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<DIV align=left><SPAN class=765175608-23032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Each to their own opinion ...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>--<BR>Alan Howes<BR>Associate
Transport Planner<BR>Colin Buchanan</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN><FONT face=Arial size=2>4 St Colme Street<BR>Edinburgh EH3
6AA<BR>Scotland<BR>email: </FONT></SPAN><A title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk href="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk"><SPAN title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk><U title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>tel: (0)131 226 4693
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org
[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Martin Cassini<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 March 2007
18:03<BR><B>To:</B> Global 'South' Sustainable Transport;
sri@pn1.vsnl.net.in<BR><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover lanes ....
no road dividers. Encouragenatural co-operation<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Without seeing the location(s) it's difficult to
say, but in principle I'm against intervention and enforcement. The Western
rules of the road (contrived distinctions between major and minor roads, and
main road priority irrespective who was there first, then lights
causing aggression and needless delay) have helped kill more people than
have died in two world wars. Instead I prefer to trust good design and human
nature (Hans Monderman and shared space). What if you let all road-users use
all available road space, but encourage private or commercial drivers to
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>give way when they saw a bus approaching? To help
warn of their approach, buses could use dipped headlights. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Martin</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sujit@vsnl.com href="mailto:sujit@vsnl.com">Sujit Patwardhan</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sri@pn1.vsnl.net.in href="mailto:sri@pn1.vsnl.net.in">sri@pn1.vsnl.net.in</A> ; <A title=sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org">Global 'South' Sustainable
Transport</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover
lanes .... alternatively,why not run on the other side of the
road-divider?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>20 March 2007<BR><BR>Dear JG,<BR>I thought you had seen the BRT
being implemented (even if shoddily) in Pune. The dedicated bus lanes <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">are </SPAN>in the central as you describe:<BR><BR>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Traffic in
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">India</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> drives on the left
side of a road. In the case of a divided highway, one proposal is to run the
BRTS in a separate lane (taking the place of the "Fast Lane", i.e. to the
right hand edge of the left half of the road.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This means that entry
and exit from the busses would have to be to and from fresh islands in the
road (since doors are on the left side of the bus) or else fresh doors would
have to be cut into the bus, so that passengers can board and get off onto a
central island<SPAN>..</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>Do take a look. The design is
good and will eventually start working but it seems such a waste to execute it
so badly as Pune Municipal Corporation is doing. Already people traveling in
these BRT buses are experiencing something unique - seeing the buses move
faster than other auto vehicles on the road, and that's how it should be.
<BR>Regards,<BR>--<BR>Sujit<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 3/17/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Prof J G
Krishnayya</B> <<A href="mailto:sri@giaspn01.vsnl.net.in">sri@giaspn01.vsnl.net.in</A>> wrote:
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<P><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Just an
idea.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Please shoot it
down (with reasons) if it is impractical for </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">India</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2> <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Traffic in
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">India</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> drives on the left
side of a road. In the case of a divided highway, one proposal is to run the
BRTS in a separate lane (taking the place of the "Fast Lane", i.e. to the
right hand edge of the left half of the road.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This means that
entry and exit from the busses would have to be to and from fresh islands in
the road (since doors are on the left side of the bus) or else fresh doors
would have to be cut into the bus, so that passengers can board and get off
onto a central island<SPAN>..</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Actually, for
reasons of flexibility, and if these are "Long" busses, with centre doors,
it seems to me to make sense to strengthen the body and cut doors out on the
right side of the bus. Then a single stop or station would exist at each
location for both directions.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An alternative,
which I have not seen mentioned yet, is to run the BRTS busses on the WRONG
SIDE OF THE ROAD. That is, busses going north would run in the
grade-separated, "Fast lane" of the southbound side of the road. And busses
going <SPAN>South</SPAN> would run in the fast lane of the northbound side
of the divided highway.<SPAN> </SPAN>Then one would use the normal
doors (on the left side of the bus), thus eliminating any need to strengthen
the chassis.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pune experience
within days of the start of BRTS makes it clear that with our population
density, and general attitude towards discipline in general,
Grade-Separation between the normal roadway (of at least 8 inches) and the
BRTS lanes, is essential to avoid many, many fatal accidents.<SPAN>
</SPAN>If the BRTS lane is grade-separated, there should be no problem about
the BRTS busses running in the opposite direction to the regular stream of
traffic.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Contra-ideas,
anyone?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">J G
Krishnayya</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">==============</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy">Prof <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">J G Krishnayya</SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Systems Research Institute</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy">,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy">17-A Gultekdi, PUNE 411037,
India</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy">Tel
+91-20-2426-0323</SPAN></FONT></P>
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</A><SPAN> </SPAN>Res
020-2636-3930</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Lucida Sans Unicode" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: navy"><A href="mailto:sri@giaspn01.vsnl.net.in">sri@giaspn01.vsnl.net.in
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
sustran-discuss-bounces+sri=<A href="mailto:pn1.vsnl.net.in@list.jca.apc.org">pn1.vsnl.net.in@list.jca.apc.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sri=pn1.vsnl.net.in@list.jca.apc.org">sustran-discuss-bounces+sri=pn1.vsnl.net.in@list.jca.apc.org</A>
] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Alan
Howes<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, March
16, 2007 6:00 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Global
'South' Sustainable Transport; <A href="mailto:edelman@greenidea.info">edelman@greenidea.info</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover
lanes</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Great minds
...</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I've just been
reading the organisational bits of Bina's post rather more carefully. I
still don't have a feel for how much clout the CWG has - OK the Gov of
Maharashtra has accepted the CWG report - but does that guarantee action
(not just commissioning consultants, but committing to
implementation). And on a matter of detail, Bina says -
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">we at the MTSU have already submitted
our report to the Government of Maharashtra- as long back as the 6th of
February 2007"</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and
then</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">The CWG Report was formally presented
on the 6th of February, 2007, to all the departments ..."</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So I assume the
consultants have not yet been appointed. I can't see them taking less
than six months to report, and I would guess at least nine months for
implementation, even at Western rates of action - what price bus lanes by
the end of this year?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is the MTSU report
the same as the CWG report? When was the CWG formed? Sorry to ask so many
questions!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards,
Alan</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--<BR>Alan Howes<BR>Associate
Transport Planner<BR>Colin Buchanan</SPAN></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4 St Colme
Street<BR>Edinburgh EH3
6AA<BR>Scotland<BR>email: </SPAN></FONT><A title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk href="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN title=mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk>alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">tel:
(0)131 226 4693
(switchboard)<BR>
(0)7952 464335 (mobile)<BR>fax: (0)131 220
0232<BR>www: <A href="http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/">http://www.cbuchanan.co.uk/</A></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2> <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=<A href="mailto:cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org">cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org">sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org
</A>] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Brendan
Finn<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> 16 March 2007
11:32<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Global 'South'
Sustainable Transport; <A href="mailto:edelman@greenidea.info">edelman@greenidea.info</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [sustran] Re: BRT - switchover
lanes</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Dear Alan,
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that's an excellent rule
on three grounds : </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1) It is simple and
unambiguous</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2) The participants always know
which situation they are in, and whether they should yield. It is highly
visible when a potential yield situation arises, no need for control
systems.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3) The priority is to clear the
bus stopping place to make room for incoming buses, so it is right that
buses leaving the stopping area should have
priority.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With best wishes,
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Brendan.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">_____________________________________________________________________________________<BR>>From
Brendan Finn, ETTS Ltd. e-mail : <A href="mailto:etts@indigo.ie">etts@indigo.ie</A> tel :
+353.87.2530286</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=edelman@greenidea.info href="mailto:edelman@greenidea.info">edelman@greenidea.info</A> ; <A title=sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org href="mailto:sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org">Global 'South' Sustainable
Transport</A> </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
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[sustran] Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a
joke!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I thought
someone might think that! I take it what concerns you is the (two per
stop) conflicts between buses moving in opposite directions?
<BR><BR>Remember that the buses will be moving slowly as they are about to
stop or are just leaving the stop. I don't know offhand what the maximum
bus flows are likely to be, but I would not have thought that even in
Mumbai there would be more than 120 buses per hour - correct me someone if
I'm wrong (I could do a check, but it would take some time). At that level
I see no problem with a simple "give way" arrangement (e.g. incoming buses
always give way to leaving buses) - you could have traffic signals, but
IMO that would be an unnecessary expense. <BR><BR>Regards,
Alan<BR><BR><BR>--<BR>Alan Howes<BR>Associate Transport Planner<BR>Colin
Buchanan <BR>4 St Colme Street<BR>Edinburgh
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</A>] On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory<BR>Sent: 16 March 2007
10:44<BR>To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport<BR>Subject: [sustran]
Re: (NEWS) Mumbai's BRTS project turns into a joke!<BR><BR>Alan Howes
wrote:<BR>> [...] The problem, however, with with-flow bus lanes placed
immediately to the left of the median is that, assuming bus stops are on
the median, the bus doors are on the wrong side (an expensive problem to
fix). MMRDA explained to me an ingenious proposal for overcoming this - at
the stops the buses would swap sides, crossing the median through a gap
immediately before and after the stop. This sounds perfectly feasible to
me - the only potential problem I foresee is that the necessary gaps will
be used (illegally) by other traffic, or even pedestrians (who get a
pretty raw deal in terms of getting across the road).<BR>>
<BR>That seems really dangerous unless there are electronic safety
systems, etc. Am I missing something?<BR><BR>- T<BR><BR>--
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Edelman<BR>Director<BR>Green Idea Factory<BR><BR>Korunní 72<BR>CZ-10100
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