<html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Dear eric,   Itdp will be submitting its own comments, so we would not want to be a party to any group comments.  By the way, i agree the draft document doesn’t clearly lay out any vision of what role the world bank might play, but overall i didn’t see the document as anything to get worked up over.  Some good language in there.    Best Walter   -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Eric.Britton Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:58 AM To: sustran-discuss@jca.apc.org; Kyoto2020@yahoogroups.com Subject: [sustran] Fair Transport - comments   Fair – “Characterized by honesty and justice : Free from fraud, injustice, prejudice, or favoritism : Open, frank, honest; hence equal, just, equitable, impartial., unprejudiced, ’ (Webster’s Unabridged, 2nd edition)   (Dear Friends. We are getting some fine, very challenging comments, challenges and even some support for this idea coming in over the transom this week, some of which is reaching you here directly but all food for thought – which you will shortly have here in more comprehensive form with comments, along with an entirely redrafted set of background notes on our strange new term (for poof of its strangeness or at least unfamiliarity in this context, I propose you check it out on Google, stripping it away of course from all (that is most off it) which has nothing to do with our topic). In the meantime, I am pleased to share with you the following note from my esteemed colleague Professor Richard Allsop, who makes a point that I for one am not going to let slip.  “Fair Transport” may in time perhaps serve to extend and fine tune the phrase sustainable transport, but let me not kid myself. It is not about to wipe it out.  But more on that shortly. ericbritton. And oh yes, PS. One of the ideas behind this new phrase is to create a base for some form of high profile Fair Transport Labeling. But that too in due course.)   -----Original Message----- From: Richard Allsop Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:08 PM To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org Subject: Fair Transport    Dear Eric I've read only your message and none of the broadcast responses, and am replying only briefly to wish you well in this venture. I think the idea is great, but do not see it as a substitute for "sustainable transport", which to the extent that it means anything as generally used (which I think is doubtful) it does not mean the same as fair.   Seeking sustainability can be done fairly or unfairly, but there is nothing about seeking sustainability that is inherently fair (except perhaps between generations).  The fairness, if it is to be part of the process at all, has to be imposed as a constraint, just as in pursuit of other societal objectives. As for "sustainable transport" as it has generally been used, it is a misnomer for which in my own writing and speaking I have tried to substitute "less unsustainable transport", which is at least achievable within our lifetimes, unlike "sustainable transport" in any sense of the word that I recognise. So as a bonus additional to the massive importance of promoting equity in transport, you efforts may have the beneficial side-effect of reducing use of the term "sustainable transport".   Whether this will increase the proportion of sense written by many of its misusers is another matter! All the best Richard </X-SIGSEP><X-SIGSEP>Richard Allsop Centre for Transport Studies University College London Gower Street London WC1E 6BT Phone<X-TAB>   </X-TAB>+44 20 7679 1555 Fax<X-TAB>     </X-TAB>+44 20 7679 1567 email<X-TAB>   </X-TAB>rea@transport.ucl.ac.uk <a href="http://www.cts.ucl.ac.uk" eudora=autourl>www.cts.ucl.ac.uk </a>_________________________________________________________________________ ISTTT 17 London 2007 For details of the 17th International Symposium on Transportation and Traffic Theory in London visit <a href="http://www.isttt.org">www.isttt.org</a> ________________________________________________________________________   </div> </body> </html>