[sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

[Ahuja, Sonal (Capita Symonds)]

We have done some extensive tests with Pelican crossing with ped
Detection in Delhi and are ongoing setup of a few crossing in Delhi. We
did not propose puffin with on crossing detectors due to stop line
enforcement issues and went for traditional pelicans. So far the results
have been very promising. One has to be careful on the infrastructure is
designed. In Delhi the roads are quite wide so intergreens can be large.


So far these mid block crossings seem to operate without any probelms

If you need more information please do not hesitate to ask.

with warm regards

Sonal Ahuja

Director International Development,
Technology Transport and Infrastructure

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g] On Behalf Of Cornie Huizenga
Sent: 14 July 2010 02:47
To: Paul Barter
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Subject: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

Paul,

I very much like the part in the Zebra definition: "drivers must give
way to
pedestrians who
  demonstrate intent to cross".  I am afraid that this part has not been
read by 99.9% of the drivers in Asia.

Having lived now in Asia for almost 15 years it is always a surprise
when I
go back to Europe and see cars stop when I am on the side of the road
near a
zebra crossing.

Here in Asia I would put more trust in a pedestrian traffic light than
in a
zebra crossing.

Cornie

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Paul Barter <peebeebarter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A few words on terminology.
>
> This is a useful debate on pedestrian facilities (and when or whether
they
> help).
>
> But 'pelican crossing' and 'puffin crossing' are not familiar terms in
most
> places outside Britain. [I for one didn't understand them until
looking
> them
> up just now.]
>
> So here are some wikipedia definitions (which may be wrong?):
>
> "In the United Kingdom and parts of the
> Commonwealth<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth>,
> animal names are often used to distinguish several types of such
crossings:
>
>   - Zebra crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_crossing>: wide
>   longitudinal stripes on road, often with belisha
> beacons<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisha_beacon>;
>   pedestrians may cross at any time; drivers must give way to
pedestrians
> who
>   demonstrate intent to cross.
>   - Pelican crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_crossing>:
> traffic
>   lights <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light> for pedestrians
and
>   vehicles; button-operated.
>   - Puffin crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puffin_crossing>:
>   pedestrian lights on near side of road; button-operated with
curb-side
>   detector.
>   - Toucan crossing <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toucan_crossing>:
for
>   bicycles <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle> as well as
pedestrians."
>
>
> As an Australian (in Singapore) I would use 'pedestrian activated
traffic
> lights' (or in casual conversation just 'pedestrian lights') for both
> pelican and puffin crossings. The animal terms are obviously shorter.
But
> only useful if we all understand them. 'Zebra' seems common everywhere
but
> not the others.
>
> All the best
>
> Paul
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