13 September 2006 Thanks Carlos, Very nice and compact. -- Sujit <div>On 9/13/06, Carlos F. Pardo SUTP <<a href="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org"> carlos.pardo@sutp.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div> <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"> <div> Dear all,   As part of the training course on public awareness and behavior change, I've developed a video to show space efficiency of cars vs public transport. You can see the video at: <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=guodaBkDPP0" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://youtube.com/watch?v=guodaBkDPP0 </a> . After some discussion with Eric Britton (relevant excerpts below), it would be useful to hear anybody else's comments. Of course, bear in mind that I did this for policymakers and social scientists (and others) who will promote sustainable transport with simple and explanatory tools.   Any feedback is most welcome. Best regards,   <div> Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogotá D.C., Colombia Tel:  +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309  Mobile : +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: <a href="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org" title="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> carlos.pardo@sutp.org</a> Página: <a href="http://www.sutp.org/" title="http://www.sutp.org/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> www.sutp.org</a> </div> <div> <div style="text-align: center;" align="center"> <hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"> </div> De: Eric Britton [mailto:<a href="mailto:eric.britton@ecoplan.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">eric.britton@ecoplan.org</a>] Para: 'Carlos F. Pardo SUTP' Asunto: So it's TEN times more space-efficient??? </div>   I'm not quite sure that is quite the whole story Carlos.  Might we explore the bigger picture together here for a moment?   1.       The clip lasts for 40 seconds ###yes.  2.       It shows five lanes of urban highway in Bogotá with car traffic at close to capacity, which means average speeds I guess on the order 50/60 kph? #### no, it's actually 10-20 km/h.  3.       And then the one dedicated lane with a single TM artic, moving along at a clip a good deal faster than the cars. ### yes. 4.       You suggest that the bus is full?? #### I know that bus is full. ** Just to be sure: What you are saying is that all the TM busses are pretty much full in the same rush hours that the car lanes are full  5.      It is clear that whereas there is zero room for more cars in the five lanes they occupy, the reserved lane could accommodate more vehicles. ### yes, BUT that would mean oversupply, and less people per bus (I assume you mean bus by "vehicle"). ** Not all that sure Carlos. The objective of our NewMob policy is high quality high comfort transport for all. So we have a couple of objectives .. . o               The first is to get through a carrot/stick policy drivers out of all those cars and into other space-efficient transport. o               TM is a great example of this last but far from the only one o               Remember that we want to come as close to 'car-like mobility' (refers to direct access, waiting times, comfort, etc.) as we can. o               This suggests that we need not only TM but a lot of other good (and flexible) stuff as well (we call it xTransit but call it as you will). o               We also need to bear in mind that when you cram too many people on board a bus, this is not necessarily a sign of total success.   In fact, what I would love to have – and I am sure that some one must have this in hand – would be a kind of 'thermometer of space efficiency', which will give us a meter stick for looking at all this stuff and somehow getting it into proportion. More than that, I would; then like to see if we can somehow establish this as a new mobility measuring stick which becomes a tool of the trade.   #### right, or it could be just a "rule" that you would have, e.g. "count the number of cars that pass by during a given time, and then divide by x to see how many buses are needed. If it is more than one lane, divide again by the amount of lanes…"   </div> </div> </div> -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss" target="_blank"> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss</a> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). 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