[sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

[Kanthi Kannan]

Dear Eric and others

Greetings!!

I think that we really need to sell our idea. I am sure that an alternative
Plan B can be discussed and also made.

Others, your thoughts on this?



Regards

Kanthi



-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+kanthikannan=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
Behalf Of eric britton
Sent: 28 September 2010 14:04
To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org; WorldTransport at yahoogroups.com;
NewMobilityCafe at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sustran] First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

Is this a possibility? Each time that one of our major international
institutions is called on to finance such a possibly inappropriate project,
we ask for their support to prepare a Plan B. showing how an alternative
series of investments and policies could, for the same amount of money, have
a more positive, most sustainable and more just (and much faster) impact on
the city.

With the right team behind and the necessary resources, a credible job of a
sketch plan could be completed in a couple of months max. 

I promise you that this could be done and done well. But we do need to sell
the idea. 

Eric Britton


-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+fekbritton=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org
[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+fekbritton=gmail.com at list.jca.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Kanthi Kannan
Sent: Tuesday, 28 September, 2010 05:54
To: 'Sujit Patwardhan'; 'eric britton'; 'sustran-discuss'
Subject: [sustran] Re: First urban railway route in Hanoi under construction

Dear Sujit, Eric and others

Greetings!!

I think that this forum should be string enough to stop this since the forum
has a lot of contacts and influence with the ADB. If we are unable to stop
this from happening, then we cannot halt the metros in all our cities and a
scam that will put the CWG scam to shame

Let us do something about this and STOP THIS

Not sure how. But we have to take action

Regards

Kanthi
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From: Sujit Patwardhan [mailto:patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com] 
Sent: 28 September 2010 01:07
Subject: Fwd: [NewMobilityCafe] First urban railway route in Hanoi under
construction

Who will say "Shame on you" to the Metro being planned for Pune?
Half of us seem to be excited no end by the possibility of getting this -

"a terrible expensive 19th century mobility system."

.....as Eric Britton rightly calls it.

Wake up before it is too late and Pune is permanently ruined !!!!
--
Sujit


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: eric britton <eric.britton at ecoplan.org>
Date: Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:02 PM
Subject: [NewMobilityCafe] First urban railway route in Hanoi under
construction
  

Source:


http://english.vietnamnet.vn/social/201009/First-urban-railway-route-in-Hano

i-under-construction-937891/ (With AD's comment: " Looking forward to see 
the fare and wonder how could they make it more tempted than that of riding
a motorcycle for people."

As someone who loves Vietnam deeply and has a bit of experience in transport
in cities, including in Asia, I find this very distressing and all too
familiar. Why on earth should anyone in a situation in which transport OD
requirements are many-to-many and all-the-time, decide to spend scarce
taxpayer dollars on a terrible expensive 19th century mobility system. 

If the French really want to help Hanoi, they should be proposing a light
on-surface Strasburg style tramway. They could make their money and do good
at the same time. But an 80 kph heavy rail system in the middle of the city
and costing a billion Euros (as surely it will), is no kind favor. 

Shame on you European Investment Bank and Asian Development Bank for going
along with this hubris-inspired billion dollar mistake. 

Eric Britton

WorldStreets.org | NewMobility.org | Skype: newmobility 
8, rue Jospeh Bara | Paris 75006 France | +331 7550 3788




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