[sustran] Re: Delhi Metro - A Transport Planner's Perspective

[ashok datar]

Yes, Delhi is best compared with Beijing. Besides, in Indian context, it is
important that we must identify cost /benefit in a more comprehensive manner
for alternative mass transportation projects and such an analysis should
consider the external economies such as effects on environment, low carbon
life style, affordability to a majority of population and whether it leads
to a switch from cars to public transportation.
from these angles, BRTS will come far superior than metro in  most cases
ashok datar


On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:39 AM, V. Setty Pendakur <
pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:

> A realistic comparison would be Shanghai and Beijing.  Washington, DC does
> not have the same catchment area population and neither are car ownership
> rates comparable.
>
> Delhi Metro, like several other places, is an empire unto itself and they
> can afford to get concerned about major issues such as land use or
> solvency.
> --
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> Best wishes; Setty
>
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> From: <bruun at seas.upenn.edu>
> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:48:20 -0500
> To: <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>, <NewMobilityCafe at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Delhi Metro - A Transport Planner's Perspective
>
>
> If a 180 km long network is carrying 1.6 million per day, this can
> hardly be called a failure. This is over double what the Washington DC
> regional metro network of the same length carries, and it is crush
> loaded in parts of the network at rush hours.
>
> I am not surprised that the DMRC doesn't cooperate with other
> organizations. This is always potentially a problem when one creates a
> new private corporation. But keep in mind that without creating a new
> corporation it would never have been built. The existing government
> bureaucracies were incapable of building anything in a timely fashion.
> So the solution is to restructure the organizational relationships and
> build different contractual and organizational structures, not throw
> out the concept of building high capacity systems.
>
> Yes, the overhead rights-of-way can be intrusive, but would it be
> better to build motorways in the sky instead? This is the real choice,
> not feeding starving Indians. If we were to wait in the US until all
> poverty was gone before we built decent PT, we would still be waiting.
> If you can show me a case where the REAL choice is between better
> healthcare, food, or education instead of better transport, I will
> agree that the PT should be postponed.
>
> Eric Bruun
>
>
> Quoting Faizan Jawed <phaizan at gmail.com>:
>
> >    <http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/author/phaizan/>  Delhi Metro - A
> > Transport Planner's
> >
> Perspective<
> http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/2011/01/07/delhi-metro-a-transport
> -planners-perspective/>
> > *Faizan <http://indiastreets.wordpress.com/author/phaizan/>* | 7 January
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> > At a time when the Delhi Government, politicos, media and the
> middle-class
> > is raving about Metro Rail as a panacea to all traffic woes in Delhi
> > (traffic congestion included), an objective assessment of its performance
> > and appropriateness is highly warranted. Built at a cost that could
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