[sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!

Ian Perry ianenvironmental at googlemail.com
Tue Jul 13 04:39:51 JST 2010


>
> Hi,
>>
>> Taking a European viewpoint, pelican crossings are being replaced by
>> puffin crossings, advantages include them sensing the presence of
>> pedestrians, and having the pedestrian lights closer (to help those with
>> poorer vision) and at an angle that enables people to watch both the light
>> and approaching traffic.
>>
>> Meanwhile, more progressive cities are replacing pelican crossings with
>> zebra crossings - or shared space.
>>
>> The cost of a puffin or pelican crossing is about £40,000 (US$70,000) -
>> money that could be spent on many better things?
>>
>> Even in Europe, most pedestrians cross before the lights change for them,
>> and many motorists ignore or miss red lights - resulting in deaths.
>>
>> Zebra crossings are much cheaper - and money saved can be spent on
>> "educating" people (motorists) and bicycle infrastructure! Please don't
>> follow our mistakes...
>>
>
>
>> Ian
>>
>>
> http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2215_pelican_crossing_death_was_a_tragic_accident
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> <http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2215_pelican_crossing_death_was_a_tragic_accident>
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> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/3247116/Pedestrian-death-figures-prompt-call-for-more-zebra-crossing-points.html
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> <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/3247116/Pedestrian-death-figures-prompt-call-for-more-zebra-crossing-points.html>
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282236/Trainee-barrister-23-killed-pedestrian-crossing-saves-EIGHT-lives-donor-just-weeks-earlier.html
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>>
>> --- In sustran-discuss at yahoogroups.com, "Kanthi Kannan" <kanthikannan at ...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Ashok and Sudhir
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks but can we get the details so that we can start a discussion
>> amongst
>> > the people in the area and also involve politicians and officials.
>> Presently
>> > we do not have a clue about the costs and installation procedure.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The traffic in Hyd is becoming bad to worse by the day and accidents are
>> on
>> > the raise. People have stopped walking because walking has becoming
>> > Hazardous
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kanthi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   _____
>> >
>> > From: Sudhir [mailto:sudhir at ...]
>> > Sent: 12 July 2010 15:25
>> > To: Ashok Sreenivas
>> > Cc: Kanthi Kannan; Sustran-discuss at ...
>> > Subject: Re: [sustran] Re: Pelican Crossings!!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Kanthi,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I agree with Ashok.  It has been failure @ may places as nobody
>> acknowledges
>> > it . Also add traffic calming with such elements..
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > Sudhir
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12 July 2010 17:50, Ashok Sreenivas <ashok.sreenivas at ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Kanthi,
>> >
>> > A word of caution based on our experience. Installing pelican crossings
>> by
>> > themselves don't do much to increase pedestrian safety since most
>> motorists
>> > and pedestrians don't know how to use it - i.e. pedestrians don't know
>> how
>> > to operate it, and on the rare occasions they do, the resultant red is
>> > completely ignored by most motorists who are just not used to such
>> > "non-intersection" signals. So, my suggestion would be to introduce
>> pelican
>> > signals along with other elements such as signages, awareness building
>> among
>> > motorists and pedestrians, some amount of enforcement or using temporary
>> > traffic wardens for a month or so, and maybe even a concurrent
>> pedestrian
>> > safety campaign in the vicinity of the pelican signals.
>> >
>> > Ashok
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/07/2010 3:02 PM, Kanthi Kannan wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear all
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Greetings!!
>> >
>> > We are trying to get permissions to Install Pelican Crossings. Any one
>> who
>> > has contacts with vendors? Or knows whom to contact to get the details
>> of
>> > cost etc?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kanthi
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Sudhir Gota
>> > Transport Specialist
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