[sustran] Re: Example of why BRT can be delayed by interest groups

[bruun at seas.upenn.edu]

Brendan

I should have given some additional information:

Wilshire Boulevard has both local and express (Metro Rapid) buses. The latter
stop about every fourth stop and have a better image and faster  
service. But they didn't
have the crucial laterally separated lane (RoW B in Vuchic's  
parlance), which distinguishes
it from the Orange Line, which does.

Metro Rapid services exist or will soon exist in over 20 corridors now  
if I recall correctly. The first
of them go back at least 10 years. The effort to get RoW B has been  
ongoing, but
it probably increased in intensity in the most recent years due to  
worsening congestion,
and due to very pro-active politicians that are really trying hard to  
improve PT.
I wish I could say the same where I live.

Eric Bruun


Quoting Brendan Finn <etts at indigo.ie>:

> Dear all,
>
> I agree on the need to provide realistic guidance, and to be upfront about
> real-world challenges.
>
> That said, I think we should make a very clear distinction between:
>
> - cases of normal process, including full stakeholder consultation and
> even redesign where required
> - cases where institutional, organisational, operator issues need to also
> be resolved and add to the timeline (e.g. operator restructuring/formation
> in Joburg/Cape Town)
> - cases where interest groups significantly drag out the process
>
> It would also be worth examining if there is any material difference in
> timeline between the first and subsequent BRT projects in a country - i.e.
> does the first BRT in a country have to invest time in a 'pipe-cleaning'
> of attitudes, frameworks and processes, which then benefits all subsequent
> projects?
>
> It is not clear from the article about LA sent by Eric Bruun how long the
> process took, and how much delay has been suffered by wrangling and
> stalling tactics. Nonetheless, two things are clear to me:
>
> 1) However long the wrangling takes, once the green light is given the
> bus-based option will be in operation quicker than the rail alternative;
> and
> 2) If the Council will not approve the needed priority on a particular
> section, there will not be any rail-based system there at all, whereas the
> bus can still run in mixed traffic on that section
>
> With best wishes,
>
>
> Brendan.
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>
>
> On 23/06/2011 08:29, "eric britton" <eric.britton at ecoplan.org> wrote:
>
>> Excellent discussion and the idea of a comparative study and analysis
>> would
>> be very timely. Including of course with the specific problems encountered
>> into each time, work-arounds, etc.
>>
>> I think this is very important since there is a lot of sunny talk about
>> the
>> speed with which BRT can be up and going, and we must be able to provide
>> realistic guidance based on achievement on the street.
>>
>> Thanks to all on this,
>>
>> Eric Britton
>>
>>
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