[sustran] Re: Delhi Metro - A Transport Planner's Perspective

[Walter Hook]

interesting discussion.  could the money have been more wisely spent?
probably.  was or is it likely?  not very.  we've had recent good
experiences w/ some of the metro corps around India being quite open to
developing integrated metro/brt systems and i think this approach is showing
some promise.

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:46 AM, ashok datar <datar.ashok at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Delhi is best compared with Beijing. Besides, in Indian context, it is
> important that we must identify cost /benefit in a more comprehensive
> manner
> for alternative mass transportation projects and such an analysis should
> consider the external economies such as effects on environment, low carbon
> life style, affordability to a majority of population and whether it leads
> to a switch from cars to public transportation.
> from these angles, BRTS will come far superior than metro in  most cases
> ashok datar
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:39 AM, V. Setty Pendakur <
> pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
> > A realistic comparison would be Shanghai and Beijing.  Washington, DC
> does
> > not have the same catchment area population and neither are car ownership
> > rates comparable.
> >
> > Delhi Metro, like several other places, is an empire unto itself and they
> > can afford to get concerned about major issues such as land use or
> > solvency.
> > --
> >
> > Best wishes; Setty
> >
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> > From: <bruun at seas.upenn.edu>
> > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:48:20 -0500
> > To: <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>, <NewMobilityCafe at yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: Delhi Metro - A Transport Planner's Perspective
> >
> >
> > If a 180 km long network is carrying 1.6 million per day, this can
> > hardly be called a failure. This is over double what the Washington DC
> > regional metro network of the same length carries, and it is crush
> > loaded in parts of the network at rush hours.
> >
> > I am not surprised that the DMRC doesn't cooperate with other
> > organizations. This is always potentially a problem when one creates a
> > new private corporation. But keep in mind that without creating a new
> > corporation it would never have been built. The existing government
> > bureaucracies were incapable of building anything in a timely fashion.
> > So the solution is to restructure the organizational relationships and
> > build different contractual and organizational structures, not throw
> > out the concept of building high capacity systems.
> >
> > Yes, the overhead rights-of-way can be intrusive, but would it be
> > better to build motorways in the sky instead? This is the real choice,
> > not feeding starving Indians. If we were to wait in the US until all
> > poverty was gone before we built decent PT, we would still be waiting.
> > If you can show me a case where the REAL choice is between better
> > healthcare, food, or education instead of better transport, I will
> > agree that the PT should be postponed.
> >
> > Eric Bruun
> >
> >
> > Quoting Faizan Jawed <phaizan at gmail.com>:
> >
> > >    <http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/author/phaizan/>  Delhi Metro -
> A
> > > Transport Planner's
> > >
> > Perspective<
> > http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/delhi-metro-a-transport
> > -planners-perspective/>
> > > *Faizan <http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/author/phaizan/>* | 7
> January
> > > 2011 at 07:37 | Categories:
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> > > http://wp.me/p15YEC-aA
> > >
> > > At a time when the Delhi Government, politicos, media and the
> > middle-class
> > > is raving about Metro Rail as a panacea to all traffic woes in Delhi
> > > (traffic congestion included), an objective assessment of its
> performance
> > > and appropriateness is highly warranted. Built at a cost that could
> > provide
> > > free bus-based public transport, and high quality non-motorized [...]
> > >
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