From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Mar 1 18:37:32 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 10:37:32 +0100 Subject: [sustran] 7 simple truths of sustainable mobility In-Reply-To: <97439771.63087701298970674598.JavaMail.app@rbg17.atlis1> References: <97439771.63087701298970674598.JavaMail.app@rbg17.atlis1> Message-ID: <015601cbd7f4$4c1815b0$e4484110$@britton@ecoplan.org> Simon, I don't wish to give the impression that I think I have an answer to every good point that you and the others are bringing up, but please let me share a couple of quick thoughts with you on the points you make this morning: 1. When we speak of the importance of bringing in a much wider range of affordable and competitive non-own car options, it is not only the thin red line of carsharing and ridesharing. The gamut of available and proven new mobility services is very very wide, and of course includes improvements and innovations in traditional public transport services. 2. And if the new or improved non-car services "take away" patronage from scheduled services, it is just because they offer better service to people. In this new context that should not be a problem, since the latter are part of the package and will be major beneficiaries of the new web of policy and practice in the sector. The New Mobility Agenda does not spell the death of traditional scheduled, fixed route transit,. To the contrary it creates the conditions of a new Spring of innovation and adjustment for public transport operators to help them find their place in the new and much different mobility requirements of a 21st century, and to many, at times 24 hour city. 3. And oh yes, the goal is not just "car like" mobility -- but "better than own-cars" in the new operating environment which will offer more space efficient, resource efficient, affordable and softer transport options. But at the end of the day, I feat that what I am seeing here is that my "seven simple truths" are perhaps not yet well enough expressed to convince. So I shall have to get back to work on it. For of one thing I am sure: if it can't be expressed clearly convincingly on a single readable page, then it will never get done. Eric Britton On Behalf Of Simon Norton Sent: Monday, 28 February, 2011 10:47 1. Our measures must include whether people can in fact make the journeys they need and want to make. A big danger of systems based on carpooling and ridesharing is that they do not provide reliable transport for people without cars, and may in fact abstract revenue from public transport which does try to do so. 2. I think that aspiring to car-like mobility for all is a bit optimistic. Public transport may be able to compete in these terms where there is heavy congestion (which would be avoided if most people switched to public transport), or where parking is a major problem, or for journeys which can use fast rail transport. But we need to reduce the expectations of motorists. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you can offer car-like mobility to some of the people all of the time (which is what we're doing now, at huge environmental cost), or all of the people some of the time (which is what would happen if we designed cars out of our cities), but it is optimistic to hope to offer it to all of the people all of the time and we should not regard it as a flaw in a system that it does not do that. Simon Norton From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 20:00:09 2011 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:30:09 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Dear Eric, This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood boil. Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims of this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? Regards, -- Sujit On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton wrote: > > > > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* > > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. Our > thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast > recovery. > > Link to the Video: > > http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ > > Regards, > The CFM Coordination Office > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > City of Stuttgart, Germany > Coordination Office Cities for Mobility > Mayor's Policy Office > Mobility Department > Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart > > Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 > Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 > E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de > Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender| Reply > to group| Reply > via web post| Start > a New Topic > Messages in this topic( > 1) > Recent Activity: > > > Visit Your Group > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) > MARKETPLACE > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get > the Yahoo! 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Terms > of Use > . > > __,_._,___ > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city?* Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujit@parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From operations at velomondial.net Tue Mar 1 22:21:53 2011 From: operations at velomondial.net (Pascal van den Noort) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:21:53 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <7C59E221-B84E-406A-B087-9CB6012F7095@velomondial.net> Yesterday I have put the video on Velo Mondial's blog and I have brought it to the attention of the Safer BraIn Consortium, a project on safety and security of vulnerable road users in Brazil and India. A small step indeed, but maybe many of these small steps help the whole movement forward. We are in shock over here! Pascal J.W. van den Noort Executive Director Velo Mondial operations@velomondial.net +31206270675 landline +31627055688 mobile phone Click here to follow Velo Mondial's Blog Visit Velo Mondial's blog here -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We wish them a fast >> recovery. >> >> Link to the Video: >> >> http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ >> >> Regards, >> The CFM Coordination Office >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> City of Stuttgart, Germany >> Coordination Office Cities for Mobility >> Mayor's Policy Office >> Mobility Department >> Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart >> >> Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 >> Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 >> E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de >> Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> Reply to sender| Reply >> to group| Reply >> via web post| Start >> a New Topic >> Messages in this topic( >> 1) >> Recent Activity: >> >> >> Visit Your Group >> Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org >> To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com >> Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole >> (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) >> MARKETPLACE >> >> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get >> the Yahoo! 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Terms >> of Use >> . >> >> __,_._,___ >> > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city?* > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujit@parisar.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Mar 1 23:02:26 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:02:26 +0100 Subject: [sustran] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Uni=E3o_de_Ciclistas_do_Brasil=2C_UCB?= In-Reply-To: <919379.61797.qm@web120220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <919379.61797.qm@web120220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <030f01cbd819$4e39bd60$eaad3820$@britton@ecoplan.org> This is absolutely brilliant, deep and a very powerful action and stepping stone for a better future. Isto ? absolutamente brilhante, profundo e uma a??o muito poderosa e um trampolim para um futuro melhor. Eric Britton http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/what-can-we-learn-from-the-murd erous-attack-on-cyclists-in-porto-alegre-on-friday/ From cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org Wed Mar 2 10:55:35 2011 From: cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org (Cornie Huizenga) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:55:35 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Dear Sujit, This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a good manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is actually apprehended. My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on the street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were trying to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally died for. Cornie On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan wrote: > Dear Eric, > > This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood > boil. > > Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims of > this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? > > Regards, > > -- > Sujit > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton >wrote: > > > > > > > > > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* > > > > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car > > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike > > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. > Our > > thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast > > recovery. > > > > Link to the Video: > > > > > http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ > > > > Regards, > > The CFM Coordination Office > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > City of Stuttgart, Germany > > Coordination Office Cities for Mobility > > Mayor's Policy Office > > Mobility Department > > Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart > > > > Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 > > Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 > > E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de > > Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > Reply to sender< > eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| > Reply > > to group< > WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| > Reply > > via web post< > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133>| > Start > > a New Topic< > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- > > > > Messages in this topic< > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz > >( > > 1) > > Recent Activity: > > > > > > Visit Your Group< > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- > > > > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org > > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com > > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole > > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) > > MARKETPLACE > > > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - > Get > > the Yahoo! 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Terms > > of Use > > . > > > > __,_._,___ > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city?* > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujit@parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Cornie Huizenga Joint Convener Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport Mobile: +86 13901949332 cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org www.slocat.net From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 11:21:07 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:21:07 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi, There has been a very strong discussion between yesterday and today regarding this issue in the listgroups from Latin America (SUTP-LAC, Sustran-LAC, Cicloamerica, Cities for Mobility, Cicloviarios), which unfortunately is all in Spanish and Portuguese. World Streets has some information, and the evolution has been mainly characterized by pacific protests in Sao Paulo, Porto Alegre, and even Santiago de Chile. There is also a very interesting letter written by the Union of Brazilian Cyclists (UCB) which was sent today to all media in Brazil, in which they propose that the driver does social work in a hospital and helps in treatment to the victims. Unfortunately, the driver was clever legally. He has a good lawyer, and he has said that he was acting to defend himself and out of fright (he was with his son - !!!! - in the car and said that the cyclists were about to do something bad to him). The result at this point is that he has been taken to a psychiatric hospital as a patient... it reminds me of a recent Batman movie... I think it would be very useful if we write a letter (in English, we can find someone to translate) to show that Sustran members are also concerned about these issues and demand justice. It would be a very nice complement to the work being done in Latin America. Best regards, Carlos. On 1 March 2011 20:55, Cornie Huizenga < cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > Dear Sujit, > > This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a good > manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is actually > apprehended. > > My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on the > street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were trying > to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to > give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our > friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing > who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and > many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our > websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally > died for. > > Cornie > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan < > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Dear Eric, > > > > This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood > > boil. > > > > Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims > of > > this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? > > > > Regards, > > > > -- > > Sujit > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* > > > > > > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car > > > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike > > > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. > > Our > > > thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast > > > recovery. > > > > > > Link to the Video: > > > > > > > > > http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ > > > > > > Regards, > > > The CFM Coordination Office > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > City of Stuttgart, Germany > > > Coordination Office Cities for Mobility > > > Mayor's Policy Office > > > Mobility Department > > > Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart > > > > > > Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 > > > Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 > > > E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de > > > Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > Reply to sender< > > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil > >| > > Reply > > > to group< > > > WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil > >| > > Reply > > > via web post< > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133 > >| > > Start > > > a New Topic< > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- > > > > > > Messages in this topic< > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz > > >( > > > 1) > > > Recent Activity: > > > > > > > > > Visit Your Group< > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- > > > > > > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org > > > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com > > > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole > > > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) > > > MARKETPLACE > > > > > > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - > > Get > > > the Yahoo! 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Terms > > > of Use > > > . > > > > > > __,_._,___ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > > to destroy the city?* > > > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > > Munich 1970 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sujit Patwardhan > > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > > sujit@parisar.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > Cornie Huizenga > Joint Convener > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > www.slocat.net > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From edelman at greenidea.eu Wed Mar 2 11:27:02 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 03:27:02 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4D6DAAF6.7000406@greenidea.eu> Hi, I read that he is being indicted for "attempted murder" but I was not clear if it is just one charge or e.g. one charge per injured person. - T On 02/03/11 03:21, Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > Hi, > > There has been a very strong discussion between yesterday and today > regarding this issue in the listgroups from Latin America (SUTP-LAC, > Sustran-LAC, Cicloamerica, Cities for Mobility, Cicloviarios), which > unfortunately is all in Spanish and Portuguese. World Streets has some > information, and the evolution has been mainly characterized by pacific > protests in Sao Paulo, Porto Alegre, and even Santiago de Chile. There is > also a very interesting letter written by the Union of Brazilian Cyclists > (UCB) which was sent today to all media in Brazil, in which they propose > that the driver does social work in a hospital and helps in treatment to the > victims. > > Unfortunately, the driver was clever legally. He has a good lawyer, and he > has said that he was acting to defend himself and out of fright (he was with > his son - !!!! - in the car and said that the cyclists were about to do > something bad to him). The result at this point is that he has been taken to > a psychiatric hospital as a patient... it reminds me of a recent Batman > movie... > > I think it would be very useful if we write a letter (in English, we can > find someone to translate) to show that Sustran members are also concerned > about these issues and demand justice. It would be a very nice complement to > the work being done in Latin America. > > Best regards, > > Carlos. > > On 1 March 2011 20:55, Cornie Huizenga< > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > >> Dear Sujit, >> >> This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a good >> manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is actually >> apprehended. >> >> My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on the >> street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were trying >> to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to >> give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our >> friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing >> who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and >> many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our >> websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally >> died for. >> >> Cornie >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan< >> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> Dear Eric, >>> >>> This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood >>> boil. >>> >>> Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims >> of >>> this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Sujit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* >>>> >>>> Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car >>>> attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike >>>> manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. >>> Our >>>> thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast >>>> recovery. >>>> >>>> Link to the Video: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ >>>> Regards, >>>> The CFM Coordination Office >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> City of Stuttgart, Germany >>>> Coordination Office Cities for Mobility >>>> Mayor's Policy Office >>>> Mobility Department >>>> Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart >>>> >>>> Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 >>>> Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 >>>> E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de >>>> Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __._,_.___ >>>> Reply to sender< >> eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil >>> | >>> Reply >>>> to group< >> WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil >>> | >>> Reply >>>> via web post< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133 >>> | >>> Start >>>> a New Topic< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>>> Messages in this topic< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz >>>> ( >>>> 1) >>>> Recent Activity: >>>> >>>> >>>> Visit Your Group< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>>> Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org >>>> To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com >>>> Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole >>>> (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) >>>> MARKETPLACE >>>> >>>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - >>> Get >>>> the Yahoo! 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Terms >>>> of Use >>>> . >>>> >>>> __,_._,___ >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment >>> to destroy the city?* >>> >>> Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel >>> Munich 1970 >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Sujit Patwardhan >>> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >>> sujit@parisar.org >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India >>> Tel: +91 20 25537955 >>> Cell: +91 98220 26627 >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Parisar: www.parisar.org >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cornie Huizenga >> Joint Convener >> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >> www.slocat.net >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 11:32:11 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:32:11 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility] Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: <4D6DAAF6.7000406@greenidea.eu> References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> <4D6DAAF6.7000406@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: This summary below may be useful (google translate may be useful). I apologize to moderators of the list, since this is an English-speaking list, but I think this issue merits bending that rule? Begin forwarded message: *[for English, please use **translate google* *]* Hola Se?ores, Yo soy nuevo en estas listas pero estoy trabajando con mucha fuerza aqui en S?o Paulo para que tengamos un cambio real despues del episodio en Porto Alegre. Yo participo de la Masa Cr?tica de S?o Paulo, Brasil, y trabajo con movilidad en diferentes instituciones. Me gustaria ayudar a alinear las acciones locales, nacionales y globales para este tema: *1. En S?o Paulo* estamos hicimos un paseo hayer en solidaridad a las victimas de Porto Alegre. Los resultados estan en este link: http://vadebike.org/2011/03/como-foi-a-manifestacao-de-apoio-aos-ciclistas-de-porto-alegre/ Muchas otras ciudades de Brasil est?n haciendo lo mismo: http://vadebike.org/2011/03/mais-manifestacoes-pelo-que-ocorreu-em-porto-alegre/ *2.* Pero tanbi?n creemos que ?s neces?rio una *movilizaci?n pol?tica*, y por eso estamos iniciando una carta firmada por diversas instituciones de S?o Paulo, Brasil y del mundo contra la violencia e impunidad en el tr?nsito. Tenemos leis de respecho a los ciclistas y peatones pero no se practican. Queremos cambiar este cenario y necesitamos de su ayuda! *3. Mobilizaci?n virtual*: En twitter, estamos utilizando el rash tag #naofoiacidente, para decir que el caso de Porto alegre "no fue un accidente!" *Por favor, divulgue!!* Los que pueden ayudar, por favor escribir para mi y asi conectamos la red. Saludos! *Jo?o Paulo Amaral** *Massa Cr?tica S?o Paulo skype: jpmamaral End forwarded message. On 1 March 2011 21:27, Todd Edelman wrote: > Hi, > > I read that he is being indicted for "attempted murder" but I was not clear > if it is just one charge or e.g. one charge per injured person. > > - T > > > On 02/03/11 03:21, Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> There has been a very strong discussion between yesterday and today >> regarding this issue in the listgroups from Latin America (SUTP-LAC, >> Sustran-LAC, Cicloamerica, Cities for Mobility, Cicloviarios), which >> unfortunately is all in Spanish and Portuguese. World Streets has some >> information, and the evolution has been mainly characterized by pacific >> protests in Sao Paulo, Porto Alegre, and even Santiago de Chile. There is >> also a very interesting letter written by the Union of Brazilian Cyclists >> (UCB) which was sent today to all media in Brazil, in which they propose >> that the driver does social work in a hospital and helps in treatment to >> the >> victims. >> >> Unfortunately, the driver was clever legally. He has a good lawyer, and he >> has said that he was acting to defend himself and out of fright (he was >> with >> his son - !!!! - in the car and said that the cyclists were about to do >> something bad to him). The result at this point is that he has been taken >> to >> a psychiatric hospital as a patient... it reminds me of a recent Batman >> movie... >> >> I think it would be very useful if we write a letter (in English, we can >> find someone to translate) to show that Sustran members are also concerned >> about these issues and demand justice. It would be a very nice complement >> to >> the work being done in Latin America. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Carlos. >> >> On 1 March 2011 20:55, Cornie Huizenga< >> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: >> >> Dear Sujit, >>> >>> This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a >>> good >>> manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is >>> actually >>> apprehended. >>> >>> My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on >>> the >>> street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were >>> trying >>> to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to >>> give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our >>> friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation >>> summarizing >>> who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites >>> and >>> many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our >>> websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally >>> died for. >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan< >>> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> Dear Eric, >>>> >>>> This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my >>>> blood >>>> boil. >>>> >>>> Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims >>>> >>> of >>> >>>> this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sujit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* >>>>> >>>>> Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car >>>>> attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike >>>>> manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. >>>>> >>>> Our >>>> >>>>> thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast >>>>> recovery. >>>>> >>>>> Link to the Video: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ >>> >>>> Regards, >>>>> The CFM Coordination Office >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> City of Stuttgart, Germany >>>>> Coordination Office Cities for Mobility >>>>> Mayor's Policy Office >>>>> Mobility Department >>>>> Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart >>>>> >>>>> Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 >>>>> Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 >>>>> E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de >>>>> Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> Reply to sender< >>>>> >>>> >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil >>> >>>> | >>>> Reply >>>> >>>>> to group< >>>>> >>>> >>> WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil >>> >>>> | >>>> Reply >>>> >>>>> via web post< >>>>> >>>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133 >>> >>>> | >>>> Start >>>> >>>>> a New Topic< >>>>> >>>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>> >>>> Messages in this topic< >>>>> >>>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz >>> >>>> ( >>>>> 1) >>>>> Recent Activity: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Visit Your Group< >>>>> >>>> >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>> >>>> Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org >>>>> To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole >>>>> (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) >>>>> MARKETPLACE >>>>> >>>>> Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - >>>>> >>>> Get >>>> >>>>> the Yahoo! 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This spontaneous decentralised response is good but for putting political pressure if someone in Porto Alegre could suggest a website/blog on which thousands of messages can be sent. I'm sure everyone, no matter in what part of the world they live, feel personally touched by this horrible and shocking tragedy/crime(?) and would like to do something to ensure this kind of insanity does not ever happen again. I feel this could bring enough pressure - so authorities will act and not let the driver get away with a mild reprimand. We know how clever lawyers can be. Perhaps I-CE or Carlos or a CSO in Porto Alegre can help set this up? Regards, -- Sujit On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Cornie Huizenga < cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > Dear Sujit, > > This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a good > manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is actually > apprehended. > > My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on the > street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were trying > to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to > give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our > friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing > who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and > many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our > websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally > died for. > > Cornie > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan < > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Eric, >> >> This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood >> boil. >> >> Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims of >> this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Sujit >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton > >wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* >> > >> > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car >> > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike >> > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. >> Our >> > thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast >> > recovery. >> > >> > Link to the Video: >> > >> > >> http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ >> > >> > Regards, >> > The CFM Coordination Office >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > City of Stuttgart, Germany >> > Coordination Office Cities for Mobility >> > Mayor's Policy Office >> > Mobility Department >> > Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart >> > >> > Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 >> > Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 >> > E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de >> > Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __._,_.___ >> > Reply to sender< >> eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| >> Reply >> > to group< >> WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| >> Reply >> > via web post< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133>| >> Start >> > a New Topic< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >> > >> > Messages in this topic< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz >> >( >> > 1) >> > Recent Activity: >> > >> > >> > Visit Your Group< >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >> > >> >> > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org >> > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com >> > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole >> > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) >> > MARKETPLACE >> > >> > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - >> Get >> > the Yahoo! 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Maybe he can give an update of what follow-up is being planned in Porte Allegre.. Cornie On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Sujit Patwardhan wrote: > > > > There appears to be a lot of activity on this front as seen from emails > that are coming in, including Carlos Pardo's that has a message in Spanish > which I was able to understand thanks to Google Translate. This spontaneous > decentralised response is good but for putting political pressure if someone > in Porto Alegre could suggest a website/blog on which thousands of messages > can be sent. > > I'm sure everyone, no matter in what part of the world they live, feel > personally touched by this horrible and shocking tragedy/crime(?) and would > like to do something to ensure this kind of insanity does not ever happen > again. > > I feel this could bring enough pressure - so authorities will act and not > let the driver get away with a mild reprimand. We know how clever lawyers > can be. > > Perhaps I-CE or Carlos or a CSO in Porto Alegre can help set this up? > > Regards, > -- > Sujit > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Cornie Huizenga < > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > >> Dear Sujit, >> >> This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a >> good manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is >> actually apprehended. >> >> My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on the >> street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were trying >> to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important to >> give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our >> friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing >> who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and >> many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our >> websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally >> died for. >> >> Cornie >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan < >> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Eric, >>> >>> This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my blood >>> boil. >>> >>> Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims >>> of >>> this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> -- >>> Sujit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton >> >wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* >>> > >>> > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car >>> > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike >>> > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. >>> Our >>> > thoughts are with the injured and their families. We wish them a fast >>> > recovery. >>> > >>> > Link to the Video: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/51205/Driver-kill-cyclists-in-Critical-Mass-Porto-Alegre-Brazil/ >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > The CFM Coordination Office >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > City of Stuttgart, Germany >>> > Coordination Office Cities for Mobility >>> > Mayor's Policy Office >>> > Mobility Department >>> > Rathaus, Marktplatz 1, 70173 Stuttgart >>> > >>> > Tel: +49 (0)711 216 - 85 01 >>> > Fax: +49 (0)711 216 - 61 05 >>> > E-Mail: cfm@stuttgart.de >>> > Website: http://www.cities-for-mobility.org >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __._,_.___ >>> > Reply to sender< >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| >>> Reply >>> > to group< >>> WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20FW%3A%20%5BCities-for-Mobility%5D%20Solidarity%20Address%20with%20cyclists%20attacked%20at%20bike%20event%20in%20Brazil>| >>> Reply >>> > via web post< >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZm9jamhhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNA--?act=reply&messageNum=1133>| >>> Start >>> > a New Topic< >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTcydTR2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>> > >>> > Messages in this topic< >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike/message/1133;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MnJtMXVnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRtc2dJZAMxMTMzBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5ODk3NTkzNAR0cGNJZAMxMTMz >>> >( >>> > 1) >>> > Recent Activity: >>> > >>> > >>> > Visit Your Group< >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorldCityBike;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcTBwcHQxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIxNTcyNjczBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI5NTI2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyOTg5NzU5MzQ- >>> > >>> >>> > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org >>> > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com >>> > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole >>> > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) >>> > MARKETPLACE >>> > >>> > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - >>> Get >>> > the Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <018f01cbd8b3$cefb1c60$6cf15520$@britton@ecoplan.org> In case you missed this yesterday on World Streets What can we learn from the murderous attack on cyclists in Porto Alegre on?Friday? Posted on 1 March 2011 by Eric Britton, editor Porto Alegre Brazil. 25 February 2011. At least forty people were injured when a mad driver slammed his car into a pack of more than 100 cyclists in the city of Porto Alegre in Brazil. The cyclists, mainly young people, were staging a peaceful demonstration calling for a reduction in the number of cars on the streets. The 47-year-old male driver fled the scene of the incident Friday evening and was later arrested after authorities found his abandoned car over the weekend For full article: http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/what-can-we-learn-from-the-murd erous-attack-on-cyclists-in-porto-alegre-on-friday/ Eric Britton From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 3 00:16:03 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:16:03 +0100 Subject: [sustran] [World Streets] A "Street Code" for Porto Alegre Message-ID: <03e001cbd8ec$c17fa2c0$447ee840$@britton@ecoplan.org> A "STREET CODE" FOR PORTO ALEGRE Eric Britton, editor | 2 March 2011 at 14:35 | Categories: behavior, bike bicycle, health safety, Latin America, Law, psychology, street share | URL: Dear Porto Alegre and Brazilian Friends, With all due respect, I propose that you give some thought to organizing to get strong citizen and multi-party support to exact "appropriate compensation" for Friday's horrible, dumb and indeed tragic event on the streets of your beautiful city. I would imagine that this is an ideal opportunity to get something very important and far-sighed out of a shaken city administration. Time counts here. You should thus be able to exact what you need today far better than just one week ago. Or a month or more from now once the heat has dissipated. Read more of this post: http://wp.me/psKUY-1oD Add a comment to this post - http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/a-street-code-for-porto-alegre/ #respond From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:35:30 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 06:35:30 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Betr.: Re: Re: [WorldCityBike] FW: [Cities-for-Mobility]Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil In-Reply-To: <4D6E1FDA.3B56.0017.0@cycling.nl> References: <-8033874089239929613@unknownmsgid> <4D6E1FDA.3B56.0017.0@cycling.nl> Message-ID: Roelof, Thanks for writing. A petititon has been developed by UCB (see below in Portuguese, I think this is the latest draft), which I think is very balanced and could be used. I agree that we should push as much as possible so that an exemplary action is seen. *Senhores (as), Editores e Diretores,* A Uni?o de Ciclistas do Brasil, UCB, vem por meio desta solicitar que o b?rbaro atropelamento de dez ciclistas numa via p?blica de Porto Alegre, ocorrido nesta ?ltima sexta feira, 25 de Fevereiro de 2011, seja tema de reflex?o continuada na pauta semanal do jornal. Ao tempo em que lamenta mais este ato de viol?ncia urbana lembramos que o direito de ?ir e vir? constante na Constitui??o Federal ? atribu?do ao * indiv?duo* e n?o ao seu modal de transporte. Todo e qualquer cidad?o, principalmente os condutores de ve?culos motorizados, deve sempre respeitar as regras de tr?nsito estabelecidas em lei, no caso o C?digo de Tr?nsito Brasileiro ? CTB. Devem ser observadas preced?ncias: pedestres, depois ciclistas, t?m prioridade sobre os demais modos de deslocamento. Devem os condutores de ve?culos mais r?pidos e pesados proteger e guardar pela seguran?a dos ve?culos mais fr?geis e lentos e, principalmente, dos pedestres. Pedestres, todos n?s somos, incluindo o condutor de qualquer ve?culo. O Brasil ? cada dia mais urbano, o que nos faz uma sociedade em constante disputa por espa?os e oportunidades. H? de haver sempre negocia??o pac?fica no uso destes espa?os p?blicos. ? assim que se construir? a nova cidade e uma nova cidadania voltada para a vida de todos. Hoje a disputa ? injusta porque ainda se acredita no sonho da liberdade motorizada. Liberdade vem com a equidade. Em qualquer situa??o especial, seja de calamidade, seja de emerg?ncia, ou mesmo em manifesta??es p?blicas, que a hist?ria as faz leg?timas, como a desenvolvida pelos ciclistas de Porto Alegre, h? de se ter aten??o especial, preponderar a toler?ncia, a urbanidade. O uso da bicicleta como ve?culo de transporte regular ? hoje um fato, uma realidade. A cidade n?o ? s? do e para o autom?vel. Nas na??es mais desenvolvidas, com melhores indicadores de desenvolvimento humano, temos o fortalecimento das boas pr?ticas para gerar o crescente uso da bicicleta. Isto acontece porque este ve?culo simples, de f?cil uso, que ocupa poucos espa?os, ambientalmente correto, tr?s benef?cios ao indiv?duo, ao bairro, ? cidade e ? macro economia dos pa?ses. Bicicleta ? coisa de pa?s rico, provam todos os n?meros. Aqui continuamos agindo com preconceito, com descaso p?blico e social. Infelizmente o ciclista segue a pr?pria sorte. O que aconteceu ? reflexo desta distor??o brasileira. Mal sabe o condutor que bicicleta ? legalmente um ve?culo (estabelecido pelo CTB), o mais usado no Brasil, com mais de 50 milh?es de usu?rios/dia. Quem conduz a bicicleta ? uma vida, t?o valiosa quando do filho sentado como passageiro do motorista. O fato ocorrido n?o pode e n?o ser? esquecido, principalmente pela forma como ocorreu. N?o ? fato corriqueiro. Se for simplesmente esmaecido h? o risco da desmoraliza??o das autoridades de tr?nsito e do judici?rio. Que se cumpra a lei com todo seu peso, de forma exemplar. ? uma excelente oportunidade para demonstrar vontade de parar com a barb?rie massacrante do tr?nsito brasileiro. Fazemos aqui a sugest?o para que o condutor seja levado a prestar servi?os em hospital, em especial no Pronto Atendimento ou setor de Ortopedia, e ainda se ocupar do ensino de regras e leis de tr?nsito para crian?as em escolas. Associados da UCB se disp?e, caso seja a vontade da justi?a, a dar aulas te?ricas e pr?ticas sobre condu??o segura de uma bicicleta. E por que n?o sobre a seguran?a de pedestres. Pedimos a este jornal o acompanhamento do processo que se iniciou. Pedimos a este jornal que ajude na constru??o de uma cidade mais humana e de verdadeiros cidad?os. Atenciosamente, Arturo Alcorta - Presidente da Uni?o de Ciclistas do Brasil ? UCB Sirlei Ninki - Conselheira da UCB Not?cias podem ser acompanhadas no site da Massa Critica de POA http://massacriticapoa.wordpress.com/ e no site da Bicicletada Nacional http://www.bicicletada.org On 2 March 2011 04:45, Roelof Wittink wrote: > Dear all > > It is difficult to keep on looking to the video till the end. I agree with > all of you, we should stand up. > > I propose that the global community expresses their deep regret for the > victims of this horrible attack and our support to the people who have the > courage to fight for the rights of people to ride a bike in traffic. In > addition, we should urge the Brasilian authorities to bring justice, through > the court and through law. Pedestrians and cyclists should be defended in a > way that motorists are obliged to take responsiblity for their safety, > always, under any circumstances. > I would recommend that our Brasilian colleagues in Porto Alegre and the UCB > compose a petition, which we sign up until the end of this month and involve > e.g. the participants of Velo City Sevilla 23-25 of March 2011, in this. > > roelof > > > > > > Roelof Wittink, Director > Leadership Award Cycling Promotion 2010. Cycling Embassy of Denmark > I-ce = Interface for Cycling Expertise > Trans 3, 3512 JJ Utrecht, The Netherlands > tel: +31 (0)30 2304521 fax: +31 (0)30 2312384 > email (general): i-ce@cycling.nl > email (personal): roelof.wittink@cycling.nl > website: www.cycling.nl > NGO registration KvK41265203 > > > >>> Cornie Huizenga 2-3-2011 6:52 > >>> > Dear Sujit, > > With respect to involvement of Porte Allegre, I am cc'ing Tony Lindau of > the EMBARQ Center in Porte Allegre. Maybe he can give an update of what > follow-up is being planned in Porte Allegre.. > > Cornie > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Sujit Patwardhan < > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> There appears to be a lot of activity on this front as seen from emails >> that are coming in, including Carlos Pardo's that has a message in Spanish >> which I was able to understand thanks to Google Translate. This spontaneous >> decentralised response is good but for putting political pressure if someone >> in Porto Alegre could suggest a website/blog on which thousands of messages >> can be sent. >> >> I'm sure everyone, no matter in what part of the world they live, feel >> personally touched by this horrible and shocking tragedy/crime(?) and would >> like to do something to ensure this kind of insanity does not ever happen >> again. >> >> I feel this could bring enough pressure - so authorities will act and not >> let the driver get away with a mild reprimand. We know how clever lawyers >> can be. >> >> Perhaps I-CE or Carlos or a CSO in Porto Alegre can help set this up? >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Sujit >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:25 AM, Cornie Huizenga < >> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: >> >>> Dear Sujit, >>> >>> This is truley horrific. I have also been thinking on what would be a >>> good manner to respond, in addition to ensuring that the guy who did is >>> actually apprehended. >>> >>> My thinking is that the people who were killed and injured were out on >>> the street because they were passionate about cycling and that they were >>> trying to make their voice heard. Based on that I think that it is important >>> to give a face to the voices that were lost. What we could do is ask our >>> friends in Brazil to come up with short dignified presentation summarizing >>> who the victims were and what they stood for. Many of us have websites and >>> many us of organize conferences. We could run this presentations on our >>> websites and in our meetings to continue the campaign that they literally >>> died for. >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Sujit Patwardhan < >>> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Eric, >>>> >>>> This is one of the most horrific videos I have seen and it makes my >>>> blood >>>> boil. >>>> >>>> Can we do more than just express our solidarity to the innocent victims >>>> of >>>> this deliberate murderous attack by the motorist? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sujit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:17 PM, eric britton >>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > *Solidarity Address with cyclists attacked at bike event in Brazil* >>>> > >>>> > Cities for Mobility expresses its solidarity with the victims of a car >>>> > attack to cyclists which occurred during the critical mass bike >>>> > manifestation in the city of Porto Alegre, Brazil on 25 February 2011. >>>> Our >>>> > thoughts are with the injured and their families. 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QA one-time opportunity that we really should seize. My idea is to put all our force behind the idea of a "Code of the Street" as roughly set out in http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/a-street-code-for-porto-alegre/ But you probably have other better ideas, but my advice as a distant friend and long time cyclist is to seize this moment and ask for ONE THING. One thing that the administration could do if they feel under enough pressure to do so. SO my question to you is: what is that one thing? And we need to do it fast. Eric Britton PS. Incidentally you can read all of World Streets in "Portuguese" (i.e., the rough machine translations) if you click here: http://tinyurl.com/WStreets-portugues - - - - >From Google Translate: Eu acho que ? uma carta maravilhosa por Arturo Alcorta e Sirlei Ninki ? a UCB, mas voc? acha que pode fazer bem para introduzir uma nota positiva a esta quest?o - dado que o terr?vel acontecimento realmente nos d? algum impulso de fazer alguma coisa para proteger os ciclistas nas ruas da cidade no futuro. QA oportunidade ?nica que n?s realmente devemos aproveitar. Minha id?ia ? colocar toda a nossa for?a por tr?s da id?ia de um "c?digo da rua", como estabelecido em cerca de http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/a-street-code-for-porto- Alegre / Mas voc? provavelmente tem outras id?ias melhores, mas o meu conselho como um amigo distante e ciclista tempo ? aproveitar este momento e pedir uma coisa. Uma coisa que o governo poderia fazer se sentir sob press?o suficiente para faz?-lo. Ent?o, minha pergunta ?: o que ? que uma coisa? E precisamos faz?-lo r?pido. Eric Britton PS. Ali?s voc? pode ler todas as Ruas do Mundo em "Portugu?s"(ou seja, as tradu??es autom?ticas em bruto), se voc? clicar aqui: http://tinyurl.com/WStreets-portugues cid:image002.jpg@01CBD98C.49171750 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 48647 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110303/785ee950/attachment-0001.jpe From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 3 22:48:10 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:48:10 +0100 Subject: [sustran] [India Streets ] Lahore Transport Master Plan: Master of none Message-ID: <03ca01cbd9a9$a5d12a40$f1737ec0$@britton@ecoplan.org> LAHORE TRANSPORT MASTER PLAN: MASTER OF NONE Eric Britton, editor | 3 March 2011 at 12:06 | Categories: bad planning/execution, Planning, transport/land use | URL: As we read Hassaan Ghazali?s clear-eyed analysis of the short-comings of the Lahore Transport Master Plan and the process behind it, it is natural enough that we from other parts of the world think of it as a saga that typifies that city, that country and that part of the world. He tells us that ?role of planning in urban development has always been our Achilles heel?, which I am sure is the case, But whoa, if we think about it we have to admit that there are all too few cities in the world in which these challenges have been all that well handled. We are all in fact involved in a learning process, and with a little luck we will be able to learn from each other So let?s hear what Hassaan has to tell us about Lahore, without forgetting for a minute he is sharing with us a story and a challenge that we all face. [...] Read more of this post: http://wp.me/p15YEC-e3 Add a comment to this post : http://wp.me/p15YEC-e3/#respond - - - > Would you like to support World Streets? If so please click to http://wp.me/PsKUY-BD . | 8-10, rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris. | +331 75503788. | eric.britton@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility | Read World Streets at http://worldstreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here India Streets ? is on-line at http://IndiaStreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here Nuova Mobilit? - http://nuovamobilita.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here New Mobility Partnerships? ? http://www.newmobility.org From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 3 23:15:15 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:15:15 +0100 Subject: [sustran] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Quem_=E9_que_vai_come=E7ar_a_redigir_est?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?e_texto=3F_=28English_follows=29?= Message-ID: <044101cbd9ad$83c53460$8b4f9d20$@britton@ecoplan.org> Caros amigos, em Porto Alegre, no Brasil e praticamente qualquer cidade do mundo onde essa id?ia boa provavelmente deve ser colocado em pr?tica, Aqui ? a leitura que eu dou os e-mails e dezenas de coment?rios que recebemos em resposta ? nossa sugest?o de que este poderia ser o momento certo para obter um c?digo de rua para ler a lei de Porto Alegre - e, se poss?vel direito atr?s que em cada cidade do Brasil. (objectivo Modest!) E se n?o houver acordo, parece-me que o pr?ximo passo ser? realmente o projecto do texto da lei ou regulamento local, se ? isso que deve ser. Isso exige compet?ncia t?cnica e legal, por isso a minha pergunta ?: 1. Quem ? que vai come?ar a redigir este texto? 2. Onde ? que vai ser enviada para a inspe??o? 3. Qual ? o processo de an?lise e revis?o? 4. E quem vai apresent?-la a quem, como e quando? Perdoem a minha impaci?ncia. Mas quer que aproveitar este momento, ou ent?o deix?-lo para outra e certamente menos vantajosa dia. O passo seguinte? Eric Britton On drafting the Street Code text for Porto Alegre Dear Friends in Porto Alegre, Brazil and just about any city in the world where this good idea should probably be put in place, Here is the read that I take of the several dozen emails and comments that we have received in response to our suggestion that this might be the right time to get a Street Code read in to the law of Porto Alegre -- and if possible right behind that in every city in Brazil. (Modest objective!) And if there is agreement, it would seem to me that the next step will be to actually draft the text of the Law or Local Ordinance if that is what it should be. That requires legal and technical competence, so my question are: 1. Who is going to start to draft this text? 2. Where will it be posted for inspection? 3. What is the process of review and revision? 4. And who will present it to whom, how and when? Forgive my impatience. But either we sieze this moment, or we leave it to another and certainly less advantageous day. Next? Eric Britton - - - > Would you like to support World Streets? If so please click to http://wp.me/PsKUY-BD . | 8-10, rue Joseph Bara 75006 Paris. | +331 75503788. | eric.britton@newmobility.org | Skype: newmobility | Read World Streets at http://worldstreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here India Streets ? is on-line at http://IndiaStreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here Nuova Mobilit? - http://nuovamobilita.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here New Mobility Partnerships ? http://www.newmobility.org From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Mar 4 20:07:00 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:07:00 +0100 Subject: [sustran] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Texto_em_franc=EAs_do_=22C=F3digo_de_la_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rue=22_do_governo_belga_=5BEnglish_follows=2E=5D?= Message-ID: <05b201cbda5c$63f2bd10$2bd83730$@britton@ecoplan.org> [English text follows.] Aqui est? o texto em franc?s do "C?digo de la rue" do governo belga. Espero que isso se revele um documento ?til para criar qualquer ordenan?a um local para PA ou nacionalmente. ? claro que a lei ? uma coisa e outra completamente diferente aplica??o. Ainda assim, se algumas ou tudo isso j? existe na legisla??o nacional, a aplica??o integral ? algo que voc? pode empurrar para. A chave, gostaria de oferecer, ? o "Pr?ncipe de prud?ncia", segundo o qual o ?nus da prova em uma solu??o jur?dica (e indemniza??o do seguro), ap?s um incidente ser? sobre a maior / mais pesado / mais r?pido para provar sua inoc?ncia - em oposi??o ? situa??o que prevalece na maioria dos lugares onde a responsabilidade recai sobre o lesado provar a culpa do ve?culo maior. ? um pensamento interessante refletir sobre como a ?ltima trag?dia de sexta-feira perto teria jogado fora nos tribunais e em termos de san??es e compensa??es para todos os envolvidos, hade o "C?digo" esteve em vigor. (E a gente teria que pensar que o Sr. Neis pode n?o ter sido completamente fora do controle da pessoa que ele deixe fora da gaiola interna, se tivesse tido conhecimento do custo inevit?vel de seu gesto, n?o termos lata de ferimentos a outros e, possivelmente, vidas perdidas, mas tamb?m ao seu bolso, que provavelmente tem que assumir ? uma ?rea importante de conscientiza??o social da sua parte como um banqueiro.) Voc? vai encontrar mais disto na sec??o de coment?rios do artigo, os coment?rios http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/a-street-code-for-porto-alegre/ #. Eric Britton Skype: newmobility T. +331 7550 3788 Minhas desculpas para a tradu??o automatic Here is the text in French of the "Code de la rue" of the Belgian government. I hope this will prove a useful document to create either a local ordinance for PA or nationally. Of course the law is one thing and enforcement quite another. Still, if some or all of this is already there in the national law, full enforcement is something you can push for. They key, I would offer, is the "principe de prudence", whereby the onus of proof in a legal settlement (and insurance compensation) after an incident will be on the larger/heavier/faster to prove their innocence ? as opposed to the situation prevailing in most places where the onus is on the injured party to prove the culpability of the larger vehicle. It is an interesting thought to ponder how last Friday's near tragedy would have played out in the courts and in terms of penalties and compensation for all involved, hade the "Code' been in place. (And one would have to think that Mr. Neis might not have been quite the out of control person he let out of his inner cage, had he been aware of the inevitable cost of his gesture, no tin terms of injury to others and lives possibly lost but also to his pocketbook, which we probably have to assume is a major area of social awareness on his part as a banker.) You will find more of this in the Comments section of the article at http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/a-street-code-for-porto-alegre/ #comments. Eric Britton Skype: newmobility T. +331 7550 3788 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: code de la route.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 86329 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110304/06ff6414/codedelaroute-0001.pdf From edelman at greenidea.eu Fri Mar 4 21:12:32 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:12:32 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: [carfree_network] Very sad news from Brazil In-Reply-To: References: <665962.62474.qm@web39503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D70D730.5070606@greenidea.eu> I posted the following comment in the City Fix article: "How about alternative headline 'Man attacks large group of people with his car' rather than using the temporary role all these people had at the time? (There are just people and some are mean and angry and some drive and/or cycle sometimes. Most people do not cycle regularly, may have a bias, and the headline you use implies an 'accident' or even that the cycling people could have been at fault somehow.)" - T On 03/03/11 20:27, Erica Schlaikjer wrote: > I wrote a post about in TheCityFix.com, as well: > http://thecityfix.com/motorist-plows-through-cyclists-in-porto-alegre/ > > Please feel free to continue this discussion online, in the comments. > > Best, > Erica Schlaikjer > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Luis Patricio > wrote: > > Wow ! Even China !! Thanks for the support guys. > > Our special critical mass ride was yesterday. There were 300 > cyclists approximately although it was raining. It was one of the > most beautiful and pacific rides I've been to. > > Here's the article from our main neswspaper: > http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/vidaecidadania/conteudo.phtml?tl=1&id=1102300&tit=Bicicletada-da-Paz-reune-cerca-de-300-ciclistas-em-Curitiba > > > It's sad that something like that needs to happen to make people > start noticing that something's wrong in our life style. But > fortunately, we can get something good out all of this. There is a > lot of people questioning whether or not the cyclists/the movement > were wrong and it's a great opportunity to raise awareness about > urban mobility among the general public. > > cheers > > Luis Patricio > transportehumano.com.br > "Mais importante que o ve?culo que voc? usa, ? a mensagem que voc? > veicula" > @luis_patricio > > > > 2011/3/2 jane. > > > I just checked--the story has appeared in the major Chinese > news media as well: > > http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hqpl/zggc/2011-03-01/content_1894044.html > http://news.sohu.com/20110301/n279592695.shtml > http://gb.cri.cn/27824/2011/03/01/5105s3167583.htm > http://video.sina.com.cn/p/news/s/v/2011-03-01/085061269341.html > > Jane > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Justin Hyatt > > *To:* carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > *Cc:* inhodpr@gmail.com > *Sent:* Tue, March 1, 2011 10:56:14 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [carfree_network] Very sad news from Brazil > > Hi all, > > This news appeared in the Hungarian media and was also > discussed on the Budapest Critical Mass webpage. In fact, a > letter of support was drafted and sent to the Porte Alegre CM > group by the Budapest Cm community. In case anyone is > interested, it can be read below. > > Pippa's suggestion of a mobility justice campaign is also a > good one, and I have asked the Brazilians if they could > picture doing this, and we'll see if that can happen to > coincide also with Friday's monthly news relase. > > *In Brazilian* > > Caros ciclistas da Massa Cr?tica de Porto Alegre! > > H? alguns dias ficamos sabendo do evento tr?gico que aconteceu > com voc?s na marcha. Em nome de todos os ciclistas e > participantes da MC da Hungria quer?amos desejar a recupera??o > mais r?pida poss?vel para os feridos e esperamos que nunca > mais aconte?a tal evento em nenhum lado do mundo. > > Esperamos tamb?m que esse horr?vel atropelamento n?o > desencoraje voc?s e que continuem pedalando por um mundo n?o > s? mais respir?vel, mas tamb?m mais amigo para com os > ciclistas! Mais uma vez uma recupera??o r?pida! > > A Massa Cr?tica da Hungria > > *In Hungarian:* > > Kedves porto alegre-i CM-esek! > > A napokban eljutott hozz?nk Magyarorsz?gra annak a tragikus > esem?nynek a h?re, ami veletek a felvonul?son t?rt?nt. Minden > magyarorsz?gi CM-es ?s ker?kp?ros nev?ben szeretn?nk minden > s?r?ltnek mihamarabbi gy?gyul?st k?v?nni, ?s rem?lj?k, hogy > ilyen esem?ny soha nem fog sehol a vil?gban megism?tl?dni. > > Rem?lj?k, hogy ez a sz?rny?s?g nem veszi kedvetek, ?s tov?bb > tekertek egy ker?kp?rosbar?t vil?g?rt! > Mihamarabbi gy?gyul?st k?v?nnak a magyarorsz?gi ker?kp?rosok! > > *In English:* > > Dear Critical Mass riders in Porto Alegre! > > In these days we in Hungary have come to know the tragical > news about what happened to you at a Critical Mass ride in > Porto Allegre. In the name of all Hungarian Critical Mass > riders, we would like to wish for the quickest recovery to > everyone injured in this incident, and we hope that such a > thing will never happen again, anywhere in the world. > > We hope that this horrible thing doesn't spoil your mood, and > that you will be able to continue cycling for a more > bicycle-friendly world! > We as Hungarian cyclists wish you all a quick recovery! > > www.criticalmass.hu > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Davi Pires > wrote: > > Hi all, > > The driver lawyer said his client would show up at the > police this > afternoon, when he was contacted by the press. According > to his > lawyer, he will pledge innocent, alleging that the > cyclists hit the > car first, breaking the glass and scaring his 15-year-old > son who was > with him. > > This is different from the story the cyclists told on the > video > footage taken right after the accident. They said they > were going > slow, and that the driver had been honking and threatening to > accelerate for a few minutes. They asked him to stay calm, > because > there were elder people, and kids, and pets, and it would > not be safe > for him to pass through - which, as you saw, he ignored. > > The 15-year-old son, when interviewed by the press, said > (translation): > - It was wasn't them, the cyclists, who started. My father > went a > little first. But then they started hitting the car for > real. Then, > after they calmed down, three of them stayed in front of > the car, > blocking him, only him. > > [from this link, in portuguese: > http://zerohora.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/jsp/default.jsp?uf=1&local=1§ion=Geral&newsID=a3223867.xml > ] > > Etienne, you are right. The police so far acts as if the > cyclists were > wrong, for they had not warned the authorities that they > would be > riding that night. > > I think one of the great help we can have from the > international > community is to have this story show up on major > newspapers all over > the world. I believe our politicians are very sensitive to > the bad PR > that will come if this insane driver is not convicted. > > BTW, I am brazilian too, but from another city (Recife). I > will follow > the events through the blog of the Critical Mass of Porto > Alegre, and > try to keep you updated. > > We are also trying to figure out what is the best strategy > to raise > awareness of the incident throughout the country. Some > cities have > scheduled rides for this week. If anyone has experience on > this kind > of thing (I hope not), we are open to suggestions as to > what worked > before, and what didn't. > > Davi Pires > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Theo Haris > > wrote: > > This is very sad news indeed. I hope nobody got killed > during this heinous > > act.. > > > > Luis Patricio, do you want to keep us informed on what's > happening in > > Brazil? I wonder also whether we should organise a > critical mass ending on > > the embassy of Brazil in all countries we can, to > protest if they still hold > > to the story that he didn't mean murder.. > > > > Theo > > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Etienne von Bertrab > > > > wrote: > >> > >> These are horrible news, Luis Patricio. As far as I > understood the police > >> is still not recognising these powerful video > testimonies. I wonder if we > >> could show solidarity while contributing with putting > pressure on > >> authorities with a letter from WCN. Has it been done in > the past? What do > >> you guys think? > >> ?tienne > >> > >> On 27 February 2011 21:40, Luis Patricio > > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Last friday on Porto Alegre's Critical Mass, a driver > hit dozens of > >>> cyclists: > >>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgiIrHRoHM&feature=player_embedded > > >>> > >>> We are all still shocked but many groups throughout > the country are > >>> already planning something to respond to that hideous > crime. > >>> > >>> The Porto Alegre CM blog has more info and videos (in > portuguese): > >>> http://massacriticapoa.wordpress.com/ > >>> > >>> Luis Patricio > >>> transportehumano.com.br > >>> "Mais importante que o ve?culo que voc? usa, ? a > mensagem que voc? > >>> veicula" > >>> @luis_patricio > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed > to the Google > >>> Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > >>> Replies are sent to the author of the message. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google > >> Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > >> Replies are sent to the author of the message. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google > > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > > To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > > > > -- > Justin Hyatt > Z?ld Fiatalok | Hungarian Young Greens (NGO) > Kar?csony S?ndor u.22 | 1086 Budapest | Hungary > tel: (+36) 1 266 6978 | gsm: (+36) 20 385 9244 > e-mail: justin@zofi.hu > www.zofi.hu > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to > carfree_network@googlegroups.com > > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en > > > > > -- > Erica Lee Schlaikjer > Mobile: 240-421-0375 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "World Carfree Network" group. > To post to this group, send email to carfree_network@googlegroups.com > Replies are sent to the author of the message. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > carfree_network-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/carfree_network?hl=en?hl=en -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From sutp at sutp.org Sun Mar 6 18:13:26 2011 From: sutp at sutp.org (Sustainable Urban Transport Project) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:43:26 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Sustainable Urban Transport Project - Newsletter - January-February 2011 Message-ID: <8E492111-50E7-480A-8719-56B3741FD63F@sutp.org> ****** SUTP Newsletter ****** ****** Issue 01/11 - January - February 2011 ****** A PDF version of the newsletter can be downloaded from http://www.sutp.org/documents/newsletters/NL-Jan-Feb-2011.pdf An online version is also available at http://www.sutp.org/newsletters/Jan-Feb2011.htm *** Project News *** New GIZ Project: TRANSfer - Towards climate-friendly transport technologies and measures The overall objective of the new TRANSfer project is to enable decision-makers in developing countries to develop climate change strategies in the transport sector as Nationally Appropriate Mitigation Actions. The 3-year project is run by the GIZ and funded by the German Environment Ministry. During the project, GIZ will develop a handbook on "Navigating Transport NAMAs". The handbook will be based on south-south networks of countries and practical implementation within three motivated partner countries. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2562 --------------- Bogot?'s longstanding carfree day: an analysis Bogot? is well known for several of its transport projects and initiatives. One of them is its 12-year old carfree day, which was first implemented in 2000 as a mandatory 14-hour ban on automobiles to promote the use of other travel modes and as a positive reflection to support sustainable transport modes. The day is observed on the first Thursday of February every year. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2576 --------------- The City of Palembang is moving ahead to implement sustainable urban transport schemes At the Steering Committee meeting on 22 Feb, 2011, the City of Palembang decided to implement the Phase 1 of its Mid-term Sustainable Urban Transport Action Plan. The Mid-term Action Plan, along with the Long-term Strategy on Urban Transport development, is a result of the 7-month work by a GHK consultant team that the city engaged in cooperation with GIZ-sponsored SUTIP and CDIA. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2591 --------------- Guangzhou wins the 2011 Sustainable Transport Award! The Chinese city of Guangzhou won the 2011 Sustainable Transport Award for leading the way on integrated transport solutions on 24th January, 2011. The Sustainable Transport Award is given annually during the annual Transportation Research Board meeting in Washington, D.C. to the city that made most progress over the previous year to increase and improve mobility for all residents, while reducing transportation greenhouse and air pollution emissions, at the same time improving safety and access for cyclists and pedestrians. during 2010. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2549 --------------- Transport Policy: London 2012 Olympic Games and Paralympic Games What makes the upcoming Olympic Games special and unique is that London 2012 has made a commitment to be the first ?sustainable? Games, setting new standards for major events. Sustainability principles were incorporated into the development of the transport strategy for the Games from the start of the planning process. London 2012 will implement an accessible and inclusive transport network to ensure that everyone, including disabled people of all impairments and other people who may have difficulties using the transport system, can get to the Games. This article summarizes the city?s efforts and vision for making the 2012 Olympic Games a success. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2589 --------------- Oil Price on the Rise strengthens Momentum for Sustainable Transportation Concepts According to figures of the International Energy Agency, transport accounts for about 26% of all energy consumption and is about 94% dependent on oil. The crude oil price has recently risen to more than $100 per barrel. This should induce or accelerate the rethinking in many metropolises. The following article, based on an interview with Manfred Breithaupt demonstrates options for cities to act now on sustainable urban transport options. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2588 --------------- GIZ-SUTP participated in a two day workshop on Bus operations and Planning in Mumbai GIZ-SUTP participated in a two day workshop organized by Centre for Sustainable Transport (CST)- India, to discuss CST?s recent publication "Bus Karo- A Guidebook on Bus Operations and Planning". The workshop included close to fifteen professionals from academia (including Centres of Excellence on urban transport established by MoUD), private sector, NGOs and research. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2552 --------------- ****** Publications ***** GIZ?s updated urban transport policy and planning documents list GIZ recently updated its document titled 'Urban Transport Policy and Planning Documents: an overview on urban transport plans and strategies from all continents'. Transport researchers, policymakers and decision makers will find this 11 page document particularly useful. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2561 --------------- Revised Module 5b: Urban Road Safety Building on the earlier 2004 version of the SUTP Sourcebook Module 5b, the revised edition of 'Urban Road Safety' presents up-to-date figures on the challenge of road safety in developing cities, and outlines measures to address the problem. The latter range from technical standards to issues such as awareness raising and financing. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2553 --------------- Technical Paper #6 - Beyond the Fossil City: Towards low Carbon Transport and Green Growth GIZ released the 6th document in its technical documents series in transport. The document is titled "Beyond the Fossil City: Towards low Carbon Transport and Green Growth". This 28 page document is authored by Mr. Daniel Bongardt, Mr. Manfred Breithaupt and Mr. Felix Cruetiz. This paper shows how national and/or urban low-carbon transportation policies could help countries to achieve a smart, sustainable economic growth while at the same time stabilizing and later reducing transport emissions. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2551 --------------- Canc?n can, can land transport? The Bridging the Gap initiative and the SLoCaT partnership have prepared a paper summarizing the implications of the outcomes of COP16 in Canc?n for the land transport sector. This paper concludes that COP16 created many opportunities for climate change mitigation in the land transport sector. It contains recommendations for international and national actors, as well as the expert community, for helping turn these opportunities into the realization of enhanced climate change mitigation activities in the land transport sector. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2563 --------------- Reading List on Financing Sustainable Urban transport and Parking Management in Developing Cities In order to aid researchers and policy makers for locating quick reference documents and relevant publications related to specific topics, GIZ-SUTP from time to time publishes reading lists on topics it feels may be of relevance to cities and their sustainability. In the last two months, it released reading lists on topics like financing sustainable urban transport and parking management for developing cities. These reading lists cover various aspects of a topic like policy, technology, regulation, good practices, etc. and can be found out the SUTP website on a recently created dedicated sub-page. Read more: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=171&Itemid=54&lang=&Itemid=237 --------------- New in Russian Language! Technical Document on Transport Alliances to promote cooperation for efficient public transport This GIZ Technical Document # 4 titled ?Transport Alliances - Promoting Cooperation and Integration to offer a more attractive and efficient Public Transport? summarises the development of the German public transport alliance system, the so called Verkehrsverbund that is often regarded as the first and most successful form of integrated transport in the world. It offers information on aspects ranging from institutional issues to best practices in introducing an integrated fare system. This document also looks at transport alliances in the neighbouring country of Switzerland. The publication contains 130 fully illustrated pages, 70 figures and 9 tables. Additionally it provides further reading and links on additional aspects of public transport alliances and public transport integration. Download: http://www.sutp.org/suteca/mfwl/TD04Vvb_rus-finalversion2.pdf --------------- Second Bulletin ?Sustainable Mobility in Ukrainian Cities? This bulletin presents information on: Results of the climate talks in Mexico, a sustainable mobility project in Russia, international fuel prices and survey results regarding cycling in Lviv (in Ukrainian language). Download: http://www.sutp.org/suteca --------------- Data Preview International Fuel Prices 2010/2011 The 2010/11 edition of GIZ ?International Fuel Prices? provides an overview of retail prices of gasoline and diesel in more than 170 countries. Download: http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/giz2011-international-fuel-prices-2010-2011-data-preview.pdf --------------- ITDP?s recent publication on parking: Europe?s Parking U-turn: from Accommodation to Regulation by Michael Kodransky and Gabrielle Hermann This paper is the second in a series of policy papers from ITDP on parking. The first paper, released in Spring 2010, focused on successful parking practices in U.S. cities. This paper reviews successful parking practices in European cities. Read more: http://www.itdp.org/documents/European_Parking_U-Turn.pdf --------------- EMBARQ?s latest publication on Bus Operations and Planning "Bus Karo" which means '?Do the Bus? is a guidebook on bus operations and planning which carries recommendations, detailed case studies, illustrations and step by step methodologies to act as a helpful reference to cities and states which are thinking of or are in the process improving their bus operations and as they set up new agencies, contract out services, and monitor their performance and develop continuous system improvement. Read more: http://www.embarq.org/en/bus-karo-a-guidebook-bus-planning-operations --------------- First in its series- CSE?s Citizens Report on Air Quality and Urban Mobility, Kanpur, India The Centre for Science and Environment released an in-depth report on the city of Kanpur as part of its ongoing initiative to build city action on clean air and mobility. This citizens' report ? ?City Action: Citizens Report on Air Quality and Urban Mobility, Kanpur?, is the first in the series on city action that aims to deepen public and policy understanding of the growing public health and mobility crisis in our cities. Read more: http://www.cseindia.org/content/city-action-citizens-report-air-quality-and-urban-mobility-kanpur --------------- Parisar analyses the proposal for a metro rail system in the city Parisar, a Pune based NGO working on sustainability issues, has recently completed two detailed studies on the metro rail proposal for Pune. The first was a preliminary analysis of whether Pune needs a metro rail system and the second analyzed in detail the decision making processes in approving Pune's metro rail proposal as well as the detailed project report (DPR) of the metro rail proposal. The reports conclude that there is no need for a rail based system for the city and that government must focus on faster, cheaper solutions with much greater potential for social benefit such as improving buses, and conditions for pedestrians and cyclists. Read more: http://www.parisar.org/activities/analysesreports/127-analysis-of-the-proposed-metro-rail-system-in-pune.html --------------- 2012 Federal Budget of the White House increases transit funding by 127% President Obama finally put national needs and opportunities in line with its funding priorities. The six-year transportation bill represents a long-overdue opportunity to reset national transportation priorities, as it changes the overall funding split between highways and transit from 80/20 to 74/26, with a $50 billion boost in funding in the first year alone. Read more: http://knowledgecenter.csg.org/kc/content/reaction-roundup-transportation-takes-center-stage-obama-budget-plan --------------- ****** Upcoming Events ****** Upcoming Events (March-April 2011): 22-24 March New Delhi, IN: Urban transportation reforms for clean and liveable cities: An orientation programme for policy makers http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=523&lang=en 14-17 March Milan, IT: Metro Rail 2011 http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=491&lang=en 23-25 March Sevilla, ES: Velo-City Sevilla 2011 http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=485&lang=en 31 March-2 April Macau, CN: Green Opportunities, MIECF 2011 http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=515&lang=en 3-8 April Bangkok, TH: United Nations Climate Change Conference http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=522&lang=en 7 April London, UK: NICHES + Final Conference http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=514&lang=en 7-8 April Munich, DE: mobil. TUM 2011 Conference http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=497&lang=en 10-14 April Dubai, AE: 59th UITP World Congress And Exhibition http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=381&lang=en 11-13 April Kuala Lumpur, MY: KLRTC Training Course XXI on Sustainable Urban Transportation In The Asia Pacific http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=517&lang=en 12-13 April GHG Emissions & Co-benefits in the Transport Sector- Launch of the SloCaT-BtG working group on Transport NAMAs http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=513&lang=en *To view a full list of events for the year 2011, visit: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&Itemid=56&func=details&did=517&lang=en --------------- A PDF version of the newsletter can be downloaded from http://www.sutp.org/documents/newsletters/NL-Jan-Feb-2011.pdf An online version is also available at http://www.sutp.org/newsletters/Jan-Feb2011.htm --------------- Contact us: Any further queries regarding this document can be addressed to sutp@sutp.org. 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Links to the GIZ SUTP homepage are admissible if the GIZ SUTP website retrieved becomes the sole content of the browser window. ------------- Sustainable Urban Transport Project (SUTP) E sutp@sutp.org I http://www.sutp.org From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Mar 7 23:57:50 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 15:57:50 +0100 Subject: [sustran] World Streets Weekly: Edition of 7 March 2011 Message-ID: <037501cbdcd8$095652d0$1c02f870$@britton@ecoplan.org> WORLD STREETS WEEKLY: EDITION OF 7 MARCH 2011 * * * Click http://wp.me/psKUY-1po for Weekly Edition of 28 February 2011 * * * This week's titles: 4 March: What percent of your city's street space is allocated to non-car uses 3 March: Master of None: The Lahore Transport Master Plan 2 March: Seize the moment: A "Street Code" for Porto Alegre 1 March: What can we learn from the murderous attack on cyclists in Porto Alegre on Friday? 28 February: World Streets Weekly:? Edition of 28 February 2011 - ? - > To receive the Weekly Editions freely in 2011 please click www.WorldStreets.org/about/to-subscribe/ From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Mar 9 04:20:32 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:20:32 +0100 Subject: [sustran] International Women's Day 2011 - celebrated on World Streets too Message-ID: <060101cbddc5$e769fd90$b63df8b0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Fix Sustainable Transport: Ensure Full Gender Parity in all Decision and Investment Fora Today is International Women's Day. Not only that, 2011 marks the one hundredth anniversary of this great and necessary idea. So what better occasion for World Streets to announce publicly, loudly and yet once again our firm belief that the most important single thing that our society, our nations and our cities could do to increase the fairness and the effectiveness of our transportation arrangements would be to make it a matter of the law that all decisions determining how taxpayer money is invested in the sector should be decided by councils that respect full gender parity. We invite you to join us in this challenge and make it one of the major themes of sustainable transport policy and accomplishment worldwide in 2011. ? Read more of this post - http://wp.me/psKUY-1pX ? 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VTPI also provides consulting services. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEW VTPI DOCUMENTS ==================== "The First Casualty of a Non-Existent War: Evaluating Claims of Unjustified Restrictions on Automobile Use, and a Critique of 'Washingtons War On Cars And The Suburbs'" (http://www.vtpi.org/carwars.pdf ) This report evaluates claims of a war on cars, that is, a coordinated effort to unjustifiably restrict automobile use. Objective analysis indicates that no such war exists. Evidence of a war consists of exaggerated objections to policies such as traffic calming (which increases traffic safety), busways and bike lanes (justified to improve transport options, which helps reduce traffic and parking congestion), and more efficient road and parking pricing (justified to reduce traffic and parking problems, and finance facilities). These policies benefit motorists as well as non-drivers. Truth is often the first victim of war. Policy reform opponents use inaccurate information to exaggerate the costs and underestimate the benefits of these changes, and create unnecessary conflict. An example, critiqued in detail in this report, is Wendell Coxs Washingtons War on Cars and the Suburbs, which contains numerous inaccuracies and misrepresentations. "Pricing For Traffic Safety: How Efficient Transport Pricing Can Reduce Roadway Crash Risk" (http://www.vtpi.org/price_safe.pdf ) This report evaluates the traffic safety impacts of transport pricing reforms including efficient road, parking, fuel and insurance pricing, and public transit fare reductions. This analysis indicates that such reforms can provide significant safety benefits. Crash reductions vary depending on the type of price change, the portion of vehicle travel affected, and the quality of transport options available. If implemented to the degree justified on economic efficiency grounds (for example, cost recovery road and parking pricing), these reforms are predicted to reduce traffic casualties by 40-60%. Yet, these benefits are often overlooked. Pricing reform advocates seldom highlight crash reduction benefits, and traffic safety experts seldom advocate these pricing reforms. Critics claim that pricing reforms are regressive, but this is not necessarily true. "Introducing Spitsmijden: Experiments With Peak Avoidance Incentives In The Netherlands" (http://www.vtpi.org/spitsmijden.pdf ) This paper by Stuart Donovan reviews Dutch experiments with peak-hour avoidance incentives, which are collectively referred to as the spitsmijden. This research indicates how travelers respond to positive price signals. "Changing Vehicle Travel Price Sensitivities: The Rebounding Rebound Effect" (www.vtpi.org/VMT_Elasticities.pdf ) There is growing interest in the use of transportation pricing reforms (more efficient road, parking, insurance and fuel pricing) to achieve various planning objectives, including congestion reduction, road and parking facility cost savings, accident reductions, energy conservation and pollution emission reductions. An important factor in the analysis of these strategies is the sensitivity of vehicle travel with regard to vehicle operating costs. Some studies found that U.S. transport price elasticities declined toward the end of the Twentieth Century, but recent research indicates that price sensitivity has started to increase. This indicates that the rebound effect is rebounding. This supports implementation of pricing reforms over strategies such as fuel efficiency mandates. "Contrasting Visions of Urban Transport: Critique of Fixing Transit: The Case For Privatization" (http://www.vtpi.org/cont_vis.pdf ) This report critiques the Cato Foundation paper, Fixing Transit: The Case For Privatization, which recommends that all transit services be privatized and self-financed. It claims this would improve efficiency and service quality, but all the private transit examples it describes are inferior quality or high price; none offer the level of integration, quality and affordability provided by public transit systems in most communities. Fixing Transit argues that public transit provides little economic, social or environmental benefit, but the analysis is incomplete, biased, and inaccurate. Note: this report has been significantly expanded from the version described in our previous newsletter. Evaluating Seattle Parking Tax Options (http://www.vtpi.org/seattle_parking_tax.pdf ) This report by Todd Litman, Daniel Carlson, Aaron Blumenthal and John Lee describes and evaluates parking tax options for possible implementation by the City of Seattle. It concludes that taxes on non-residential parking facilities are most consistent with the citys strategic planning objectives. Parking Costs, Pricing and Revenue Calculator - Developing Country Edition (http://www.vtpi.org/Parking_DC.xls ) This spreadsheet by Yash Saxena calculates parking facility costs, cost recovery pricing, and revenue generation. Users can adjust inputs to represent various conditions and assumptions. This version includes default cost values based on developing country conditions. * * * * * UPDATED DOCUMENTS ================= Below are a few of many recently updated VTPI documents: "Affordable-Accessible Housing In A Dynamic City: Why and How To Increase Affordable Housing Development In Accessible Locations" (www.vtpi.org/aff_acc_hou.pdf ) "Safe Travels: Evaluating Mobility Management Traffic Safety Impacts" (www.vtpi.org/safetrav.pdf ) "Guide to Calculating Mobility Management Benefits" (www.vtpi.org/tdmben.pdf ) * * * * * PUBLISHED ELSEWHERE =================== Recent Planetizen Blogs (http://www.planetizen.com/blog/2394 ): "Threats Of Gridlock Are Greatly Exaggerated" (http://www.planetizen.com/node/48451 ) "Highways And Labor Markets II" (http://www.planetizen.com/node/47212 ). * * * * * USEFUL RESOURCES ================= Growing Wealthier: Smart Growth, Climate Change and Prosperity (http://www.growingwealthier.info ) This report by Chuck Kooshian and Steve Winkelman of the Center for Clean Air Policy investigates ways that land use planning policies affect economic development and various principles that can help guide new development in ways that respond to emerging market demand and bolster the economy. The analysis indicates that smart growth development can help communities, businesses and individuals make money, save money and improve quality of life. Driven Apart: How Sprawl is Lengthening Our Commutes and Why Misleading Mobility Measures are Making Things Worse (http://www.ceosforcities.org/work/driven-apart ) This study by Joe Cortright of CEOs for Cities critically evaluates the Texas Transportation Institutes "Urban Mobility Report." It concludes that it is technically flawed and provides misleading guidance as to the nature of congestion problems and optimal solutions. Video at http://echo360.pdx.edu/ess/echo/presentation/0b84f6d1-b8eb-4e1f-b759-f6373ba ab019/mediacontent.mp3 . Integrated Transport Assessment Guidelines (www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/research/reports/422 ) This Land Transport New Zealand report provides national guidelines for integrated transport assessment (ITA) of traffic and local environmental and social impacts, based on an extensive review of international best practices. It recommends that local and regional transport authorities adopt an ITA approach when assessing transportation policies and projects. It includes guidelines on site trip generation analysis, impact analysis and community consultation. Transit-Oriented Development Planning Tool (www.reconnectingamerica.org/public/stories/2501 ) This guidebook by the Center for Transit-Oriented Development is a user-friendly tool for evaluating conditions around transit stations and determining how they influence factors such as per capita vehicle ownership and travel, consumer transportation costs, public transit ridership, energy consumption and pollution emissions. It uses real performance outcomes measured at more than 3,700 existing transit station areas in 39 regions around the United States. This information gives stakeholders the ability to evaluate the performance of the transit zones in their neighborhoods. Modernizing Public Transportation: Lessons Learned From Major Bus Improvements In Latin America And Asia (www.embarq.org/sites/default/files/EMB2010_BRTREPORT.pdf ) This report by Dario Hidalgo and Aileen Carrigan summarizes information on Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) systems, based on research and interviews with planners and public officials in cities and transport agencies around the world. It reviews and synthesizes information regarding challenges experienced by transport system decision makers in three key areas: planning, implementation and operations. Urban Bus Toolkit: Tools and Options for Reforming Urban Bus Systems (www.ppiaf.org/ppiaf/sites/ppiaf.org/files/documents/toolkits/UrbanBusToolki t/assets/home.html ) This toolkit produced by the World Bank supported Public-Private Infrastructure Advisory Facility is designed to help government officials and policy makers evaluate existing and alternative urban bus systems in developing and transitional countries. It offers practical advice to enact fundamental system reforms. Europes Parking U-Turn: From Accommodation to Regulation (www.itdp.org/documents/European_Parking_U-Turn.pdf ) This report by Michael Kodransky and Gabrielle Hermann for the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy reviews successful parking practices in European cities. In the last few decades a growing number of European cities have led the world in changing the direction of parking policy. These policies have helped achieve revitalized and thriving town centers, more efficient transport systems, reductions in air pollution; and generally improved quality of life. Do Roads Pay for Themselves? Setting the Record Straight on Transportation Funding, (www.uspirg.org/news-releases/transportation-news/transportation-news/washin gton-d.c.-myth-busted-road-costs-not-covered-by-gas-taxes ) A new report by Tony Dutzik, Benjamin Davis and Phineas Baxandall indicates that user fees cover barely half the costs of building and maintaining roads. Oil Vulnerability in Melbourne (www.sensibletransport.org.au/sites/sensibletransport.org.au/files/Oil%20Vul nerability%20in%20Melbourne%20Feb%202010.pdf ) This study by the Institute for Sensible Transport assesses the household financial risks of oil price increases. An Oil Vulnerability Index is created using transport and income data for various areas of Victoria, Australia. The analysis indicates that fast-growing outer suburbs are particularly vulnerable to oil price rises due to a combination of high levels of automobile travel and relatively low incomes. Eradicating Fossil Fuel Subsidies (http://www.iea.org/weo/index.asp) The International Energy Agency recommends eradicating fossil fuel subsidies to enhance energy security, reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and air pollution, and bring economic benefits in its annual World Energy Outlook report. G20 Fossil-Fuel Subsidy Phase Out: A review of current gaps and needed changes to achieve success (http://www.earthtrack.net/documents/g20-fossil-fuel-subsidy-phase-out-revie w-current-gaps-and-needed-changes-achieve-success ) This brief investigates policy and planning reforms needed to phase out existing subsidies to fossil fuel production and consumption. Impacts Of VMT Reduction Strategies On Selected Areas and Groups (www.wsdot.wa.gov/research/reports/fullreports/751.1.pdf ). This report, sponsored by the Washington State Department of Transportation, investigates the equity impacts of the states vehicle miles travelled (VMT) reduction targets (18% reduction by 2020, 30% reduction by 2035, and 50% reduction by 2050) and ways to minimize negative impacts on disadvantaged populations. It identified various VMT reduction strategies and evaluated their impacts on various groups and areas. It identified ways to implement VMT reduction programs with the most positive or least negative impacts on disadvantaged groups. Commuting by Public Transit and Physical Activity: Where You Live, Where You Work, and How You Get There (http://journals.humankinetics.com/JPAH-supplements-special-issues/jpah-volu me-8-supplement-january ) This study by a leading team of researchers, published in a special issue of the 'Journal of Physical Activity and Health' found that public transit commuters average 5 to 10 more minutes of moderate-intensity physical activity, and walked more to services and destinations near home and near the workplace, than transit nonusers, regardless of neighborhood walkability. Examining Walkability And Social Capital As Indicators Of Quality Of Life At The Municipal And Neighborhood Scales (www.springerlink.com/content/xtq06270p27r1v0h ) This article published in 'Applied Research In Quality of Life' examines how walkability enhances social capital, which refers to an individuals or groups networks, personal connections, and involvement. Residents living in neighborhoods of varying walkability in three New Hampshire communities were surveyed about their levels of social capital and travel behaviors. The analysis indicates higher levels of social capital in more walkable neighborhoods. Delhi Pedestrian Design Guidelines (www.uttipec.nic.in/PedestrianGuidelines-30Nov09-UTTPEC-DDA.pdf) The City of Delhi, India published this detailed guidebook that describes the role of non-motorized modes in an efficient and equitable transport system; defines minimum requirements for the design, size and maintenance of sidewalks, crosswalks and other pedestrian facilities; and describes international best practices for enhancing the pedestrian environment. Street Smart Walk Score Beta Test (http://blog.walkscore.com/2011/01/preview-street-smart-walk-score ) Street Smart Walk Score is an enhanced version of Walk Score that uses walking distances rather than crow-flies distances to calculate your score. It also looks at the underlying road network to compute the number of intersections per square mile and average block length. These two measures are great indicators of walkability Urban Road Transportation Externalities: Costs and Choice of Policy Instruments (http://www.wbro.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2010/06/02/wbro.lkq005.ful l.pdf+html ). This article by Govinda R. Timilsina and Hari B. Dulal estimates the magnitudes of various external costs resulting from urban road transport and discusses potential policy responses, particularly in developing countries. Getting Around When Youre Just Getting By: The Travel Behavior and Transportation Expenditures of Low-Income Adults (http://www.transweb.sjsu.edu/MTIportal/research/publications/documents/2806 _10-02.pdf ). This study by the Mineta Transportation Institute examines how rising transportation costs affect low-income families. It investigated four general areas of interest: travel behavior and transportation spending patterns, the costs and benefits of alternative modes of travel; cost management strategies, and opinions about the effects of changing transportation prices on travel behavior. Towards a Green Economy: Pathways to Sustainable Development and Poverty Eradication (www.unep.org/greeneconomy/Portals/88/documents/ger/GER_synthesis_en.pdf ). This report by the United Nations Environment Programme advocates economic development policies that increase resource efficiency and reduce pollution emissions. This will require a fundamental shift in investment patterns. The avoid-shift-improve principles include reducing trips through integrated transport and land use planning, shifting to more efficient modes of transport like public and non-motorized modes, and improving vehicles and fuels to reduce urban air pollution and emissions. Investment in public transit and greener vehicles generates significant economic returns. Location Efficiency and Housing TypeBoiling it Down to BTUs (www.epa.gov/smartgrowth/pdf/location_efficiency_BTU.pdf ). This report by the Jonathan Rose Companies for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency illustrates the relationship between household energy consumption and residential development patterns. It concludes that a homes location has a large impact on energy consumption. People who live in a more compact, transit-accessible area have more housing and transportation choices compared to those who live in spread-out developments where few or no transportation options exist besides driving. Urban Bikeway Design Guide (http://nacto.org/cities-for-cycling/design-guide ) This new guide by the National Association of City Transportation Officials provides state-of-the-practice solutions for creating complete streets that are safe and enjoyable for bicyclists. It is based on the experience of the best cycling cities in the world. It includes a summary of bicycle planning and design guidelines based on real-life experience from cities around the world. Costs and Benefits of Bicycling Investments in Portland, Oregon, (http://journals.humankinetics.com/jpah-supplements-special-issues/jpah-volu me-8-supplement-january/costs-and-benefits-of-bicycling-investments-in-portl and-oregon ) This study by Thomas Gotschi, published in the 'Journal of Physical Activity and Health,' indicates that bicycle facility investments provide net benefits considering just health care service and fuel cost savings, and far greater economic returns when total benefits to users and society are considered. Manual for Calculating Greenhouse Gas Benefits of Global Environmental Facility Transportation Projects (http://www.thegef.org/gef/GEF_C39_Inf.16_Manual_Greenhouse_Gas_Benefits ). This manual, developed by the Institute for Transportation and Development Policy, for the Scientific and Technical Advisory Panel of the Global Environment Facility provides a step-by-step guide for the development of baseline, impact estimation and calibration of transport projects across a wide range of interventions including transport efficiency improvement, public transport, non-motorized transport, transport demand management, and comprehensive transport strategies. Reducing Greenhouse Gas Emissions from U.S. Transportation (http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/Reducing_GHG_from_transportation.pdf ). This report by David Greene and Steven E. Plotkin identifies cost effective ways to reduce U.S. transportation greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions. The report provides three plausible scenarios of technology, policy, and public attitudes. The High Mitigation Scenario can reduce transport GHG emissions by as much as 65% by 2050. Livability in Transportation Guidebook (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/livability/case_studies/guidebook ) This Federal Highway Administration guidebook illustrates how livability principles have been incorporated into transportation planning, programming, and project design, using examples from State, regional, and local sponsors. 200 countries, 200 years, 4 minutes (www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00cgkfk) Hans Roslings lectures combine enormous quantities of public data with a sport's commentator's style to reveal the story of the world's past, present and future development. In this spectacular section of 'The Joy of Stats' he illustrates dynamically two hundred years of development with a plot of life expectancy against income for 200 countries from 1810 to the present. Sincerely, Todd Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute ( www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity" From navdeep.asija at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 02:41:34 2011 From: navdeep.asija at gmail.com (Asija, Navdeep) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:11:34 +0530 Subject: [sustran] High Court Ordered UT Administration to contact GWA of Fazilka (GWAF) for Ecocabs Message-ID: Opining that location of night food streets can be more appropriate for the betterment of the general public, the Punjab and Haryana High Court today asked the UT Administration as to why the location of night food street cannot be shifted to Sector 17, Chandigarh, than on the outskirts of the city, the present location. The suggestion was made during the resumed hearing of a public interest litigation (PIL) arising out of a suo motu cognizance taken by the High Court on the basis of a news item highlighting the deteriorating condition of night food streets. The Bench also asked the UT Administration to contact Graduates Welfare Association of Fazilka (GWAF) Secretary Navdeep Asija which had invented the concept of eco cabs, non-polluting cabs, in Fazilka, Punjab so that they (eco cabs) can be introduced in the city beautiful. Senior standing counsel for UT Administration Sanjay Kaushal sought time to seek instructions in this regard. It was on the basis of a news item published by The Indian Express that the then Chief Justice Mukul Mudgal of the High Court had taken suo motu cognizance and issued notices to Chandigarh and States of Punjab and Haryana asking them to explain as to why eco-cabs shall not be introduced in the States. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/why-not-shift-night-food-street-to-sector-17-hc/761490/ From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sun Mar 13 03:56:28 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:56:28 +0100 Subject: [sustran] night food streets can be more appropriate for the betterment of the general public In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02f101cbe0e7$3398a4e0$9ac9eea0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Der Friends, We would love to have a great article on night food streets for World Streets. We see them as an absolutely terrific way of sharing the street. With time as the vector as opposed to other forms of physical separation of flows, etc. Can we find a taker? Best/Eric From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sun Mar 13 04:06:33 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:06:33 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Electric bicycles may be taken off the road (Malaysia) Message-ID: <02fb01cbe0e8$9c2c1400$d4843c00$@britton@ecoplan.org> Article: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=%2F2011%2F3%2F10%2Fnation%2F821462 8 &sec=nation Some discussion: http://networkdispatches.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/electric-bicycles-may-be-t aken-off-the-road/ Bad choice. Sorry to see this opportunity wasted. But maybe it's not too late. Eric Britton From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 11:00:57 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 21:00:57 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: Electric bicycles may be taken off the road (Malaysia) In-Reply-To: <02fb01cbe0e8$9c2c1400$d4843c00$@britton@ecoplan.org> References: <02fb01cbe0e8$9c2c1400$d4843c00$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: <4D7C2559.6010908@gmail.com> How can they be against an ebike but yet be ok with motorcycles and their increase because they are registered and people have a license? It's not doing any good to anyone, I think. Ebikes should have their place in regulation and in production standards and not just be neglected. Closing your eyes to a new technology that is between two existent ones (bicycles and motorcycles) is not the best option. Best regards, Carlos. On 12/03/2011 02:06 p.m., eric britton wrote: > > > Article: > http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=%2F2011%2F3%2F10%2Fnation%2F821462 > 8 > 28&sec=nation> &sec=nation > > > > Some discussion: > http://networkdispatches.wordpress.com/2011/03/12/electric-bicycles-may-be-t > aken-off-the-road/ > > > > Bad choice. Sorry to see this opportunity wasted. But maybe it's not too > late. > > > > Eric Britton > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From edelman at greenidea.eu Sun Mar 13 21:10:56 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:10:56 +0100 Subject: [sustran] =?windows-1252?Q?Amsterdam=3A_=91More_scooters_due_to_p?= =?windows-1252?Q?ublic_transport_cuts=92?= Message-ID: <4D7CB450.20209@greenidea.eu> Sounds familiar, yes? Anyway the cycling and environmental groups have some proposals for controls on scooters.... http://www.nieuwsuitamsterdam.nl/en/2011/03/more-scooters-due-public-transport-cuts Public transport cuts will result in even more scooters in Amsterdam, Fietsersbond, Milieucentrum Amsterdam and V?lo Mondial warn. Today they will present Alderman Eric Wiebes with a petition against scooter nuisance singed by almost six thousand people. The initiators want the most polluting motors banned; they want all scooters banned from bicycle paths and they want stricter enforcement of the speed limit. Research found that 94% of scooters on bicycle paths speed. The Fietsersbond ? a cyclists? organisation ? and Milieucentrum Amsterdam ? an environmental organisation ? have received many complaints on scooters. ?Danger, polluting exhaust fumes and noise, a minority of road users is doing disproportionate damage to the peace and quite and to the health of all Amsterdammers?, Director Jupijn Haffmans of the Milieucentrum Amsterdam said. -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From phaizan at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 15:37:49 2011 From: phaizan at gmail.com (Faizan Jawed) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:07:49 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Mumbai Govt realizes Sea Link straining its kitty Message-ID: Is Bandra-Worli sea link forcing MSRDC to opt for cheaper option? Published: Sunday, Mar 13, 2011, 23:09 IST By *Ninad Siddhaye* | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA Built at an exorbitant Rs1,634 crore, the 4.7-km Bandra-Worli sea link is turning out to be a white elephant. With the average daily vehicle count not even reaching 50% of its original estimates, the state government may have to seriously re-examine its plan to extend the sealink further. This is perhaps why officials in the Maharashtra State Road Development Corporation (MSRDC) ? the agency that owns the sea link ? are now focusing on constructing a coastal road ahead of Worli, instead of extending the sealink as originally planned, say sources in the corporation. The corporation has suffered a heavy loss by constructing the first phase of the sea link, said the sources. Opened partially in August 2009 and fully in March 2010, the sea link had a little more than 1.5 crore vehicles plying on it between August 2009 and February 2011, according to database accessed by DNA. This is less than half of the original estimated traffic. A senior state government official agreed that the Bandra-Worli sea link has turned out to be a dearer option for the government. ?However, in the past the Coastal Regulatory Zone (CRZ) restrictions prevented us from thinking of a coastal road. Technical analysis in past surveys has always favoured a coastal road instead of a sea link,? said the official. As per the plans, the corporation has now decided to construct a combination of coastal road on embankment as well as on stilts as well as a tunnel, taking the route all the way up to Wilson College on Marine Drive. Explaining the concept, MSRDC vice chairman and managing director, Bipin Shrimali, said the corporation had already submitted a detailed plan to the Maharashtra Coastal Zone Management Authority (MCZMA) about the coastal road plan. ?The present sea-link ends at the Worli sea face. We intend to construct a coastal road on an embankment (by way of reclamation) taking 65m to 70m of the present promenade up to Samudra Mahal building near the Rajni Patel Chowk. From there, we intend to construct a coastal road on stilts up to Mahalaxmi temple which will be on the western side (sea side) of the Haji Ali dargah,? said Shrimali. The corporation has two options once the coastal road reaches Mahalaxmi. ?We can directly construct a tunnel up to Wilson College, which is the first option. The second option will be to continue a coastal road on stilts up to Priyadarshani Park and from there construct a tunnel up to Wilson College. In any case, this will be a reality only if MCZMA gives us a nod. However, we will construct the same within next 39 months,? claimed Shrimali. When asked whether the new Coastal Zone Regulation (CRZ) allows a coastal road on an embankment, Shrimali indicated that it may get a nod from the state as well as Centre. *A white elephant? * When the sea link was under construction, the estimated daily vehicle count on it was close to 50,000. However, in reality, the sea link sees an average vehicle count of only 50% of the estimated figure. http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_is-bandra-worli-sea-link-forcing-msrdc-to-opt-for-cheaper-option_1519598 From krc12353 at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 22:10:16 2011 From: krc12353 at gmail.com (Karthik Rao-Cavale) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:10:16 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Mumbai Govt realizes Sea Link straining its kitty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, I think they can make better use of the Bandra-Worli sea-link by making it a tourist destination. Lots of money to be made that way. Imagine, one of the two bridges closed to traffic, and instead opened up to pedestrians and pushcarts and bicyclists. So much fun to be had! MSRDC could charge entires at Rs. 150 a person and make more money than anything vehicular traffic might achieve. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Faizan Jawed wrote: > Is Bandra-Worli sea link forcing MSRDC to opt for cheaper option? > Published: Sunday, Mar 13, 2011, 23:09 IST > By *Ninad Siddhaye* | Place: Mumbai | Agency: DNA > > Built at an exorbitant Rs1,634 crore, the 4.7-km Bandra-Worli sea link is > turning out to be a white elephant. With the average daily vehicle count > not > even reaching 50% of its original estimates, the state government may have > to seriously re-examine its plan to extend the sealink further. > > This is perhaps why officials in the Maharashtra State Road Development > Corporation (MSRDC) ? the agency that owns the sea link ? are now focusing > on constructing a coastal road ahead of Worli, instead of extending the > sealink as originally planned, say sources in the corporation. > > The corporation has suffered a heavy loss by constructing the first phase > of > the sea link, said the sources. Opened partially in August 2009 and fully > in > March 2010, the sea link had a little more than 1.5 crore vehicles plying > on > it between August 2009 and February 2011, according to database accessed by > DNA. This is less than half of the original estimated traffic. > > A senior state government official agreed that the Bandra-Worli sea link > has > turned out to be a dearer option for the government. > ?However, in the past the Coastal Regulatory Zone (CRZ) restrictions > prevented us from thinking of a coastal road. Technical analysis in past > surveys has always favoured a coastal road instead of a sea link,? said the > official. > > As per the plans, the corporation has now decided to construct a > combination > of coastal road on embankment as well as on stilts as well as a tunnel, > taking the route all the way up to Wilson College on Marine Drive. > > Explaining the concept, MSRDC vice chairman and managing director, Bipin > Shrimali, said the corporation had already submitted a detailed plan to the > Maharashtra Coastal Zone Management Authority (MCZMA) about the coastal > road > plan. > > ?The present sea-link ends at the Worli sea face. We intend to construct a > coastal road on an embankment (by way of reclamation) taking 65m to 70m of > the present promenade up to Samudra Mahal building near the Rajni Patel > Chowk. From there, we intend to construct a coastal road on stilts up to > Mahalaxmi temple which will be on the western side (sea side) of the Haji > Ali dargah,? said Shrimali. > > The corporation has two options once the coastal road reaches Mahalaxmi. > ?We > can directly construct a tunnel up to Wilson College, which is the first > option. The second option will be to continue a coastal road on stilts up > to > Priyadarshani Park and from there construct a tunnel up to Wilson College. > In any case, this will be a reality only if MCZMA gives us a nod. However, > we will construct the same within next 39 months,? claimed Shrimali. > > When asked whether the new Coastal Zone Regulation (CRZ) allows a coastal > road on an embankment, Shrimali indicated that it may get a nod from the > state as well as Centre. > > *A white elephant? * > When the sea link was under construction, the estimated daily vehicle count > on it was close to 50,000. However, in reality, the sea link sees an > average > vehicle count of only 50% of the estimated figure. > > > > http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_is-bandra-worli-sea-link-forcing-msrdc-to-opt-for-cheaper-option_1519598 > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Mar 14 23:06:22 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:06:22 +0100 Subject: [sustran] World Telemobility Forum - An invitation Message-ID: <046a01cbe251$0499d590$0dcd80b0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Heavy traffic on the way to sustainable cities and sustainable lives . . . The first step in any viable new mobility strategy must be to find good ways NOT to take that step, but still somehow get what you need and aspire to. There are basically three ways to make this happen. The first is to forbid people to travel. Not such a good way I would say. The second is to cut down on distances to be travelled through better land use planning and practice. Excellent, but it normally takes quite a bit of time The third is to use technology to make that trip or to accomplish that objective. This brings us into the world of "telemobility", which is pretty vast and covers many varieties of telework, telecommuting, teleconferencing, telemedicine, teleshopping and that long list goes on. If this sort of thing interest you, it may be an efficient step to consider to come into the World Telemobility Forum that we have just set up as a Facebook Group to support focused exchanges and sharing in this area. You can find it at http://tinyurl.com/FB-Telemobility And should you have any ideas about people or lists who might be interested it would be much appreciated if you could pass this on. Thank you (and be at least a bit more telemobile), Eric Britton - - - > Would you like to support World Streets? If so please click here. Read World Streets at http://worldstreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here India Streets ? is on-line at http://IndiaStreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here Nuova Mobilit? - http://nuovamobilita.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here New Mobility Partnerships ? http://www.newmobility.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 4119 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110314/cddb1dd9/attachment.png -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some Indian communists thank me off list when I point out things like this :-) ) Report says New Delhi is pushing to modernise its military in a bid to counter China and gain international clout. http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/03/201131464110211223.html Last Modified: 14 Mar 2011 08:03 GMT India is expected to spend an estimated $80bn over the next 10 years to modernise its military [EPA] India has overtaken China to become the world's largest importer of weapons, according to a Swedish think-tank that monitors global arms sales. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute report said India was pushing ahead with plans to modernise its military in an effort to counter China's influence and gain international clout. India's defence budget for the coming year is 1.5 trillion rupees ($32.5bn), a 40 per cent increase from two years ago. It imports more than 70 per cent of its weapons. The report said the vast majority of those imports ? 82 per cent ? come from Russia, which has long been India's supplier of choice. Its investment comes amid rising concerns about China's regional power and its designs over vital Indian Ocean shipping lanes, which New Delhi sees as part of its sphere of influence. The government is reportedly spending billions of dollars on fighter jets and aircraft carriers to modernise its air force and navy. Siemon Wezeman, a senior fellow at the institute, said on Monday China dropped to second place with six per cent of global imports as it continued to build up its domestic arms industry, something India has so far failed to do. "Just from what they have already ordered, we know that in the coming few years India will be the top importer," he added. Weapons club On the dealers' side, the United States remains the largest arms exporter, followed by Russia and Germany, according to the report. The Swedish institute measures arms transactions over a five-year period to take into account the long time lag between orders and delivery of arms. There are lingering tensions over unresolved border issues between India and China, which led to war in 1962. India also remains in its traditional faceoff with neighbouring Pakistan, with which it has fought three wars. "India has ambitions to become first a continental and [then] a regional power," Rahul Bedi, a South Asia analyst with London-based Jane's Defence Weekly, told The Associated Press. "To become a big boy, you need to project your power." India is expected to spend $80bn over the next decade to upgrade its military. Besides Russia, other countries pushing for a chunk of the lucrative market include Britain, the United States and France who have finalised deals worth billions of dollars for trainer and fighter jets, transport aircraft, an aircraft carrier and submarines. "The kind of purchases that India is buying, no country in the world buys," added Bedi of Jane's Defence Weekly. "What is in the pipeline is huge." Source: Agencies -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue Mar 15 05:11:09 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:11:09 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> References: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <06a001cbe283$f80a5150$e81ef3f0$@britton@ecoplan.org> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton From cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org Tue Mar 15 10:10:30 2011 From: cornie.huizenga at slocatpartnership.org (Cornie Huizenga) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:10:30 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <514243762396750985@unknownmsgid> References: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> <514243762396750985@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Eric, I fully agree! Cornie On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton wrote: > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Cornie Huizenga Joint Convener Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport Mobile: +86 13901949332 cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org www.slocat.net From chenmunn at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 11:45:06 2011 From: chenmunn at gmail.com (Chenmunn Tham) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:45:06 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> <514243762396750985@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Totally off-topic Todd. :) Defense budget and infrastructure budget are 2 separate items. In fact, I'm glad that India (or any country with good governance) is sensible to separate infra from defense. cheers, Chen Munn On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Cornie Huizenga < cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > Eric, > > I fully agree! > > Cornie > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton >wrote: > > > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > Cornie Huizenga > Joint Convener > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > www.slocat.net > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From edelman at greenidea.eu Tue Mar 15 12:21:13 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:21:13 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> <514243762396750985@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4D7EDB29.1060105@greenidea.eu> Thanks Chen but that's definitely not my point. - T On 03/15/2011 03:45 AM, Chenmunn Tham wrote: > Totally off-topic Todd. :) > > Defense budget and infrastructure budget are 2 separate items. In fact, I'm > glad that India (or any country with good governance) is sensible to > separate infra from defense. > > cheers, > Chen Munn > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Cornie Huizenga< > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: > >> Eric, >> >> I fully agree! >> >> Cornie >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton>> wrote: >>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cornie Huizenga >> Joint Convener >> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >> www.slocat.net >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From joshirutul at yahoo.co.in Tue Mar 15 14:49:47 2011 From: joshirutul at yahoo.co.in (Rutul Joshi) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:19:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Message-ID: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain?? (Before anyone label me, I must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport - might be a bit naive. There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National Urban Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM now 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans - CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? Rutul ________________________________ From: Cornie Huizenga To: eric britton Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Eric, I fully agree! Cornie On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton wrote: > You are off topic Todd. Please.? Eric Britton > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Cornie Huizenga Joint Convener Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport Mobile: +86 13901949332 cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org www.slocat.net -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From paulbarter at nus.edu.sg Tue Mar 15 14:58:18 2011 From: paulbarter at nus.edu.sg (Paul Barter) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:58:18 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F850E42E4589F45AE2799F34B645C3601CE2DBCCA@MBX06.stf.nus.edu.sg> Dear Rutul and all I don't think it is particularly off topic in and of itself, so long as the follow-up conversions focus mainly on urban transport rather than the other things that are getting the big $. But there is a danger that such posts provoke an off-topic debate. Rutul's follow-up nicely steers us back to thinking about transport policy. All the best, Paul [sustran-discuss list manager - one of two, together with Karl Fjellstrom] Paul A. Barter | Assistant Professor | LKY School of Public Policy National University of Singapore | 469C Bukit Timah Road | Singapore 259772 | Tel: +65-6516 3324 | Fax: +65-6778 1020 | paulbarter@nus.edu.sg | http://www.spp.nus.edu.sg/Faculty_Paul_Barter.aspx |http://www.reinventingtransport.org/ |http://www.reinventingparking.org -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+sppbpa=nus.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+sppbpa=nus.edu.sg@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Rutul Joshi Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 1:50 PM To: Cornie Huizenga; eric britton; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain?? (Before anyone label me, I must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport - might be a bit naive. There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National Urban Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM now 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans - CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? Rutul From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 17:11:58 2011 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:41:58 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts talking about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK and France and many other countries that could use the money on health, education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from the citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). I also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are not doing enough in this area. Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I think all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater use of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a favourable National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City Mobility Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and cities etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 years back. -- Sujit On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi wrote: > Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, I > must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > > > However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport - > might be a bit naive. > > > There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National Urban > Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM now > 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans - > CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building > footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > > > > Rutul > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Cornie Huizenga > To: eric britton > Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > > Eric, > > I fully agree! > > Cornie > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton >wrote: > > > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > Cornie Huizenga > Joint Convener > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > www.slocat.net > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city?* Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujit@parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 18:58:56 2011 From: adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com (Dr Adhiraj Joglekar) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:58:56 +0000 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare is absent? My answer is NO. Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married to history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our faculties is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious frontal lobe? While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we respond to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to get masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport system. Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt ideas are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. Businesses have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of such basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to describe above. Cheers Adhiraj On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan wrote: > Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > > My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which > can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts talking > about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK and > France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also > joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from > the > citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). I > also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are not > doing enough in this area. > > Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > think > all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the > wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater use > of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial > amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > favourable > National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City Mobility > Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > cities > etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is > also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > > I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 years > back. > > -- > Sujit > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >wrote: > > > Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, I > > must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > > > > > > However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport > - > > might be a bit naive. > > > > > > There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > > budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > Urban > > Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM > now > > 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans > - > > CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building > > footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > > > > > > > > Rutul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Cornie Huizenga > > To: eric britton > > Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > > infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > > > > Eric, > > > > I fully agree! > > > > Cornie > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton > >wrote: > > > > > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cornie Huizenga > > Joint Convener > > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > > www.slocat.net > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city?* > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujit@parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 19:48:42 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Pardo) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 05:48:42 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Adhiraj, You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices of where to spend money. (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) Pardo Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar wrote: > I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are > finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment > across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare is > absent? My answer is NO. > > Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married to > history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our faculties > is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious > frontal lobe? > > While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing > emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of > course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we respond > to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic > tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to get > masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport > system. > > Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt ideas > are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. Businesses > have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an > example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why > would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of such > basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to > describe above. > > Cheers > > Adhiraj > > > > On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan wrote: > >> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. >> >> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which >> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts talking >> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK and >> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, >> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also >> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism >> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from >> the >> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). I >> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are not >> doing enough in this area. >> >> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I >> think >> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the >> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater use >> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial >> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a >> favourable >> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City Mobility >> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and >> cities >> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is >> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. >> >> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and >> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that >> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may >> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 years >> back. >> >> -- >> Sujit >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >> wrote: >> >>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, I >>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) >>> >>> >>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport >> - >>> might be a bit naive. >>> >>> >>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual >>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National >> Urban >>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM >> now >>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans >> - >>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building >>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rutul >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Cornie Huizenga >>> To: eric britton >>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < >>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM >>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike >>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' >>> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I fully agree! >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cornie Huizenga >>> Joint Convener >>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >>> www.slocat.net >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment >> to destroy the city?* >> >> Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel >> Munich 1970 >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sujit Patwardhan >> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >> sujit@parisar.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India >> Tel: +91 20 25537955 >> Cell: +91 98220 26627 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Parisar: www.parisar.org >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From sunny.sutp at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 14:10:54 2011 From: sunny.sutp at gmail.com (Sunny Kodukula) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:40:54 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <4D7EDB29.1060105@greenidea.eu> References: <4D7E6C6E.4070807@greenidea.eu> <514243762396750985@unknownmsgid> <4D7EDB29.1060105@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <196CE5B3-2396-4D07-BBC7-C7D1F0E43563@gmail.com> I think Todd has a point, when we can spend so much for defense of the country why don't we spend any for the defense of the pedestrians or public transport users. cheers sunny On Mar 15, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Todd Edelman wrote: > Thanks Chen but that's definitely not my point. > > - T > > On 03/15/2011 03:45 AM, Chenmunn Tham wrote: >> Totally off-topic Todd. :) >> >> Defense budget and infrastructure budget are 2 separate items. In fact, I'm >> glad that India (or any country with good governance) is sensible to >> separate infra from defense. >> >> cheers, >> Chen Munn >> >> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Cornie Huizenga< >> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org> wrote: >> >>> Eric, >>> >>> I fully agree! >>> >>> Cornie >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton>>> wrote: >>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cornie Huizenga >>> Joint Convener >>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >>> www.slocat.net >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >> > > > -- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory, > a member of the OPENbike team > > Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > todd@openbike.se > www.openbike.se > > Skype: toddedelman > > Urbanstr. 45 > 10967 Berlin > Germany > > *** > > OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From bruun at seas.upenn.edu Wed Mar 16 05:10:59 2011 From: bruun at seas.upenn.edu (bruun at seas.upenn.edu) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:10:59 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Pardo So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they serve a useful purpose but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? Eric Bruun Quoting Pardo : > Adhiraj, > > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices > of where to spend money. > > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) > > Pardo > > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. > > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar > wrote: > >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare is >> absent? My answer is NO. >> >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married to >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our faculties >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious >> frontal lobe? >> >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we respond >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to get >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport >> system. >> >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt ideas >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. Businesses >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of such >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to >> describe above. >> >> Cheers >> >> Adhiraj >> >> >> >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan wrote: >> >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. >>> >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts talking >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK and >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from >>> the >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). I >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are not >>> doing enough in this area. >>> >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I >>> think >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater use >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a >>> favourable >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City Mobility >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and >>> cities >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. >>> >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 years >>> back. >>> >>> -- >>> Sujit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, I >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) >>>> >>>> >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport >>> - >>>> might be a bit naive. >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National >>> Urban >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM >>> now >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans >>> - >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rutul >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga >>>> To: eric britton >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' >>>> >>>> Eric, >>>> >>>> I fully agree! >>>> >>>> Cornie >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>> real >>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>> >>>>> ================================================================ >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries >>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cornie Huizenga >>>> Joint Convener >>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >>>> www.slocat.net >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via 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98220 26627 >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Parisar: www.parisar.org >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the 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From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 07:15:08 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:15:08 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No matter what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is the perfect solution. Carlosfelipe Pardo. On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: > > Pardo > > So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they > serve a useful purpose > but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? > > Eric Bruun > > Quoting Pardo : > > > Adhiraj, > > > > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a > > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and > > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's > > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned > > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a > > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an > > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some > > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, > > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices > > of where to spend money. > > > > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) > > > > Pardo > > > > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. > > > > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar > > wrote: > > > >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are > >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment > >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare > is > >> absent? My answer is NO. > >> > >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married > to > >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our > faculties > >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious > >> frontal lobe? > >> > >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing > >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of > >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we > respond > >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic > >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to > get > >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport > >> system. > >> > >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt > ideas > >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. > Businesses > >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an > >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why > >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of > such > >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to > >> describe above. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Adhiraj > >> > >> > >> > >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan > wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > >>> > >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone > which > >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts > talking > >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK > and > >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are > also > >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come > from > >>> the > >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do > so). I > >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are > not > >>> doing enough in this area. > >>> > >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > >>> think > >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on > the > >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater > use > >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with > substantial > >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > >>> favourable > >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City > Mobility > >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > >>> cities > >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This > is > >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > >>> > >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 > years > >>> back. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sujit > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, > I > >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable > transport > >>> - > >>>> might be a bit naive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > >>> Urban > >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy > (JNNURM > >>> now > >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility > plans > >>> - > >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like > building > >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rutul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga > >>>> To: eric britton > >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > >>>> > >>>> Eric, > >>>> > >>>> I fully agree! > >>>> > >>>> Cornie > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > >>> real > >>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================================================ > >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > >>> countries > >>>>> (the 'Global South'). > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cornie Huizenga > >>>> Joint Convener > >>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > >>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 > >>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > >>>> www.slocat.net > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>>> > >>>> ================================================================ > >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > >>>> (the 'Global South'). > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>> > >>>> 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------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > >>> Tel: +91 20 25537955 > >>> Cell: +91 98220 26627 > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> Parisar: www.parisar.org > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>> > >>> ================================================================ > >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > >>> (the 'Global South'). > >>> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > >> real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >> > >> ================================================================ > >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > >> countries (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > > real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > > countries (the 'Global South'). > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From krc12353 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 08:49:57 2011 From: krc12353 at gmail.com (Karthik Rao-Cavale) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 19:49:57 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am going to take a slightly different view on this. 1) The amount of money available is not finite. Governments, especially national governments, have the choice of passing conservative budgets or inflationary budgets. Of course, inflationary budgets will come back to bite us in the future, so as a nation, India needs to decide how much of our current spending should we burden our next generations with. Second, of course, is the question of how all the money will be spent. We might decide, like Japan, to have little expenditure on national defence and focus on development (I do respect the resilience that country has shown in the face of several consecutive disasters), but we might end up paying a high price for that. So clearly we are talking about explicitly national priorities. 2) That said, even the question of spending on footpaths versus spending on elevated roads in Pune is a question of priorities, albeit local priorities. These issues should be resolved within local democratic spaces, just as issues regarding central government budgets should be decided within national democratic spaces. Does that mean we cannot discuss the question of footpaths versus elevated roads in Pune in this forum or any forum that includes people from outside Pune? 3) One might say that other people are also affected by the why, what and how much of Pune's transportation spending, because of fiscal deficits and climate change and everything else. Correct. But looking at it that way, India's defence spending does affect a host of countries, and an inflationary budget in India causes inflation not just in India but throughout the world! If we are all inter-connected, why do we place so much value by national sovereignty? 4) One might argue that sustran is a community of "experts", people who use instrumental rationality to further goals that society puts forward. That is quite apparently a weak argument. We at sustrans have very openly adopted the roles of advocates - advocates for the environment and the poor and everyone we can possibly advocate for while being consistent in our demand for "sustainable" transport. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, it does place us in the position where we are inserting our voices in local decision-making processes and trying to influence the decisions being arrived at. We need to be aware of that. 5) Those who feel queasy discussing India's defence policy also need to realize that in current technological circumstances, truly democratic decision-making is by nature of a transparent sort. In other words, a national democratic space with a free press and access to information necessarily means that foreigners will be able to comment on what India ought to do. This is inevitable, and developed countries live with this prospect quite cheerfully. What is needed is that a) democratic institutions in India (or other developing countries) be resilient enough to keep out voices that speak to further interests that India does not share; and b) non-Indians have the restraint to not interfere unduly in Indian democratic spaces. 6) The important learning for us here at Sustrans is that these two conditions hold true not just for national democratic spaces but also for local democratic spaces. Too often one finds organizations funded by foreign donors inserting their voices in local democratic decision-making. As I said, this by itself need not be a problem if it is done in a responsible way. But oftentimes the intrusion is problematic, because the interests being served are not those of the local citizens. For instance, the over-emphasis on greenhouse gas reduction in India's transportation (or that of any other medium-income/low-income country) strikes me as a particularly problematic feature of some of the work done under the guise of sustainable transportation. It is furthermore problematic because local democratic institutions are not as resilient as national institutions to deal with the pressure they get from these donor-funded organizations. We desperately need outside voices to be very aware of their roles as organizations that do not necessarily share local values and aspirations. That said, if local governments are acting in ways obviously detrimental to the majority of their own constituents, I do recognize our moral duty to advocate for a different approach. (Advocacy for footpaths in Pune would fall under that criteria) These points are clearly applicable not only to India, but also to Columbia and Indonesia and Nigeria and every other country of the global south. I applaud the restraint shown by the leading members of sustrans (and frankly think that they are being too cautious, given that India's national government is too weighty to listen to us mavericks in sustrans) but I would like to see some of that constraint rub off into our interactions with local democracies. This is especially important to us, because many local democratic institutions (whose work we at Sustrans are most concerned with) tend to be extraordinarily weak, and we sometimes weaken them further through our interference. But we might also work to strengthen local democracy, and we should realize that part of our mandate is precisely to do so. Regards, karthik On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Sujit Patwardhan < patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > > My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which > can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts talking > about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK and > France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also > joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from > the > citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). I > also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are not > doing enough in this area. > > Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > think > all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the > wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater use > of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial > amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > favourable > National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City Mobility > Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > cities > etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is > also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > > I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 years > back. > > -- > Sujit > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >wrote: > > > Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, I > > must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > > > > > > However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable transport > - > > might be a bit naive. > > > > > > There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > > budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > Urban > > Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy (JNNURM > now > > 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility plans > - > > CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like building > > footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > > > > > > > > Rutul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Cornie Huizenga > > To: eric britton > > Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > > infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > > > > Eric, > > > > I fully agree! > > > > Cornie > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton > >wrote: > > > > > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cornie Huizenga > > Joint Convener > > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > > www.slocat.net > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city?* > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujit@parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From yanivbin at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 14:45:36 2011 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:15:36 +0530 Subject: [sustran] BRT Part II to come up in E Delhi Message-ID: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/7715071.cms BRT Part II to come up in E DelhiRumu Banerjee, TNN | Mar 16, 2011, 04.52am IST NEW DELHI: Even as the Moolchand-Delhi Gate stretch of the Ambedkar Nagar-Delhi Gate Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) corridor awaits commissioning, the transport department is preparing to launch the second edition of BRT. This time, the corridor stretches from Shastri Park to Karawal Nagar, both in east Delhi, and will be a mix of the centre and left-aligned bus lanes. Said a senior transport official, "It's a site-specific plan where we will disturb existing lanes as little as possible." The 15-km corridor ? earlier it was supposed to be 9km ? has been broken into two parts, much like the existing BRT corridor. One part is from Karawal Nagar to Gandhinagar while the second one covers Bhajanpura and Mori Gate connecting with Shastri Park. Interestingly, the bus lane in both parts is different, with the lane being in the centre on one stretch and along one side of the carriageway on the other. Said an official, "Along the Yamuna Pushta, the lane will be on one side where we are trying not to touch the existing road space." Instead, road space is being carved out from the embankment, where the bus lane will come up along the left side of the road. Meanwhile, the two arms, from Bhajanpura to the main road, and from Shastri Park to Mori Gate, will have bus lanes running in the middle of the road. According to officials, the plan has been designed in consultation with the traffic police. The detailed project report (DPR) needs the clearance of Unified Traffic and Transportation Infrastructure (Planning and Engineering) Centre before it's sent to the cabinet for approval. And though the BRT project has been sent to the expenditure finance committee for approval, sources said funding for the project has been an issue for some time now. Incidentally, unlike the earlier corridor, the transport department will be handing over the construction of the corridor to the public works department this time. Management of the corridor, however, will remain with the Delhi Integrated Multi-modal Transit System (DIMTS), which has also made the initial DPR for the second corridor. The plans for the corridor also include closed bus stations, located on the central platform of the two-lane corridor. The bus corridor will be integrated with the Delhi Metro at Kashmere Gate ISBT and Shastri Park to provide seamless travel, added officials. The government plans to build 15 corridors in the city, with feasibility studies being commissioned for seven of these. The Karawal Nagar-Shastri Park corridor will be the second BRT corridor to come up after the first one came up in 2008. From adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com Wed Mar 16 17:55:00 2011 From: adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com (Dr Adhiraj Joglekar) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:55:00 +0000 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Whether it is a dimunitive figure of say 1 million or 10 million for each financial year the budget is still finite. Have we not seen enough to accept Governments or individuals can't borrow till the end of the world? Everything else you share is hard to make full sense of as there are several paradoxes within each thread (para). Perhaps what you suggest is a need for balance between conflicting forces. Adhiraj On 15 March 2011 23:49, Karthik Rao-Cavale wrote: > I am going to take a slightly different view on this. > > 1) The amount of money available is not finite. Governments, especially > national governments, have the choice of passing conservative budgets or > inflationary budgets. Of course, inflationary budgets will come back to > bite > us in the future, so as a nation, India needs to decide how much of our > current spending should we burden our next generations with. Second, of > course, is the question of how all the money will be spent. We might > decide, > like Japan, to have little expenditure on national defence and focus on > development (I do respect the resilience that country has shown in the face > of several consecutive disasters), but we might end up paying a high price > for that. So clearly we are talking about explicitly national priorities. > > 2) That said, even the question of spending on footpaths versus spending on > elevated roads in Pune is a question of priorities, albeit local > priorities. > These issues should be resolved within local democratic spaces, just as > issues regarding central government budgets should be decided within > national democratic spaces. Does that mean we cannot discuss the question > of > footpaths versus elevated roads in Pune in this forum or any forum that > includes people from outside Pune? > > 3) One might say that other people are also affected by the why, what and > how much of Pune's transportation spending, because of fiscal deficits and > climate change and everything else. Correct. But looking at it that way, > India's defence spending does affect a host of countries, and an > inflationary budget in India causes inflation not just in India but > throughout the world! If we are all inter-connected, why do we place so > much > value by national sovereignty? > > 4) One might argue that sustran is a community of "experts", people who use > instrumental rationality to further goals that society puts forward. That > is > quite apparently a weak argument. We at sustrans have very openly adopted > the roles of advocates - advocates for the environment and the poor and > everyone we can possibly advocate for while being consistent in our demand > for "sustainable" transport. While this is not necessarily a bad thing, it > does place us in the position where we are inserting our voices in local > decision-making processes and trying to influence the decisions being > arrived at. We need to be aware of that. > > 5) Those who feel queasy discussing India's defence policy also need to > realize that in current technological circumstances, truly democratic > decision-making is by nature of a transparent sort. In other words, a > national democratic space with a free press and access to information > necessarily means that foreigners will be able to comment on what India > ought to do. This is inevitable, and developed countries live with this > prospect quite cheerfully. What is needed is that a) democratic > institutions > in India (or other developing countries) be resilient enough to keep out > voices that speak to further interests that India does not share; and b) > non-Indians have the restraint to not interfere unduly in Indian democratic > spaces. > > 6) The important learning for us here at Sustrans is that these two > conditions hold true not just for national democratic spaces but also for > local democratic spaces. Too often one finds organizations funded by > foreign > donors inserting their voices in local democratic decision-making. As I > said, this by itself need not be a problem if it is done in a responsible > way. But oftentimes the intrusion is problematic, because the interests > being served are not those of the local citizens. For instance, the > over-emphasis on greenhouse gas reduction in India's transportation (or > that > of any other medium-income/low-income country) strikes me as a particularly > problematic feature of some of the work done under the guise of sustainable > transportation. It is furthermore problematic because local democratic > institutions are not as resilient as national institutions to deal with the > pressure they get from these donor-funded organizations. We desperately > need > outside voices to be very aware of their roles as organizations that do not > necessarily share local values and aspirations. That said, if local > governments are acting in ways obviously detrimental to the majority of > their own constituents, I do recognize our moral duty to advocate for a > different approach. (Advocacy for footpaths in Pune would fall under that > criteria) > > These points are clearly applicable not only to India, but also to Columbia > and Indonesia and Nigeria and every other country of the global south. I > applaud the restraint shown by the leading members of sustrans (and frankly > think that they are being too cautious, given that India's national > government is too weighty to listen to us mavericks in sustrans) but I > would > like to see some of that constraint rub off into our interactions with > local > democracies. This is especially important to us, because many local > democratic institutions (whose work we at Sustrans are most concerned with) > tend to be extraordinarily weak, and we sometimes weaken them further > through our interference. But we might also work to strengthen local > democracy, and we should realize that part of our mandate is precisely to > do > so. > > Regards, > karthik > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, Sujit Patwardhan < > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > > > > My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone which > > can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts > talking > > about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK > and > > France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > > education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are also > > joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > > against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come from > > the > > citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do so). > I > > also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are > not > > doing enough in this area. > > > > Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > > think > > all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on the > > wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater > use > > of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with substantial > > amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > > favourable > > National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City > Mobility > > Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > > cities > > etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This is > > also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > > > > I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > > regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > > presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > > start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 > years > > back. > > > > -- > > Sujit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi > >wrote: > > > > > Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, > I > > > must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > > > > > > > > > However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable > transport > > - > > > might be a bit naive. > > > > > > > > > There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > > > budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > > Urban > > > Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy > (JNNURM > > now > > > 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility > plans > > - > > > CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like > building > > > footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rutul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Cornie Huizenga > > > To: eric britton > > > Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > > > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > > > infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > I fully agree! > > > > > > Cornie > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > > real > > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > > countries > > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Cornie Huizenga > > > Joint Convener > > > Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > > > Mobile: +86 13901949332 > > > cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > > > www.slocat.net > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > > to destroy the city?* > > > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > > Munich 1970 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Sujit Patwardhan > > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > > sujit@parisar.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com Wed Mar 16 17:57:38 2011 From: adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com (Dr Adhiraj Joglekar) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 08:57:38 +0000 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: Really the answer is within the question asked. Do we ask how to stop fire or how to prevent fire? Both can be answered. Do our authorities ask the commissioned experts which would work best Bus priority, BRT or metro and compare pros and cons or simply will a metro help? Adhiraj On 15 March 2011 22:15, Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical > reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No > matter > what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor > them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is > the perfect solution. > > Carlosfelipe Pardo. > > On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: > > > > > Pardo > > > > So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they > > serve a useful purpose > > but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? > > > > Eric Bruun > > > > Quoting Pardo : > > > > > Adhiraj, > > > > > > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a > > > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and > > > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's > > > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned > > > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a > > > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an > > > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some > > > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, > > > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices > > > of where to spend money. > > > > > > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) > > > > > > Pardo > > > > > > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. > > > > > > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies > are > > >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs > assessment > > >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare > > is > > >> absent? My answer is NO. > > >> > > >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain > married > > to > > >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our > > faculties > > >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or > conscious > > >> frontal lobe? > > >> > > >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing > > >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of > > >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we > > respond > > >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic > > >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to > > get > > >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport > > >> system. > > >> > > >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt > > ideas > > >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. > > Businesses > > >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is > an > > >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. > Why > > >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of > > such > > >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to > > >> describe above. > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> Adhiraj > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan > > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > > >>> > > >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone > > which > > >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts > > talking > > >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and > UK > > and > > >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > > >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are > > also > > >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the > criticism > > >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come > > from > > >>> the > > >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do > > so). I > > >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) > are > > not > > >>> doing enough in this area. > > >>> > > >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities > I > > >>> think > > >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on > > the > > >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) > greater > > use > > >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with > > substantial > > >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > > >>> favourable > > >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City > > Mobility > > >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > > >>> cities > > >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This > > is > > >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > > >>> > > >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > > >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > > >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it > may > > >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 > > years > > >>> back. > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Sujit > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi < > joshirutul@yahoo.co.in > > >>>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label > me, > > I > > >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable > > transport > > >>> - > > >>>> might be a bit naive. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ > annual > > >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place > (National > > >>> Urban > > >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy > > (JNNURM > > >>> now > > >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility > > plans > > >>> - > > >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like > > building > > >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Rutul > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga > > >>>> To: eric britton > > >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > > >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > > >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > > >>>> > > >>>> Eric, > > >>>> > > >>>> I fully agree! > > >>>> > > >>>> Cornie > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < > > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. 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SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > From ianenvironmental at googlemail.com Wed Mar 16 20:37:14 2011 From: ianenvironmental at googlemail.com (Ian Perry) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:37:14 +0000 Subject: [sustran] "Everything's different" Message-ID: ?Everything?s different?, are the words of my Japanese friend in Tokyo to describe the current situation there. When I lived in Tokyo, I?d adjust my watch not by other clocks, but the train as it arrived at the station platform. Only twice in the year I was there was my train, which ran on 8 minute frequencies, not bang on time, being 4 minutes late on both occasions. Today, my friend tells me that the trains are chaotic. They run not to timetable, but to the amount of available energy they have, and trains are also subject to the rolling blackouts, closing lines for parts of the day. My friend, who on the day of the quake spent 3 hours walking home (probably it would have been two hours or less walk for me) is working half days due to the lack of trains. A fellow employee has like many Japanese started cycling. One lady at my friends? office spent 4.5 hours cycling to work on a newly purchased bicycle, though my observations of Japanese cyclists was when I was overtaking them whilst walking... so the distance might not be so great. My friend says that bicycles are too expensive for her to purchase, but many did purchase bicycles to get home after the quake and bicycles can be seen on the streets cleared of tsunami debris. Petrol is being rationed where it is available, oil refineries have been devastated as well as the nuclear energy supply. This is making driving difficult. I?m informed that the car plants that make the Prius and other ?green? Japanese cars are no longer functioning and the Just In Time (JIT) supply chain is in ruins. This affects car assembly throughout the world, so expect to see less new ?greenwash? vehicles on our streets once the stockpiles are gone. But... before you think that this will boost bicycle sales, Shimano, the world?s leading supplier of bicycle components/parts is Japanese. Although based in Osaka, it is possible that some of their components are made in the affected region of Japan, and if not, their production is likely to be affected by the lack of energy. Shimano has such a massive market share that we are likely to see changes in the bicycle market over the next months. What is clear is that Japan will not have so much energy for many, many years as it did before the quake and tsunami. In all aspects of life, changes will need to be made to live of what can be produced safely, though Japan is ?blessed? with the possibility of much geothermal energy. If Japan redesigns itself as it did intercity rail in the 1960?s we could see some fascination innovations. Interestingly, the Maglev train might be part of the solutions, apparently requiring less energy to run than trains on rails and this summer, the trains will not be "ice-cold". People will be moving much more in high humidity without air-conditioning. Trains, cars, the fishing fleet that provides so much food to the nation, famous neon signs, escalators, moving walkways, the levels of electrical gadgetry are all affected (phones, heated toilet seats, etc.) and levels of air-conditioning are all affected. Even in 2003 Japanese office workers were being asked to turn off their air-conditioning as Japan did not have enough energy to run everything people had purchased and wished to use. Even in 2003, Japanese people believed Japanese nuclear power plants were dangerous and they had a poor reputation for safety and had tried to cover up a number of incidents... though a sloppy UK newspaper has only found concerns from 2008. As we witnessed in Christchurch when a newly discovered fault destroyed that once beautiful city we do not know much about this planet. Hopefully the Japanese will take into account what we don?t know and what we don?t know we don?t know when rebuilding their infrastructures and systems. *The one thing that is clear is that the streets of Japan will be very different following the recent events and we may be able to learn many things from them. * Ian From dalmaluf at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 20:51:57 2011 From: dalmaluf at yahoo.com (Dal Maluf) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <812535.94184.qm@web55805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hello Eric and Carlos, ? Here in Brazil, we also have these "shiny toy" desire?deep inside most people?s minds to invest?more (and only) on?Subways as the best solution for public transportation, but the forces behind that "advocacy" process?(large construction firms, financing campaigns, corruption - see the Alstom Case w SP Metro, etc)?are much?stronger and we can't forget about them?when we consider these complex "advocacy" realities, besides the fact that ?"street-level bureaucracy" which here are?made of Metro employees running the show for transportation (they even run the Bus Agency until some months ago). ? I helped a large magazine in Brazil to gather information?on public transportation, comparing the amount of users in BUS x METRO in key Cities around?Latin America, to compare with London and Delhi, that?will be issued next week, to compare teh amount of investments in comparison?to the amount of people they could benefit.? ? My?concerns?are?related to this ?unchangeable priority" to?invest 95% of the "public transportation resources" in the expansion of the?subways, while?majority of people are still in the buses (or walking/biking), therefore, "investing" the resources only on the subways, wouldn't solve our problems, which?would leave the bus guys with nothing but increase in the fare. We haven't been able to keep young guys at buses in Brazil. They are the ones buying motorbikes and small cars... ? Every 10 years, we have 10 million extra trips in Sao Paulo. Each subway line?cost around US$ 200 million/km, and they?are taking almost 10 years to carry less than 30, 40% of the expected amount of users,?therefore, they can't even receive the among of extra passengers that these 35% of public transportation users would be to remain the same modal share... That's why private cars and motorbikes are taking over...?That?s why the trend is not looking good for us. ? Sao Paulo was luck that we constructed 123 kms of "open" BRTs between 2003/2006 (US$ 2 million/km), therefore, we went from 6 to 10 million users on the City Bus,?however, these last two governments are back to the old?philosophy (same guys) of investing exclusively?in subways, therefore, traffic jams are?growing each year... ? We are investing exclusively in subways, exclusively since 1970 to have around 70kms of lines, plus 260kms of trains and it hasn?t solve the problem at all! London has 1500kms of metro/rail lines and more people on buses, or?Mexico City here in Latam? Is it possible that Sao Paulo have 400kms of subways? Come on? It would need 10 generations to pay that bill? ? I used to support subways a lot, believe me, but now I realized that I had "fight" against the subways?mentality in order to make the case for BRTs here... There is very little money for investing in public transportation here, therefore, we have to "fight" for these money among all transportation technologies... Subways are good, but only after we have constructed all of all BRT lines... that's my core believe... ? Please see the data... ? % No Motorized Trips (walking or bike) % Private Cars % Public Transportation ? S?o Paulo 33,94% 27,25% 36,52% Rio de Janeiro 37,09% 14,91% 46,64% Cidade do M?xico 2,10% 20,70% 71% Bogot? 17,30% 14,70% 63,50% Delhi 14,70% 13,90% 46% Londres 25% 41% 33% ? ? % Distribution inside the public transport. mode? Other ? Bus + Schools Bus + Charters Subway + Urban Train + Boat Taxi + Motorbike + Rickshaw + Others Sao Paulo 78% 22% 2,29% Rio de Janeiro 92% 8% 1,35% Cidade do Mexico 80,3 19,70% 6,20% Bogota 100,00% 0% 4,40% Delhi 46,30% 10% 25% Londres 68% 32% 1% ? Sources: OD Metro 2007 Plano Diretor de Transporte Urbano da RMRJ. Pesquisa Origem Destino? Encuesta Origen-Destino2007 - IGECEN - STRAVI Plan Maestro de Movilid - Volume 3 - pg 11. Prefeitura de Bogota RITES Report (2008) Department for Transport statistics (2008/2009)?and Travel in London, Report 3, fig. 2.5 (2009/2010) --- Em ter, 15/3/11, Carlosfelipe Pardo escreveu: De: Carlosfelipe Pardo Assunto: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Para: bruun@seas.upenn.edu Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Data: Ter?a-feira, 15 de Mar?o de 2011, 19:15 Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No matter what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is the perfect solution. Carlosfelipe Pardo. On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: > > Pardo > > So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they > serve a useful purpose > but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? > > Eric Bruun > > Quoting Pardo : > > > Adhiraj, > > > > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a > > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and > > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's > > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned > > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a > > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an > > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some > > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, > > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices > > of where to spend money. > > > > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) > > > > Pardo > > > > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. > > > > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar > > wrote: > > > >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are > >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment > >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare > is > >> absent? My answer is NO. > >> > >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married > to > >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our > faculties > >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious > >> frontal lobe? > >> > >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing > >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of > >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we > respond > >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic > >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to > get > >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport > >> system. > >> > >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt > ideas > >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. > Businesses > >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an > >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why > >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of > such > >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to > >> describe above. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Adhiraj > >> > >> > >> > >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan > wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > >>> > >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone > which > >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts > talking > >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK > and > >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are > also > >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come > from > >>> the > >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do > so). I > >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are > not > >>> doing enough in this area. > >>> > >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > >>> think > >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on > the > >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater > use > >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with > substantial > >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > >>> favourable > >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City > Mobility > >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > >>> cities > >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This > is > >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > >>> > >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 > years > >>> back. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sujit > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain?? (Before anyone label me, > I > >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable > transport > >>> - > >>>> might be a bit naive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > >>> Urban > >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy > (JNNURM > >>> now > >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility > plans > >>> - > >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like > building > >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rutul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga > >>>> To: eric britton > >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > >>>> > >>>> Eric, > >>>> > >>>> I fully agree! > >>>> > >>>> Cornie > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please.? Eric Britton > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > >>> real > >>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================================================ > >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > >>> countries > >>>>> (the 'Global South'). > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cornie Huizenga > >>>> Joint Convener > >>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > >>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 > >>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > >>>> www.slocat.net > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>>> > >>>> ================================================================ > >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > >>>> (the 'Global South'). > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>> > >>>> 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From dalmaluf at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 21:00:42 2011 From: dalmaluf at yahoo.com (Dal Maluf) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 05:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: PT DATA Message-ID: <614976.90538.qm@web55808.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Data follows attached, as the email didn't show it properly... Best regards, Adalberto --- Em qua, 16/3/11, Dal Maluf escreveu: De: Dal Maluf Assunto: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Para: bruun@seas.upenn.edu, "Carlosfelipe Pardo" Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Data: Quarta-feira, 16 de Mar?o de 2011, 8:51 Hello Eric and Carlos, ? Here in Brazil, we also have these "shiny toy" desire?deep inside most people?s minds to invest?more (and only) on?Subways as the best solution for public transportation, but the forces behind that "advocacy" process?(large construction firms, financing campaigns, corruption - see the Alstom Case w SP Metro, etc)?are much?stronger and we can't forget about them?when we consider these complex "advocacy" realities, besides the fact that ?"street-level bureaucracy" which here are?made of Metro employees running the show for transportation (they even run the Bus Agency until some months ago). ? I helped a large magazine in Brazil to gather information?on public transportation, comparing the amount of users in BUS x METRO in key Cities around?Latin America, to compare with London and Delhi, that?will be issued next week, to compare teh amount of investments in comparison?to the amount of people they could benefit.? ? My?concerns?are?related to this ?unchangeable priority" to?invest 95% of the "public transportation resources" in the expansion of the?subways, while?majority of people are still in the buses (or walking/biking), therefore, "investing" the resources only on the subways, wouldn't solve our problems, which?would leave the bus guys with nothing but increase in the fare. We haven't been able to keep young guys at buses in Brazil. They are the ones buying motorbikes and small cars... ? Every 10 years, we have 10 million extra trips in Sao Paulo. Each subway line?cost around US$ 200 million/km, and they?are taking almost 10 years to carry less than 30, 40% of the expected amount of users,?therefore, they can't even receive the among of extra passengers that these 35% of public transportation users would be to remain the same modal share... That's why private cars and motorbikes are taking over...?That?s why the trend is not looking good for us. ? Sao Paulo was luck that we constructed 123 kms of "open" BRTs between 2003/2006 (US$ 2 million/km), therefore, we went from 6 to 10 million users on the City Bus,?however, these last two governments are back to the old?philosophy (same guys) of investing exclusively?in subways, therefore, traffic jams are?growing each year... ? We are investing exclusively in subways, exclusively since 1970 to have around 70kms of lines, plus 260kms of trains and it hasn?t solve the problem at all! London has 1500kms of metro/rail lines and more people on buses, or?Mexico City here in Latam? Is it possible that Sao Paulo have 400kms of subways? Come on? It would need 10 generations to pay that bill? ? I used to support subways a lot, believe me, but now I realized that I had "fight" against the subways?mentality in order to make the case for BRTs here... There is very little money for investing in public transportation here, therefore, we have to "fight" for these money among all transportation technologies... Subways are good, but only after we have constructed all of all BRT lines... that's my core believe... ? Please see the data... ? % No Motorized Trips (walking or bike) % Private Cars % Public Transportation ? S?o Paulo 33,94% 27,25% 36,52% Rio de Janeiro 37,09% 14,91% 46,64% Cidade do M?xico 2,10% 20,70% 71% Bogot? 17,30% 14,70% 63,50% Delhi 14,70% 13,90% 46% Londres 25% 41% 33% ? ? % Distribution inside the public transport. mode? Other ? Bus + Schools Bus + Charters Subway + Urban Train + Boat Taxi + Motorbike + Rickshaw + Others Sao Paulo 78% 22% 2,29% Rio de Janeiro 92% 8% 1,35% Cidade do Mexico 80,3 19,70% 6,20% Bogota 100,00% 0% 4,40% Delhi 46,30% 10% 25% Londres 68% 32% 1% ? Sources: OD Metro 2007 Plano Diretor de Transporte Urbano da RMRJ. Pesquisa Origem Destino? Encuesta Origen-Destino2007 - IGECEN - STRAVI Plan Maestro de Movilid - Volume 3 - pg 11. Prefeitura de Bogota RITES Report (2008) Department for Transport statistics (2008/2009)?and Travel in London, Report 3, fig. 2.5 (2009/2010) --- Em ter, 15/3/11, Carlosfelipe Pardo escreveu: De: Carlosfelipe Pardo Assunto: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' Para: bruun@seas.upenn.edu Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Data: Ter?a-feira, 15 de Mar?o de 2011, 19:15 Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No matter what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is the perfect solution. Carlosfelipe Pardo. On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: > > Pardo > > So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they > serve a useful purpose > but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? > > Eric Bruun > > Quoting Pardo : > > > Adhiraj, > > > > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a > > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and > > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's > > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned > > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a > > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an > > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some > > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, > > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices > > of where to spend money. > > > > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) > > > > Pardo > > > > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. > > > > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar > > wrote: > > > >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are > >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment > >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare > is > >> absent? My answer is NO. > >> > >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married > to > >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our > faculties > >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious > >> frontal lobe? > >> > >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing > >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of > >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we > respond > >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic > >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to > get > >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport > >> system. > >> > >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt > ideas > >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. > Businesses > >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an > >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why > >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of > such > >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to > >> describe above. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Adhiraj > >> > >> > >> > >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan > wrote: > >> > >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. > >>> > >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone > which > >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts > talking > >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK > and > >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, > >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are > also > >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism > >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come > from > >>> the > >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do > so). I > >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are > not > >>> doing enough in this area. > >>> > >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I > >>> think > >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on > the > >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater > use > >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with > substantial > >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a > >>> favourable > >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City > Mobility > >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and > >>> cities > >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This > is > >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. > >>> > >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and > >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that > >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may > >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 > years > >>> back. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sujit > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain?? (Before anyone label me, > I > >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable > transport > >>> - > >>>> might be a bit naive. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual > >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National > >>> Urban > >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy > (JNNURM > >>> now > >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility > plans > >>> - > >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like > building > >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Rutul > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga > >>>> To: eric britton > >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < > >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike > >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' > >>>> > >>>> Eric, > >>>> > >>>> I fully agree! > >>>> > >>>> Cornie > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < > eric.britton@ecoplan.org > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please.? Eric Britton > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > >>> real > >>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >>>>> > >>>>> ================================================================ > >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > >>> countries > >>>>> (the 'Global South'). > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Cornie Huizenga > >>>> Joint Convener > >>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport > >>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 > >>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org > 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Name: PT distribution.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20110316/7d1b9678/PTdistribution-0001.xls From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Mar 17 01:04:19 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:04:19 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: [WorldCityBike] "Everything's different" In-Reply-To: <029f01cbe3dd$63453a70$29cfaf50$@britton@ecoplan.org> References: <029f01cbe3dd$63453a70$29cfaf50$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: <4D80DF83.3020504@greenidea.eu> In regards to Shimano: /Earthquake: No Direct Damage to Shimano Production in Japan OSAKA, Japan (13.3.2011) -- The massive earthquake and tsunami that hit the Northern regions in Japan last Saturday didn't damage the Shimano factories in the country. On questions Bike Europe received this statement from Shimano Europe commercial director Frank Peiffer: "No direct damages to Shimano or problems in our delivery/production flow. Of course if the story with the nuclear power plants goes further that might still create an effect. In the coming days Shimano will present more information on this situation."/ - http://www.bike-eu.com/news/4842/earthquake-no-direct-damage-to-shimano-production-in-japan.html - Todd Edelman On 03/16/2011 02:23 PM, eric britton wrote: > > "Everything's different", are the words of my Japanese friend in Tokyo > to describe the current situation there. > > When I lived in Tokyo, I'd adjust my watch not by other clocks, but > the train as it arrived at the station platform. Only twice in the > year I was there was my train, which ran on 8 minute frequencies, not > bang on time, being 4 minutes late on both occasions. > > Tod ay, my friend tells me that the trains are chaotic. They run not > to timetable, but to the amount of available energy they have, and > trains are also subject to the rolling blackouts, closing lines for > parts of the day. My friend, who on the day of the quake spent 3 > hours walking home (probably it would have been two hours or less walk > for me) is working half days due to the lack of trains. > > A fellow employee has like many Japanese started cycling. One lady at > my friends' office spent 4.5 hours cycling to work on a newly > purchased bicycle, though my observations of Japanese cyclists was > when I was overtaking them whilst walking... so the distance might not > be so great. > > My friend says that bicycles are too expensive for her to purchase, > but many did purchase bicycles to get home after the quake and > bicycles can be seen on the streets cleared of tsunami debris. > > Petrol is being rationed where it is available, oil refineries have > been devastated as well as the nuclear energy supply. This is making > driving difficult. I'm informed that the car plants that make the > Prius and other "green" Japanese cars are no longer functioning and > the Just In Time (JIT) supply chain is in ruins. This affects car > assembly throughout the world, so expect to see less new "greenwash" > vehicles on our streets once the s tockpiles are gone. > > But... before you think that this will boost bicycle sales, Shimano, > the world's leading supplier of bicycle components/parts is Japanese. > Although based in Osaka, it is possible that some of their components > are made in the affected region of Japan, and if not, their production > is likely to be affected by the lack of energy. Shimano has such a > massive market share that we are likely to see changes in the bicycle > market over the next months. > > What is clear is that Japan will not have so much energy for many, > many years as it did before the quake an d tsunami. In all aspects of > life, changes will need to be made to live of what can be produced > safely, though Japan is "blessed" with the possibility of much > geothermal energy. If Japan redesigns itself as it did intercity rail > in the 1960's we could see some fascination innovations. > Interestingly, the Maglev train might be part of the solutions, > apparently requiring less energy to run than trains on rails and this > summer, the trains will not be "ice-cold". People will be moving much > more in high humidity without air-conditioning. > > Trains, cars, the fishing fleet that provides so much food to the > nation, famous neon signs, escalators, moving walkways, the levels of > electrical gadgetry are all affected (phones, heated toilet seat s, > etc.) and levels of air-conditioning are all affected. Even in 2003 > Japanese office workers were being asked to turn off their > air-conditioning as Japan did not have enough energy to run everything > people had purchased and wished to use. Even in 2003, Japanese people > believed Japanese nuclear power plants were dangerous and they had a > poor reputation for safety and had tried to cover up a number of > incidents... though a sloppy UK newspaper has only found concerns from > 2008. > > As we witnessed in Christchurch when a newly discovered fault > destroyed that once beautiful city we do not know much about this > planet. Hopefully the Japanese will take into account what we don't > know and what we don't know we don't know when rebuilding their > infrastructu res and systems. > > *The one thing that is clear is that the streets of Japan will be very > different following the recent events and we may be able to learn many > things from them. * > > *Sent:*Wednesday, 16 March, 2011 12:37 > *To:* sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org; NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [NewMobilityCafe] "Everything's different" > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender > > | Reply to group > > | Reply via web post > > | Start a New Topic > > > Messages in this topic > > (1) > Recent Activity: > > Visit Your Group > > > Check in here via homepage at http://www.citybike.newmobility.org > To post message to group: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com > Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole > (Might it be that your note is best sent to one person?) > Yahoo! Groups > > > Switch to: Text-Only > , > Daily Digest > > . Unsubscribe > > . Terms of Use > . > > __,_._,___ -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From bruun at seas.upenn.edu Thu Mar 17 10:53:36 2011 From: bruun at seas.upenn.edu (bruun at seas.upenn.edu) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:53:36 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <20110316215336.76343jc5dgdka0m8@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Mr. Pardo I don't think I ever said anything about a "perfect" solution. Every analysis is about tradeoffs. My understanding of cities like Sao Paulo is that both bus and metro modes are overloaded. To expand BRT requires taking space from cars, which means a fight with the affluent and powerful all too often. In the meantime, things just get worse. In many places, there just isn't the space at all without taking away housing. This is even harder yet and more unjust than taking space from cars. I certainly don't dispute that there might be corruption in the promotion of rail projects, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the concept of building a metro is bad. In most of our bigger cities, more BRT and metro lines are needed. It isn't always one or the other.It really depends on the particular situation. Eric Bruun Quoting Carlosfelipe Pardo : > Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical > reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No matter > what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor > them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is > the perfect solution. > > Carlosfelipe Pardo. > > On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: > >> >> Pardo >> >> So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they >> serve a useful purpose >> but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? >> >> Eric Bruun >> >> Quoting Pardo : >> >> > Adhiraj, >> > >> > You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a >> > factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and >> > people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's >> > transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned >> > metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a >> > flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an >> > elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some >> > citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, >> > I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices >> > of where to spend money. >> > >> > (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) >> > >> > Pardo >> > >> > Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. >> > >> > On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are >> >> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment >> >> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare >> is >> >> absent? My answer is NO. >> >> >> >> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married >> to >> >> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our >> faculties >> >> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious >> >> frontal lobe? >> >> >> >> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing >> >> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of >> >> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we >> respond >> >> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic >> >> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to >> get >> >> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport >> >> system. >> >> >> >> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt >> ideas >> >> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. >> Businesses >> >> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an >> >> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why >> >> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of >> such >> >> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to >> >> describe above. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> Adhiraj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. >> >>> >> >>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone >> which >> >>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts >> talking >> >>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK >> and >> >>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, >> >>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are >> also >> >>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism >> >>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come >> from >> >>> the >> >>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do >> so). I >> >>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are >> not >> >>> doing enough in this area. >> >>> >> >>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I >> >>> think >> >>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on >> the >> >>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater >> use >> >>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with >> substantial >> >>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a >> >>> favourable >> >>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City >> Mobility >> >>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and >> >>> cities >> >>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This >> is >> >>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. >> >>> >> >>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and >> >>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that >> >>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may >> >>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 >> years >> >>> back. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Sujit >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi > >>>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, >> I >> >>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable >> transport >> >>> - >> >>>> might be a bit naive. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual >> >>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National >> >>> Urban >> >>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy >> (JNNURM >> >>> now >> >>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility >> plans >> >>> - >> >>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like >> building >> >>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Rutul >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ________________________________ >> >>>> From: Cornie Huizenga >> >>>> To: eric britton >> >>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < >> >>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike >> >>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' >> >>>> >> >>>> Eric, >> >>>> >> >>>> I fully agree! >> >>>> >> >>>> Cornie >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < >> eric.britton@ecoplan.org >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> >>> real >> >>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ================================================================ >> >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> >>> countries >> >>>>> (the 'Global South'). >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Cornie Huizenga >> >>>> Joint Convener >> >>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >> >>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >> >>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >> >>>> www.slocat.net >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> real >> >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >>>> >> >>>> ================================================================ >> >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries >> >>>> (the 'Global South'). >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> real >> >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >>>> >> >>>> ================================================================ >> >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries >> >>>> (the 'Global South'). >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment >> >>> to destroy the city?* >> >>> >> >>> Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel >> >>> Munich 1970 >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> Sujit Patwardhan >> >>> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >> >>> sujit@parisar.org >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India >> >>> Tel: +91 20 25537955 >> >>> Cell: +91 98220 26627 >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> Parisar: www.parisar.org >> >>> >> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >>> >> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> real >> >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >>> >> >>> ================================================================ >> >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries >> >>> (the 'Global South'). >> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> >> real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> >> >> ================================================================ >> >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> >> countries (the 'Global South'). >> > -------------------------------------------------------- >> > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------- >> > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >> > real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> > >> > ================================================================ >> > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> > countries (the 'Global South'). >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >> (the 'Global South'). >> > From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 11:08:07 2011 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Pardo) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:08:07 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <20110316215336.76343jc5dgdka0m8@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> <20110316215336.76343jc5dgdka0m8@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> Message-ID: <70FA0602-58B8-4884-A5C6-FBA0B82E412F@gmail.com> I think both of our arguments were going the same way: every situation has its own solution, which may involve metro, brt or even other solutions. Sorry if the word "perfect" was misunderstood. I don't think I talked about corruption in my email, so I'm not sure why you're addressing this issue to me. Anyway, good discussion and hopefully it can become more constructive than destructive between everyone involved. Todd, thanks for generating this discussion, even if it started from such a way-off topic. Pardo Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. On 16/03/2011, at 20:53, bruun@seas.upenn.edu wrote: > > > Mr. Pardo > > I don't think I ever said anything about a "perfect" solution. Every > analysis is about tradeoffs. > > My understanding of cities like Sao Paulo is that both bus and metro > modes are overloaded. To expand BRT requires taking space from cars, > which means a fight with the affluent and powerful all too often. In > the meantime, things just get worse. In many places, there just isn't > the space at all without taking away housing. This is even harder yet > and more unjust than taking space from cars. > > I certainly don't dispute that there might be corruption in the > promotion of rail projects, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the > concept of building a metro is bad. > > In most of our bigger cities, more BRT and metro lines are needed. > It isn't always one or the other.It really depends on the particular > situation. > > Eric Bruun > > > Quoting Carlosfelipe Pardo : > >> Nope. It's because you know when to promote metros and do so with technical >> reasons. Compensation is when people just want the metro - period. No matter >> what the needs of the city, they just want something big, shiny. You favor >> them because you have analyzed a situation and have found that a metro is >> the perfect solution. >> >> Carlosfelipe Pardo. >> >> On 15 March 2011 15:10, wrote: >> >>> >>> Pardo >>> >>> So the reason I sometimes favor metros isn't because I think that they >>> serve a useful purpose >>> but because I have to compensate for my deficiencies? >>> >>> Eric Bruun >>> >>> Quoting Pardo : >>> >>>> Adhiraj, >>>> >>>> You forgpt to note the importance of Freudian compensation as a >>>> factor in buying big shiny "toys" like expensive metros, and >>>> people's tendency to believe that they will solve everyone's >>>> transport problems (even when they live 10 kms away from the planned >>>> metro line. Of course, it's even worse when they think that a >>>> flyover being built will also solve everything, and even worse an >>>> elevated highway. But, incredibly, the need for compensation in some >>>> citizens and policynakers is stronger than their frontal lobe. Thus, >>>> I would also find a strong link between these ideas and the choices >>>> of where to spend money. >>>> >>>> (and let's not get started about cars and psychoanalysis!) >>>> >>>> Pardo >>>> >>>> Written with my thumbs. Please excuse typos. >>>> >>>> On 15/03/2011, at 4:58, Dr Adhiraj Joglekar >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do not think its off topic. I have always held a view that monies are >>>>> finite and how its used has to be prioritised based on needs assessment >>>>> across sectors. Should money be spent on a metro when basic healthcare >>> is >>>>> absent? My answer is NO. >>>>> >>>>> Is the semantics anti-India? Really depends on whether we remain married >>> to >>>>> history and paranoia thereof. More importantly which part of our >>> faculties >>>>> is at play? Emotive yet primitive survial of fittest brain or conscious >>>>> frontal lobe? >>>>> >>>>> While I risk digressing, its primitive structures rules by prevailing >>>>> emotive background that largely drives individuals and masses. This of >>>>> course affects us as emotions relating probable war run high and we >>> respond >>>>> to fear and anger. But the same structures are taken by hedonistic >>>>> tendencies where posh & big seems better. No wonder how easy it is to >>> get >>>>> masses to align with glamorous metro than a basic bus based transport >>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> Of course there is always the slim chance that conscious but corrupt >>> ideas >>>>> are in play in the most singular, clinical and calculated manner. >>> Businesses >>>>> have to thrive and forces are at play to ensure big spends - metro is an >>>>> example just as the industry that depends on actual or feared wars. Why >>>>> would then any one care if there were footpaths? In fact the lack of >>> such >>>>> basics points to the dance of the psychological dynamic I attempt to >>>>> describe above. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Adhiraj >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 March 2011 08:11, Sujit Patwardhan >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Rutul for your timely intervention on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> My problem with Tom's email is not so much its content but the tone >>> which >>>>>> can be interpreted (I'm sure unjustly) as anti-India. If one starts >>> talking >>>>>> about expenditure on arms I can write volumes on the US and USSR and UK >>> and >>>>>> France and many other countries that could use the money on health, >>>>>> education, the environment and so on... and now China and India are >>> also >>>>>> joining their ranks, but I sincerely believe that bulk of the criticism >>>>>> against Government's spending on the armaments industry should come >>> from >>>>>> the >>>>>> citizens themselves (where citizens have the democratic space to do >>> so). I >>>>>> also admit that as citizens we (all of us, the communists included) are >>> not >>>>>> doing enough in this area. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having said that-- in context of Public Transport and NMT facilities I >>>>>> think >>>>>> all (our) cities have enough money which is presently being spent on >>> the >>>>>> wrong projects ones that will basically facilitate (even fuel) greater >>> use >>>>>> of personal auto vehicles. As Rutul has points out, even with >>> substantial >>>>>> amounts made available under the various urban renewal schemes, a >>>>>> favourable >>>>>> National Urban Transport Policy, insistence on preparation of City >>> Mobility >>>>>> Plans before release of funds from the central Govt to the states and >>>>>> cities >>>>>> etc etc, we see PT and NMT schemes conspicuous by their absence. This >>> is >>>>>> also being pointed out by many NGOs and independent experts. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel the reason for this is the absence of proper monitoring and >>>>>> regulatory systems that need to be in place. There is evidence that >>>>>> presently this is being formulated by the central government and it may >>>>>> start functioning soon. However this should have been done at least 5 >>> years >>>>>> back. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sujit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Rutul Joshi >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why Off-topic? Would anyone care to explain? (Before anyone label me, >>> I >>>>>>> must add that I am an Indian but not a communist) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, this view - money for weapons but not for sustainable >>> transport >>>>>> - >>>>>>> might be a bit naive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a lot of money with cities, states etc (400 million $ annual >>>>>>> budget of a 5 million plus city). There is a policy in place (National >>>>>> Urban >>>>>>> Transport Policy)... there is a program to implement this policy >>> (JNNURM >>>>>> now >>>>>>> 'new' 'improved' JnNRUM)...there are plans (comprehensive mobility >>> plans >>>>>> - >>>>>>> CMPs) then why is it so that even straight-forward projects like >>> building >>>>>>> footpaths everywhere do not take off? Would anyone care to explain? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rutul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>>> From: Cornie Huizenga >>>>>>> To: eric britton >>>>>>> Cc: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport < >>>>>>> sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 6:40 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike >>>>>>> infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I fully agree! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cornie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 4:11 AM, eric britton < >>> eric.britton@ecoplan.org >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are off topic Todd. Please. Eric Britton >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>>>>> real >>>>>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>>>>> countries >>>>>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Cornie Huizenga >>>>>>> Joint Convener >>>>>>> Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport >>>>>>> Mobile: +86 13901949332 >>>>>>> cornie.huizenga@slocatpartnership.org >>>>>>> www.slocat.net >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>> real >>>>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries >>>>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>> real >>>>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries >>>>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> *?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment >>>>>> to destroy the city?* >>>>>> >>>>>> Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel >>>>>> Munich 1970 >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Sujit Patwardhan >>>>>> patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com >>>>>> sujit@parisar.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India >>>>>> Tel: +91 20 25537955 >>>>>> Cell: +91 98220 26627 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> Parisar: www.parisar.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>> real >>>>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>>> >>>>>> ================================================================ >>>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>> countries >>>>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>>>> real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>>> >>>>> ================================================================ >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>>>> countries (the 'Global South'). >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the >>>> real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >>>> countries (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via 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From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Mar 17 12:55:00 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:55:00 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: No money for good PT or walk/bike infastructure?: India 'world's biggest arms buyer' In-Reply-To: <70FA0602-58B8-4884-A5C6-FBA0B82E412F@gmail.com> References: <598445.95205.qm@web137302.mail.in.yahoo.com> <20110315161059.606602pfu88iyvv7@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> <20110316215336.76343jc5dgdka0m8@webmail.seas.upenn.edu> <70FA0602-58B8-4884-A5C6-FBA0B82E412F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D818614.1010403@greenidea.eu> On 03/17/2011 03:08 AM, Pardo wrote: > Todd, thanks for generating this discussion, even if it started from such a way-off topic. A PERSONAL TAKE ON THIS, HOPE YOU DON'T MIND: I AM what some would call "American" and my motivation for posting that "buses or bombs" comment was informed by growing up in the latter days of the American War (what "Americans" call the "Vietnam War") - I was 9 in 1975 - when I was also watching lots of WW2 documentaries which showed among other things lots of bodies being dumped/after being dumped into mass graves, some of whom were my relatives. Around this time at school we had "bake sales" to buy books in my suburban schools, which resulted in brilliant responses such as this one: http://tinyurl.com/6dztkpt. So my comment should have been a question, and this should have been "what makes you safer?". The country of my birth certainly has many areas which are below the typically-understood development level of India and at the same time it is the world's biggest arms seller and owner, both by a large margin. Big countries want something sexy and very, very expensive that is frequently useless -- or is Pakistan or China about to invade? In the former case war mongering seems to be just about generating reasons for politicians being (re-) elected on both sides of the border and in the latter.... China is getting more powerful by other means. My approach to sustainable transport starts with social justice (as with many on this list) so I naturally - and uncomfortably - occasionally mention things like EMBARQ's partner Caterpillar (which sells bulldozers to the Israeli Army that they use for ethnic cleansing) - or Barclays Cycle Hire is funded in part by the eponymous bank that finances the arms industry that makes money from situations which result in not-always-welcome refugees... in London. My comment was about national priorities, and the USA does this really, really badly, to the point where any politician who gets elected as President becomes a war criminal immediately (and they know what they are getting into). What kind of country do you want to live in? It will be a great day when schools, hospitals, libraries, public transport and neighbourhoods get everything they need, and the air force has to sell you (insert your favourite Indian food) in order to buy bombers. - T -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 17 14:25:19 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:25:19 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Mobility, Democracy and Politics: Interview with Monsieur le Maire Message-ID: <018a01cbe463$b6dfda10$249f8e30$@britton@ecoplan.org> MOBILITY, DEMOCRACY AND POLITICS: INTERVIEW WITH MONSIEUR LE MAIRE What's happening on the new mobility scene in France in 2011? Here you have, in French but with good subtitles, an interview by one of the outstanding political innovators in the field of sustainable transport policy and practice in France. Roland Ries is serving his second term as mayor of Strasburg, and at the same time heads up the national transport political group GART . He also, by the way, as a member of the French Senate drafted the law defining carsharing in France, thus opening up a part of the way to more and better carsharing nation-wide. Spend three minutes with this short video to get a feel for what the leading edge in France is thinking and doing about transport in cities. You will quickly see that this is a world-level message. Play it for your mayor and talk to her about it. Read more of this post - http://worldstreets.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/mobility-democracy-and-politics -interview-with-monsieur-le-maire/ From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 17 14:37:40 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:37:40 +0100 Subject: [sustran] A work of art that provokes thought Message-ID: <01a701cbe465$7079a040$516ce0c0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Let me share this thoughtful note from Dave Holladay - on the confluence of the tragic events in Japan, their eventual implications for transport (and cycles, and cycling), and this week's International Cycle Show in Taiwan - http://www.taipeicycle.com.tw/ From: Tramsol@aol.com [mailto:Tramsol@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 16 March, 2011 19:43 To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org Subject: Re: A work of art that provokes thought This really provokes thought it needs to be widely viewed - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY &feature=youtu.be I posted your commentary noting paragraph 7 to those at the Bicycle Trade Fair in Taiwan this week - Japan's position is relevant as barely a year ago the cycle industry around the world shuddered as Taiwan was wracked by storms and production looked to be threatened with a shut down for many weeks, creating massive supply chain problems. This could do so much to get production work back to the places where the products are consumed Dave From vittalkumar_a at yahoo.com Thu Mar 17 20:57:58 2011 From: vittalkumar_a at yahoo.com (Vittal Kumar A.) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Efficient than public transport? Message-ID: <977259.13251.qm@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> SAP India to pay staff for green commute ? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/software-services/SAP-India-to-pay-staff-for-green-commute/articleshow/7726889.cms From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Mar 18 23:51:47 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:51:47 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Anybody out there who loves the English language and wants to lend a hand Message-ID: <02ca01cbe57c$04e20da0$0ea628e0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Anybody out there who loves the English language in all its splendid nuances and who might like to lend a hand with the following? Our friend and colleague Enrico Bonfatti and his team of volunteers are publishing some very interesting articles in our sister publication Nuova Mobilit? ? http://nuovamobilita.org -- in which the cover challenges and innovations from Italian cities and groups, which I am sure the readers of World Streets would do well to know more about. But if the articles are going to be a fast and enjoyable read (always our target) it will be important that they are presented in good clear idiomatic English -- and while Google Translate is useful and a big help as a first step, we think it would be better if some English-loving soul could come in from time to time and help us fine-tune the machine translations for articles. Knowledge of Italian is a help, but more important I would say is a good feel for our topics and a capacity for writing well in English. And if you run into areas of uncertainty , Enrico and I will always be there to help clarify. Should you be even a bit tempted, let me point you to one I believe quite nice example, a short report that appeared in N/M today on an Italian innovational project that combines hitchhiking and ride-sharing. You can see the Italian original at http://nuovamobilita.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/jungo-un-po-car-pooling-un-po- autostop/, and for the rough Google transition - http://translate.google.it/translate?js=n &prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=it&tl=en&u=http://www.nuovamobili ta.wordpress.com Any ideas for us? Grazie Eric Britton and Enrico Bonfatti From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat Mar 19 19:42:29 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:42:29 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Filtered permeability - World Streets In-Reply-To: <004701cbe4c3$cec8c190$bc14a8c0@pcesther> References: <052001cbe337$81c55210$854ff630$@britton@ecoplan.org> <004701cbe4c3$cec8c190$bc14a8c0@pcesther> Message-ID: <021c01cbe622$5fc51860$1f4f4920$@britton@ecoplan.org> We would very much like to do an article on the state of the art of "filtered permeability" for World Streets. IF you are strong n this area or have a contact who is, it would be great to hear from you. Here is how the entry in Wikipedia looked this morning: Filtered permeability Filtered permeability is the concept, supported by organisations such as Sustrans , that networks for walking and cycling should be more permeable than the road network for motor vehicles. This, it is argued will encourage walking and cycling by giving them a more attractive environment free from traffic and a time and convenience advantage over car driving. Evidence for this view comes from European cities such as Freiburg , and its rail suburb Vauban, and Groningen which have achieved high levels of walking and cycling by following similar principles, sometimes described as: "a coarse grain for cars and a fine grain for cyclists and pedestrians".[5] Filtered permeability requires cyclists, pedestrians (and sometimes public transport) to be separated from private motor vehicles in some places, although it can be combined with shared space solutions, elsewhere in the same town or city. This is the case in some Dutch towns such as Drachten . The principle of filtered permeability was endorsed for the first time in British Government guidance for the eco-towns programme in 2008[6] and later that year by an alliance of 70 organisations concerned with public health, planning and transport in their policy declaration: Take Action on Active Travel.[7] A parallel debate has been occurring in North America, where researchers have proposed and applied the Fused Grid , an urban street network pattern which follows the principles of filtered permeability, to address perceived shortcomings of both the 'traditional' grid and more recent suburban street layouts. A study conducted in Washington State[8] found that the fused grid was associated with significantly higher levels of walking than the other two alternatives. A recent comparison of seven neighbourhood layouts found a 43 and 32 percent increase in walking with respect to a conventional suburban and the traditional grid in a Fused Grid layout, which has greater permeability for pedestrians than for cars due to its inclusion of pedestrian-only paths (filtering). It also showed a 7 to 10 percent range of reduction in driving with respect to the remainder six neighbourhood layouts in the set. [9] Thank you. Eric Britton - - - > Would you like to support World Streets? If so please click here. Read World Streets at http://worldstreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here India Streets ? is on-line at http://IndiaStreets.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here Nuova Mobilit? - http://nuovamobilita.org | To subscribe to weekly edition: Click here New Mobility Partnerships ? http://www.newmobility.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My colleagues at World Streets, India Streets and our informal but not inefficient World City Cycle group - www.WorldStreets.org , www.IndiaStreets.org, www.worldcitybike.org respectively -- want to congratulate you all on your excellent concept of seeing how you can design, pull together and demonstrate a Simple Technology approach to bicycle sharing in Bangalore. It is my personal view that you are taking the problem/opportunity from the right end (sadly not all that often the case with PBS projects), and I am confident that if you work on this carefully enough something very useful is going to come out of it. I truly believe that the Simple Technology approach is a great way to get into this challenge, and in fact some of us have been talking about it in an Indian context for more than a year now. We have come up with some ideas on exactly this topic that we would be pleased to share with you. And there are also teams working on this approach in Pune, Mumbai and possibly other places in your great country. I am sure that if you put your heads together with all these teams splendid results will follow -- and I want you to know that our team at India Streets will be more than glad to lend a hand in getting the word out and drawing this to the attention of the public authorities and the general public. We have found that, in addition to all the talking, thinking, and writing that we do in an attempt to better understand what might be good next steps in any given case, it is always a good idea to go our onto the streets of the city and take lots of pictures (and videos) of exactly what is happening, good, bad and indifferent. As an example, you may have some fun with a first set of street photographs from around the world that we are collecting here and sharing them with all who are interested - you can find the latest collocations at http://tinyurl.com/ws-slides Finally, here is a thought for you. What if you go out onto the streets of Bangalore and click, say, one hundred photos of bicycles and bicycle people on the streets in the city. Including the bike shops and repair and rental points, including the men sitting on the side of the street who are there to repair your tires or other mechanical problems you may have. I am sure that we would all learn a lot about problems, what works, what doesn't, who the actors are, etc. from these images. With great good luck and all the best for your fine initiative, Eric Britton +331 7550 3788 . eric.britton@newmobility.org . Skype newmobility From: Murali H. R. [mailto:murali@gubbilabs.in] Sent: Sunday, 20 March, 2011 08:22 To: eric britton Cc: Sudhira HS; Pradeep B. V. Subject: Experimenting Public Bike Sharing In India Dear Sir, This is Murali from Bangalore. We have started to work on a Public Bicycle Sharing System in India at the university of bangalore. Sir, We would like to have a quick review /strategy of our work so that we can get your precious advice and share our ideas with you. To summarize : 1. We would like to build a platform for bike sharing , so that it can be used anywhere in the Indian City. 2. Run the experiment on a small scale and resolve all the processes - like renting/financing/insurance etc. 3. Train/Develop people and help them set up similar things across other cities. please do visit our site. http://www.nammacycle.in/ Let us know when we can chat ? thanks murali From edelman at greenidea.eu Mon Mar 21 15:32:30 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:32:30 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Velo-city "in" Sevilla: Introducing the online poster and abstract exhibition!!! Message-ID: <4D86F0FE.5090302@greenidea.eu> Velo-city "in" Sevilla: Introducing the online poster and abstract exhibition!!! http://greenideafactory.blogspot.com/2011/03/velo-city-in-sevilla-introducing-online.html Do you miss the poster exhibition at Velo-city? Through 2007 Munich (or 2009 Brussels ?), Velo-city had a poster exhibition which served as a way to promote solutions, concepts, views and results which - for reasons of not being quite compelling enough and/or space limits, among others - could not be in the main programme of presentations and workshops. There were also comments to ECF staff that the poster sessions - a time to interact with poster-makers - were too rushed or chaotic, making it difficult for poster presenters to effectively communicate the content in their posters. In summer 2010 there was a decision to not have a poster exhibition in Sevilla. While it is clear that the new and improved format of plenaries, presentations, question workshops, and round tables formally introduces a lot of new interactivity to sessions, it is also clear that a lot of good, controversial and/or perhaps not quite fully-formed proposals (abstracts) did not make it into the programme. Another advantage to a poster exhibition - more specifically, one which would include abstracts both accepted and not, and there were over 250 submitted for Sevilla but only about 100 accepted - would be that it could serve as way to "be in two places at the same time", i.e. to not have to be forced to choose between two sessions running simultaneously: You could attend one in person and then later on visit the poster exhibition of the other. Similarly, this would also able one to use a poster as a preview for a session happening later in the day or the week. I proposed the above to Velo-city organizers (at ECF and in Sevilla, and also to ECF board members) but it was rejected, first as a Velo-city event and then as an independent one (with some cooperation from organizers to obtain contact info for people who sent in abstracts). (I have also proposed this for future Velo-city's, but have not yet received a response and to the newly-forming Cycling Embassy of the Netherlands, just for Sevilla, but never heard back...) Therefore I am happy to announce that I will co-ordinate a online poster and abstract exhibition! For both rejected and accepted abstracts! It is very simple: Starting now (and running indefinitely) I will accept PDFs and JPEGs of both posters you would like to make or just the same accepted or rejected abstract you sent to the Velo-city organizers earlier this year. Read carefully: Starting this Tuesday 22 March, and updated daily until the end of the month, I will post a link for these on my blog. Include a very short summary, and I will include it on my blog along with the link. These will be viewable as downloads from a virtual hard drive, probably Dropbox. Alternatively, you may just send a link (and a summary) to your website if you prefer to post it or have it downloadable there. The only abstracts or posters which will be rejected are those which are blatantly offensive for any reason. I will post everything automatically but people who offended me will be able to to appeal. All final decisions are mine and I take no responsibility for anything I will choose to post. The views expressed in the linked abstracts and poster are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect my views. Please send abstracts and posters as PDFs or JPEGs (ideally smaller file sizes, please!) to edelman(at)greenidea.eu. If you would like to make a financial contribution for this or have any other suggestions, questions or offers of assistance, please let me know. See you in virtual Sevilla! (I will not be there.) (Velo-city is a project of ECF and has nothing to do with this exhibition... at least not yet.) -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory/Slow Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From info at cleanairinstitute.org Tue Mar 22 02:40:03 2011 From: info at cleanairinstitute.org (Clean Air Institute) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:40:03 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Conference on Sustainable Transport, Air Quality and Climate Change for Latin America and the Caribbean Message-ID: <8bae9d6371ef8adb966542ce084f8e0a84e.20110321173907@mail30.us2.mcsv.net> Email not displaying correctly? [1]View it in your browser. 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Message-ID: <4D89A553.1020108@greenidea.eu> *Don't we want honest labeling on bicycle helmets?* Full post with image at: http://greenideafactory.blogspot.com/2011/03/dont-we-want-honest-labels-on-helmets.html Bike helmets are getting more colourful these days. Perhaps they are also better designed, but the fact remains that they are not designed for typical crashes between a cyclist and a motor vehicle when the latter is operating at typical speeds (above 30 km/h or 20 mph). They are tested to simulate a cyclist falling without the involvement of a motor vehicle, and very slowly, at less than 15 mph. I would bet, however, than most bike helmet users do think they are tested and make a big difference in a crash with a car. It is clear that helmet producers are not interested in pro-actively communicating information about this design limitation to their customers. I am pro-choice on helmets, for helmet freedom, and if wearing a helmet gets you on a bike that's great, but correct information is just as important as subjective safety. If you are interested in helping research what helmet users really think, and pressuring the helmet producers to help create more honest labeling and marketing, please comment here or write me at edelman(at)greenidea.eu. *** For more information on bicycle helmets see the website of the Bicycle Helmet Research Foundation, http://www.cyclehelmets.org/ To join the Facebook (Fan) Page "No Mandatory Bike Helmets at Velo-city Global 2012 in Vancouver" click on https://www.facebook.com/pages/No-mandatory-bike-helmets-at-Velo-city-Global-2012-in-Vancouver/165806686776077?ref=ts You are free to download this image, print and distribute. You may also download a smaller PDF (should print okay in A4 or 8.5 x 11 with white borders) at this link: http://db.tt/bnRf266 -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory/Slow Factory Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman(at)greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany From sutp at sutp.org Wed Mar 23 20:55:10 2011 From: sutp at sutp.org (SUTP Team) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:25:10 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Bridging the Gap Side Event on Transport NAMAs in Bangkok, Thailand Message-ID: The Bridging the Gap initiative organizes a parallel event to the AWG-KP 16 and AWG-LCA 14 pre-sessional workshops in Bangkok, Thailand, on the topic "Transport NAMAs - first ideas!". Ideas and options for NAMAs will be discussed on Wednesday, 6th April 2011, from 6pm to 8pm at the Royal Princess Larn Luang Hotel, only a short walk from the UN building where countries negotiate next steps after the Cancun agreements. More information: http://www.transport2012.org/bridging/ressources/documents/2/1317,April2011-BtG-event_agenda_190311.pdf ------------------------------- SUTP Team sutp[at]sutp.org From hghazali at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 15:07:02 2011 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:07:02 +0500 Subject: [sustran] Op ed column: Lost Years of Pakistan Message-ID: Please find below the link to my op-ed column which was published in Pakistan Today on Mar 24th 2011 http://epaper.pakistantoday.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2011-03-24/page-13/detail-2 Regards, Hassaan From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Mar 24 15:24:14 2011 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (eric britton) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:24:14 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Clean Air Network / Clean Arts Network In-Reply-To: References: <4429634630885140882@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <013301cbe9ec$23725440$6a56fcc0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Campaign to Fight Air Pollution in Hong Kong Gets Visual By BETTINA WASSENER Published: March 21, 2011 - http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/business/global/22pollute.html?_r=1 &ref=global HONG KONG ? A leading anti-pollution campaign group in Hong Kong is deploying a new weapon in the fight for clean air in this Asian financial hub: art. A pair of gray lungs standing 83 centimeters, or 32 inches, tall, crafted by the Chinese artist Ma Han. Enlisting the support of 40 artists and the auction house Sotheby ?s, the Clean Air Network has organized an auction of 51 environment-inspired works of modern art in what it says is the first awareness and fund-raising event of its kind. Most of the pieces went on display Monday in the upscale International Finance Center shopping mall in Hong Kong?s financial district, where they will remain until March 27. They will go under the Sotheby?s hammer April 4, where they will form part of the auction house?s twice-yearly sale of contemporary Asian art . Many of the artists, who include well-known names from Hong Kong and elsewhere, created works especially for the event, donating them to the Clean Air Network?s fight against pollution. BSI Investment Advisors, which is part of the Italian insurance giant Generali, donated two more works by the photographer and video artist Jiang Zhi, each estimated by Sotheby?s to be worth as much as 70,000 Hong Kong dollars, or nearly $9,000. The artworks include sculptures, paintings and photographs. But all illustrate environmental issues and problems, like smog, waste, climate change and the destruction of natural habitats. Perhaps the most striking work is a pair of gray lungs standing 83 centimeters, or 32 inches, tall, crafted by the Chinese artist Ma Han. Made of fiberglass, rice and car paint, illuminated and covered with tiny human figures, the piece could fetch as much as 150,000 dollars, Sotheby?s estimates. If Sotheby?s estimates are realized, the 51 works could raise more than 1.9 million dollars in total. All this, and the fact that Sotheby?s is offering its auction expertise free, highlights the serious support that the campaign for clean air is getting from increasingly high-profile names in the city. The Clean Air Network has tried imaginative approaches to campaigning before, including a spoof infomercial featuring the heartthrob Hong Kong actor Daniel Wu selling canisters of ?fresh air,? which became an instant hit among YouTube users in Hong Kong. Now, the group is roping modern art into its cause. ?The auction is not just an elite exercise for opinion leaders but a new way to approach the general public,? said Joanne Ooi, chief executive of the Clean Air Network. ?Art is undoubtedly less daunting and more appealing than activism. On top of that, such a public show of support by well-known corporate partners Sotheby?s and BSI will definitely mainstream the clean air issue.? Kevin Ching, chief executive of Sotheby?s Asia, said the auction house had decided to support the event because of the deteriorating air quality Hong Kong has seen over the past few decades. Pollution levels in some mainland Chinese cities, including Beijing and Shanghai, are thought to be even worse than in this city of seven million. But the air in Hong Kong is bad enough now to persuade some people to leave for cleaner places and to risk hurting Hong Kong?s reputation as one of Asia?s most advanced cities. The American Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong has cautioned for years that the poor air quality is making it hard to persuade some expatriates, especially those with children, to move to or stay in Hong Kong. A series of surveys by recruitment and relocation advisers has backed up this point. Last July, Hong Kong?s medical profession added its voice with an urgent appeal to the government to do more about the poor air quality. The ?Clean Air Auction? display at the International Finance Center mall comes exactly a year after pollution levels in Hong Kong went off the scale, streaking past the upper end of a 500-point government air pollution index. A sandstorm sweeping in from mainland China was largely responsible for the heavy pollution last spring, and smog blowing in from the industrial zone in the nearby Pearl River Delta is blamed for much of Hong Kong?s pollution. But campaigners, scientists and many ordinary residents argue that the authorities could ? and should ? do more to contain air pollution generated within Hong Kong itself. On Monday afternoon, roadside measuring stations in the central financial district showed a reading of 64. That may seem low compared with the 500-plus levels last March ? but even 64 is defined as ?high? by the city?s environment department. Outdated trucks and buses generate as much as 90 percent of roadside pollution and help make Hong Kong?s air three times as bad as that of New York and twice as bad as that of London, the Clean Air Network contends. And a recent study by the University of Hong Kong linked the city?s poor air quality to hundreds of deaths a year. William Furniss, a photographer from London who has lived in Hong Kong since 1993, said Monday that there were only a few days in the year now when the air in Hong Kong is clear enough for professional photography. His flame-and-skyline image, created especially for the auction, could raise 25,000 dollars, according to Sotheby?s estimates. ?We have to make people much more aware of this problem,? said Lam Tung Pang, a Hong Kong artist whose paint-and-fabric image of a sad-looking polar bear was estimated to fetch as much as 75,000 dollars at the auction. 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Respondents were from China (Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou, Wuhan), Hong Kong, Malaysia (Kuala Lumpur), Thailand (Bangkok) and the Philippines (Manila). Results from this survey are available here ( http://www.synovate.com/news/article/extra/20050121/Air%20Pollution%20HK.pdf ). Seven years has passed since this survey and with permission from Synovate Ltd., CAI-Asia is re-introducing the survey to know what are people's opinion and attitude towards air pollution now. We would like to invite you to participate in this survey! Completing the survey will take no more than 5 minutes of your time. All answers will remain entirely anonymous. To participate, please go to: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/airpollutionperceptionsurvey Kindly complete the survey by *18 April 2011 (Monday).* Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions or need further clarification. We appreciate your time! -- Cheers Kaye Maria Katherina Patdu *Air Quality Researcher * *Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia Center) Center* T +63 2 395 2843 to 45 | F +63 2 395 2846 | M +63 927 441 5692 | kaye.patdu@cai-asia.org Unit 3504-05, 35F, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, ADB Avenue, Pasig City, 1605, Philippines Visit our new portal: http://cleanairinitiative.org/portal/ *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Mar 24 22:24:33 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:24:33 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Privately-funded Indian Rapid Metro Operational by 2013 Message-ID: <4D8B4611.2070100@greenidea.eu> http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news114044.html India's first privately funded Metro project, the Gurgaon's Rapid Metro, will be open to the public from January 2013. The metro will link the existing Sikanderpur station with DLF-3 and will have five three-coach trains in the initial stage. The new trains will be air-conditioned aluminium coaches, which can cope with more than 50?C with a scroll compressor system installed in the air conditioners of the coaches. The trains can accommodate 1,000 passengers and are designed to operate at a maximum speed of 80km/hr. CCTV cameras will be installed inside and outside the coaches to enable the drivers to see the entry and exit of passengers. Rapid metro Rail Gurgaon, executer of the project, has started the construction on the 5km line and placed orders for 15 coaches from Siemens. Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From edelman at greenidea.eu Fri Mar 25 02:03:40 2011 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:03:40 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Seville: "Great is the enemy of good" Message-ID: <4D8B796C.1040505@greenidea.eu> *Seville: "Great is the enemy of good"* Please see http://greenideafactory.blogspot.com/2011/03/seville-great-is-enemy-of-good.html to make comments and see photo and links. The People for Bikes website has a nice, short article about the recent very rapid increase in cycling mode share in Seville, Andalusia (Spain), location of the Velo-city cycling conference which ends tomorrow. The separated cycling infrastructure - Seville was awarded the UN Habitat Best Practice Award for it's creation - was cited as the main reason for this. I am curious about this excerpt: /"Great is the enemy of good." The city's infrastructure emphasizes network connectivity, not perfection. It's far from the polished bikeways of Northern Europe, but the protected bikeways of Seville are safe, convenient and get you where you need to go without interruption. / First of all, I am happy to find out that most bike space was taken from car space. But I don't understand how bike space taken from pedestrian space can be compensated elsewhere. After all, it's not like carbon and e.g. trees -- and how do pedestrians move in these spaces after losing space? Of course it is just political. What is the lack of "perfection"? I would guess that the writer from People for Bikes was referring to what a Catalonian mobility consultant told me about: The two-way paths such as the one in the photo above - and this seems to be the most common design - which are narrow (two wider cargo/child-carrying bikes passing would need to veer into other space if available and of course if people are allowed to/want to ride side-by-side it is dangerous and/or illegal and one would constantly need to accelerate in front of or drop behind their travel partner.) Certainly this lack of perfection - and conditions are certainly not perfect in many Northern European towns or even the best of them - is less important if unwarranted by the great but still low 7% mode share - but what if demand increases further? Will there be enough pressure to, for example, make double lanes single and a counterpart added to the other side of the street? The example photo in the linked article has a two-way on a one-way street which looks a 3- or 4-lane motorized traffic canal with parking removed on one side for the bike stuff. And regarding "without interruption" I would like to see an example of major crossroads. Hopefully some colleagues and others who are there can fill us in. Last but certainly not least, do the citizens of Seville deserve less than people in Amsterdam, Copenhagen etc. ? Certainly not, and regarding budgets and politics the very important question that needs to be made is if infrastructure for motor vehicles is just as far from perfection there. From what I have read and heard there are other great things which help make Seville great. It is certainly always a bit nicer to cycle in the sunshine with a good meal (e.g. wine and rice pudding) at the end of your journey. -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! From kaye.patdu at cai-asia.org Fri Mar 25 19:21:31 2011 From: kaye.patdu at cai-asia.org (Kaye Patdu) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:21:31 +0800 Subject: [sustran] New Publication: Managing Two and Three Wheelers in Asia Message-ID: Dear Sustran members We would like to share with you a new publication by CAI-Asia and UNEP-PCFV. ****** MANILA, 24 March 2011 ? The substantial increase of two and three wheelers in the Asian region needs to be addressed. In some Asian countries like India and Indonesia, two and three wheelers (motorbikes, bikes, e-bikes and auto-rickshaws) are even expected to outpace the growth of cars. This trend creates a potential risk as more people prefer private individual travel than public transport. The UNEP Partnership for Clean Fuels and Vehicles (PCFV) and Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) Center jointly prepared a publication to help inform Asian policy makers on the options for addressing emissions from 2-3 wheelers and including them in future transport planning. Entitled Managing Two and Three Wheelers in Asia, this report analyzes the social and environmental impacts of motorized two and three-wheelers and provides an array of tailpipe and non-tailpipe measures to curb these. *Download a full copy of the report here. * -- About UNEP PCFV The Partnership for Clean Fuels and Vehicles (PCFV) was launched in September 2002 at the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg, South Africa. The PCFV is helping reduce vehicular air pollution in developing and transition countries through the promotion of clean fuels and vehicles. For more information about the PCFV, please visit www.unep.org/pcfv. About CAI-Asia The Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia) promotes better air quality and livable cities by translating knowledge to policies and actions that reduce air pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from transport, energy and other sectors. CAI-Asia is located in Manila with offices in Beijing and Delhi and Country Networks in Indonesia, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Sri Lanka, and Vietnam. CAI-Asia is a registered UN Type II Partnership with more than 200 organizational members. It was established in 2001 by ADB, the World Bank and USAID as part of a global initiative that also includes Latin America and Sub Saharan Africa. Individuals can join CAI-Asia by registering at the Clean Air Portal (www.cleanairinitiative.org) and joining our Communities of Practice. Organizations can join the CAI-Asia Partnership or support our activities by becoming a CAI-Asia Center member. For media queries, please contact center@cai-asia.org. -- Cheers Kaye Maria Katherina Patdu *Air Quality Researcher * *Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities (CAI-Asia Center) Center* T +63 2 395 2843 to 45 | F +63 2 395 2846 | M +63 927 441 5692 | kaye.patdu@cai-asia.org Unit 3504-05, 35F, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, ADB Avenue, Pasig City, 1605, Philippines Visit our new portal: http://cleanairinitiative.org/portal/ *Please consider the environment before printing this email.* From dazzle_dwds at yahoo.com Sat Mar 26 23:26:55 2011 From: dazzle_dwds at yahoo.com (Roselle Leah K. Rivera) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [sustran] Women Bus Drivers in the Philippines Message-ID: <535701.71055.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> "bus companies which hire them will be exempted from the number coding scheme...." http://www.gmanews.tv/story/215216/nation/13-lady-bus-drivers-graduate-from-training .....and given the context of the bigger picture of unemployment and underemployment in many?developing countries?like the Philippines, women who are ?electrical engineers?and ?registered nurses.. ?get to work as drivers of public transportation instead! http://www.gmanews.tv/story/213530/nation/mmda-to-deploy-1st-batch-of-female-bus-drivers-in-march ? ROSELLE LEAH K RIVERA Faculty Department of Women and Development Studies College of Social Work and Community Development University of the Philippines Diliman Quezon City PHILIPPINES --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Todd Edelman wrote: From: Todd Edelman Subject: [sustran] Seville: "Great is the enemy of good" To: WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com, "'Sustran List'" Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 6:03 PM *Seville: "Great is the enemy of good"* Please see http://greenideafactory.blogspot.com/2011/03/seville-great-is-enemy-of-good.html to make comments and see photo and links. The People for Bikes website has a nice, short article about the recent very rapid increase in cycling mode share in Seville, Andalusia (Spain), location of the Velo-city cycling conference which ends tomorrow. The separated cycling infrastructure - Seville was awarded the UN Habitat Best Practice Award for it's creation - was cited as the main reason for this. I am curious about this excerpt: /"Great is the enemy of good." The city's infrastructure emphasizes network connectivity, not perfection. It's far from the polished bikeways of Northern Europe, but the protected bikeways of Seville are safe, convenient and get you where you need to go without interruption. / First of all, I am happy to find out that most bike space was taken from car space. But I don't understand how bike space taken from pedestrian space can be compensated elsewhere. After all, it's not like carbon and e.g. trees -- and how do pedestrians move in these spaces after losing space? Of course it is just political. What is the lack of "perfection"? I would guess that the writer from People for Bikes was referring to what a Catalonian mobility consultant told me about: The two-way paths such as the one in the photo above - and this seems to be the most common design - which are narrow (two wider cargo/child-carrying bikes passing would need to veer into other space if available and of course if people are allowed to/want to ride side-by-side it is dangerous and/or illegal and one would constantly need to accelerate in front of or drop behind their travel partner.) Certainly this lack of perfection - and conditions are certainly not perfect in many Northern European towns or even the best of them - is less important if unwarranted by the great but still low 7% mode share - but what if demand increases further? Will there be enough pressure to, for example, make double lanes single and a counterpart added to the other side of the street? The example photo in the linked article has a two-way on a one-way street which looks a 3- or 4-lane motorized traffic canal with parking removed on one side for the bike stuff. And regarding "without interruption" I would like to see an example of major crossroads. Hopefully some colleagues and others who are there can fill us in. Last but certainly not least, do the citizens of Seville deserve less than people in Amsterdam, Copenhagen etc. ? Certainly not, and regarding budgets and politics the very important question that needs to be made is if infrastructure for motor vehicles is just as far from perfection there. From what I have read and heard there are other great things which help make Seville great. It is certainly always a bit nicer to cycle in the sunshine with a good meal (e.g. wine and rice pudding) at the end of your journey. -- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory, a member of the OPENbike team Mobile: ++49(0)162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu todd@openbike.se www.openbike.se Skype: toddedelman Urbanstr. 45 10967 Berlin Germany *** OPENbike - Share the Perfect Fit! -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From hghazali at gmail.com Thu Mar 31 13:38:13 2011 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:38:13 +0500 Subject: [sustran] Op-ed column on Infrastructure Development in Lahore Message-ID: Please find below the link to my op-ed column on the Kalma Chowk Improvement Project which was published in Pakistan Today on March 31, 2011 http://epaper.pakistantoday.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2011-03-31/page-13/detail-2 Hassaan