[sustran] Re: Examples of "green" airports?

Pardo carlosfpardo at gmail.com
Fri Aug 19 22:04:33 JST 2011
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Sorry for the sarcasm. What I meant in that brief note was that the question poses a minefield-debate. Yes, a building can generate less emissions and be more "green" and een have staff riding bikes inside (see Frankfurt airport), but the whole nature (and some would say its unintended goal) is to pollute. Though it may sound too militant, it reminds us of the example of Mazda car factory employees who are encouraged to bike to work (a similar initiative is being developed by Chevron in Colombia).

So the actual positive news would be that the airport is no longer needed because people are doing all trips previousl served by airplane now by train, but it is far-fetched to expect that from more than 1% of world airports. Otherwise, how would the overseas attendants to the World Carfee Network conference in mexico in september get there without investing a full month or more arriving sustainably? 

As I said, a minefield. 

Pardo

Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos. 

On 19/08/2011, at 7:37, Sunny Kodukula <sunny.enie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or was the question how to make airports "green" in terms of energy consumption, and resource utilisation. 
> 
> For suggestion made by Carlos, i would recommend seeing at Templehof Airport in Berlin. The airport is closed now and the run way is a great public space now. 
> 
> sunny
> 
> On 19-Aug-2011, at 5:54 PM, Sudhir wrote:
> 
>> I understood the question as  - do you know of good recommendations for
>> reducing emissions from Airports?
>> There can never be something called as Green airport as we don't have green
>> roads ( excluding footpath and bikeways)
>> 
>> SG
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 August 2011 20:18, Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> You should start your search of green airports by finding airports that
>>> have closed.
>>> ought
>>> Pardo
>>> 
>>> Typed on keyboard projected onto a glass surface. Please excuse typos.
>>> 
>>> On 19/08/2011, at 6:43, Pascal van den Noort <operations at velomondial.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Indeed, we are not here to judge, we are here to analyse, encourage and
>>> improve.
>>>> 
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>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 12:53, Dharm Guruswamy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree. I think all airports should take common sense steps to ensure
>>>>> sustainability. These include:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1) Offering recycling
>>>>> 2) Encouraging the use of public transportation
>>>>> 3) Requiring rental car companies and hotels to share shuttle buses
>>>>> instead of running individual shuttle operations
>>>>> 4) Trying to make their terminals and other facilities as "green" as
>>>>> possible
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some have pointed out (correctly) that the planes that fly into airports
>>>>> are polluting and I agree. In addition, aviation forecasts call for
>>>>> growth, but then again do forecasts for the number of automobiles and
>>>>> heavy vehicles (e.g. trucks, buses). Please remember, much of the
>>>>> developing world suffers from exceedingly poor air transportation. For
>>>>> example, my wife missed her connection in Bangkok on the way to Sri
>>>>> Lanka late at night. She was rerouted the next day via Kuala Lumpur and
>>>>> Singapore because the next flight that day didn't leave until the
>>>>> evening. Even though three airlines fly the route two of them (Cathay
>>>>> Pacific and Thai) only fly four times a week and their flights leave
>>>>> within an hour and a half of each other. Sri Lankan flies the route at
>>>>> least daily but when they fly more than daily both flights leave in the
>>>>> evening. This is service linking Colombo the only international airport
>>>>> in a country of 20 million with Bangkok a major metropolitan area. Even
>>>>> in Brazil there are over 1,000 flights a week between Rio and Sao Paolo
>>>>> and in India there are over 800 flights a week between Delhi and Mumbai.
>>>>> My only point is folks don't ding the poor people of the developing
>>>>> world if all they want is to have the air service others in the
>>>>> developing world already enjoy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dharm
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:58 +0200, "Pascal van den Noort"
>>>>> <operations at velomondial.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, as an airport enterprise building they do their best!And so they
>>>>>> should.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However the number of plains they attract obviously polute the whole
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Therefore they can never be Green; at best they will be sustainable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which is a very laudable goal.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Executive Director
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 11:49, krishna gopal wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.newdelhiairport.in/environment.aspx
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Pascal van den Noort <
>>> operations at velomondial.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Schiphol suggests that they want to become be green. However, that
>>> will never be possible; for no airport for that matter. They can become
>>> sustainable, because that comprises economic and socialo elements as well as
>>> environmental. Just green is a limited option that no enterprise should
>>> pursue. There should be a nice balance between economic, social and
>>> envronmental objectives.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pascal J.W. van den Noort
>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>> Velo Mondial, A Micro Multi-National
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 19 aug 2011, at 06:25, GDRC|Hari Srinivas wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dear folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does anyone have good recommendations of airports that have gone
>>> green?
>>>>>>>> Any other info on the topic will also be welcome ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>>>>>> Hari
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dr. Hari Srinivas,
>>>>>>>> Coordinator, Global Development Research Center
>>>>>>>> Kobe, Japan
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