[sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8
Cornie Huizenga
cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org
Wed Oct 30 18:49:32 JST 2013
Dear Lisa,
Very interesting - I am part of a group drafting a paper in which we are
trying to bring development or access into ASI. This to strengthen the
developmental context. I am cc. Stefan Bakker the lead author. It might be
of interest to compare notes. One of the co-authors is Mark Zuidgeest who
is now based in South Africa, also cc'ed.
Cornie
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:28 AM, Lisa Kane <lisa at lisakane.co.za> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We have been discussing ASI recently in Cape Town and whether as a concept
> it is appropriate in our Southern contexts. On the positive side it focuses
> attention on alleviating vehicle congestion but there are no nods in ASI to
> our realities about poverty. We are playing with the words "Avoid, Shift,
> Improve and Advance Equity". Not very snappy but a reminder that for us
> there are broader matters at play.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Lisa Kane
> www.lisakane.co.za
>
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> > 1. Is TDM avoid or shift? (Carlosfelipe Pardo)
> > 2. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Sunny ICLEI)
> > 3. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Todd Alexander Litman)
> > 4. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Cornie Huizenga)
> > 5. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Pascal van den Noort)
> > 6. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Ashok Datar)
> > 7. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Todd Alexander Litman)
> > 8. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Sujit Patwardhan)
> > 9. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Lloyd Wright)
> > 10. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Ashok Datar)
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:43:52 -0500
> > From: Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: "Global 'South' Sustainable Transport"
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CANaM9O1fdvokpCBRDfDk3QBZWim2VEFWuBWJphEpet9xHcZOmg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> > question to see people's views:
> >
> > Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> > both?
> >
> > Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >
> > Carlos.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:06:54 +0100
> > From: Sunny ICLEI <sunny.iclei at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Carlos Felipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID: <21C67F3E-92E1-4049-8DDB-907283AF7094 at gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> that support the SHIFT idea.
> >
> > I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this. He is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit
> http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >
> > Quoting Todd
> >
> > ? Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management) is a general term for strategies that result in more efficient
> use of transportation resources?
> >
> > hope this helps
> > cheers
> > sunny
> >
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >> question to see people's views:
> >>
> >> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> >> both?
> >>
> >> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>
> >> Carlos.
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:24:36 -0700
> > From: "Todd Alexander Litman" <litman at vtpi.org>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: "'Sunny ICLEI'" <sunny.iclei at gmail.com>, "'Carlos Felipe Pardo'"
> > <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> > Cc: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID: <017301ced4ba$fa85ee90$ef91cbb0$@org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Thanks Carlos!
> >
> > Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly
> to
> > include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
> transportation
> > system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> > (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
> > mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
> > travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> > development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that
> it
> > allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
> > reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Todd Litman
> > Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> > litman at vtpi.org
> > facebook.com/todd.litman
> > Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> > 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> > "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Sunny ICLEI
> > Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> > To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >
> > My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> > collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> > that support the SHIFT idea.
> >
> > I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this. He
> > is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >
> > Quoting Todd
> >
> > " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management) is
> > a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> > transportation resources"
> >
> > hope this helps
> > cheers
> > sunny
> >
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >> question to see people's views:
> >>
> >> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
> >> Or both?
> >>
> >> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>
> >> Carlos.
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >
> > ================================================================
> > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:31:54 -0300
> > From: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CACBVqcGHcDe0Q9ORQkNYYdHHNUkauuQRK=K6OF8acyQwG0x-TA at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Todd and others,
> >
> > What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
> > growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel. Key
> > elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> > (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
> > often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
> > incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> >
> > Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> > Avoid.
> >
> > Cornie
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Carlos!
> >>
> >> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM)
> broadly to
> >> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
> >> transportation
> >> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> >> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes
> both
> >> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
> >> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> >> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that
> it
> >> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
> >> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Todd Litman
> >> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> >> litman at vtpi.org
> >> facebook.com/todd.litman
> >> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> >> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> >> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> >> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Sunny ICLEI
> >> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> >> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> >> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> >> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>
> >> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> >> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> >> that support the SHIFT idea.
> >>
> >> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this.
> >> He
> >> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >>
> >> Quoting Todd
> >>
> >> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management)
> >> is
> >> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> >> transportation resources"
> >>
> >> hope this helps
> >> cheers
> >> sunny
> >>
> >>
> >> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >>> question to see people's views:
> >>>
> >>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>> Or both?
> >>>
> >>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>>
> >>> Carlos.
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>
> >>> ================================================================
> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cornie Huizenga
> > Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
> > 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
> > 200051 Shanghai, China
> >
> > www.slocat.net
> > @SLOCATcornie
> > +8613901949332
> >
> > <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:47:26 +0100
> > From: Pascal van den Noort <operations at velomondial.net>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID: <B45E349C-6988-4741-A086-1B5F779359E1 at velomondial.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Maybe the concept of Mobility Management comes in handy here. Have a
> look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkUDXEVmaEg
> >
> > Have a look atb some othe mobility concepts that fit in he debate as
> well: http://www.pas-port.info/#publisher_03
> >
> > All video's only 4 minutes explaining the concepts for all
> >
> > Pascal J.W. van den Noort
> > Executive Director
> > Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National
> >
> > operations at velomondial.net
> > +31206270675 landline
> > +31627055688 mobile phone
> >
> > Velo Mondial's Blog
> >
> > Linkedin
> >
> > Click here for information on urban mobility issues you always wanted to
> have
> >
> >
> > On 29 okt. 2013, at 16:31, Cornie Huizenga <
> cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Todd and others,
> >>
> >> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple
> economic
> >> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel. Key
> >> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> >> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
> >> often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a
> largely
> >> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> >>
> >> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> >> Avoid.
> >>
> >> Cornie
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <
> litman at vtpi.org>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Carlos!
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM)
> broadly to
> >>> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
> >>> transportation
> >>> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> >>> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes
> both
> >>> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit)
> and
> >>> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> >>> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree
> that it
> >>> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which
> leverages
> >>> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Todd Litman
> >>> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> >>> litman at vtpi.org
> >>> facebook.com/todd.litman
> >>> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> >>> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> >>> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> >>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Sunny ICLEI
> >>> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> >>> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> >>> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> >>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>>
> >>> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> >>> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and
> some
> >>> that support the SHIFT idea.
> >>>
> >>> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this.
> >>> He
> >>> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Todd
> >>>
> >>> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management)
> >>> is
> >>> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> >>> transportation resources"
> >>>
> >>> hope this helps
> >>> cheers
> >>> sunny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >>>> question to see people's views:
> >>>>
> >>>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>>> Or both?
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>>>
> >>>> Carlos.
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>>
> >>>> ================================================================
> >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>
> >>> ================================================================
> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>
> >>> ================================================================
> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cornie Huizenga
> >> Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
> >> 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
> >> 200051 Shanghai, China
> >>
> >> www.slocat.net
> >> @SLOCATcornie
> >> +8613901949332
> >>
> >> <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:34:16 +0530
> > From: Ashok Datar <datar.ashok at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+=Uihv_z3+qtofsBAh0Lw9Y94nE2kRwzy+ZygwZiiUH3GAnyw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > dear todd, cornie and carlos and others
> > all the balancing of various TDM are good and necessary. but parking
> > restrictions and pricing is perhaps the first tdm which is location and a
> > user specific.
> > if we make parking difficult , resricted and apprpriately priced based on
> > demand and supply balance, this will get a larger no of people out of
> cars
> > and resort to either sharing, bussing or walking and bicing
> > u can achieve desired results
> > it is unpleasant but clear to understand
> > so it should not be excluded. rather it should be at the top of hierarchy
> > and when we free the road space, it provides space and extra passengers
> to
> > buses . and buses become more efficient as they carry more people for
> more
> > people distributing fixed cost over larger no of pass miles providing
> > substantial economies
> > ashok datar
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Cornie Huizenga <
> > cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Todd and others,
> >>
> >> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple
> economic
> >> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel. Key
> >> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> >> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
> >> often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a
> largely
> >> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> >>
> >> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> >> Avoid.
> >>
> >> Cornie
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <
> litman at vtpi.org
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Carlos!
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM)
> broadly
> >> to
> >>> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
> >>> transportation
> >>> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> >>> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes
> both
> >>> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit)
> and
> >>> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> >>> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that
> >> it
> >>> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which
> leverages
> >>> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sincerely,
> >>> Todd Litman
> >>> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> >>> litman at vtpi.org
> >>> facebook.com/todd.litman
> >>> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> >>> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> >>> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> >>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Sunny ICLEI
> >>> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> >>> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> >>> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> >>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>>
> >>> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> >>> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and
> some
> >>> that support the SHIFT idea.
> >>>
> >>> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this.
> >>> He
> >>> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >>>
> >>> Quoting Todd
> >>>
> >>> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management)
> >>> is
> >>> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> >>> transportation resources"
> >>>
> >>> hope this helps
> >>> cheers
> >>> sunny
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >>>> question to see people's views:
> >>>>
> >>>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>>> Or both?
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>>>
> >>>> Carlos.
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>>
> >>>> ================================================================
> >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>
> >>> ================================================================
> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------
> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>>
> >>> ================================================================
> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing
> countries
> >>> (the 'Global South').
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cornie Huizenga
> >> Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
> >> 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
> >> 200051 Shanghai, China
> >>
> >> www.slocat.net
> >> @SLOCATcornie
> >> +8613901949332
> >>
> >> <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ashok R. Datar
> > Mumbai Environmental Social Network (MESN) &
> > Mumbai Transport Forum (MTF)
> > *
> > *
> > 20 Madhavi, Makarand Society, S.V.S.Marg, Mahim-400 016
> > 98676 65107/0222 444 9212 see our website : www.mesn.org
> > *A city is developed not when poor ride or aspire for cars, but where the
> > rich use public transport*
> > *
> > *
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:19:59 -0700
> > From: "Todd Alexander Litman" <litman at vtpi.org>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: "'Cornie Huizenga'" <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> > Cc: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID: <018a01ced4c2$b701de60$25059b20$@org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Thanks Cornie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, I agree, to build support for TDM we must show that it increases
> rather
> > than reduces economic development. I believe that is the case, as
> discussed
> > in:
> >
> >
> >
> > Smart Transportation Economic Stimulation (www.vtpi.org/econ_stim.pdf ).
> >
> >
> >
> > Are Vehicle Travel Reduction Targets Justified? Evaluating Mobility
> > Management Policy Objectives Such As Targets To Reduce VMT And Increase
> Use
> > Of Alternative Modes (www.vtpi.org/vmt_red.pdf ).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it is important to emphasize the positive benefits of more
> efficient
> > transportation (congestion reductions, road and parking facility cost
> > savings, consumer savings and affordability, accident reductions,
> improved
> > mobility for non-drivers, improved public fitness and health, improved
> > community livability, etc.) and the wide variety of strategies that can
> be
> > used which meet the specific needs of each community. Vehicle quotas are
> > certainly appropriate in some situations, but to many people they sound
> > extreme ? they imply that TDM requires depriving people of their ability
> to
> > own a car. There are many other TDM strategies that I believe have wider
> > potential, such as bus priority lanes and BRT systems, walking and
> cycling
> > improvements, and parking policy reforms. For good examples see:
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Barter (2010) Parking Policy in Asian Cities, Asian Development Bank
> > (www.adb.org); at
> > http://beta.adb.org/publications/parking-policy-asian-cities. Also see
> > www.slideshare.net/PaulBarter/barter-for-adb-transport-forum-2010.
> >
> >
> >
> > GIZ (2003-2012), Sustainable Transportation: A Sourcebook for
> Policy-Makers
> > in Developing Countries, (www.sutp.org <http://www.sutp.org/> ), by the
> > Sustainable Urban Transport Project ? Asia (www.sutp-asia.org
> > <http://www.sutp-asia.org/> ) and Deutsche Gesellschaft fur Technische
> > Zusammenarbeit (www.gtz.de <http://www.gtz.de/> ).
> >
> >
> >
> > ITDP (2011), Better Street, Better Cities: A Guide To Street Design In
> Urban
> > India, Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org
> );
> > at www.itdp.org/betterstreets.
> >
> >
> >
> > James Leather, Herbert Fabian, Sudhir Gota and Alvin Mejia (2011),
> > Walkability and Pedestrian Facilities in Asian Cities: State and Issues,
> > Sustainable Development Working Paper, Asian Development Bank (
> www.adb.org);
> > at
> >
> http://cleanairinitiative.org/portal/sites/default/files/documents/ADB-WP17-
> > Walkability-Pedestrian-Facilities-Asian-Cities.pdf.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enrique Pe?alosa (2005), ?The Role Of Transport In Urban Development
> > Policy,? Sustainable Transport: A Sourcebook for Policy-makers in
> Developing
> > Cities, published by the Sustainable Urban Transport Project ? Asia
> > (www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php) and Deutsche Gesellschaft fur
> > Technische Zusammenarbeit (www.gtz.de <http://www.gtz.de/> ).
> >
> >
> >
> > Frederik Strompen, Todd Litman and Daniel Bongardt (2012), Reducing
> Carbon
> > Emissions Through TDM Strategies - A Review of International Examples,
> > Transportation Demand Management in Beijing (http://tdm-beijing.org)
> GIZ and
> > the Beijing Transportation Research Centre; at
> > http://tdm-beijing.org/files/International_Review.pdf; summary at
> > http://tdm-beijing.org/files/International_Review_Executive_Summary.pdf.
> >
> >
> >
> > UITP (2012), Better Urban Mobility in Developing Countries: Problems,
> > Solutions and Good Practices, International Association of Public
> Transport
> > (www.uitp.org); at
> www.uitp.org/publications/brochures/Dev-Countries-uk.pdf.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rachel Weinberger, et al. (2013), Parking Guidebook for Chinese Cities,
> > Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org); at
> > www.itdp.org/documents/Parking_Guidebook_for_Chinese_Cities.pdf.
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilbur Smith (2008), Traffic & Transportation Policies and Strategies in
> > Urban Areas in India, Ministry of Urban Development (
> www.urbanindia.nic.in);
> > at www.urbanindia.nic.in/programme/ut/final_Report.pdf.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lloyd Wright (2007), Bus Rapid Transit Planning Guide, Institute for
> > Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org <
> http://www.itdp.org/>
> > ); at www.itdp.org/index.php/microsite/brt_planning_guide.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lloyd Wright (2009), Environmentally Sustainable Transport For Asian
> Cities:
> > A Sourcebook, United Nations Centre for Regional Development
> > (www.uncrd.org.jp); at
> >
> http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/uncrd/unpan031844.pdf
> .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Todd Litman
> > Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org <http://www.vtpi.org/>
> )
> > litman at vtpi.org
> >
> > facebook.com/todd.litman
> > Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> > 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> > ?Efficiency - Equity - Clarity?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Cornie Huizenga [mailto:cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org]
> > Sent: October-29-13 8:32 AM
> > To: Todd Alexander Litman
> > Cc: Sunny ICLEI; Carlos Felipe Pardo; Global 'South' Sustainable
> Transport
> > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Todd and others,
> >
> >
> >
> > What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
> > growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel. Key
> > elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> > (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
> often
> > not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
> > incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> >
> >
> >
> > Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> > Avoid.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cornie
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Carlos!
> >
> > Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly
> to
> > include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
> transportation
> > system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> > (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
> > mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
> > travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> > development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that
> it
> > allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
> > reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Todd Litman
> > Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> > litman at vtpi.org
> > facebook.com/todd.litman
> > Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> > 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> > "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman
> > <mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces%2Blitman> =vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Sunny ICLEI
> > Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> > To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >
> > My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> > collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> > that support the SHIFT idea.
> >
> > I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on
> this. He
> > is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> >
> > Quoting Todd
> >
> > " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility
> Management) is
> > a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> > transportation resources"
> >
> > hope this helps
> > cheers
> > sunny
> >
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >> question to see people's views:
> >>
> >> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
> >> Or both?
> >>
> >> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>
> >> Carlos.
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >
> > ================================================================
> > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >
> > ================================================================
> > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Cornie Huizenga
> >
> > Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
> >
> > 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
> >
> > 200051 Shanghai, China
> >
> >
> >
> > www.slocat.net
> >
> > @SLOCATcornie
> >
> > +8613901949332
> >
> >
> >
> > <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
> >
> > <http://www.slocat.net/sites/default/files/webcover-final-01.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:46:36 +0530
> > From: Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>, "Global 'South'
> > Sustainable Transport" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAA9hbzUH1k+cF=hY5GdL=CzoqbPjYPF7y5G508xAvNudC83KYw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > As Sunny says I also feel that TDM is a collection of tools that cover
> the
> > entire spectrum from avoid, shift to improve. However I strongly feel
> that
> > the most effective TDM measure will vary from city to city (country to
> > country) and for its success will depend on which options are used as
> major
> > drivers of TDM.
> >
> > In other words, for a developing country like India, strong parking
> > controls, pollution levy, street designs that encourage NMT and Public
> > Transport but discourage personal automobile use, taxation that does
> > likewise and a strong outreach programme carried out in a democratic and
> > transparent manner would be the options to go for -- rather than car
> > sharing, higher efficiency engines, cleaner fuels and electric cars etc,
> > though by themselves these may be perfectly worth pursuing.
> >
> > But the prerequisite for this will of course be for the decision makers
> to
> > be first convinced of the absolute need for a sustainable transport
> vision
> > (as against a car dominated vision), Very often this is missing and what
> we
> > then get is a massive barrage of "double speak" where Government policies
> > pay lip service to good practices but there's zero implementation on the
> > ground. Normally this is also accompanied by non-existent monitoring and
> > reluctance to enforce pre determined goals and service level benchmarks
> > even where they exist.
> > --
> > Sujit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Carlosfelipe Pardo
> > <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >> question to see people's views:
> >>
> >> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> >> both?
> >>
> >> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>
> >> Carlos.
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick
> society.
> > *
> >
> > - J. Krishnamurti
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Sujit Patwardhan
> > patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com
> > sujit at parisar.org <sujitjp at gmail.com>
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India
> > Tel: +91 20 25537955
> > Cell: +91 98220 26627
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Blog: http://motif.posterous.com/
> > Parisar: www.parisar.org
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:48:46 +0800
> > From: "Lloyd Wright" <lwright at vivacities.org>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: "'Carlosfelipe Pardo'" <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>, "'Global 'South'
> > Sustainable Transport'" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID: <002301ced509$cc4ccbd0$64e66370$@vivacities.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Dear Carlos,
> >
> > As you see from the discussion, the answer in part depends on how one
> > defines TDM.
> >
> > However, if one confined the discussion to interventions that are most
> > typically associated with TDM (e.g. congestion charging, parking fees,
> > parking management, vehicle quotas, license plate restrictions, etc.),
> then
> > I would suggest the predominate impact is shift (at least in the short
> and
> > medium term). Of course, there can also be some "avoid" impact in the
> long
> > term.
> >
> > For example, if a city imposes a parking levy, then the most likely short
> > and medium term outcome would be a change in travel behavior in terms of
> > mode choice. A person is more likely to shift to another mode rather
> than
> > giving up going to work or school altogether (e.g. shifting from driving
> to
> > public transport). In the longer term, though, it is possible that the
> > person will make a locational change which reduces the distance traveled
> > (e.g. moving closer to work or school), which would represent "avoid".
> This
> > would also result in a "shift" since the new location may allow the
> person
> > to shift to walking.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Lloyd
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org
> > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Carlosfelipe Pardo
> > Sent: 29 October 2013 22:44
> > To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >
> > Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> > question to see people's views:
> >
> > Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> > both?
> >
> > Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >
> > Carlos.
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >
> > ================================================================
> > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> > (the 'Global South').
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:26:09 +0530
> > From: Ashok Datar <datar.ashok at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> > To: Lloyd Wright <lwright at vivacities.org>
> > Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> > <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> > Message-ID:
> > <CA+=UihuogX82moDqqtTORZQYLDvGoLh8O4bmSR9WWVADR14aNw at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > this has been a clear and simple articulation . I dont see any conflict
> > between shift and avoid . we need both and as much and as early as
> possible
> > hence we should call it shift and/or avoid agenda with varying focus on
> > local conditions
> > ashok datar
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Lloyd Wright <lwright at vivacities.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Carlos,
> >>
> >> As you see from the discussion, the answer in part depends on how one
> >> defines TDM.
> >>
> >> However, if one confined the discussion to interventions that are most
> >> typically associated with TDM (e.g. congestion charging, parking fees,
> >> parking management, vehicle quotas, license plate restrictions, etc.),
> then
> >> I would suggest the predominate impact is shift (at least in the short
> and
> >> medium term). Of course, there can also be some "avoid" impact in the
> long
> >> term.
> >>
> >> For example, if a city imposes a parking levy, then the most likely
> short
> >> and medium term outcome would be a change in travel behavior in terms of
> >> mode choice. A person is more likely to shift to another mode rather
> than
> >> giving up going to work or school altogether (e.g. shifting from
> driving to
> >> public transport). In the longer term, though, it is possible that the
> >> person will make a locational change which reduces the distance traveled
> >> (e.g. moving closer to work or school), which would represent "avoid".
> >> This
> >> would also result in a "shift" since the new location may allow the
> person
> >> to shift to walking.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Lloyd
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org
> >> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org
> ]
> >> On
> >> Behalf Of Carlosfelipe Pardo
> >> Sent: 29 October 2013 22:44
> >> To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> >> Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
> >>
> >> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> >> question to see people's views:
> >>
> >> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> >> both?
> >>
> >> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> >>
> >> Carlos.
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
> >>
> >> ================================================================
> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> >> (the 'Global South').
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ashok R. Datar
> > Mumbai Environmental Social Network (MESN) &
> > Mumbai Transport Forum (MTF)
> > *
> > *
> > 20 Madhavi, Makarand Society, S.V.S.Marg, Mahim-400 016
> > 98676 65107/0222 444 9212 see our website : www.mesn.org
> > *A city is developed not when poor ride or aspire for cars, but where the
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