[sustran] Re: monorails and other low capacity systems

[Lee Schipper]

Let me ask someone who really knows Colombia: Ramon?

Lee Schipper
Global Met Studies  UC Berkeley
Precourt En Eff Center Stanford



On Jan 31, 2010, at 20:01, "Sujit Patwardhan" <patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

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> Eric,
> From what I can see the Metro Cable in Medellin, Columbia is more  
> suited to tourists than regular commuters. For latter, wouldn't  
> space for stations, connectivity with the street below and other  
> associated problems need to be addressed?
> Google search gave this:
> http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&q=Metro+Cable+in+Medellin,+Columbia&start=10&sa=N&fp=c5b9ba6cbe6cba1e
> --
> Sujit
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> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:24 AM, <bruun at seas.upenn.edu> wrote:
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> I want to add that some of the aerial systems have substantial  
> capacity.
> Metro Cable in Medellin, Columbia is equal to a heavy bus route
> or moderate LRT route in the US. Eric Bruun
>
> Quoting Lee Schipper <schipper at wri.org>:
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> > Let me weigh in on Eric Britton's side here. There are all kinds of
> > high-flying ideas, called Pods or personal taxis or rail taxis or
> > personal rapid transit or what-you-have. They are all interesting,  
> but
> > as Eric says their scale is tiny compared to the access needs of two
> > billion people in cities around the world.  I remember taking the
> > Monorail from the Disneyland Hotel into Disneyland in S.  
> California in
> > the 1950s.  I rode the Schwebebahn in Wuppertal in 1999 and recently
> > rode the experimental, low-speed Maglev in Nagoya near the site of  
> Expo
> > 2005. There are serious studies underway in Sweden and elsewhere  
> because
> > these things have some merit. But so far that's as far as it goes.
> >
> >
> >
> > They are fine for those who want to build them and don't care who  
> rides
> > them, particularly if they are built to shuttle small numbers of  
> people
> > around fairgrounds, parking lots, etc.  But please let's not waste  
> even
> > precious OPM (Other peoples' money, i.e., bilateral or multilateral
> > assistance  funds) or our own funds when a huge need for access for
> > ordinary folks goes unmet.  For Asian and Latin America cities, we  
> are
> > looking at corridors requiring over 1 million trips per day and  
> cities
> > with 20-30 million trips/day at the beginning of development,  
> i.e., less
> > than 2 trips/day/person.  How will Shanghai provide 50 million  
> trips/day
> > in 2020? I don't see any evidence that these small systems can  
> provide
> > much relief except where an aerial tramway or other small system  
> has to
> > climb a hill for a few hundred people/hour.  The "nostalgic,
> > semi-underground cog-railway  in Istanbul is a  good example here.  
> But
> > we have to focus what limited funds we have on moving the masses
> > cleanly, smoothly, reliably, equitably, and above all rapidly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Lee
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