[sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

[Joachim Bergerhoff]

Eric, this plan B proposal is excellent.

You can sign me up ! Only make sure it will not lead the promoters of mega
projects to revert back to road projects because these public transport
people cannot agree among themselves. There should be plan B alternatives or
amendments to heavy rail, for sure, there MUST be plan B for heavy road
projects, too, and before all. Hence, your proposal should be formulated as
to include all urban transport infrastructure schemes, not only rail and
metro.

Joachim


On 28 September 2010 13:53, Kanthi Kannan <kanthikannan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Eric and others
>
> Greetings!!
>
> I think that we really need to sell our idea. I am sure that an alternative
> Plan B can be discussed and also made.
>
> Others, your thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kanthi
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan<sustran-discuss-bounces%2Bkanthikannan>
> =gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of eric britton
> Sent: 28 September 2010 14:04
> To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org; WorldTransport at yahoogroups.com;
> NewMobilityCafe at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sustran] First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction
>
> Is this a possibility? Each time that one of our major international
> institutions is called on to finance such a possibly inappropriate project,
> we ask for their support to prepare a Plan B. showing how an alternative
> series of investments and policies could, for the same amount of money,
> have
> a more positive, most sustainable and more just (and much faster) impact on
> the city.
>
> With the right team behind and the necessary resources, a credible job of a
> sketch plan could be completed in a couple of months max.
>
> I promise you that this could be done and done well. But we do need to sell
> the idea.
>
> Eric Britton
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+fekbritton=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+fekbritton<sustran-discuss-bounces%2Bfekbritton>
> =gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of Kanthi Kannan
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010 05:54
> To: 'Sujit Patwardhan'; 'eric britton'; 'sustran-discuss'
> Subject: [sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under
> construction
>
> Dear Sujit, Eric and others
>
> Greetings!!
>
> I think that this forum should be string enough to stop this since the
> forum
> has a lot of contacts and influence with the ADB. If we are unable to stop
> this from happening, then we cannot halt the metros in all our cities and a
> scam that will put the CWG scam to shame
>
> Let us do something about this and STOP THIS
>
> Not sure how. But we have to take action
>
> Regards
>
> Kanthi
>  _____
>
> From: Sujit Patwardhan [mailto:patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com]
> Sent: 28 September 2010 01:07
> Subject: Fwd: [NewMobilityCafe] First urban railway route in Hanoi under
> construction
>
> Who will say "Shame on you" to the Metro being planned for Pune?
> Half of us seem to be excited no end by the possibility of getting this -
>
> "a terrible expensive 19th century mobility system."
>
> .....as Eric Britton rightly calls it.
>
> Wake up before it is too late and Pune is permanently ruined !!!!
> --
> Sujit
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: eric britton <eric.britton at ecoplan.org>
> Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:02 PM
> Subject: [NewMobilityCafe] First urban railway route in Hanoi under
> construction
>
>
> Source:
>
>
>
> http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/201009/First-urban-railway-route-in-Hano
>
> i-under-construction-937891/ (With AD's comment: " Looking forward to see
> the fare and wonder how could they make it more tempted than that of riding
> a motorcycle for people."
>
> As someone who loves Vietnam deeply and has a bit of experience in
> transport
> in cities, including in Asia, I find this very distressing and all too
> familiar. Why on earth should anyone in a situation in which transport OD
> requirements are many-to-many and all-the-time, decide to spend scarce
> taxpayer dollars on a terrible expensive 19th century mobility system.
>
> If the French really want to help Hanoi, they should be proposing a light
> on-surface Strasburg style tramway. They could make their money and do good
> at the same time. But an 80 kph heavy rail system in the middle of the city
> and costing a billion Euros (as surely it will), is no kind favor.
>
> Shame on you European Investment Bank and Asian Development Bank for going
> along with this hubris-inspired billion dollar mistake.
>
> Eric Britton
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