<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Yes, I agree with your comment Alan and am also surprised by the mindset of the govt people from Carlos' mail. Regarding your question What does it Tak...? from my view I can think of only two answers one is to enlighten the authorities like wht you will be doing in Mumbai, the tile looks very promising. The second one is let the cities learn by themselves which will cost a huge amount in terms of money, environment and even social capitals. The aspect that has to be seen is equity in transport modes in not the requirement but the priority of NMT and PT is the most important thing. Sunny P.S: It would be kind of you if u can post the proceedings of the conference if u find any other interesting presentations. Alan Howes wrote: <blockquote cite="mid324DCD7680954F468CF306EE5404F001027535E0@mail01.cbuchanan.co.uk" type="cite"> <title>Message</title> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; "> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2912" name="GENERATOR">  <style>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @font-face { font-family: Trebuchet MS; } @page Section1 {size: 612.0pt 792.0pt; margin: 72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } P.newssumm { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } LI.newssumm { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } DIV.newssumm { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } P.news { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } LI.news { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } DIV.news { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0cm; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0cm; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EstiloCorreo20 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </style> <div align="left">It's very depressing.  In developing countries with low car ownership, politicians seem to see car use (which is not necessarily the same as car ownership, cf Switzerland) as a welcome sign of economic development.  Do they see hard (or even soft) drug consumption in the same way, I wonder?</div> <div align="left"> </div> <div align="left">What does it take to get the likes of Malaysia, India and China to realise the long-term problems created by this thinking, not only for their country but for the global community?</div> <div align="left"> </div> <div align="left">I've been invited to speak to a business group in Mumbai - my currently suggested title is "Urban transport - learning from the mistakes of others".</div> <div align="left"> </div> <div align="left">Alan</div> <div> </div> <div align="left">-- Alan Howes Associate Transport Planner Colin Buchanan 4 St Colme Street Edinburgh      EH3 6AA Scotland email:  <a title="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk" href="mailto:alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk">alan.howes@cbuchanan.co.uk</a> tel:      (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard)            (0)7952 464335  (mobile) fax:     (0)131 220 0232 www: <a>http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/</a> </div> <div> </div> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" align="left"> <hr>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org">sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org">mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan.howes=cbuchanan.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org</a>] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo SUTP Sent: 10 August 2006 13:24 To: 'Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport' Subject: [sustran] Re: Malaysia Ranks 30th Among Countries In Fatal RoadAccidents </div> <div class="Section1"> We once had a meeting in Putrajaya (the newly-designed town they have as a future capital). They said they were not happy about their current modal split: 20% use of private automobile. they wanted it to INCREASE to 40%, which was (according to one low-ranking staff member) a government priority. If that is the case, they will keep on increasing the accident rate, be it because of motorcycles or of cars.   Best regards,   <div> Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 125bis # 41-28 of 404 Bogotá D.C., Colombia Tel:  +57 (1) 215 7812 Fax: +57 (1) 236 2309  Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 e-mail: <a title="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org" href="mailto:carlos.pardo@sutp.org">carlos.pardo@sutp.org</a> Página: <a title="http://www.sutp.org/" href="http://www.sutp.org/">www.sutp.org</a> </div> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>