[sustran] Re: Pedestrian Budget

[Cornie Huizenga]

Dear Sudhir and others,

I think that it is important, desirable and possible to assess whether
pedestrian $$ are spend in a empowering manner for pedestrians, whether they
are neutral or whether they are (as Sujit might put it) hidden incentives
for cars.

I agree that i some cases, elevated walkways can make sense if they are done
in a structured and systematic manner. E.g. Hong Kong, Bangkok or in parts
of Makati. The reason these work is that they have moved the grade from
ground level to one story up in the air. In the case of  Hong Kong and
Bangkok they are directly linked to public transport. In other cases, as in
other parts of metro Manila they are done so that pedestrians are out of the
way of the cars. Sometimes in a very inconvenient manner - the one at Edsa
and Ortigas avenue is constructed for midgets only. When I passed there I
had to crunch in order not too lose my head!!

Cornie

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Sudhir <sudhir at cai-asia.org> wrote:

> Dear Sujit,
>
> Coming from Bangalore, a city of flyovers which has just started massive
> pedestrian crossings in the air .. i cannot agree more. But i would also
> suggest that if you can have a context sensitive design in place.. it may
> work in few places as shown in Makati in Manila. One  cannot just retrofit
> staircases everywhere.
>
> We are about to complete a project for ADB which looks extensively at the
> issues pertaining to walkability. We are looking at around 10 cities. We
> partnered with local universities and local NGO's from CAI partnership in
> taking this challenge and doing small scale walkability surveys which
> includes infrastructure assessment and pedestrian interviews ( we have
> approx 2000 Asians suggesting their requirements as to what they need from
> policymakers) . We hope to keep this alive with annual surveys and media
> campaign and you would be seeing more local level pressure being exerted in
> coming days.
>
> we would circulate more in coming weeks...
>
> lets hope for the best..
>
> thanks
> Sudhir
>
> On 7 March 2010 17:55, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 7 March 2010
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Sudhir,
> > We are doing an analysis of the PMC Budget - passed a few days back. The
> > percentage of all Pedestrian and non motorised infrastructure is very
> small
> > though by including totally unnecessary and horrendous structures like
> the
> > Sky-Walk (another name for Pedestrian Over bridges where pedestrians are
> > made to climb up many steps) under the head -  "pedestrian facilities"
>  the
> > budgets gives a misleading picture. These Sky-Walks just like most
> Flyovers
> > are nothing but opportunities for high kick backs and white elephant
> > projects for the agencies and contractors apart from acting as one more
> stab
> > in the back for pedestrians whose miserable life (having to walk on most
> > roads with poor condition of pavements) is already so painful that it is
> not
> > right to make him climb up many steps just to make the road free for auto
> > vehicles. In fact the impetus for the sky-walks comes from two sources -
> > first is corruption, and the second from the belief that roads are meant
> > mainly for auto-mobiles and getting the pedestrians off the roads is a
> good
> > idea for improving traffic.
> >
> > We feel auto vehicles must stop as often and as long as necessary for the
> > pedestrians to cross roads at grade. If on account of the high number of
> > pedestrians the timing for cars to stop is too long  - that is a proof
> that
> > the road is ripe for pedestrians only treatment. The automobile then
> needs
> > to be banned or severely restricted through TDM measures.
> >
> > As usual I have been liberal in answering your question but I thought one
> > could get a wrong picture by taking too narrow a focus while looking at
> the
> > budget.
> > We will share our findings about the Pune Municipal Corporation Budget
> with
> > you. Should take about three weeks I guess.
> >
> > With warm regards,
> > --
> > Sujit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Sudhir <sudhir at cai-asia.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> We are searching for % of Budget allocated for pedestrians in our cities
> >> and
> >> unfortunately could not find many Asian cities.
> >>
> >> Do you know how much % of money authorities are planning  to invest on
> >> pedestrians in your city?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Sudhir Gota
> >> Transport Specialist
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> --
> Sudhir Gota
> Transport Specialist
> CAI-Asia Center
> Unit 3510, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower,
> ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City
> Metro Manila, Philippines 1605
> Tel: +63-2-395-2843
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> Visit our new portal: www.cleanairinitiative.org
> Skype : sudhirgota
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Cornie Huizenga
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