[sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 119, Issue 8

Lisa Kane lisa at lisakane.co.za
Wed Oct 30 13:28:32 JST 2013


Dear all,

We have been discussing ASI recently in Cape Town and whether as a concept it is appropriate in our Southern contexts. On the positive side it focuses attention on alleviating vehicle congestion but there are no nods in ASI to our realities about poverty. We are playing with the words "Avoid, Shift, Improve and Advance Equity". Not very snappy but a reminder that for us there are broader matters at play.

Best wishes

Lisa Kane
www.lisakane.co.za

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>   1. Is TDM avoid or shift? (Carlosfelipe Pardo)
>   2. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Sunny ICLEI)
>   3. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Todd Alexander Litman)
>   4. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Cornie Huizenga)
>   5. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Pascal van den Noort)
>   6. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Ashok Datar)
>   7. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Todd Alexander Litman)
>   8. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Sujit Patwardhan)
>   9. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Lloyd Wright)
>  10. Re: Is TDM avoid or shift? (Ashok Datar)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:43:52 -0500
> From: Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: "Global 'South' Sustainable Transport"
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> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> question to see people's views:
> 
> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> both?
> 
> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> 
> Carlos.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:06:54 +0100
> From: Sunny ICLEI <sunny.iclei at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID: <21C67F3E-92E1-4049-8DDB-907283AF7094 at gmail.com>
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> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some that support the SHIFT idea. 
> 
> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this. He is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> 
> Quoting Todd
> 
> ? Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management) is a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of transportation resources?
> 
> hope this helps
> cheers
> sunny
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>> question to see people's views:
>> 
>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
>> both?
>> 
>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>> 
>> Carlos.
>> -------------------------------------------------------- 
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 08:24:36 -0700
> From: "Todd Alexander Litman" <litman at vtpi.org>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: "'Sunny ICLEI'" <sunny.iclei at gmail.com>,    "'Carlos Felipe Pardo'"
>    <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
> Cc: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID: <017301ced4ba$fa85ee90$ef91cbb0$@org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Thanks Carlos! 
> 
> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly to
> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase transportation
> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that it
> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
> reductions in their total vehicle travel. 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Todd Litman
> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> litman at vtpi.org
> facebook.com/todd.litman
> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf
> Of Sunny ICLEI
> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> 
> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> that support the SHIFT idea. 
> 
> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this. He
> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> 
> Quoting Todd
> 
> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management) is
> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> transportation resources"
> 
> hope this helps
> cheers
> sunny
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the 
>> question to see people's views:
>> 
>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? 
>> Or both?
>> 
>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>> 
>> Carlos.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit 
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
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> 
> ================================================================
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> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:31:54 -0300
> From: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
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> 
> Hi Todd and others,
> 
> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel.  Key
> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
> often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> 
> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> Avoid.
> 
> Cornie
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Carlos!
>> 
>> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly to
>> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
>> transportation
>> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
>> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
>> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
>> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
>> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that it
>> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
>> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Todd Litman
>> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
>> litman at vtpi.org
>> facebook.com/todd.litman
>> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
>> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
>> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Sunny ICLEI
>> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
>> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
>> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
>> 
>> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
>> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
>> that support the SHIFT idea.
>> 
>> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this.
>> He
>> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
>> 
>> Quoting Todd
>> 
>> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management)
>> is
>> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
>> transportation resources"
>> 
>> hope this helps
>> cheers
>> sunny
>> 
>> 
>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>>> question to see people's views:
>>> 
>>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
>>> Or both?
>>> 
>>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>>> 
>>> Carlos.
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>> 
>>> ================================================================
>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>> (the 'Global South').
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>> (the 'Global South').
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>> (the 'Global South').
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cornie Huizenga
> Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
> 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
> 200051 Shanghai, China
> 
> www.slocat.net
> @SLOCATcornie
> +8613901949332
> 
> <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:47:26 +0100
> From: Pascal van den Noort <operations at velomondial.net>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID: <B45E349C-6988-4741-A086-1B5F779359E1 at velomondial.net>
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> 
> Maybe the concept of Mobility Management comes in handy here. Have a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkUDXEVmaEg
> 
> Have a look atb some othe mobility concepts that fit in he debate as well: http://www.pas-port.info/#publisher_03
> 
> All video's only 4 minutes explaining the concepts for all
> 
> Pascal J.W. van den Noort
> Executive Director 
> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National
> 
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> Click here for information on urban mobility issues you always wanted to have
> 
> 
> On 29 okt. 2013, at 16:31, Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Todd and others,
>> 
>> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
>> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel.  Key
>> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
>> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
>> often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
>> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
>> 
>> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
>> Avoid.
>> 
>> Cornie
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Carlos!
>>> 
>>> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly to
>>> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
>>> transportation
>>> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
>>> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
>>> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
>>> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
>>> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that it
>>> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
>>> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Todd Litman
>>> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
>>> litman at vtpi.org
>>> facebook.com/todd.litman
>>> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
>>> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
>>> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
>>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Sunny ICLEI
>>> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
>>> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
>>> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
>>> 
>>> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
>>> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
>>> that support the SHIFT idea.
>>> 
>>> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this.
>>> He
>>> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
>>> 
>>> Quoting Todd
>>> 
>>> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management)
>>> is
>>> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
>>> transportation resources"
>>> 
>>> hope this helps
>>> cheers
>>> sunny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>>>> question to see people's views:
>>>> 
>>>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
>>>> Or both?
>>>> 
>>>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos.
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>>> 
>>>> ================================================================
>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>> 
>>> ================================================================
>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>> 
>>> ================================================================
>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cornie Huizenga
>> Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
>> 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
>> 200051 Shanghai, China
>> 
>> www.slocat.net
>> @SLOCATcornie
>> +8613901949332
>> 
>> <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
>> -------------------------------------------------------- 
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:34:16 +0530
> From: Ashok Datar <datar.ashok at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Cornie Huizenga <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID:
>    <CA+=Uihv_z3+qtofsBAh0Lw9Y94nE2kRwzy+ZygwZiiUH3GAnyw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> dear todd, cornie and carlos and others
> all the balancing of various TDM are good and necessary. but parking
> restrictions and pricing is perhaps the first tdm which is location and a
> user specific.
> if we make parking difficult , resricted and apprpriately priced based on
> demand and supply balance, this will get a larger no of people out of cars
> and resort to either sharing, bussing or walking and bicing
> u can achieve desired results
> it is unpleasant but clear to understand
> so it should not be excluded. rather it should be at the top of hierarchy
> and when we free the road space, it provides space and extra passengers to
> buses . and buses become more efficient as they carry more people for more
> people distributing fixed cost over larger no of pass miles providing
> substantial economies
> ashok datar
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Cornie Huizenga <
> cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Todd and others,
>> 
>> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
>> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel.  Key
>> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
>> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are
>> often not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
>> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
>> 
>> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
>> Avoid.
>> 
>> Cornie
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Carlos!
>>> 
>>> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly
>> to
>>> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase
>>> transportation
>>> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
>>> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
>>> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
>>> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
>>> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that
>> it
>>> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
>>> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Todd Litman
>>> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
>>> litman at vtpi.org
>>> facebook.com/todd.litman
>>> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
>>> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
>>> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
>>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Sunny ICLEI
>>> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
>>> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
>>> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
>>> 
>>> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
>>> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
>>> that support the SHIFT idea.
>>> 
>>> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this.
>>> He
>>> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
>>> 
>>> Quoting Todd
>>> 
>>> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management)
>>> is
>>> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
>>> transportation resources"
>>> 
>>> hope this helps
>>> cheers
>>> sunny
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>>>> question to see people's views:
>>>> 
>>>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
>>>> Or both?
>>>> 
>>>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos.
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>>> 
>>>> ================================================================
>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>> 
>>> ================================================================
>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------
>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>>> 
>>> ================================================================
>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>>> (the 'Global South').
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Cornie Huizenga
>> Joint Convener, SLoCaT Partnership
>> 317 Xianxia Road, B 1811
>> 200051 Shanghai, China
>> 
>> www.slocat.net
>> @SLOCATcornie
>> +8613901949332
>> 
>> <http://www.slocat.net/transportday2013>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
>> ================================================================
>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>> (the 'Global South').
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ashok R. Datar
> Mumbai Environmental Social Network (MESN) &
> Mumbai Transport Forum (MTF)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 09:19:59 -0700
> From: "Todd Alexander Litman" <litman at vtpi.org>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: "'Cornie Huizenga'" <cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org>
> Cc: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID: <018a01ced4c2$b701de60$25059b20$@org>
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> 
> Thanks Cornie,
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I agree, to build support for TDM we must show that it increases rather
> than reduces economic development. I believe that is the case, as discussed
> in:
> 
> 
> 
> Smart Transportation Economic Stimulation (www.vtpi.org/econ_stim.pdf ).
> 
> 
> 
> Are Vehicle Travel Reduction Targets Justified? Evaluating Mobility
> Management Policy Objectives Such As Targets To Reduce VMT And Increase Use
> Of Alternative Modes (www.vtpi.org/vmt_red.pdf ).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think it is important to emphasize the positive benefits of more efficient
> transportation (congestion reductions, road and parking facility cost
> savings, consumer savings and affordability, accident reductions, improved
> mobility for non-drivers, improved public fitness and health, improved
> community livability, etc.) and the wide variety of strategies that can be
> used which meet the specific needs of each community. Vehicle quotas are
> certainly appropriate in some situations, but to many people they sound
> extreme ? they imply that TDM requires depriving people of their ability to
> own a car. There are many other TDM strategies that I believe have wider
> potential, such as bus priority lanes and BRT systems, walking and cycling
> improvements, and parking policy reforms. For good examples see:
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Barter (2010) Parking Policy in Asian Cities, Asian Development Bank
> (www.adb.org); at
> http://beta.adb.org/publications/parking-policy-asian-cities. Also see
> www.slideshare.net/PaulBarter/barter-for-adb-transport-forum-2010.
> 
> 
> 
> GIZ (2003-2012), Sustainable Transportation: A Sourcebook for Policy-Makers
> in Developing Countries, (www.sutp.org <http://www.sutp.org/> ), by the
> Sustainable Urban Transport Project ? Asia (www.sutp-asia.org
> <http://www.sutp-asia.org/> ) and Deutsche Gesellschaft fur Technische
> Zusammenarbeit (www.gtz.de <http://www.gtz.de/> ).
> 
> 
> 
> ITDP (2011), Better Street, Better Cities: A Guide To Street Design In Urban
> India, Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org);
> at www.itdp.org/betterstreets. 
> 
> 
> 
> James Leather, Herbert Fabian, Sudhir Gota and Alvin Mejia (2011),
> Walkability and Pedestrian Facilities in Asian Cities: State and Issues,
> Sustainable Development Working Paper, Asian Development Bank (www.adb.org);
> at
> http://cleanairinitiative.org/portal/sites/default/files/documents/ADB-WP17-
> Walkability-Pedestrian-Facilities-Asian-Cities.pdf.
> 
> 
> 
> Enrique Pe?alosa (2005), ?The Role Of Transport In Urban Development
> Policy,? Sustainable Transport: A Sourcebook for Policy-makers in Developing
> Cities, published by the Sustainable Urban Transport Project ? Asia
> (www.sutp.org/download/sourcebookhome.php) and Deutsche Gesellschaft fur
> Technische Zusammenarbeit (www.gtz.de <http://www.gtz.de/> ).
> 
> 
> 
> Frederik Strompen, Todd Litman and Daniel Bongardt (2012), Reducing Carbon
> Emissions Through TDM Strategies - A Review of International Examples,
> Transportation Demand Management in Beijing (http://tdm-beijing.org) GIZ and
> the Beijing Transportation Research Centre; at
> http://tdm-beijing.org/files/International_Review.pdf; summary at
> http://tdm-beijing.org/files/International_Review_Executive_Summary.pdf. 
> 
> 
> 
> UITP (2012), Better Urban Mobility in Developing Countries: Problems,
> Solutions and Good Practices, International Association of Public Transport
> (www.uitp.org); at www.uitp.org/publications/brochures/Dev-Countries-uk.pdf.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rachel Weinberger, et al. (2013), Parking Guidebook for Chinese Cities,
> Institute for Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org); at
> www.itdp.org/documents/Parking_Guidebook_for_Chinese_Cities.pdf. 
> 
> 
> 
> Wilbur Smith (2008), Traffic & Transportation Policies and Strategies in
> Urban Areas in India, Ministry of Urban Development (www.urbanindia.nic.in);
> at www.urbanindia.nic.in/programme/ut/final_Report.pdf.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Wright (2007), Bus Rapid Transit Planning Guide, Institute for
> Transportation and Development Policy (www.itdp.org <http://www.itdp.org/>
> ); at www.itdp.org/index.php/microsite/brt_planning_guide.
> 
> 
> 
> Lloyd Wright (2009), Environmentally Sustainable Transport For Asian Cities:
> A Sourcebook, United Nations Centre for Regional Development
> (www.uncrd.org.jp); at
> http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/uncrd/unpan031844.pdf.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Todd Litman
> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org <http://www.vtpi.org/> )
> litman at vtpi.org
> 
> facebook.com/todd.litman
> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> ?Efficiency - Equity - Clarity?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Cornie Huizenga [mailto:cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org] 
> Sent: October-29-13 8:32 AM
> To: Todd Alexander Litman
> Cc: Sunny ICLEI; Carlos Felipe Pardo; Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Todd and others,
> 
> 
> 
> What is missing in the discussion so far is the need to decouple economic
> growth/social development by limiting/reducing individual travel.  Key
> elements of TDM for me are the vehicle quota's which we now see in China
> (following the example of SIngapore) and congestion charges. Those are often
> not low hanging fruits but not having them in place means a largely
> incomplete TDM strategy. Carlos - these are avoid measures.
> 
> 
> 
> Modal shifts to walking public transport - belong under Shift, not under
> Avoid.
> 
> 
> 
> Cornie
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Carlos!
> 
> Yes, I recommend defining Transportation Demand Management (TDM) broadly to
> include any strategy that changes travel behavior to increase transportation
> system efficiency. It excludes changes in the vehicle drive technology
> (e.g., it does not include hybrid or electric vehicles) but includes both
> mode shifts (from automobile to walking, cycling and public transit) and
> travel reduction strategies (pricing reforms, more compact community
> development, telework). Carsharing is a TDM strategy to the degree that it
> allows some households to reduce their vehicle ownership which leverages
> reductions in their total vehicle travel.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Todd Litman
> Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org)
> litman at vtpi.org
> facebook.com/todd.litman
> Office: 250-360-1560; Mobile: 250-508-5150
> 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA
> "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity"
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+litman=vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+litman
> <mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces%2Blitman> =vtpi.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Sunny ICLEI
> Sent: October-29-13 8:07 AM
> To: Carlos Felipe Pardo
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> 
> My understanding of TDM is not one single tool or strategy. It is a
> collection of tools there are tools that support the Avoid idea and some
> that support the SHIFT idea.
> 
> I am sure if Todd Litman is reading this he will shed more light on this. He
> is the creator of the wonderful TDM toolkit http://www.vtpi.org/tdm/
> 
> Quoting Todd
> 
> " Transportation Demand Management (TDM, also called Mobility Management) is
> a general term for strategies that result in more efficient use of
> transportation resources"
> 
> hope this helps
> cheers
> sunny
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2013, at 15:43, Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>> question to see people's views:
>> 
>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift?
>> Or both?
>> 
>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>> 
>> Carlos.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:46:36 +0530
> From: Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>,    "Global 'South'
>    Sustainable Transport" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> As Sunny says I also feel that TDM is a collection of tools that cover the
> entire spectrum from avoid, shift to improve. However I strongly feel that
> the most effective TDM measure will vary from city to city (country to
> country) and for its success will depend on which options are used as major
> drivers of TDM.
> 
> In  other words, for a developing country like India, strong parking
> controls, pollution levy, street designs that encourage NMT and Public
> Transport but discourage personal automobile use, taxation that does
> likewise and a strong outreach programme carried out in a democratic and
> transparent manner would be the options to go for -- rather than car
> sharing, higher efficiency engines, cleaner fuels and electric cars etc,
> though by themselves these may be perfectly worth pursuing.
> 
> But the prerequisite for this will of course be for the decision makers to
> be first convinced of the absolute need for a sustainable transport vision
> (as against a car dominated vision), Very often this is missing and what we
> then get is a massive barrage of "double speak" where Government policies
> pay lip service to good practices but there's zero implementation on the
> ground. Normally this is also accompanied by non-existent monitoring and
> reluctance to enforce pre determined goals and service level benchmarks
> even where they exist.
> --
> Sujit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Carlosfelipe Pardo
> <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>> question to see people's views:
>> 
>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
>> both?
>> 
>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>> 
>> Carlos.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
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>> (the 'Global South').
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:48:46 +0800
> From: "Lloyd Wright" <lwright at vivacities.org>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: "'Carlosfelipe Pardo'" <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>,    "'Global 'South'
>    Sustainable Transport'" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Message-ID: <002301ced509$cc4ccbd0$64e66370$@vivacities.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Dear Carlos,
> 
> As you see from the discussion, the answer in part depends on how one
> defines TDM.
> 
> However, if one confined the discussion to interventions that are most
> typically associated with TDM (e.g. congestion charging, parking fees,
> parking management, vehicle quotas, license plate restrictions, etc.), then
> I would suggest the predominate impact is shift (at least in the short and
> medium term).  Of course, there can also be some "avoid" impact in the long
> term.
> 
> For example, if a city imposes a parking levy, then the most likely short
> and medium term outcome would be a change in travel behavior in terms of
> mode choice.  A person is more likely to shift to another mode rather than
> giving up going to work or school altogether (e.g. shifting from driving to
> public transport).  In the longer term, though, it is possible that the
> person will make a locational change which reduces the distance traveled
> (e.g. moving closer to work or school), which would represent "avoid".  This
> would also result in a "shift" since the new location may allow the person
> to shift to walking.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lloyd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of Carlosfelipe Pardo
> Sent: 29 October 2013 22:44
> To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
> 
> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
> question to see people's views:
> 
> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
> both?
> 
> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
> 
> Carlos.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:26:09 +0530
> From: Ashok Datar <datar.ashok at gmail.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Is TDM avoid or shift?
> To: Lloyd Wright <lwright at vivacities.org>
> Cc: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>    <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
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> 
> this has been a clear and simple articulation . I dont see any conflict
> between shift and avoid . we need both and as much and as early as possible
> hence we should call it shift and/or avoid agenda with varying focus on
> local conditions
> ashok datar
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Lloyd Wright <lwright at vivacities.org>wrote:
> 
>> Dear Carlos,
>> 
>> As you see from the discussion, the answer in part depends on how one
>> defines TDM.
>> 
>> However, if one confined the discussion to interventions that are most
>> typically associated with TDM (e.g. congestion charging, parking fees,
>> parking management, vehicle quotas, license plate restrictions, etc.), then
>> I would suggest the predominate impact is shift (at least in the short and
>> medium term).  Of course, there can also be some "avoid" impact in the long
>> term.
>> 
>> For example, if a city imposes a parking levy, then the most likely short
>> and medium term outcome would be a change in travel behavior in terms of
>> mode choice.  A person is more likely to shift to another mode rather than
>> giving up going to work or school altogether (e.g. shifting from driving to
>> public transport).  In the longer term, though, it is possible that the
>> person will make a locational change which reduces the distance traveled
>> (e.g. moving closer to work or school), which would represent "avoid".
>> This
>> would also result in a "shift" since the new location may allow the person
>> to shift to walking.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Lloyd
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org
>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+lwright=vivacities.org at list.jca.apc.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Carlosfelipe Pardo
>> Sent: 29 October 2013 22:44
>> To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
>> Subject: [sustran] Is TDM avoid or shift?
>> 
>> Ok, probably this has been discussed before, but I'd like to pose the
>> question to see people's views:
>> 
>> Under the ASI (avoid shift improve) approach, is TDM avoid or shift? Or
>> both?
>> 
>> Happy to hear everyone's views. I say shift!
>> 
>> Carlos.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit
>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss
>> 
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>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
>> (the 'Global South').
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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