[sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister

[Visweswar]

The real big question is does Delhi and India need such capital intensive
low capacity fancy systems when we can achieve much much higher capacities
through proper planning of the conventional Public transport systems like
the BRT. If these investments are spent on improving existing infrastructure
and roads it makes more sense. The Government shall understand and
prioritise investments rather than opting for fancy systems. Public
Transport is an important duty of any responsible govt but not "the only"
duty, India is in a dear need of many other basic necessities like education
and health. These sectors according to me are more important than anything
else. What's the use of your pod cars when you are not able to provide
health and education facilities to any acceptable level to its citizens?

I disagree with someone's suggestion that pod cars should be used as
complimentary system to BRT and Metro. Providing a well planned bus
network in any city with walk and NMT as major access modes would be more
acceptable, cheaper and sustainable in the long run. BRT and bus systems
would be a better option to feed metros but not atleast pod taxis.

I really can't understand how and when pod taxis have become sustainable and
more acceptable as feeder services as opposed to walk and cycling.

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:29 AM, ravi gadepalli <gsbravi026 at yahoo.co.in>wrote:

> Dear Sonal,
>
> I work with an Urban Transport consultancy in Delhi and also worked on a
> demand estimation project for PRT in GIFT city, Gujarat, India.  I hope that
> makes me reasonably qualified to  put forward my understanding of the PRT.
>
> The peak speed of the POD is about 40 kmph. But when you take the access,
> egress, waiting  and transfer times, we observed in our study for GIFT city
> that people have
> lesser travel time cycling or in many cases even walking. This without
> even considering the travel cost.
>
> Cost of construction of PRT is around Rs 40 crore/km (about USD 8 million
> per km) and its function is to serve as a feeder mode to Metro/BRT.. The
> cost of BRT will be Rs 10 crore/km (about USD 8 million per km). Even though
> the cost for the passenger is fixed at Rs 6/km, the social cost will be
> higher. So, the feeder mode is going to cost more than the main  line.
>
> The other point put in favour of the PRT is that it can work in narrow
> lanes, like the one's being designed for Lucknow. We have narrow lanes
> in the Old city areas of most of our cities, which were primarily
> designed for walking. Why would we need to tamper with that for PRT,
> which is intended for the same purpose i.e. accessing the main PT lines
> on the arterials.
>
> But PRT has good symbolic value. Like Flyovers and Metros, they are there
> towering in front of everyone and hence can be claimed as an achievement of
> the government. Might be useful for the next election. Along the way, the
> contractors and the executing agencies have some work. So, we cant deny that
> it benefits some people at least.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ravi Gadepalli,
> i-Trans Pvt. Ltd.,
> TBIU, IIT Delhi,
> New Delhi.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/4/11, Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds) <
> Sonal.Ahuja at capita.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds) <Sonal.Ahuja at capita.co.uk>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister
> To: alok.priyanka at gmail.com,
>  aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com
> Cc: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
> Date: Wednesday, 27 April, 2011, 10:11 AM
>
> Indeed this system, must be seen complimentary, metros don't attract the
> car users due to interchange and park and ride problems, PRT is seen to an
> effective complementary system that offer cleaner, convenient and more
> efficient system than riding a car. Its not the only solution but yet
> another system that city planners and engineers can use to solve the problem
> of urban congestion and pollution along with promoting walking, cycling and
> an effective bus system. PRT must be seen a part of effective comprehensive
> urban transit strategy and not in isolation.
>
>
> With warm regards,
> Sonal
>
> Sonal Ahuja
> Director International Development,
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jains [mailto:alok.priyanka at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 05:15 AM
> To: Aashish Gupta <aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [sustran] Re: PRT proposal for Delhi convinces Chief Minister
>
> I am surprised that the entire discussion is going towards
> "substitution" not "complementarity". Delhi already has very ambitious
> plans for Metros (which are full to the brim - coming from personal
> experience) and BRT, but there is a strong need to curb private
> vehicle growth. PRT though tad expensive, could be a perfect feeder
> system to BRT and Metros and for intra-zonal short-distance travel.
>
> Reporting from Delhi.
> Alok Jain
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Aashish Gupta <aashu.gupta20 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > And Rs 6 per Kilometer is just so expensive! And thats assuming that the
> > claim of Rs 6 per kilometer will stay.
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