban the 1 lakh car in Greater Mumbai when the rest of India accepts it?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">But I agree with his analysis.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Alan</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">-- <BR>Alan Howes, Perthshire, Scotland</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; 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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org" target=_blank>sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Saturday, July 07, 2007 7:37 AM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> [sustran] MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">MMRDA is the regional planning authority for Mumbai. It reports to the Chief Minister. MMRDA Chief, Dr. T. Chandrashekhar, has an impressive track record of work in Thane. In Mumbai, he's been caught between the politicians and the BMC. To give him credit, there's a lot of work he's had done on the roads. However - and see below - this is the first time he's taking such a strong stance. The battle between free enterprise and urban planning? I'm on the MMRDA chief's side on this one. I just hope this posturing doesn't ruin his career, because ultimately its the politicians who are in charge. Somehow I just can't see this litigation stand in court. Would love your thoughts. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645" target=_blank>http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1108645</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><STRONG><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG></P></DIV> <DIV> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">MUMBAI: When the Tatas launch their Rs1 lakh car some time next year, they could face a roadblock in Mumbai. T Chandrashekhar, who heads the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA), the agency entrusted with the task of implementing the city's multi-crore infrastructure projects, says that he would be the first to file a public interest litigation (PIL) to stop the car's rollout in the city. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Chandrashekhar believes that the city will never taste the fruits of its infrastructure investments unless it rations the use of road space and private vehicles. "The Tata car cannot be permitted (into the city) as it would choke up Mumbai. The low cost would mean that all those who can afford bikes will jump into the car segment. Then, no road space will be enough to hold the sea of vehicles. The city will be doomed," he warns. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">As metropolitan commissioner, Chandrashekhar is in charge of redeveloping 150 km of roads in Mumbai, which includes both the Eastern and Western Express Highways and the new east-west connecting roads � the Jogeshwari-Vikhroli Link Road (JVLR) and the Santa Cruz-Chembur Link Road (SCLR). He wants the state government to initiate strict vehicle rationing. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"Today, people are buying vehicles like they purchase chocolates. Only those citizens who have parking space must be allowed to buy cars. There should be a fixed quota of new vehicles sold in Mumbai. And like London and Paris, the city must levy a congestion tax to de-clog the roads," he adds. The MMRDA chief cautioned that in the next five years, all the roads and flyovers will be inadequate if vehicular growth is not controlled. </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">That apart, Chandrashekhar also wants to control the influx of job-seekers in Mumbai. He wants the city to introduce a work permit regime in Mumbai. 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