<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Eric, This is a really interesting indicator of what is being proposed for Chennai!! However, I have to note that, contrary to what some people may be thinking, I'm opposed to the idea that having this chapter for the planning of Chennai would be a waste of writing space and that it will be very difficult to implement. When you take a look at other cities' history and how they changed their policy, it all starts with writing planning proposals that may be  "ahead of their time". Some years later, some people are actually capable of implementing what had been proposed some years back. But you always need the first draft that proposes something, some sort of "manifesto". Of course, manifestos have to be improved and rewritten. Would it be possible to send some comments to the chapter and sign it as "Sustran" or "new mobility" or whatever? We did this with Sustran-LAC for the "temporary" changes of the Quito BRT, and had some influence in changing it. Sunny's and Eric's comments are a start... Best regards, <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto- Project Coordinator GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 93A # 14-17 of 708 Bogotá D.C., Colombia Tel/fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org">carlos.pardo@sutp.org</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.sutp.org">www.sutp.org</a> </pre> Eric Britton wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:ENEPJLGECIAMHAKCMADICEKGGFAA.eric.britton@ecoplan.org" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; "> <meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel="File-List" href="cid:filelist.xml@01C77F8A.4861ECA0">  <style>  </style> <div class="Section1"> Okay Arul, I have had my first quick look at the draft chapter and a couple of things strike me that may end up being useful to you and your colleagues as you work to come up with an Alternate proposal or suggestions for your Master Planners.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <ul style="" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: black;">Strikes me that they are doing a largely competent job in setting the stage with the usual purely transport statistics in those first pages. It’s at least a start. Of  sorts.  <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: black;">But then they quickly veer off on old and familiar habits -- and if I were to judge it on the basis of my very fast look, it would strike me that this is basically driving them to “more of the same”. And while there is a certain amount of comforting language about TDM, passing mentions of good Dutch, Danish and German practices, but as a clue – on almost every place in the chapter where you see the word “demand” it is usually prelude to a conclusion that you gotta build something to meet it. I think we have seen that before. <o:p></o:p></li> </ul>  <o:p></o:p> <ul style="" type="disc"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">The Bible that my old grandmother used to carry around with her, says that a man who will steal a talon (a penny_ will steal your fortune. So I say down and ran a bunch of words through a frequency scan and here is what I came up with.  <o:p></o:p></li> <ul style="" type="circle"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Accident – 1. Sprawl - 1. Waiting  -1. Environment – 2. Bicycle – 2. Maintenance – 3. Safe/safety – 4. TDM - 4.  Congestion – 6. Parking – 30.    <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Health – 0. Injury – 0. Handicapped - 0, Elderly - 0, Disabled – 0. Respiratory – 0. Death – 0. Life – 0.  <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Children – 0. Gender – 0. Women – 0. Female – 0.  <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Walking – 0. Public space – 0. Parks - 0, Community - 0, Participation – 0. Independent – 0.  <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Ecology/ecological – 0. Planet – 0. CO2 – 0.  GHG – 0. Greenhouse – 0,  <o:p></o:p></li> </ul> </ul>  <o:p></o:p> <ul style="" type="disc"> <ul style="" type="circle"> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: navy;">Traffic – 46.  <o:p></o:p></li> <li class="MsoNormal" style="color: black;">Roads -124 times.  <o:p></o:p></li> </ul> </ul> I guess that gives us a few clues, and while I have a number of further thoughts on this, let me get off the stage and her what the others have to offer.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Eric Britton<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> PS. May I suggest in the interests of economy that these discussions continue mainly in Sustran and the New Mobility Agenda Idea Factory, and I hope that we shall be hearing from our Gatnet friends (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.gatnet.net">www.gatnet.net</a>) on this as well? Thanks<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> <div style="border-style: none none solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color windowtext; border-width: medium medium 0.75pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 1pt;">  <o:p></o:p> </div>  <o:p></o:p> <h3 style="margin-left: 36pt;">Posted by: "arul rathinam" <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:arulgreen@yahoo.com?Subject=%20Re%3A%5Bsustran%5D%20Transport%20-%20the%20Second%20Master%20Plan%20for%20Chennai%2E">arulgreen@yahoo.com </a><o:p></o:p></h3> <h4 style="margin-left: 36pt;">Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:15 pm (PST) <o:p></o:p></h4> Dear Friends Chennai Metropolitan Development Authority (CMDA) published the draft version of the Second Master Plan for Chennai on 11 April 2007. Any person interested in Master Plan II could send in their suggestions to CMDA on or before 12 July 2007. We, as a NGO, wish to bring an ‘Alternate’ Second Master Plan for Chennai, particularly on Transport. We are planning to organize awareness campaign and consultation meetings for it. I am attaching the link to Transport Chapter from the Second Master Plan for Chennai. <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.cmdachennai.org/design/pdfs/SMP/D_Chapt%20%20IV%20_Transportation.pdf">http://www.cmdachennai.org/design/pdfs/SMP/D_Chapt%20%20IV%20_Transportation.pdf</a> We need your advice and support. with kind regards. R.ARUL, Secretary, PASUMAI THAAYAGAM (Green Mother Land), No. 9,(old No: 5), Lyn wood Lane, Mahalingapuram, CHENNAI -600 034, Tamil Nadu, INDIA.<o:p></o:p> </div>  <o:p></o:p> <pre wrap=""> <hr size="4" width="90%"> -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. 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