[sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister

Karthik Rao-Cavale krc12353 at gmail.com
Fri Apr 29 07:50:31 JST 2011


Dear Dr. Schipper,

The per mile costs, according to a report by VTC are $50 million for one-way
guideway and $75 million for two-way guideway. The report can be found here.
http://faculty.washington.edu/jbs/itrans/big/PRTfinalreport.pdf

The report suggests that capacity can be as high as 3000 persons per hour
per direction, but 1000 is more realistic.

karthik

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Lee Schipper <schipper at berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Ravi, can you re-express the cost as numbers in
>
> $/person-hour of capacity?
>
> Could be very telling
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> > Dear Sonal,
> >
> > I work with an Urban Transport consultancy in Delhi and also worked on a
> > demand estimation project for PRT in GIFT city, Gujarat, India.  I hope
> > that makes me reasonably qualified to  put forward my understanding of
> the
> > PRT.
> >
> > The peak speed of the POD is about 40 kmph. But when you take the access,
> > egress, waiting  and transfer times, we observed in our study for GIFT
> > city that people have
> > lesser travel time cycling or in many cases even walking. This without
> > even considering the travel cost.
> >
> > Cost of construction of PRT is around Rs 40 crore/km (about USD 8 million
> > per km) and its function is to serve as a feeder mode to Metro/BRT.. The
> > cost of BRT will be Rs 10 crore/km (about USD 8 million per km). Even
> > though the cost for the passenger is fixed at Rs 6/km, the social cost
> > will be higher. So, the feeder mode is going to cost more than the main
> > line.
> >
> > The other point put in favour of the PRT is that it can work in narrow
> > lanes, like the one's being designed for Lucknow. We have narrow lanes
> > in the Old city areas of most of our cities, which were primarily
> > designed for walking. Why would we need to tamper with that for PRT,
> > which is intended for the same purpose i.e. accessing the main PT lines
> > on the arterials.
> >
> > But PRT has good symbolic value. Like Flyovers and Metros, they are there
> > towering in front of everyone and hence can be claimed as an achievement
> > of the government. Might be useful for the next election. Along the way,
> > the contractors and the executing agencies have some work. So, we cant
> > deny that it benefits some people at least.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ravi Gadepalli,
> > i-Trans Pvt. Ltd.,
> > TBIU, IIT Delhi,
> > New Delhi.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 27/4/11, Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds)
> > <Sonal.Ahuja at capita.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds) <Sonal.Ahuja at capita.co.uk>
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister
> > To: alok.priyanka at gmail.com,
> >  aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com
> > Cc: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
> > Date: Wednesday, 27 April, 2011, 10:11 AM
> >
> > Indeed this system, must be seen complimentary, metros don't attract the
> > car users due to interchange and park and ride problems, PRT is seen to
> an
> > effective complementary system that offer cleaner, convenient and more
> > efficient system than riding a car. Its not the only solution but yet
> > another system that city planners and engineers can use to solve the
> > problem of urban congestion and pollution along with promoting walking,
> > cycling and an effective bus system. PRT must be seen a part of effective
> > comprehensive urban transit strategy and not in isolation.
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> > With warm regards,
> > Sonal
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> > Sonal Ahuja
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> > From: Jains [mailto:alok.priyanka at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 05:15 AM
> > To: Aashish Gupta <aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com>
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> > Subject: [sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister
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> > I am surprised that the entire discussion is going towards
> > "substitution" not "complementarity". Delhi already has very ambitious
> > plans for Metros (which are full to the brim - coming from personal
> > experience) and BRT, but there is a strong need to curb private
> > vehicle growth. PRT though tad expensive, could be a perfect feeder
> > system to BRT and Metros and for intra-zonal short-distance travel.
> >
> > Reporting from Delhi.
> > Alok Jain
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Aashish Gupta <aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> And Rs 6 per Kilometer is just so expensive! And thats assuming that the
> >> claim of Rs 6 per kilometer will stay.
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