From richmond at alum.mit.edu Sun Nov 1 14:54:36 2009 From: richmond at alum.mit.edu (Jonathan Richmond) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:54:36 +0600 (Central Asia Standard Time) Subject: [sustran] Models for Transportation Authorities Message-ID: The Bangladesh Cabinet has approved formation of a new Mass Transportation Authority for Dhaka and I have been asked to present possible models for proceeding with the new organization. The reason for starting the new organization is to remedy the current lack of coordination on transportation issues in government and to facilitate a series of projects as well the professionalisation of management to improve mobility and control congestion. It seems to me that there are a series of key issues: Will the authority coordinate other agencies to pursue projects and manage operations, or will it directly implement projects and perform operational management functions? Will the authority directly complete planning/construction of projects and then hand them over to other bodies for operation? Will the organization coordinate road and public transport issues, or operate only in the area of public transportation? Will the authority perform regulatory functions, or will these remain in other organizations? Will the authority have budget control or only be enabled to make recommendations? I would appreciate help with identifying different models for transport authority operation, examples of where they have been in operation, and whether they have been successful, and also any literature on the subject (please note I have no library access nor access to journal website downloads, so I'd appreciate having relevant material emailed directly to me where possible!) Any ideas on what you think we might successfully pursue in Dhaka would also be much appreciated. Many thanks, --Jonathan ----- Jonathan Richmond Transport Advisor Dhaka Transport Coordination Board Ministry of Communications Government of Bangladesh Nagar Bhaban, 13-14th Floor Dhaka-1000 Bangladesh Phone: +880 (0)1714 179013 Fax: +880 (0)2 956-8892 e-mail: richmond@alum.mit.edu http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From schipper at wri.org Mon Nov 2 02:21:55 2009 From: schipper at wri.org (Lee Schipper) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:21:55 -0500 Subject: [sustran] =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_=5BNewMobilityCafe=5D_=5BWorld_Streets?= =?utf-8?Q?=5D_There_they_go_again=2C_burying_poor_old_V=C3=A9lib?= =?utf-8?Q?=2E?= In-Reply-To: <014d01ca5a12$08bc4db0$1a34e910$@britton@ecoplan.org> References: <014d01ca5a12$08bc4db0$1a34e910$@britton@ecoplan.org> Message-ID: <46E2E1971BCEC1459149FBB1A4B4342C0608A85D@wricsex029330.WRI.CRM.Local> Babe Ruth, 1931 World Series, the Home Run he called? Lee Schipper, Ph.D Project Scientist Global Metropolitan Studies 2614 Dwight Way 2nd floor University of California Berkeley CA 94720-1782 USA TEL +1 510 642 6889 FAX +1 510 642 6061 CELL +1 202 262 7476 skype: mrmeter http://metrostudies.berkeley.edu/ Senior Research Engineer Precourt Energy Efficiency Center Stanford University From: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Britton Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:08 AM To: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com; Sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org; LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com; Cities-for-Mobility@yahoogroups.com; WorldCityBike@yahoogroups.com; cai-asia@lists.worldbank.org; cma.orissa@gmail.com; sutp@sutp.org; 'Ben Fried'; 'Parisot Bernard'; 'Dutrieux J?r?me'; 'Valeau Thomas'; 'elizabeth press' Subject: [NewMobilityCafe] [World Streets] There they go again, burying poor old V?lib. There they go again, burying poor old V?lib. The New York Times is generally doing a yeoman's job of providing useful investigative coverage and commentary on the environment-climate-new mobility front. And for that we all are most grateful. However in this tough game no one goes ten for ten at bat, and in this article today on V?lib they have really missed the ball. Guess we have to be a bit careful concerning about what we read in the paper (Streets included, of course) Before you dig into their piece however, let me draw a handful of earlier reports on just this which are a lot closer to having their facts straight. (And by the time that you get to the Time's Halloween piece below, you surely have to wonder what the fuss is all these months later. Strike three on this one NYT. But you will have plenty more Times at bat.) --> Full text of this article appears in today?s World Streets at http://WorldStreets.org/ Read World Streets Today at http://www.worldstreets.org/ New Mobility Partnerships ? http://www.newmobility.org 8/10 rue Joseph Bara, 75006 Paris, France, Europe +331 4326 1323 eric.britton(at)newmobility.org Skype: newmobility __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar Check in here via the homepage at http://www.newmobility.org To post message to group: NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com Please think twice before posting to the group as a whole (It might be that your note is best sent to one person?) MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity ? 1 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Yahoo! Groups Auto Enthusiast Zone Auto Enthusiast Zone Car groups and more! Yahoo! Groups Mental Health Zone Mental Health Learn More . __,_._,___ From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Nov 2 03:08:57 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 19:08:57 +0100 Subject: [sustran] =?iso-8859-1?Q?New_comment_on_There_they_go_again=2C_bu?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?rying_poor_old__V=E9lib=2E?= In-Reply-To: <00504502eccafc04f70477454db8@google.com> References: <00504502eccafc04f70477454db8@google.com> Message-ID: <02b101ca5b1e$65762af0$306280d0$@britton@ecoplan.org> Todd, You are asking fair questions. Quickly now if I may: 1. Yes, those photos were taken about 09:00 in the morning on a Saturday of a holiday week-end (a few minutes after I read the NYT piece and was driven to action). There was little traffic and indeed the city is somewhat asleep for the entire week-end. That's normal for Paris on such (rare) days. 2. Two things about the up/down bike split on that day. First, the score is a bit off from most (but not all) of my experience. When one checks into a larger stand (25 to 50 bikes) on a normal day, there will almost always be a couple that are down: problems with chains, flat tires . . normal wear and tire by bikes that are being used from 5 to 12 times a day by people who are not always so careful with them, most often out of sheer inexperience or carelessness. I have on a few occasions found only a few bike cadavers, but really on a few time after more than two ears of daily use. (It helps to do your homework before you move if you have a tight schedule(see below). 3. Second, there were fewer bikes overall on those stands that morning. That was probably a function of the normal un-distribution of bikes that takes place on a Saturday, with lots of bikes clustering instead next to the main rail and regional rail stations. That's part of life with Velib. 4. Now one of the biggest problems that Velib or any other PBS has to confront ? bigger than the sort of sheer vandalism and theft that the NYT was months after the fact pushing as an Einstein discovery ? is to find ways to ensure that both available bikes and open parking slots are available system-wide. This is a real technical and organizational challenge, and if you are interested enough check into our World City Bike collaborative at www.worldcitybike.org and you will see more on that. The ideal situation is the all the stands are half full (though a more standard ratio is 1.7 parking slots per bike). 5. If you want to be sure of getting a bike, and then a parking slot for sure, you will do well to go first to something like http://www.parisavelo.net/ which offers a current update on the state of play of 1218 station. For a review of the key stats on available bikes, Parking slots available try http://www.parisavelo.net/stats.php. You can also do it all by iPhone. (Did someone mention that this is the 21st century?) As to the "positives" of the Times story, there are some, sure, but that's not what the reports were selling to us gullible country folks. The fact is that the overall tone, their real "story", is derisive, sarcastic and condescending (and of course ill informed) ? and that does not help, Moreover, the points of correct information are available to anyone who can combine a bit of Google with a good bit of common sense. That's not news. My suggestion is that the reporters give the Times their money back. As to WHY the bikes are vandalized and/or stolen, get us some funding and we will do a terrific job on that. We know the tough suburbs hands-on, where others just refer to them as an abstraction. You gotta get out on the street. Sure there is something going on, but ain't that just the normal state of play. After all when you have twenty thousand defenseless bicycles out there it's clear that anyone with a grievance is going to give them a good beating. The bottom line is that Velib works. It's a great human project, and that JCDecaux ? like 'em or loath 'em ? are doing a good job at keeping it up and running. Maintenance is all. VERY VERY challenging and only real whizzes can make it work. I score JCD performance with keeping the system running as 7 on a scale of 10. (Which by the way is where I score World Streets.) We need more sharing, in transport and in many corners of or daily lives. Sharing is the path to sustainability, social justice and a planet that deserves far better than what we are giving it. Owning stuff is so old-fashioned. (Give me 30 sec's at http://www.vimeo.com/6856553 or, better yet, come to www.kaohsiung.newmobility.org and brainstorm sharing with us next September) Eric Britton, Paris >From Todd Edelman, Sat 31-Oct-09 18:52 Eric, you show that 20-25% of bikes on a few stands on a Saturday morning are not ready. How early is it? Maybe around 9.30 or 10 by the looks of the shadows and your latitude... or earlier: There is no traffic in evidence. I am no math whiz, but it seems easy to see how a 20-25% at any one time can equal 80% over the whole time. You present this partly to contrast the one - just one specific example NYT gives in the most recent story - of a woman who has trouble during the week. The huge cost they give per bike is probably totally erroneous, but in terms of positives the article has many. So, s'il vous plait, give us some insights on these people who are apparently destroying the bikes, and their back story - and figures. Let us know if there is something Velib' can do to help them, if any of their anger is related to a huge advertising multi-national being the owner... the bikes are not "free" after all: Most people pay for them in higher prices on consumer products, because it is well known a significant portion of the sales price is due to advertising costs. But only some of these people benefit directly, the ones fortunate enough to live inside the city. Posted by Green Idea Factory to World Streets at Saturday, 31 October, 2009 From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Mon Nov 2 15:44:29 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:44:29 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Dubai Award for Sustainable Transport nominations Message-ID: <010a01ca5b87$f5f69150$e1e3b3f0$@britton@ecoplan.org> If you have any particular thoughts or nominations for this, would be glad to hear from you. - - - Dubai Award for Sustainable Transport nominations date extended Source http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/uae/traffic-transport/dubai-award-for-sustaina ble-transport-nominations-date-extended-1.522062 Dubai: The Dubai Roads and Transport Authority (RTA) has extended the date to receive nominations for the Dubai Award for Sustainable Transport (DAST) up to November 30. The RTA has invited government, semi-government and private organisations and companies as well as academicians and researchers to take part in the second edition of the award. Dr Khalid Al Zahid, Chairman of the DAST, said the higher committee of the award decided to extend the date by one more month in order to enable larger participation from public and private entities as well as scholars and researchers. "Through launching this award, the RTA is seeking to achieve a number of targets that include educating and encouraging individuals and community organisations to play a proactive and constructive role in supporting the RTA to meet its objectives in upgrading the infrastructure of public transport," said Al Zahid. "This initiative is a crucial step in leveraging the participation of the business community in the public and private organisations to join the RTA's efforts towards integration of multi-modal public transport in Dubai," Al Zahid said. Al Zahid stated the Award consisted of four categories: Management and Organisation of Mobility, Transport Safety, Conserving the Environment and Special Needs. The nomination form is available at www.rta.ae . 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Resource persons for the course will be Ms. Shreya Gadepalli (ITDP), Mr. Santhosh Kodukula (GTZ), Mr. Abhijit Lokre (CEPT), Mr. Maulik Shah (CEPT). The expected participants for the course are policy-makers, urban planners, transport planners, designers and also various other stakeholders who are working in the area of Mass transit/BRT planning. Interested participants will need to send in their name, affiliation and contact details to Mr. Santhosh Kodukula (santhosh.kodukula@sutp.org) latest by 09th November 2009. More information: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1784&Itemid=1&lang=uk From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Wed Nov 4 01:59:51 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:59:51 +0100 Subject: [sustran] [World Streets] Kaohsiung: Car Free Days and a Green Transport Program Message-ID: <042e01ca5ca7$1c6538d0$552faa70$@britton@ecoplan.org> Kaohsiung: Car Free Days and a Green Transport Program Kaohsiung is Taiwan's second largest city with a population of 1,510,000. And it is a busy city. The large harbor makes it an important trade stop along the Northeast Asia/South Pacific passageway. With rapidly global climate change, people in Taiwan increasingly feel the importance of being a part of the earth. Kaohsiung has decided to do something about it. - Dispatch by Ray Hung, Transportation Bureau, Kaohsiung City, Taiwan --> Full text of this article appears in today's World Streets at http://WorldStreets.org/ Read World Streets Today at http://www.worldstreets.org/ New Mobility Partnerships - http://www.newmobility.org 8/10 rue Joseph Bara, 75006 Paris, France, Europe +331 4326 1323 eric.britton(at)newmobility.org Skype: newmobility From Regina.Anderson at worleyparsons.com Thu Nov 5 15:39:38 2009 From: Regina.Anderson at worleyparsons.com (Anderson, Regina (Singapore)) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:39:38 +0800 Subject: [sustran] potential projects Message-ID: <786FA965F7F7384F9BB242BBD23B65705AB8A2@sgsinwpexm01.WorleyParsons.com> All, One of the organizations I am working with is looking for potential projects to fund, in urban transport as well as all urban infrastructure and development. If you know of any well-founded potential projects, more at the feasibility/concept/design stages, let me know what they are and some background on the project, as well as a contact person. I will pass these along. Feel free to cast your net out if you know of others who may have knowledge of potential projects. Best, Gina anderson Regina Anderson, AICP Manager - Select Infrastructure & Environment WorleyParsons www.worleyparsons.com Tel: +65 6501 7195 Singapore Power Building, 12th Floor 111 Somerset Road Singapore 238164 From kaye.patdu at cai-asia.org Fri Nov 6 17:43:09 2009 From: kaye.patdu at cai-asia.org (Kaye Patdu) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:43:09 +0800 Subject: [sustran] =?windows-1252?Q?Sustainable_Urban_Mobility_in_Asia_=28?= =?windows-1252?Q?SUMA=29_News_Digest_Vol=2E_6_Issue_8_=96_6_Novemb?= =?windows-1252?Q?er_2009?= Message-ID: <81215e5a0911060043m5a29e8b5y958958b8db7bdaac@mail.gmail.com> *Sustainable Urban Mobility in Asia (SUMA) News Digest Vol. 6 Issue 8 ? 6 November 2009 * SUMA News Digest is a free monthly e-mail publication that features news, information, and events related to sustainable urban transportation in Asia. *** VISIT THE SUMA PAGES: http://www.cleanairnet.org/suma *** *SUMA PARTNERS ON THE MOVE! * *SUMA Summit 29-30 October 2009, Delhi India* Cities in Asia need to pay closer attention to sustainable transport strategies and investments as a way to address growing traffic problems and reduce air pollution and address climate change. This is the message that about 85 participants echoed in a two-day international summit that marked the conclusion of the Sustainable Urban Mobility in Asia program. The main objective of the Summit is to present and discuss the outputs and experiences of the SUMA program to Indian and Asian stakeholders particularly government officials. Drawing from the lessons in SUMA, the Summit also aimed to discuss future trends and issues relevant to promote SUT in India and the rest of Asia and develop a common position of the future of SUT in Asia. As part of the SUMA Summit, a mass rapid transit/BRT planning training course was conducted on 27-28 October 2009 in Delhi. This was followed by a Technical BRT Site Visit in Ahmedabad on 31 October to 1 November 2009. For summit presentations and additional information, please visit * http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-73602.html* *SUMA Summit Pre-Event: Mass Rapid Transit/BRT Planning Training Course 27-28 October 2009, Delhi India* As a part of the SUMA program, GTZ and CAI-Asia held a two-day course on Mass Rapid Transit/BRT Planning in 27-28 October in Hotel Ramada Plaza, Delhi. The course was designed specifically for policy-makers, transport engineers, urban planners and academia. Course trainers were from World Resources Institute (WRI-EMBARQ), Institute for Transport and Development Policy (ITDP), German Technical Cooperation (GTZ), Centre for Environmental Planning and Technology (CEPT) University, Urban Mass Transit Company Limited (UMTC) and Delhi Integrated Multi-modal Transit System (DIMTS). Read more @ http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1777&Itemid=132&lang=uk *CAI-Asia Center Joins Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport (SLoCaT)* A new Partnership on Sustainable, Low Carbon Transport (SLoCaT) was launched in Bangkok, Thailand on 25 September with the aim to actively contribute options and advice on the development of sustainable transport systems worldwide to inform the international climate change negotiations. SLoCat is pushing for reductions in transport-related greenhouse gas emissions, and urges that the climate change agreement to be reached in COP 15 in Copenhagen this December tackle this issue. In addition to the Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities Center, SLoCat includes the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), the Asian Development Bank, African Development Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank among many notable organizations. The Partnership currently has over 30 members. Read more @ http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1412/article-73603.html. *NEWS REPORTS* *HEADLINES* *Bangladesh: *Dhaka traffic at standstill 7.5 hours a day* *http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26232746-12377,00.html *Bhutan: *First railway station to be at Toribari* **http://www.kuenselonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=13713* *Brunei: *Decline in Brunei?s road accidents * http://www.brudirect.com/index.php/200910098099/Local-News/decline-in-bruneis-road-accidents.html * *India: *Not flyovers, adopt mass transit system: Experts * http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata-/Not-flyovers-adopt-mass-transit-system-Experts/articleshow/5113753.cms * *Indonesia: *Car free day reduces air pollution http://www.beritajakarta.com/2008/en/newsview.aspx?idwil=0&id=12799 See related study @ *http://www.baq2008.org/stream2-dillon* *Indonesia:* Air quality station to be launched in November. http://www.beritajakarta.com/2008/en/newsview.aspx?idwil=0&id=12798 See related news @ http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/20/rp-17-billion-new-airquality-monitoring-stations.html http://www.beritajakarta.com/2008/en/newsview.aspx?idwil=0&id=12746 *Lao PDR:* Brakes applied to Lao student motorbike riding http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Asia/Story/A1Story20091023-175384.html *Malaysia:* Pushing the need for better public transport http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2009/10/26/central/4959271&sec=central *Philippines: *Cebu City officials prioritize BRT study before LRT bid * * http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20091019-230865/Cebu-City-officials-prioritize-BRT-study-before-LRT-bid * *Related News @ http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=515274&publicationSubCategoryId=107 http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=515586&publicationSubCategoryId=107 *Republic of Korea: *Seoul air quality reaches OECD levels http://english.seoul.go.kr/gtk/news/news_view.php?idx=6960 *Singapore:* Car usage on the rise http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_446950.html See related news @ http://motoring.asiaone.com/Motoring/News/Story/A1Story20091027-176146.html http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1013808/1/.html http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/asia/singapore-land-transport-masterplan-to-double-rail-network-by-2020-12439.html *Sri Lanka: *Sri Lanka launches ad campaign to help reconstruct northern rail tracks* **http://www.colombopage.com/archive_091/Oct1254407501CH.html* *Thailand:* Private sectors urge gov?t to help promote logistics http://www.siamdailynews.com/2009/10/26/private-sectors-urge-govt-to-help-promote-logistics/ *Thailand:* Southern line trains resume service http://www.siamdailynews.com/2009/10/22/southern-line-trains-resume-service/ See related news @ http://www.siamdailynews.com/2009/10/26/srt-locomotives-set-to-go-to-three-southernmost-provinces/ http://www.siamdailynews.com/2009/10/26/railways-to-resume-full-service-in-upper-south-not-three-border-provinces/ * * * * *INTERESTING FINDS/SEMINARS* *Transport, Energy and CO2: Moving toward Sustainability - How the world can achieve deep CO2 reductions in transport by 2050* The new report by the International Energy Agency (IEA), Transport, Energy and CO2: Moving Toward Sustainability, looks at ways to enable growth in mobility without accelerating climate change. It finds that by shifting more travel to the most efficient modes, improving vehicle fuel efficiency by up to 50% using cost-effective, incremental technologies and moving toward electricity, hydrogen, and advanced biofuels, we can reduce transport CO2 emissions far below current levels by 2050, at lower costs than many assume. If governments implement strong policies to achieve this scenario, dramatic reductions in CO2 emissions by 2050 can be achieved. This publication is one of three new IEA end-use studies, together with industry and buildings, which look at the role of technologies and policies in transforming the way energy is used in these sectors Read more @ http://www.iea.org/index_info.asp?id=752 Changing Course: A New Paradigm for Sustainable Urban Transport Most Asian cities have grown more congested, more sprawling, and less livable in recent years; and statistics suggest that this trend will continue. Rather than mitigate the problems, transport policies have often exacerbated them. In this book, ADB outlines a new paradigm for sustainable urban transport that gives Asian cities a workable, step-by-step blueprint for reversing the trend and moving toward safer, cleaner, more sustainable cities, and a better quality of urban life. Read more @ * http://www.adb.org/Documents/Books/Paradigm-Sustainable-Urban-Transport/* *Towards Sustainable Production and Use of Resources: Assessing Biofuels* This report by the Working Group on Biofuels of the International Panel for Sustainable Resource Management provides an overview of the key problems and perspectives towards sustainable production and use of biofuels. It is based on an extensive literature study, taking into account recent major reviews. The focus is on so-called first generation biofuels while considering further lines of development. In the overall context of enhancing resource productivity, options for more efficient and sustainable production and use of biomass are examined. In particular "modern biomass use" for energetic purposes, such as biomass used for (co-)generation of heat and power and liquid biofuels for transport, are addressed and related to the use of biomass for food and material purposes. Whereas improving the efficiency of biomass production plays a certain role towards enhancing sustainability, progress will ultimately depend on a more efficient use of biotic (and abiotic) resources (including for instance an increased fuel economy of car fleets), although a full consideration of all relevant strategies towards the end (e.g. changing diets high in animal based foods and reducing food losses) is beyond the scope of this report. Read more @ *http://www.unep.fr/scp/publications/details.asp?id=DTI/1213/PA* *5th International Conference on Sustainable Transport (ICST)* The Center for Sustainable Transport of Mexico hosted the 5th International Conference on Sustainable Transport (ICST) from October 12 to 14 in Mexico City. The annual conference brought together policymakers, transport engineers, reseachers and city officials from Mexico and around the globe discussing issues on urban mobility and sustainable transport solutions. This year, the theme of the conference is ?Low Carbon, Competitive Cities??with the aim to bring the most urgent issues on Climate Change, Sustainable Transport and Urbanism together for the development of more mobility-oriented public policies. Visit http://www.congresotransportesustentable.org/ponencias5/index.php for conference materials and presentations. Climate Change: Fixing a Critical Climate Accounting Error The accounting now used for assessing compliance with carbon limits in the Kyoto Protocol and in climate legislation contains a far-reaching but fixable flaw that will severely undermine greenhouse gas reduction goals (1). It does not count CO2 emitted from tailpipes and smokestacks when bioenergy is being used, but it also does not count changes in emissions from land use when biomass for energy is harvested or grown. This accounting erroneously treats all bioenergy as carbon neutral regardless of the source of the biomass, which may cause large differences in net emissions. For example, the clearing of long-established forests to burn wood or to grow energy crops is counted as a 100% reduction in energy emissions despite causing large releases of carbon. Read more @ * http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/326/5952/527* * * * * *MARK YOUR CALENDARS* TRAINING PROGRAMME, 8th Training Programme for Public Transport Managers , 16-18 November 2009, Belfast, http://www.uitp.org/events/2009/8Training/en/index.cfm Urban Mobility India ? 2009, 3-December 2009, New Delhi, http://www.iutindia.org/urban2009.html TRB 89th Annual Meeting, 10 January, 2010, Washington DC http://www.trb.org/AnnualMeeting/default.asp ** * * CONTRIBUTE * * * * To contribute articles, news items, or event announcements for the next issue, send an email with the complete details and URL source to suma-news-owner@googlegroups.com with subject "FOR SUMA NEWS". Past issues can be found at http://groups.google.com/group/suma-news ** * * ABOUT SUMA * * * * The Sustainable Urban Mobility in Asia (SUMA) program is supported by the Asian Development Bank through a grant from Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency. SUMA is implemented by the Clean Air Initiative for Asian Cities Center (www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia), in partnership with EMBARQ - the World Resources Institute Center for Sustainable Transport (http://embarq.wri.org), GTZ Sustainable Urban Transport Project ( www.sutp.org), Interface for Cycling Expertise ( www.cycling.nl), Institute for Transportation and Development Policy ( www.itdp.org), and United Nations Center for Regional Development ( www.uncrd.or.jp/est) From sutp at sutp.org Sun Nov 8 00:02:26 2009 From: sutp at sutp.org (SUTP Team) Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:32:26 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Resending: GTZ-SUTP, CAI-Asia Training course on Bus Rapid Transit in Pimpri Chinchwad in November, 2009 Message-ID: <4AF58C02.3020803@sutp.org> GTZ and CAI-Asia will jointly organize a 2-day training course on Mass transit and Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) and related measures at the Auto Cluster Auditorium in Pimpri Chinchwad from the 11-12 November, 2009 as part of the SUMA program. The training will cover various aspects of Mass Transit modes, and focus on Bus Rapid Transit Planning steps such as demand analysis, corridor selection, business structure, stakeholder involvement, integration, and other key aspects of a BRT system. Resource persons for the course will be Ms. Shreya Gadepalli (ITDP), Mr. Santhosh Kodukula (GTZ), Mr. Abhijit Lokre (CEPT), Mr. Maulik Shah (CEPT). The expected participants for the course are policy-makers, urban planners, transport planners, designers and also various other stakeholders who are working in the area of Mass transit/BRT planning. Interested participants will need to send in their name, affiliation and contact details to Mr. Santhosh Kodukula (santhosh.kodukula@sutp.org This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it ) latest by 09th November 2009. The draft agenda for the course can be downloaded from http://www.sutp.org/documents/BRT-2D-PCMC.pdf ***Program and Venue Updated*** SUTP Team From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Nov 12 21:24:23 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:24:23 +0100 Subject: [sustran] 'Bike On, Bike Off' Trains in Philippines for Greener Transport Message-ID: <4AFBFE77.6070304@greenidea.eu> 'Bike On, Bike Off' Trains in Philippines for Greener Transport http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news69691.html?mxmroi=6221777/2363251/false The Philippines' Light Rail Authority has launched a new green initiative that asks drivers to ride foldable bikes to reach railway stations, take trains and bike off towards their destinations. The new 'Bike On, Bike Off' project allows folding bike users to enter the station and use the light rail system any time, without any additional charge for the folding bikes. Bike users can keep their bikes in the reserved last coach of any train, called the "green zone", while they travel by train. The initiative is aimed at reducing pollution and congestion on roads from cars. The project covers the Baclaran-Monumento Line 1 and the Recto-Santolan Line 2 of the light rail system. -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Autostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) From yanivbin at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 00:34:44 2009 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:04:44 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Delhi commuters unhappy with Metro fare hike Message-ID: <86b8a7050911120734n3c5f2203v40fb2568dddb7cdc@mail.gmail.com> This is what linking the BMTC tkt fares to BMRCL will mean in Bangalore http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a92372.html *Delhi commuters unhappy with Metro fare hike* New Delhi, Nov 11 Unhappy and helpless - that's how the commuters felt after Delhi Metro announced hike in its fares Wednesday. As the hike came just a week after the state-run city bus service increased fares, a number of people said it was a double whammy and will hit them hard. *Delhi Metro's 36 percent hike in fares has come after a gap* of five years and will be effective from Friday. It follows increases in state-run Delhi Transport Corporation (DTC) increased its bus fares last week, irking commuters. On an average, over 850,000 people commute daily by Delhi Metro. For most commuters who take the Metro everyday, the hike means a leap in their daily expenses, which is certain to burn a hole in their pockets. Arindam Mohanty, a daily commuter, said the hike means an additional expenditure of Rs.400 on travel. "The hike may not seem too drastic for those taking the Metro occasionally, but for people like me who take the Metro daily for work this means a lot. I will now have to spend an additional Rs.400 just on travel by the Metro," Mohanty told IANS. Similarly, Ananya Sharma, a college goer, said the Metro fare hike will put a squeeze on her monthly pocket money. "I take the bus and then the Metro to go to college in north Delhi from my home in south. With the bus fare hike, I had started spending double the amount of money than I used to earlier on commuting. Now with theMetro fare hike, this will increase by at least another Rs.300," Sharma said. "I get a fixed amount of pocket money for the month and if my expenditure on just commuting increases so much, I will have to cut down on other things. I just don't know how to," she added. The Delhi Metro Rail Corporation (DMRC) announced Wednesday that the minimum fare (0-2 km) will be increased from Rs.6 to Rs.8, while the maximum fare (over 39 km) will be increased from Rs.22 to Rs.30. The rest of the slabs will also increase accordingly. On an average, over 850,000 people commute daily by Delhi Metro. Rashi Jain, a school teacher who travels from Dwarka to Pragati Maidan everyday, said: "For me the fare hike will mean that my daily expenditurejust on travel by the Metro increases from Rs.44 to Rs.60, which really pinches me." "However, having said that with the kind of services that the Metro provides - despite the recent glitches - it is a boon and a fare hike for its better maintenance and expansion is fair," Jain admitted. Ankit Jain, who works in a private firm, capped it all by saying: "The price of everything - be it the bus fare, now Metro fare and even veggies - is increasing. The only thing that is not is our salaries! At this rate, I will be spending all that I earn and saving will become a far fetched dream". Last updated on Nov 11th, 2009 at 17:33 pm IST--IANS From yanivbin at gmail.com Fri Nov 13 15:03:14 2009 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:33:14 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Stimulus for bus makers takes a curious turn Message-ID: <86b8a7050911122203l769ce773g6f13084edcbbad80@mail.gmail.com> http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Stimulus-for-bus-makers-takes-a-curious-turn/539903/ *Stimulus for bus makers takes a curious turn* Praveen Kumar Singh, Yogima Seth Posted online: Nov 11, 2009 at 0226 hrs *New Delhi*It was a key element of the fiscal stimulus package unveiled in January, but seems to have got lost in translation. To draw down rising inventories of commercial vehicles, the Centre had announced a Rs 4,735-crore package for states to buy 15,000 buses for urban transport under the Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission. But the urban development ministry?s technical specifications for these buses and states? desire for high-tech features have meant that instead of ridding itself of inventories, the industry is now trying to scale up capacity. The net effect?the Centre is being forced to extend the deadline for the buses? delivery further to March 2010 from the rescheduled date of December 31, 2009. ?Car sales have improved, but commercial vehicles are picking up slowly. Most of the 63 cities have asked for low-floor buses, as they are good-looking and high-tech, irrespective of whether they are suitable for local roads. The industry is still developing the capacity to supply such buses, so their delivery will take more time,? heavy industries secretary Satyanarayana Dash told FE. ?The stimulus measure envisaged the purchase of standard conventional buses. As a result, bus suppliers like Ashok Leyland and Tata Motors, which had enough capacity for standard buses, are now developing capacity for low-floor buses. So it won?t be possible for them to supply the buses before March 31, 2010,? Dash said. Ironically, the Society of Indian Automobile Manufacturers (Siam) had alerted the urban development ministry about the industry?s capacity constraints on low-floor buses as early as February. Yet, the final guidelines for the buses issued by the ministry asked for high-tech ultra low-floor (400 mm height) and semi low-floor buses (650-700 mm height). Though standard buses, with a floor height of 850-900 mm, were also included, the other technical specifications by the urban development ministry meant even those couldn?t be delivered fast. Most of the additional features are standard features in ultra low-floor buses such as audio and video cameras, vehicle tracking system and integrated common controls. From Rs 20 lakh a bus, standard buses that meet these tech specs cost over Rs 30 lakh while low-floor buses cost between Rs 45 lakh and Rs 60 lakh. ?The buses being ordered by the states are of all types, low-floor, semi low-floor and conventional. Within the broad categories, each state and very often cities within states have their unique specifications,?a Tata Motors spokesperson told FE. ?Tata Motors has requisite capacity and the company, in any case, is acting with alacrity to deliver the buses,? the spokesperson added. According to the latest data, over 11,000 buses have been ordered with various manufacturers under the JNNURM?over 7,000 are standard buses, while the rest are in the low-floor category. Of these, a mere 1,500 buses have been delivered till October, with several hundred standard buses ready but languishing due to confusion over specifications. ?We are ramping up production at Alwar by 50% from 200 units a month to 300 units a month as well as start manufacturing 200 buses a month at our luxury buses facility near Tiruchirapalli to cater to the demand from southern states,? Rajiv Saharia, executive director (marketing), Ashok Leyland, said. While major players are scurrying to scale up low-floor capacities, passenger carriers? sales continue to see negative growth. According to Siam, sales of medium and heavy passenger carriers declined by 13.1% at 3,424 units in September 2009 against 3,938 units sold in last September. Sales of light passenger carriers or mini-buses also declined marginally at 2,360 units vis-?-vis 2,384 units in September last year. On behalf of the industry, Siam has asked the ministry to further extend the delivery period, in the light of a varying range of specifications to be met. From edelman at greenidea.eu Sat Nov 14 01:14:42 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:14:42 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Thailand Approves Four Rail Routes Message-ID: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> Thailand's Council of Economic Ministers has approved a $3.36bn (THB112bn) plan to build four high-speed train routes in the country. http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news69747.html?mxmroi=6221777/2371807/false The plan forms part of the recently submitted $44bn(THB1.47tr) plan by the transport ministry to upgrade the national railways. The newly approved projects include rail lines linking Bangkok with the northern province of Chiang Mai, the northeastern province of Nong Khai, the eastern province of Chan-tha-bu-ri and Padang Besar, a town located at the northern part of Perlis state in Malaysia. Work will be carried out from 2010 to 2013. The transport ministry has been directed to start by developing a feasibility study and investment plan for a rail route linking Bangkok and the eastern province of Ra-yong as the pilot project. -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity. From aquaboi924 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 13:16:13 2009 From: aquaboi924 at yahoo.com (Jojo Guevarra) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:16:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sustran] Re: 'Bike On, Bike Off' Trains in Philippines for Greener Transport In-Reply-To: <4AFBFE77.6070304@greenidea.eu> References: <4AFBFE77.6070304@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <577403.96749.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Todd, thanks for the post. It was my group, University of the Philippines Mountaineers, who spearheaded that project in cooperation with the LRTA. Our group also started 'Padyak' (meaning 'to pedal') in the University of the Philippines. Padyak rents bikes to students for the entire semester for a minimal fee. The aim was to encourage a healthier lifestyle and a switch to more sustainable forms of transport inside the uni and awareness for climate changes issues in general. It has been doing quite well but we're always looking for funding to expand it. Any lead, do let me know. In the Bike - O2 (Bike On- Bike Off), folding bikes allowed are limited to 16" wheels for now...maybe 20" will be allowed in the future if all goes well. Cheers, Jo ________________________________ From: "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" To: Sustran Resource Centre ; Editors Carbusters Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 8:24:23 PM Subject: [sustran] 'Bike On, Bike Off' Trains in Philippines for Greener Transport 'Bike On, Bike Off' Trains in Philippines for Greener Transport http://www.railway-technology.com/news/news69691.html?mxmroi=6221777/2363251/false The Philippines' Light Rail Authority has launched a new green initiative that asks drivers to ride foldable bikes to reach railway stations, take trains and bike off towards their destinations. The new 'Bike On, Bike Off' project allows folding bike users to enter the station and use the light rail system any time, without any additional charge for the folding bikes. Bike users can keep their bikes in the reserved last coach of any train, called the "green zone", while they travel by train. The initiative is aimed at reducing pollution and congestion on roads from cars. The project covers the Baclaran-Monumento Line 1 and the Recto-Santolan Line 2 of the light rail system. -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Autostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From yanivbin at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 17:27:40 2009 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:57:40 +0530 Subject: [sustran] New York is closing down its roads to cars! Message-ID: <86b8a7050911150027p12c8feb2te02ade466df74f1@mail.gmail.com> http://www.theurbanvision.com/blogs/?p=280 *New York is closing down its roads to cars!* Posted By *Prathima Manohar* On November 8, 2009 @ 10:51 am In *Mobility* | *No Comments * In a move that is likely to have a dramatic ripple affect on thinking on Urban Renewal across the globe- New York City is closing down some of its major roads to cars. A program titled [1] ?Green Light for Midtown? has turned lanes of Broadway in Times Square and Herald Square into pedestrian zones. The ambitious pilot program is aimed at reducing traffic congestion and improving safety at targeted locations. According to New York?s Department of Transport - 356,000 pedestrians walk through Times Square each day. And even though there are 4.5 times as many people as vehicles in Times and Herald Squares - only 11% of the space was allocated for pedestrians. As a result, Broadway at Times Square averages 137% more pedestrian crashes than at other avenues in the area. The result of the program is truly fantastic. Times Square which was once full of chaotic car traffic is now a public square.The leader behind this transformation is the charismatic and dynamic Janette Sadik-Khan, Commisioner of the New York?s Department of Transportation. I had a chance to interview the Commissioner and I predict that she is soon going to join the assembly of some of the world?s most legendary urbanists for the pioneering programs she is leading in the city.?PlaNYC agenda, which is our sustainability agenda, calls for us to design strategies to help New York be the biggest, greenest city on the planet.? She said. ?21st century cities need to understand that sustainability and mobility are twin sides, of the same coin.? She added.Today, Transport Sector contributes to around a quarter of energy use & related greenhouse gas emissions that have led to Climate Change. But, while other sectors have managed to reduce their energy use and related emissions; the transport sector emissions have been consistently increasing. Reducing energy use in the transport sector is among the most challenging tasks in Climate Change Mitigation. So it is exciting to see New York, arguably the most important city of the world taking on such bold steps towards dealing with one of the most challenging urban development issues of our times. Ps: Look out for Janette Sadik-Khan?s interview in ?Urban Vision 101 ?, which is an audio interview series , that will be available on the brand new TUV website we are launching shortly. [image: Times Square] Times Square From joshirutul at yahoo.co.in Sun Nov 15 18:08:52 2009 From: joshirutul at yahoo.co.in (Rutul Joshi) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:38:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [sustran] India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking day' in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible wrong elements. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? best, Rutul. Rutul Joshi, Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 www.spcept.ac.in Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From edelman at greenidea.eu Sun Nov 15 18:42:09 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:42:09 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> Hi Rutul, Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds - T Rutul Joshi wrote: > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking day' in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible wrong elements. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > best, > Rutul. > > > Rutul Joshi, > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > www.spcept.ac.in > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From yanivbin at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 21:36:38 2009 From: yanivbin at gmail.com (Vinay Baindur) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:06:38 +0530 Subject: [sustran] [HasiruUsiru] Metro Rail planned in major Indian cities In-Reply-To: <7acbb8170911150245n51ad03bcq6e7a9190ece1fd9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7acbb8170911150245n51ad03bcq6e7a9190ece1fd9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86b8a7050911150436y23d4a0gaec061256bdfacf9@mail.gmail.com> http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=Metro+Rail+planned+in+major+Indian+cities&artid=85UgLKeijC4=&SectionID=Qz/kHVp9tEs=&MainSectionID=Qz/kHVp9tEs=&SectionName=UOaHCPTTmuP3XGzZRCAUTQ==&SEO=JNNURM Union Urban Development Minister S Jaipal Reddy on Saturday said that the Centre has an ambitious plan to build Metro Rail in all the major cities in India, which have a population of two million people.After flagging off 380 BMTC city buses, Reddy said that for the Bangalore Metro Rail, likely to cost Rs 12,000 crore for the first phase, the Centre is providing 50 pc of financial aid with Rs 6,000 crore under JNNURM through equities, subordinate loans and with a loan from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA). He said the JICA loan is being provided at 1.5 pc interest rate per annum and the re-payment term is for 20 years.Reddy said the financial assistance to procure new buses by the State Transport Undertakings under JNNURM was not originally conceived. ?Later it was added under a special package and grants of Rs 4,723.94 crore to procure new 15,620 buses in 61 cities of India was approved and sanctioned,? he said. He said that the JNNURM had earlier emphasised only on Urban Infrastructure Governance (UIG) and Basic Services to Urban Poor (BSUP). Hence, 80 pc of the JNNURM funds was provided to UIG and 20 pc to BSUP, he added.The minister said that in Bangalore, 40 UIG projects costing Rs 2,798.21 crore, 14 BSUP projects at Rs 510.85 crore and 19,984 dwelling units were sanctioned. ?In Bangalore, a total of 54 projects and 1,000 buses were sanctioned costing Rs 3,550.49 crore,? he said.He said that eight UIG projects at Rs 1,044.92 crore, four BSUP projects at Rs 236.33 crore, 8,134 dwelling units and 150 buses at Rs 49.43 crore in Mysore under JNNURM, all totaling Rs 1,331.68 crore, have also been sanctioned.He added the total approved cost under all four components of JNNURM for Karnataka is Rs 5,652.45 crore, including 137 projects.He urged the government to try and build liveable cities by also maintaining the quality of the environment. The activists of Hasiru Usiru handed a petition to Jaipal Reddy, on the controversial construction of an underpass at Tagore Circle on KR Road taken up by the BBMP with JNNURM funds.The group has opposed the works on the underpass. __._,_.___ From alan at ourpeagreenboat.co.uk Wed Nov 18 01:17:58 2009 From: alan at ourpeagreenboat.co.uk (Alan Howes) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:17:58 -0000 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no sense of humo[u]r! Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( -- Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Cc: info@bosch.com Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial Hi Rutul, Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds - T Rutul Joshi wrote: > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking day' in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible wrong elements. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > best, > Rutul. > > > Rutul Joshi, > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > www.spcept.ac.in > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 04:05:06 2009 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:35:06 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> Message-ID: <8fba064c0911171105v7fe7f097hc018b8c75e8ea083@mail.gmail.com> Dear Alan and Tod, Someone should lodge a complaint with the Advertising Council which is supposed to be a watchdog organization to control offensive and deceptive advertisements. will try to locate some activists working on the noise pollution issue. I didn't find the email ID of the person who wrote about this first - Rutul Joshi from Ahmedabad, but will locate someone who will do the honours. -- Sujit cc: Sudhir Badami, Mumbai On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes wrote: > Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no > sense of humo[u]r! > > Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. > There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is > exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" > markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( > > -- > Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland > email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 > mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan = > ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory > Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Cc: info@bosch.com > Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Hi Rutul, > > Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. > > In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this > theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds > > - T > > Rutul Joshi wrote: > > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking > day' > in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a > sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease > 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible > wrong elements. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above > 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > > > Rutul Joshi, > > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > > www.spcept.ac.in > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn > more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city? Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 04:16:07 2009 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:46:07 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> Message-ID: <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> Sudhir, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU Someone really needs to drag Bosch to court (not just to the Ad Council) for promoting Noise Pollution. Should we forward it to the Ministry for Environment? It sure encourages violation of the Noise Pollution Act -- Sujit On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes wrote: > Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no > sense of humo[u]r! > > Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. > There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is > exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" > markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( > > -- > Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland > email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 > mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan = > ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory > Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Cc: info@bosch.com > Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Hi Rutul, > > Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. > > In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this > theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds > > - T > > Rutul Joshi wrote: > > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking > day' > in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a > sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease > 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible > wrong elements. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above > 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > > > Rutul Joshi, > > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > > www.spcept.ac.in > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn > more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city? Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From joshirutul at yahoo.co.in Wed Nov 18 04:42:54 2009 From: joshirutul at yahoo.co.in (Rutul Joshi) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:12:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <8fba064c0911171105v7fe7f097hc018b8c75e8ea083@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171105v7fe7f097hc018b8c75e8ea083@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <259871.87818.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> Hi Sujit and others, It is great to see that you are sharing the concern. Something should be done about such 'anti-environment' commercials. Though I don't know what and how. It is surprising that these global companies have different standards for different countries! I saw other German Bosch commercials which promote their 'green' products. And here they are getting away with this in India. There are other Bosch India commercials available on you tube which conveniently present how the cars and their accessories help to dominate the roads. Rutul. ________________________________ From: Sujit Patwardhan To: Alan Howes Cc: Sudhir Badami ; info@bosch.com; sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Sent: Wed, 18 November, 2009 12:35:06 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial Dear Alan and Tod, Someone should lodge a complaint with the Advertising Council which is supposed to be a watchdog organization to control offensive and deceptive advertisements. will try to locate some activists working on the noise pollution issue. I didn't find the email ID of the person who wrote about this first - Rutul Joshi from Ahmedabad, but will locate someone who will do the honours. -- Sujit cc: Sudhir Badami, Mumbai On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes wrote: > Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no > sense of humo[u]r! > > Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. > There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is > exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" > markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( > > -- > Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland > email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 > mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan = > ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory > Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Cc: info@bosch.com > Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Hi Rutul, > > Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. > > In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this > theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds > > - T > > Rutul Joshi wrote: > > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking > day' > in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a > sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease > 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible > wrong elements. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above > 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > > > Rutul Joshi, > > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > > www.spcept.ac.in > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn > more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city? Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Now, send attachments up to 25MB with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/photos From edelman at greenidea.eu Wed Nov 18 07:04:37 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:04:37 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B031DF5.4060807@greenidea.eu> Hi all, I think we have their attention... *"Adding comments has been disabled for this video." now appears at the You Tube link. - T *Sujit Patwardhan wrote: > > > Sudhir, > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > Someone really needs to drag Bosch to court (not just to the Ad > Council) for promoting Noise Pollution. Should we forward it to the > Ministry for Environment? It sure encourages violation of the Noise > Pollution Act > -- > Sujit > > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes > > wrote: > > Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans > had no > sense of humo[u]r! > > Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in > India. > There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, > that is > exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing > country" > markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( > > -- > Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland > email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > > tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 > mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > @list.jca.apc.org > > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan > =ourpeagreenboat.co.uk > @list.jca.apc.org > ] > On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory > Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > Cc: info@bosch.com > Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Hi Rutul, > > Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German > television. > > In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on > this > theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds > > - T > > Rutul Joshi wrote: > > Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no > honking day' > in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such > initiatives a > sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. > > This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease > 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the > possible > wrong elements. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU > > > > Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise > pollution above > 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > > > Rutul Joshi, > > Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, > > CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. > > Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 > > www.spcept.ac.in > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India > Mail. Learn > more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used > inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > (the 'Global South'). > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join > the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus > on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city? > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujitjp@gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From sutp at sutp.org Wed Nov 18 15:10:12 2009 From: sutp at sutp.org (SUTP Team) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:40:12 +0530 Subject: [sustran] MoUD, UMTC, LTA, CEPT and GTZ will conduct a one day specialised course on Transportation Demand Management Message-ID: <4B038FC4.40502@sutp.org> Various cities in India are making great efforts in improving their existing transport infrastructure with innovative technologies, modern transport systems and shifting focus towards sustainable modes of transportation such as Mass transit and Non-Motorised Transport. While most of these efforts are addressing the supply side issues of transportation, there is great work that is required in understanding and implementing demand management strategies. To address the above issues, GTZ jointly with the Ministry of Urban Development (MoUD), Institute of Urban Transport (IUT), Urban Mass Transit Company (UMTC), Centre for Environment Planning and Technology (CEPT), LTA Academy, Singapore, will organise a 1-day training course/workshop on ?Transportation Demand Management (TDM)? on the 02 December 2009 as a pre-event to the IUT/MoUD conference. The event will be held at Terrace Suite, 1st Floor, The Ambassador Hotel, Sujan Singh Park (Near Khan Market), New Delhi. Various national and international experts from the partnering organisations will bring forward their experiences in the form of discussions and presentations during this one-day event. All the participants will receive soft copies of the presentations and also a hard copy of the GTZ document on "Transportation Demand Management". There is no participation fee for the course and all the participants will be served coffee and lunch at the course. For the draft agenda: http://www.sutp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1795&Itemid=1&lang=uk More information can be had by sending an email to Mr. Santhosh Kodukula : santhosh.kodukula@sutp.org From carlosfpardo at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 00:51:53 2009 From: carlosfpardo at gmail.com (Carlosfelipe Pardo) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:51:53 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20091118/f455bab4/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Nov 19 01:20:41 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:20:41 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B041ED9.7030204@greenidea.eu> Recently, some German companies have pulled out of activities which they would probably not be able to do on German soil (e.g. some mega hydropower projects). So, with that as a starting point, I wonder if the German-India Chamber of Commerce (or something like that) can be contacted or even shamed about this. Perhaps someone reading has relevant contacts in Germany and/or India and can say something... - T Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > We can also flag the video as inappropriate in youtube... > > Sujit Patwardhan wrote: >> Sudhir, >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU >> >> Someone really needs to drag Bosch to court (not just to the Ad Council) for >> promoting Noise Pollution. Should we forward it to the Ministry for >> Environment? It sure encourages violation of the Noise Pollution Act >> -- >> Sujit >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no >>> sense of humo[u]r! >>> >>> Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. >>> There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is >>> exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" >>> markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( >>> >>> -- >>> Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland >>> email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk >>> tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 >>> mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org >>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan = >>> ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] >>> On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory >>> Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 >>> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >>> Cc: info@bosch.com >>> Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial >>> >>> Hi Rutul, >>> >>> Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. >>> >>> In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this >>> theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds >>> >>> - T >>> >>> Rutul Joshi wrote: >>> >>>> Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking >>>> >>> day' >>> in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a >>> sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. >>> >>>> This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease >>>> >>> 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible >>> wrong elements. >>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU >>>> >>>> Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above >>>> >>> 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? >>> >>>> best, >>>> Rutul. >>>> >>>> >>>> Rutul Joshi, >>>> Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, >>>> CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. >>>> Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 >>>> www.spcept.ac.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn >>>> >>> more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ >>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >>>> >>> -- >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Todd Edelman >>> Green Idea Factory >>> >>> Urbanstr. 45 >>> D-10967 Berlin >>> Germany >>> >>> Skype: toddedelman >>> Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 >>> >>> edelman@greenidea.eu >>> www.greenidea.eu >>> www.flickr.com/photos/edelman >>> >>> CAR* is over. If you want it. >>> >>> "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" >>> - B. Brecht (with slight modification) >>> >>> * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, >>> opportunistically or without creativity >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>> (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de Thu Nov 19 01:28:56 2009 From: hertel at zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christof Hertel) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:28:56 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B041ED9.7030204@greenidea.eu> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> <4B041ED9.7030204@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <4B0420C8.2010801@zedat.fu-berlin.de> I wrote yesterday to the CSR Department of Bosch to find out about how this complies with their CSR-policy. No response yet Best Christof Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory schrieb: > Recently, some German companies have pulled out of activities which they > would probably not be able to do on German soil (e.g. some mega > hydropower projects). > > So, with that as a starting point, I wonder if the German-India Chamber > of Commerce (or something like that) can be contacted or even shamed > about this. Perhaps someone reading has relevant contacts in Germany > and/or India and can say something... > > - T > > > Carlosfelipe Pardo wrote: > >> We can also flag the video as inappropriate in youtube... >> >> Sujit Patwardhan wrote: >> >>> Sudhir, >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU >>> >>> Someone really needs to drag Bosch to court (not just to the Ad Council) for >>> promoting Noise Pollution. Should we forward it to the Ministry for >>> Environment? It sure encourages violation of the Noise Pollution Act >>> -- >>> Sujit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Alan Howes wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for that Todd - brilliant! And I always thought Americans had no >>>> sense of humo[u]r! >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, I find it entirely believable that such ads work in India. >>>> There is an appalling UK motorheads' TV programme called Top Gear, that is >>>> exceptionally popular in India and a load of other "developing country" >>>> markets - makes the Beeb a pile in export earnings. :-( >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alan Howes, Dunblane, Perthshire, Scotland >>>> email: alan@ourpeagreenboat.co.uk >>>> tel: +44 (0)1786 822974 >>>> mobile: +44 (0)7952 464335 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+alan=ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org >>>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+alan = >>>> ourpeagreenboat.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory >>>> Sent: 15 November 2009 09:42 >>>> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >>>> Cc: info@bosch.com >>>> Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial >>>> >>>> Hi Rutul, >>>> >>>> Bosch could NEVER get away with an advert like that on German television. >>>> >>>> In 2007, the satirical Onion publication came up with something on this >>>> theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgkHQp8Pds >>>> >>>> - T >>>> >>>> Rutul Joshi wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Few days ago, some enthusiasts in Ahmedabad initiated the 'no honking >>>>> >>>>> >>>> day' >>>> in the city. While some people are trying hard to make such initiatives a >>>> sucess, the TV commercials preach something else all together. >>>> >>>> >>>>> This TV commercial 'promotes' honking as a powerful way to ease >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 'congestion'! From start to the end - this commercial has all the possible >>>> wrong elements. >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzJFp6tfKU >>>>> >>>>> Majority of the roads in metro cities in India have noise pollution above >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 80 decibels. Shouldn't such commercials be banned? >>>> >>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> Rutul. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rutul Joshi, >>>>> Lecturer, Faculty of Planning and Public Policy, >>>>> CEPT University, Ahmedabad - 380 009. >>>>> Contact: +91-79-26302470-134(ext.) Mob: +91-99240 76451 >>>>> www.spcept.ac.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn >>>>> >>>>> >>>> more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> >>>>> ================================================================ >>>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Todd Edelman >>>> Green Idea Factory >>>> >>>> Urbanstr. 45 >>>> D-10967 Berlin >>>> Germany >>>> >>>> Skype: toddedelman >>>> Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 >>>> >>>> edelman@greenidea.eu >>>> www.greenidea.eu >>>> www.flickr.com/photos/edelman >>>> >>>> CAR* is over. If you want it. >>>> >>>> "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" >>>> - B. Brecht (with slight modification) >>>> >>>> * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, >>>> opportunistically or without creativity >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to >>>> http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real >>>> sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >>>> >>>> ================================================================ >>>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >>>> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries >>>> (the 'Global South'). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hertel.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 287 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20091118/0f9edd82/hertel.vcf From kanthikannan at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:35:20 2009 From: kanthikannan at gmail.com (Kanthi Kannan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:05:20 +0530 Subject: [sustran] FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial Message-ID: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> Dear all Greetings!! I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally satisfied and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My feeling many of you might not share it). Regards Kanthi Kannan THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote pedestrian indiscipline. The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." From vissu.indian at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:40:29 2009 From: vissu.indian at gmail.com (Gantasala Visweswara Rao) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:10:29 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Very Convincing... --Vissu. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Vissu Support Akshaya patra: Unlimited food for education ( http://www.akshayapatra.org/donate.html) Every small contribution makes a difference. From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 14:51:18 2009 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:21:18 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8fba064c0911182151k33a9d855q62faf7763c44b0f0@mail.gmail.com> Sorry Kanthi, Not at all convincing. If you are NOT a car driver and stuck in a traffic jam what do you do? Justifying blowing the horn (in a manacing manner anyway) implies you agree with the law of the jungle. It is a warning to non-car users to get out of the way or else !! If all are suck in a jam why should any one move aside and make way for the car? No one moves out of the way for a cyclist or a pedestrian and Sustainable Transportation Vision is trying to change precisely this outdated attitude/vision. The explanation given by the Advertising Agency is nothing but an excuse to our continuing to accept Car Domination. Sorry doesn't cut any ice with me. -- Sujit On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city? Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From MPai at wri.org Thu Nov 19 15:02:39 2009 From: MPai at wri.org (Madhav Pai) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:02:39 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <8fba064c0911182151k33a9d855q62faf7763c44b0f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <8fba064c0911182151k33a9d855q62faf7763c44b0f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E2E1971BCEC1459149FBB1A4B4342C0641CD2D@wricsex029330.WRI.CRM.Local> I completely agree with Sujit. Will these cars back off and make way for pedestrians if they use an equally annoying horn (I don't recommend doing it). The response is based on their extremly car-centric view of the World. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill it seems, what about the beautiful humans that she plans runover if they don't yeild to her Bosch horn. Madhav -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+mpai=wri.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+mpai=wri.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Sujit Patwardhan Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:21 AM To: Kanthi Kannan Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial Sorry Kanthi, Not at all convincing. If you are NOT a car driver and stuck in a traffic jam what do you do? Justifying blowing the horn (in a manacing manner anyway) implies you agree with the law of the jungle. It is a warning to non-car users to get out of the way or else !! If all are suck in a jam why should any one move aside and make way for the car? No one moves out of the way for a cyclist or a pedestrian and Sustainable Transportation Vision is trying to change precisely this outdated attitude/vision. The explanation given by the Advertising Agency is nothing but an excuse to our continuing to accept Car Domination. Sorry doesn't cut any ice with me. -- Sujit On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. > Please do go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am > personally satisfied and feel that there is no need to take this up at > a different level. ( My feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All > Bosch products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it > what the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to > promote pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver > would encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a > heated argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, > without intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady > driver in the commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to > block the road and her path. The volatility of the situation in the > commercial is what makes the young lady choose to stay in her car and > not put herself at any personal risk. Her conspicuous, brightly > colored car at a standstill, she waits, hoping they will notice her > clear the road, giving her right of way. They don't. She looks > helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- "..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city" Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). From sunny.enie at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 15:16:39 2009 From: sunny.enie at gmail.com (Sunny Kodukula) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:46:39 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. those were my 2 cents cheers sunny On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > Greetings!! > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From sguttikunda at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 15:45:14 2009 From: sguttikunda at gmail.com (Sarath Guttikunda) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:15:14 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <683ba1ca0911182245n54f36b6ag2b51c8a4e2ae2e4a@mail.gmail.com> Good points. I can only quote one example, close to my residence in Delhi. Along the BRT lane, there is a provision for the cyclists, 2 meter lane, which is a great idea. As you get close to the Chirag Dili flyover (from north), because of the increasing congestion at the junction, the traffic management decided to convert at least 200m of the cycle lane into a left only lane for the motor vehicles. Which is also fine, helps with the congestion and speed up the left turns (India - we drive on the left side). Now, the annoying thing is when car drivers honk at the cycles and cycle rickshaws who are in the lane and obviously going slower than them.. drivers get annoyed at their presence. And I get annoyed at the drivers honking !! So, two questions.. (1) driver's indiscipline when given an opportunity to use a section which does not belong to them and (2) when did a plan for promoting NMT become an excuse for road expansion? With regards, Sarath (Not a Car Owner) -- Sarath Guttikunda New Delhi, India Phone: +91 9891 315 946 @ http://www.urbanemissions.info @ http://www.dri.edu/People/Sarath.Guttikunda/ On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sunny Kodukula wrote: > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > those were my 2 cents > > cheers > sunny > > From kanthikannan at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 16:18:27 2009 From: kanthikannan at gmail.com (Kanthi Kannan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:48:27 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety Message-ID: <4b04f154.0e0bca0a.030e.0ba5@mx.google.com> Dear all Greetings!! Any idea as to who is representing India in the First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety. Thanks and Regards Kanthi Kannan THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK From joshirutul at yahoo.co.in Thu Nov 19 18:44:28 2009 From: joshirutul at yahoo.co.in (Rutul Joshi) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:14:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <496326.93821.qm@web8401.mail.in.yahoo.com> I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless woman' is stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid of obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from Bosch...when there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she is not afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I do not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' card. What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no fear, no obstacles' philosophy here? One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other approved auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It is always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable in cities. Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. but is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have to exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, I think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same commercial in their European market? best, Rutul. PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, all the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they out-number the car horns? ________________________________ From: Sunny Kodukula To: Kanthi Kannan Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. those were my 2 cents cheers sunny On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > Greetings!! > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > -------------------------------------------------------- To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss -------------------------------------------------------- If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. ================================================================ SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore From sudhir at cai-asia.org Thu Nov 19 19:06:04 2009 From: sudhir at cai-asia.org (Sudhir) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:06:04 +0800 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <496326.93821.qm@web8401.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> <496326.93821.qm@web8401.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Rutal excellent discussions an eye for an eye would make everybody blind :-) yes, first we need to look at our own Noise pollution standards.. many countries still don't have one yet..... Even in India for mixed landuse we don't have anything for them. In India we have them for industrial, commercial and residential areas. Latest ambient air quality standards propose uniform standards across the city - why different for noise? people trying to improve accessibility live next to roads - paying huge rentals, living in 60-100 db noise and breathing most polluted air..... SG 2009/11/19 Rutul Joshi > I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. > Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless woman' is > stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid of > obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from Bosch...when > there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she is not > afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which > aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I do > not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' card. > What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no fear, > no obstacles' philosophy here? > > One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other approved > auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a > motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It is > always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable in > cities. > > Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. but > is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have to > exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, I > think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as > cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double > standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same commercial in > their European market? > > best, > Rutul. > > PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, all > the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they > out-number the car horns? > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sunny Kodukula > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > those were my 2 cents > > cheers > sunny > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- Sudhir Gota Transport Specialist CAI-Asia Center Unit 3510, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City Metro Manila, Philippines 1605 Tel: +63-2-395-2843 Fax: +63-2-395-2846 http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia Skype : sudhirgota From sunny.enie at gmail.com Thu Nov 19 19:48:52 2009 From: sunny.enie at gmail.com (Sunny Kodukula) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:18:52 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> <496326.93821.qm@web8401.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B052294.5010601@googlemail.com> Yes Sudhir you are right about the eye for an eye. Then dont you think that these vehicles are moving in the areas where there is a standard. Then the next question is will we consider the individual vehicle db for standard or the ambient value as you point out for air. It will surely be a nice idea to remove all the air horns and the fancy three step horns which are mounted on most of the two wheelers (and cars too) which scare the cyclists off their pedals. I beg to differ on the last point you mention it is not just people living next to road but also people who live in gated residential communities. I am a victim of loud noise in a residential area far from the main road. This time it is not only the horn but loud music too which make my window panes shiver (this is in Delhi). cheers sunny On 19/11/09 3:36 PM, Sudhir wrote: > Dear Rutal > > excellent discussions > > an eye for an eye would make everybody blind :-) > > yes, first we need to look at our own Noise pollution standards.. many > countries still don't have one yet..... Even in India for mixed landuse we > don't have anything for them. In India we have them for industrial, > commercial and residential areas. Latest ambient air quality standards > propose uniform standards across the city - why different for noise? > > people trying to improve accessibility live next to roads - paying huge > rentals, living in 60-100 db noise and breathing most polluted air..... > > SG > > > 2009/11/19 Rutul Joshi > > > I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. > > Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless woman' is > > stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid of > > obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from Bosch...when > > there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she is not > > afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which > > aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I do > > not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' card. > > What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no fear, > > no obstacles' philosophy here? > > > > One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other approved > > auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a > > motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It is > > always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable in > > cities. > > > > Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. but > > is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have to > > exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, I > > think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as > > cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double > > standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same commercial in > > their European market? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, all > > the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they > > out-number the car horns? > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Sunny Kodukula > > To: Kanthi Kannan > > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM > > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > > > those were my 2 cents > > > > cheers > > sunny > > > > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > > do > > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > satisfied > > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > > her > > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. > > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Nov 19 01:08:26 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:08:26 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> References: <4AFD85F2.4010209@greenidea.eu> <529364.25915.qm@web8402.mail.in.yahoo.com> <4AFFCCF1.1020502@greenidea.eu> <000001ca67a1$87a67870$96f36950$@co.uk> <8fba064c0911171116r2a8c70bbme5586064c60141c9@mail.gmail.com> <4B041819.5000406@gmail.com> Message-ID: <039001ca6869$5ee08e30$1ca1aa90$@britton@ecoplan.org> >> We can also flag the video as inappropriate in youtube<< No no. Please don't do that. The video is (horribly!) appropriate and we need to have it out there for all to see. Over at World Streets we are trying to follow up on this, and I personally and professionally believe that a combination of humor and perspective will go a long way. This is an object lesson in the fundamental contradictions that wrack our poor planet, and we should not just erase it as if the causes were not there. What we say in these cases is, give them plenty of rope. So that they can hang themselves. Let them continue to speak out. And let us speak out ourselves. Kind wishes, Eric Britton PS. Also and finally, le us not lose sight that a shop like Bosch has enormous technology potential in areas which are important for new mobility and sustainability. So let's see if we can nudge them in the right direction. (More than nudge actually but all that for another day). From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Nov 19 17:21:33 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:21:33 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <016701ca68f1$501a5330$f04ef990$@britton@ecoplan.org> >>"Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products.. . . << May I kindly have the exact source of these excellent (read, incredible) words? It is the exact attitude that I wish to chart. We are giving this quite some attention over on World Streets. Regards,ericbritton From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Thu Nov 19 17:31:50 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:31:50 +0100 Subject: [sustran] women who are doing outstanding work In-Reply-To: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <017401ca68f2$c3d45f90$4b7d1eb0$@britton@ecoplan.org> We are trying to develop a strong female quorum in support of our work program and lobbying effort in support of sharper transport/climate actions. And a significant part of this has to do with our string of projects on sharing in transport, of which if you are interested you can see the draft website for the first such project at www.kaohsiung.sharetransport.org. So if you are female please get in touch. And if you know women who are doing outstanding work in our shared fields of interest, we would be most grateful is you would agree to put us in touch with them. We need more strong female participation and leadership at all levels. (Including in Sustran by the way.) Kin thanks. Regards.ericbritton PS. World Streets on sharing http://tinyurl.com/ws-sharing - And on female leadership - http://tinyurl.com/ws-women The New Mobility Agenda cid:image001.jpg@01C8DAF3.F7EBC130 Technology transforms time and space . . . and our minds New Mobility Partnerships - http://www.newmobility.org & check out World Streets -- www.Worldstreets.org Europe: 8/10 rue Joseph Bara, 75006 Paris, France T: +331 4326 1323 or +339 7044 4179 Skype: ericbritton -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 12184 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20091119/6afb02dc/attachment.jpe From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Nov 19 21:46:09 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:46:09 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Another car* ad you may have seen, surprisingly it may be legal Message-ID: <4B053E11.8090503@greenidea.eu> Hi, I was looking up advert standards in the UK and realised that this Mitsubishi Colt advert shown on Greek TV (Mark Lobjoit posted it on the New Mobility Cafe list earlier in the week) would very likely not be illegal in the UK because a - It is not reality pictured, but a fantasy land and b - the speed limit referred to is "100" but it is not explicitly kph or mph.... . (This advert was very expensive so I assume it was not done just for many European markets -- the ending text is "While Speedville is a fantasy, the Mitsubishi Colt is real". I am actually not sure if car* adverts produced for the UK or Ireland are used in mainland Europe because of different driving position). ASA code "11.9.1 Rules for all advertising No advertisement may encourage or condone dangerous, inconsiderate or irresponsible driving or motorcycling Note: This does not prevent flamboyant driving in scenes which are clearly fantasy or ?theatrical? so that the action is distanced from reality (eg scenes of driving mayhem in trailers for action films). 11.9.2 Automotive advertising Advertisements for cars, motorbikes or other automotive products must not: a) encourage or condone fast or irresponsible driving nor b) refer to speeds over 70mph nor..." http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/codes/tv_code/tv_codes/Section+11+-+Other+Categories+New.htm -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From morten7an at yahoo.com Thu Nov 19 21:50:30 2009 From: morten7an at yahoo.com (Morten Lange) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:50:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [sustran] First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was Re: Road Safety] In-Reply-To: <4b04f154.0e0bca0a.030e.0ba5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <126756.20907.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed tomorrow http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf looks promising : 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, including through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging alternative forms of transportation; Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our current patterns. How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns of buy and throw away etc. Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there are better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring to mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? Best Regards, Morten --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > From: Kanthi Kannan > Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 > > Dear all > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > Any idea as to who is representing India in the First > Global Ministerial > Conference on Road Safety. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT > WALK > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership > rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a > focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > From edelman at greenidea.eu Thu Nov 19 22:21:53 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:21:53 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was Re: Road Safety] In-Reply-To: <126756.20907.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <126756.20907.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B054671.9070405@greenidea.eu> One point out of eleven? It should be the main point. Indeed, as Morten points out, the other points cement our current patterns.... See here: http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/en/ ... in what I will call (generously) an "Old Mobility +" philosophy, which is mainly about consciously doing very little to stop the private car* industry from suffering in the slightest. In fact it is the private car* industry which stands firmly behind a lot of their programming and throws money around, polluting the agenda of otherwise fine sustainable mobility organisations. --- "We will make fewer and fewer private cars*" suggested a more controversial participant in the conference as a slogan to come out of the conference. Her fellow attendees laughed hard at her, but then gave her a bike helmet and some paint to create some crosswalks in her town --- - T Morten Lange wrote: > Hi > > Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. > > The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed tomorrow > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf > looks promising : > > 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, including through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging alternative forms of transportation; > > Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our current patterns. > > > How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns of buy and throw away etc. > > Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there are better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring to mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? > > > > Best Regards, > Morten > > > --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > >> From: Kanthi Kannan >> Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety >> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >> Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 >> >> Dear all >> >> >> >> >> >> Greetings!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Any idea as to who is representing India in the First >> Global Ministerial >> Conference on Road Safety. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks and Regards >> >> >> Kanthi Kannan >> >> >> >> >> >> THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT >> WALK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss >> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership >> rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of >> people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a >> focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >> >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 02:02:05 2009 From: patwardhan.sujit at gmail.com (Sujit Patwardhan) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:32:05 +0530 Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial In-Reply-To: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> References: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8fba064c0911190902s6488616bg741f858b6d70e0a8@mail.gmail.com> Kanthi, Can you please forward Email of the Advertising Agency and if possible their postal address too? Let's see if they continue to use the same belligerent tone if they are hauled up by the Advertising Standards Council of India (ASCI) for "inappropriate" advertising. -- Sujit On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to destroy the city? Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel Munich 1970 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sujit Patwardhan patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com sujitjp@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India Tel: +91 20 25537955 Cell: +91 98220 26627 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Parisar: www.parisar.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From edelman at greenidea.eu Fri Nov 20 03:52:09 2009 From: edelman at greenidea.eu (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:52:09 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was Re: Road Safety] In-Reply-To: <4B054671.9070405@greenidea.eu> References: <126756.20907.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4B054671.9070405@greenidea.eu> Message-ID: <4B0593D9.3070708@greenidea.eu> Here are some excerpts from the BBC report about the event... * "Some of the world's poorest countries are to receive a cash injection of ?1.5m from the UK government to help improve road safety.[...] The funding will pay for pedestrian crossings and better road markings. " * "Former UK Defence Secretary Lord Robertson, who is chairman of the global Make Roads Safe campaign, said the conference must 'signal a change of direction'. '*We know how to make roads safe: better road design and speed management; helmets and seatbelts; police enforcement*,' he said. 'We have the *vaccines* for this epidemic, now we need the political will for a decade of action for road safety.'" Nothing about point 5 from the PDF Morten sent earlier... maybe more info will show up in a press release. ?1.5m represents 1% of a new contract to "...provide weapon sights and targeting devices to the U.K. Ministry of Defense" and about .00005 % of total UK military spending in 2009/10 Silliness. The UK representatives who are responsible should be forced to crawl home from Moscow. WHO needs to be honest and call this the "Keep on Drivin'" campaign. - T p.s. The radical who proposed the earlier statement about making less cars was also given a reflective vest with a happy face on it. * *Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory wrote: > One point out of eleven? It should be the main point. Indeed, as Morten > points out, the other points cement our current patterns.... > > See here: > > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/en/ > > ... in what I will call (generously) an "Old Mobility +" philosophy, > which is mainly about consciously doing very little to stop the private > car* industry from suffering in the slightest. In fact it is the private > car* industry which stands firmly behind a lot of their programming and > throws money around, polluting the agenda of otherwise fine sustainable > mobility organisations. > > --- "We will make fewer and fewer private cars*" suggested a more > controversial participant in the conference as a slogan to come out of > the conference. Her fellow attendees laughed hard at her, but then gave > her a bike helmet and some paint to create some crosswalks in her town --- > > - T > > > Morten Lange wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. >> >> The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed tomorrow >> http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf >> looks promising : >> >> 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, including through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging alternative forms of transportation; >> >> Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our current patterns. >> >> >> How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns of buy and throw away etc. >> >> Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there are better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring to mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? >> >> >> >> Best Regards, >> Morten >> >> >> --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: >> >> >> >>> From: Kanthi Kannan >>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety >>> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org >>> Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 >>> >>> Dear all >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Greetings!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Any idea as to who is representing India in the First >>> Global Ministerial >>> Conference on Road Safety. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks and Regards >>> >>> >>> Kanthi Kannan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT >>> WALK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss >>> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership >>> rights. >>> >>> ================================================================ >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of >>> people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a >>> focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >>> >>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). >> >> >> > > > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Green Idea Factory Urbanstr. 45 D-10967 Berlin Germany Skype: toddedelman Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 edelman@greenidea.eu www.greenidea.eu www.flickr.com/photos/edelman CAR* is over. If you want it. "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" - B. Brecht (with slight modification) * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, opportunistically or without creativity From adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com Fri Nov 20 21:47:03 2009 From: adhiraj.joglekar at googlemail.com (Dr Adhiraj Joglekar) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:47:03 +0000 Subject: [sustran] Re: India car horn advert Message-ID: I too disagree with the view of the advertiser expressed through a cleverly worded e-mail. A good advert generally appeals to the emotional brain of the end user. A product often is sold not on basis of logic but how its imprinted on our mind. If we go back 10 years and recollect which adverts come to our mind, its likely the most absurd, funny and / or irrelevant ones will crop up. A coffee advert with girls in a bikini!! (MR Coffee). Can the advert maker explain why a bunch of people / mob was chosen in the advert. How commonly in India are cars stalled by pedestrians as against jams caused by other vehicles? Would it not have been prudent then (if logic was used) to show a helpless lady driver in a traffic jam using her horn to bull doze through the jam? The ad-makers use metophorical language more than rationality. I have not seen this advert but the metaphor here is that 'a car = power'. In a socio-political system where the common man feels helpless and powerless at every turn, the seat behind the steering wheel amazingly is one place where we think we are in full control. Since you have contact with the people who commissioned this advert, perhaps you may want to consider sending them the collection of our responses. Adhiraj www.driving-india.blogspot.com 2009/11/20 > Send Sustran-discuss mailing list submissions to > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sustran-discuss-request@list.jca.apc.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sustran-discuss-owner@list.jca.apc.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Sustran-discuss digest..." > > > ######################################################################## > Sustran-discuss Mailing List Digest > > IMPORTANT NOTE: When replying please do not include the whole digest in > your reply - just include the relevant part of the specific message that you > are responding to. 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Another car* ad you may have seen, surprisingly it may be > legal (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) > 15. First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was Re: > Road Safety] (Morten Lange) > 16. Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was > Re: Road Safety] (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) > 17. Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial (Sujit Patwardhan) > 18. Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety [was > Re: Road Safety] (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:05:20 +0530 > From: "Kanthi Kannan" > Subject: [sustran] FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: > Message-ID: <4b04d928.0d0bca0a.03e8.095f@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please do > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > pedestrian indiscipline. > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and her > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:10:29 +0530 > From: Gantasala Visweswara Rao > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Kanthi Kannan , > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Very Convincing... > --Vissu. > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan >wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > Vissu > > Support Akshaya patra: Unlimited food for education ( > http://www.akshayapatra.org/donate.html) > Every small contribution makes a difference. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:21:18 +0530 > From: Sujit Patwardhan > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > <8fba064c0911182151k33a9d855q62faf7763c44b0f0@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Sorry Kanthi, > > Not at all convincing. > > If you are NOT a car driver and stuck in a traffic jam what do you do? > Justifying blowing the horn (in a manacing manner anyway) implies you agree > with the law of the jungle. It is a warning to non-car users to get out of > the way or else !! > > If all are suck in a jam why should any one move aside and make way for the > car? No one moves out of the way for a cyclist or a pedestrian and > Sustainable Transportation Vision is trying to change precisely this > outdated attitude/vision. > > The explanation given by the Advertising Agency is nothing but an excuse to > our continuing to accept Car Domination. > > Sorry doesn't cut any ice with me. > > -- > Sujit > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan >wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city? > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujitjp@gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:02:39 -0500 > From: "Madhav Pai" > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: "Sujit Patwardhan" , "Kanthi Kannan" > > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > > <46E2E1971BCEC1459149FBB1A4B4342C0641CD2D@wricsex029330.WRI.CRM.Local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I completely agree with Sujit. Will these cars back off and make way for > pedestrians if they use an equally annoying horn (I don't recommend > doing it). The response is based on their extremly car-centric view of > the World. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill it > seems, what about the beautiful humans that she plans runover if they > don't yeild to her Bosch horn. > > Madhav > > -----Original Message----- > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+mpai=wri.org@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+mpai = > wri.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf > Of Sujit Patwardhan > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 11:21 AM > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Sorry Kanthi, > > Not at all convincing. > > If you are NOT a car driver and stuck in a traffic jam what do you do? > Justifying blowing the horn (in a manacing manner anyway) implies you > agree with the law of the jungle. It is a warning to non-car users to > get out of the way or else !! > > If all are suck in a jam why should any one move aside and make way for > the car? No one moves out of the way for a cyclist or a pedestrian and > Sustainable Transportation Vision is trying to change precisely this > outdated attitude/vision. > > The explanation given by the Advertising Agency is nothing but an excuse > to our continuing to accept Car Domination. > > Sorry doesn't cut any ice with me. > > -- > Sujit > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan > wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. > > Please do go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am > > personally satisfied and feel that there is no need to take this up at > > > a different level. ( My feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All > > Bosch products comply with the highest environmental standards > worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it > > what the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to > > promote pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver > > would encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a > > > heated argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, > > without intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady > > driver in the commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to > > block the road and her path. The volatility of the situation in the > > commercial is what makes the young lady choose to stay in her car and > > not put herself at any personal risk. Her conspicuous, brightly > > colored car at a standstill, she waits, hoping they will notice her > > clear the road, giving her right of way. They don't. She looks > > helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is certainly not a > case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > > real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > > countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > "..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment to > destroy the city" > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujitjp@gmail.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:46:39 +0530 > From: Sunny Kodukula > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <4B04E2C7.8020209@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > those were my 2 cents > > cheers > sunny > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:15:14 +0530 > From: Sarath Guttikunda > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Sunny Kodukula > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > <683ba1ca0911182245n54f36b6ag2b51c8a4e2ae2e4a@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Good points. > > I can only quote one example, close to my residence in Delhi. > > Along the BRT lane, there is a provision for the cyclists, 2 meter lane, > which is a great idea. As you get close to the Chirag Dili flyover (from > north), because of the increasing congestion at the junction, the traffic > management decided to convert at least 200m of the cycle lane into a left > only lane for the motor vehicles. > > Which is also fine, helps with the congestion and speed up the left turns > (India - we drive on the left side). Now, the annoying thing is when car > drivers honk at the cycles and cycle rickshaws who are in the lane and > obviously going slower than them.. drivers get annoyed at their presence. > And I get annoyed at the drivers honking !! > > So, two questions.. (1) driver's indiscipline when given an opportunity to > use a section which does not belong to them and (2) when did a plan for > promoting NMT become an excuse for road expansion? > > With regards, > Sarath > (Not a Car Owner) > > -- > Sarath Guttikunda > New Delhi, India > Phone: +91 9891 315 946 > @ http://www.urbanemissions.info > @ http://www.dri.edu/People/Sarath.Guttikunda/ > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Sunny Kodukula >wrote: > > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > > > those were my 2 cents > > > > cheers > > sunny > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:48:27 +0530 > From: "Kanthi Kannan" > Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety > To: > Message-ID: <4b04f154.0e0bca0a.030e.0ba5@mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Dear all > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > Any idea as to who is representing India in the First Global Ministerial > Conference on Road Safety. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:14:28 +0530 (IST) > From: Rutul Joshi > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <496326.93821.qm@web8401.mail.in.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. > Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless woman' is > stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid of > obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from Bosch...when > there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she is not > afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which > aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I do > not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' card. > What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no fear, > no obstacles' philosophy here? > > One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other approved > auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a > motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It is > always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable in > cities. > > Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. but > is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have to > exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, I > think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as > cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double > standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same commercial in > their European market? > > best, > Rutul. > > PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, all > the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they > out-number the car horns? > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sunny Kodukula > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > those were my 2 cents > > cheers > sunny > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Greetings!! > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > -------------------------------------------------------- > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:06:04 +0800 > From: Sudhir > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Rutul Joshi > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear Rutal > > excellent discussions > > an eye for an eye would make everybody blind :-) > > yes, first we need to look at our own Noise pollution standards.. many > countries still don't have one yet..... Even in India for mixed landuse we > don't have anything for them. In India we have them for industrial, > commercial and residential areas. Latest ambient air quality standards > propose uniform standards across the city - why different for noise? > > people trying to improve accessibility live next to roads - paying huge > rentals, living in 60-100 db noise and breathing most polluted air..... > > SG > > > 2009/11/19 Rutul Joshi > > > I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. > > Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless woman' > is > > stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid of > > obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from Bosch...when > > there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she is > not > > afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which > > aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I do > > not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' > card. > > What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no > fear, > > no obstacles' philosophy here? > > > > One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other approved > > auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a > > motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It is > > always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable in > > cities. > > > > Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. but > > is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have to > > exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, I > > think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as > > cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double > > standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same commercial > in > > their European market? > > > > best, > > Rutul. > > > > PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, all > > the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they > > out-number the car horns? > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Sunny Kodukula > > To: Kanthi Kannan > > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM > > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like a > > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way with > > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car behind > > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting people > > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > > > those were my 2 cents > > > > cheers > > sunny > > > > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. > Please > > do > > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > satisfied > > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( > My > > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All > Bosch > > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it > what > > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver > would > > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > > her > > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes > the > > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any > personal > > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. > They > > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! 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Learn > how. > > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > Sudhir Gota > Transport Specialist > CAI-Asia Center > Unit 3510, 35th Floor, Robinsons-Equitable Tower, > ADB Avenue, Ortigas Center, Pasig City > Metro Manila, Philippines 1605 > Tel: +63-2-395-2843 > Fax: +63-2-395-2846 > http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia > Skype : sudhirgota > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:18:52 +0530 > From: Sunny Kodukula > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Sudhir > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <4B052294.5010601@googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Yes Sudhir you are right about the eye for an eye. Then dont you think > that these vehicles are moving in the areas where there is a standard. > Then the next question is will we consider the individual vehicle db for > standard or the ambient value as you point out for air. > > It will surely be a nice idea to remove all the air horns and the fancy > three step horns which are mounted on most of the two wheelers (and cars > too) which scare the cyclists off their pedals. > > I beg to differ on the last point you mention it is not just people > living next to road but also people who live in gated residential > communities. I am a victim of loud noise in a residential area far from > the main road. This time it is not only the horn but loud music too > which make my window panes shiver (this is in Delhi). > > cheers > sunny > > On 19/11/09 3:36 PM, Sudhir wrote: > > Dear Rutal > > > > excellent discussions > > > > an eye for an eye would make everybody blind :-) > > > > yes, first we need to look at our own Noise pollution standards.. many > > countries still don't have one yet..... Even in India for mixed landuse > we > > don't have anything for them. In India we have them for industrial, > > commercial and residential areas. Latest ambient air quality standards > > propose uniform standards across the city - why different for noise? > > > > people trying to improve accessibility live next to roads - paying huge > > rentals, living in 60-100 db noise and breathing most polluted air..... > > > > SG > > > > > > 2009/11/19 Rutul Joshi > > > > > I agree with Sunny, Madhav and Sujit. > > > Let me draw your attention to the voice overs when the 'helpless > woman' is > > > stuck in front of 'the mob(!)'. The voice over says, "I am not afraid > of > > > obstacles" and the male voice, " zero compromise horns from > Bosch...when > > > there is no compromise, there is no fear!" She blows horn because she > is not > > > afraid of 'obstacles'! It is an outright pro-honking commercial which > > > aggressively potrays the priority of car-users over the pedestrians. I > do > > > not think that anyone can legitimize it by using the 'helpless woman' > card. > > > What is zero-compromise horns, btw? And what is this portrayal of 'no > fear, > > > no obstacles' philosophy here? > > > > > > One can also not buy the argument that horns are like all other > approved > > > auto products with high environmental standards. Everything fixed on a > > > motorized vehicle may be 'approved' but not necessarily harmless. It > is > > > always the thousand horns blowing at a time, which make life miserable > in > > > cities. > > > > > > Finally, it is never about one commercial or this commercial per say. > but > > > is always about how 'just' are we. We understand that advertisers have > to > > > exaggerate things but we also bane cigarette commercials. Personally, > I > > > think horn commercials are as contagious, powerful and anti-social as > > > cigarette commercials and they should be banned. There are also double > > > standards here on the company's part. Would they have the same > commercial in > > > their European market? > > > > > > best, > > > Rutul. > > > > > > PS: As an awareness campaign, I would borrow Madhav's idea. One day, > all > > > the pedestrians in the city should move around with horns! Would they > > > out-number the car horns? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Sunny Kodukula > > > To: Kanthi Kannan > > > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > > Sent: Thu, 19 November, 2009 11:46:39 AM > > > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > > > > > > Sorry Kanthi, I am not satisfied and when a pedestrian is treated like > a > > > moving "thing" on the street (not even a road) which will make way > with > > > sound, this is really sad and also not treating other humans alike, > > > forget the animals that's another story for the blue cross. > > > > > > I like the word pedestrian "indiscipline", if the people walk on roads > > > it is indiscipline and cars go in the middle of two lanes it is > > > perfectly fine. Our cities we try to control the people who cross the > > > roads at grade than trying to control the cars that do not stick to > > > lanes. Anyway, Who is Bosch to decide what pedestrian indiscipline is! > > > > > > The lady in the commercial always had the option to leave her car > behind > > > and walk in the "narrow" street. So Bosch is actually supporting > people > > > driving cars in narrow streets and also to honk. > > > > > > those were my 2 cents > > > > > > cheers > > > sunny > > > > > > > > > On 19/11/09 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. > Please > > > do > > > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > > satisfied > > > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different > level. ( My > > > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All > Bosch > > > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is > it what > > > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to > promote > > > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver > would > > > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a > heated > > > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, > without > > > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in > the > > > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road > and > > > her > > > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what > makes the > > > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any > personal > > > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she > waits, > > > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of > way. They > > > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It > is > > > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! 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Learn > how. > > > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the > real > > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing > countries > > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:08:26 +0100 > From: "Eric Britton" > Subject: [sustran] Re: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: "'Carlosfelipe Pardo'" , "'Sujit > Patwardhan'" > Cc: 'Sudhir Badami' , > sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <039001ca6869$5ee08e30$1ca1aa90$@britton@ecoplan.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >> We can also flag the video as inappropriate in youtube<< > > > > No no. Please don't do that. > > > > The video is (horribly!) appropriate and we need to have it out there for > all to see. > > > > Over at World Streets we are trying to follow up on this, and I personally > and professionally believe that a combination of humor and perspective will > go a long way. This is an object lesson in the fundamental contradictions > that wrack our poor planet, and we should not just erase it as if the > causes > were not there. > > > > What we say in these cases is, give them plenty of rope. So that they can > hang themselves. > > > > Let them continue to speak out. And let us speak out ourselves. > > > > Kind wishes, > > > > Eric Britton > > > > PS. Also and finally, le us not lose sight that a shop like Bosch has > enormous technology potential in areas which are important for new mobility > and sustainability. So let's see if we can nudge them in the right > direction. (More than nudge actually but all that for another day). > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:21:33 +0100 > From: "Eric Britton" > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: "'Sunny Kodukula'" , "'Kanthi Kannan'" > > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <016701ca68f1$501a5330$f04ef990$@britton@ecoplan.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > >>"Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products.. . . << > > May I kindly have the exact source of these excellent (read, incredible) > words? It is the exact attitude that I wish to chart. > > We are giving this quite some attention over on World Streets. > > Regards,ericbritton > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:31:50 +0100 > From: "Eric Britton" > Subject: [sustran] women who are doing outstanding work > To: > Message-ID: <017401ca68f2$c3d45f90$4b7d1eb0$@britton@ecoplan.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > We are trying to develop a strong female quorum in support of our work > program and lobbying effort in support of sharper transport/climate > actions. > And a significant part of this has to do with our string of projects on > sharing in transport, of which if you are interested you can see the draft > website for the first such project at www.kaohsiung.sharetransport.org. > > > > So if you are female please get in touch. And if you know women who are > doing outstanding work in our shared fields of interest, we would be most > grateful is you would agree to put us in touch with them. > > > > We need more strong female participation and leadership at all levels. > (Including in Sustran by the way.) > > > > Kin thanks. > > > > Regards.ericbritton > > > > PS. World Streets on sharing http://tinyurl.com/ws-sharing - And on > female leadership - http://tinyurl.com/ws-women > > > > > > > > The New Mobility Agenda > > cid:image001.jpg@01C8DAF3.F7EBC130 > > Technology transforms time and space > > . . . and our minds > > > > New Mobility Partnerships - http://www.newmobility.org > > > & check out World Streets -- www.Worldstreets.org > > > Europe: 8/10 rue Joseph Bara, 75006 Paris, France > > T: +331 4326 1323 or +339 7044 4179 Skype: ericbritton > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 12184 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20091119/6afb02dc/attachment-0001.jpe > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:46:09 +0100 > From: "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" > Subject: [sustran] Another car* ad you may have seen, surprisingly it > may be legal > To: LotsLessCars@yahoogroups.com, Global 'South' Sustainable > Transport > > Cc: Joachim Bergerhoff , lobjoit@gmail.com > Message-ID: <4B053E11.8090503@greenidea.eu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I was looking up advert standards in the UK and realised that this > Mitsubishi Colt advert shown on Greek TV > (Mark Lobjoit posted it on > the New Mobility Cafe list earlier in the week) would very likely not be > illegal in the UK because a - It is not reality pictured, but a fantasy > land and b - the speed limit referred to is "100" but it is not > explicitly kph or mph.... . (This advert was very expensive so I assume > it was not done just for many European markets -- the ending text is > "While Speedville is a fantasy, the Mitsubishi Colt is real". I am > actually not sure if car* adverts produced for the UK or Ireland are > used in mainland Europe because of different driving position). > > ASA code > > "11.9.1 Rules for all advertising > > No advertisement may encourage or condone dangerous, inconsiderate or > irresponsible driving or motorcycling > > Note: > > This does not prevent flamboyant driving in scenes which are clearly > fantasy or ?theatrical? so that the action is distanced from reality (eg > scenes of driving mayhem in trailers for action films). > > 11.9.2 Automotive advertising > > Advertisements for cars, motorbikes or other automotive products must not: > > a) encourage or condone fast or irresponsible driving nor > > b) refer to speeds over 70mph nor..." > > > http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/codes/tv_code/tv_codes/Section+11+-+Other+Categories+New.htm > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:50:30 -0800 (PST) > From: Morten Lange > Subject: [sustran] First Global Ministerial Conference on Road Safety > [was Re: Road Safety] > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: <126756.20907.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi > > Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial > Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. > > The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed tomorrow > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf > looks promising : > > 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, including > through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging alternative forms > of transportation; > > Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our current > patterns. > > > How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it > gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the > ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other > transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side > effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, > inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns > of buy and throw away etc. > > Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there are > better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring to > mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? > > > > Best Regards, > Morten > > > --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > > From: Kanthi Kannan > > Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety > > To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > > Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idea as to who is representing India in the First > > Global Ministerial > > Conference on Road Safety. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT > > WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > > to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership > > rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > > people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a > > focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:21:53 +0100 > From: "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" > Subject: [sustran] Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road > Safety [was Re: Road Safety] > To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > > Message-ID: <4B054671.9070405@greenidea.eu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > One point out of eleven? It should be the main point. Indeed, as Morten > points out, the other points cement our current patterns.... > > See here: > > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/en/ > > ... in what I will call (generously) an "Old Mobility +" philosophy, > which is mainly about consciously doing very little to stop the private > car* industry from suffering in the slightest. In fact it is the private > car* industry which stands firmly behind a lot of their programming and > throws money around, polluting the agenda of otherwise fine sustainable > mobility organisations. > > --- "We will make fewer and fewer private cars*" suggested a more > controversial participant in the conference as a slogan to come out of > the conference. Her fellow attendees laughed hard at her, but then gave > her a bike helmet and some paint to create some crosswalks in her town --- > > - T > > > Morten Lange wrote: > > Hi > > > > Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial > Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. > > > > The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed > tomorrow > > > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf > > looks promising : > > > > 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, > including through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging > alternative forms of transportation; > > > > Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our > current patterns. > > > > > > How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it > gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the > ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other > transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side > effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, > inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns > of buy and throw away etc. > > > > Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there are > better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring to > mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > Morten > > > > > > --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > > > > > >> From: Kanthi Kannan > >> Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety > >> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > >> Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 > >> > >> Dear all > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Greetings!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Any idea as to who is representing India in the First > >> Global Ministerial > >> Conference on Road Safety. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> > >> > >> Kanthi Kannan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT > >> WALK > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > >> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership > >> rights. > >> > >> ================================================================ > >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > >> people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a > >> focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:32:05 +0530 > From: Sujit Patwardhan > Subject: [sustran] Re: FW: India - Bosch Horn commercial > To: Kanthi Kannan > Cc: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > Message-ID: > <8fba064c0911190902s6488616bg741f858b6d70e0a8@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Kanthi, > > Can you please forward Email of the Advertising Agency and if possible > their > postal address too? > > Let's see if they continue to use the same belligerent tone if they are > hauled up by the Advertising Standards Council of India (ASCI) for > "inappropriate" advertising. > > -- > Sujit > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Kanthi Kannan >wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > Greetings!! > > > > > > > > I have contacted the ad agency and here is what they have to say. Please > do > > go through it and check whether it is acceptable. I am personally > > satisfied > > and feel that there is no need to take this up at a different level. ( My > > feeling many of you might not share it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kanthi Kannan > > > > > > > > THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT WALK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Horns are approved standard equipment in all auto products. All Bosch > > products comply with the highest environmental standards worldwide. > > Indiscriminate honking is not a practice Bosch encourages. Nor is it what > > the Bosch Horns TVC promotes. As much as it does not seek to promote > > pedestrian indiscipline. > > > > The commercial reflects (and possibly exaggerates) what any driver would > > encounter on any given day in most busy city streets: a mob in a heated > > argument in the middle of a narrow road, blocking all traffic, without > > intending to do so. Clearly the mob before the young lady driver in the > > commercial do not pay her any heed and a continue to block the road and > her > > path. The volatility of the situation in the commercial is what makes the > > young lady choose to stay in her car and not put herself at any personal > > risk. Her conspicuous, brightly colored car at a standstill, she waits, > > hoping they will notice her clear the road, giving her right of way. They > > don't. She looks helpless. As a last resort she blows her horn. It is > > certainly not a case of indiscriminate honking." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > > http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > > > > ================================================================ > > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > > (the 'Global South'). > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ?..each million we invest into urban motorways is an investment > to destroy the city? > > Mayor Hans Joachim Vogel > Munich 1970 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Sujit Patwardhan > patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com > sujitjp@gmail.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yamuna, ICS Colony, Ganeshkhind Road, Pune 411 007, India > Tel: +91 20 25537955 > Cell: +91 98220 26627 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Parisar: www.parisar.org > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:52:09 +0100 > From: "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" > Subject: [sustran] Re: First Global Ministerial Conference on Road > Safety [was Re: Road Safety] > To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > , sminkeyl@who.int, > traffic@who.int > Message-ID: <4B0593D9.3070708@greenidea.eu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Here are some excerpts from the BBC report about the event... > > > > * "Some of the world's poorest countries are to receive a cash injection > of ?1.5m from the UK government to help improve road safety.[...] The > funding will pay for pedestrian crossings and better road markings. " > > * "Former UK Defence Secretary Lord Robertson, who is chairman of the > global Make Roads Safe campaign, said the conference must 'signal a > change of direction'. > > '*We know how to make roads safe: better road design and speed > management; helmets and seatbelts; police enforcement*,' he said. > > 'We have the *vaccines* for this epidemic, now we need the political > will for a decade of action for road safety.'" > > Nothing about point 5 from the PDF Morten sent earlier... maybe more > info will show up in a press release. > > ?1.5m represents 1% of a new contract to "...provide weapon sights and > targeting devices to the U.K. Ministry of Defense" > < > http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2009/September/Pages/UKMilitarySpendingontheRise,SaysMODOfficial.aspx > > > and about .00005 % of total UK military spending in 2009/10 > < > http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/Organisation/KeyFactsAboutDefence/DefenceSpending.htm > > > > Silliness. The UK representatives who are responsible should be forced > to crawl home from Moscow. WHO needs to be honest and call this the > "Keep on Drivin'" campaign. > > - T > > p.s. The radical who proposed the earlier statement about making less > cars was also given a reflective vest with a happy face on it. > > > * *Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory wrote: > > One point out of eleven? It should be the main point. Indeed, as Morten > > points out, the other points cement our current patterns.... > > > > See here: > > > > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/en/ > > > > ... in what I will call (generously) an "Old Mobility +" philosophy, > > which is mainly about consciously doing very little to stop the private > > car* industry from suffering in the slightest. In fact it is the private > > car* industry which stands firmly behind a lot of their programming and > > throws money around, polluting the agenda of otherwise fine sustainable > > mobility organisations. > > > > --- "We will make fewer and fewer private cars*" suggested a more > > controversial participant in the conference as a slogan to come out of > > the conference. Her fellow attendees laughed hard at her, but then gave > > her a bike helmet and some paint to create some crosswalks in her town > --- > > > > - T > > > > > > Morten Lange wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> Good idea to keep an eye on that conference, First Global Ministerial > Conference on Road Safety in Moscow, today and tomorrow 20.november. > >> > >> The following point on the agenda of the declaration to be singed > tomorrow > >> > http://www.who.int/roadsafety/ministerial_conference/declaration_en.pdf > >> looks promising : > >> > >> 5. Begin to implement safer and more sustainable transportation, > including through land-use planning initiatives and by encouraging > alternative forms of transportation; > >> > >> Many other are traditional and partly can contribute to cement our > current patterns. > >> > >> > >> How can we who "have ssen the light" best guide this initiative as it > gathers strength to not repeat the mistakes of the north, which the > ministers seem set to forget : A grand motorisation of urban and other > transport and creating of barriers for an active lifestyle, with side > effects like a worsening public health due to inactivity and pollution, > inefficient transportation systems, sprawling cities, increasing patterns > of buy and throw away etc. > >> > >> Instead of looking to the rich countries for solutions, I guess there > are better models being developed in the South. Curitiba and Bogot? spring > to mind. Which are other good (or better) beacons ? > >> > >> > >> > >> Best Regards, > >> Morten > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 19/11/09, Kanthi Kannan wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: Kanthi Kannan > >>> Subject: [sustran] Re: Road Safety > >>> To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org > >>> Date: Thursday, 19 November, 2009, 7:18 > >>> > >>> Dear all > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Greetings!! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Any idea as to who is representing India in the First > >>> Global Ministerial > >>> Conference on Road Safety. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks and Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> Kanthi Kannan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> THOSE WHO WALK CANNOT DECIDE AND THOSE WHO DECIDE DO NOT > >>> WALK > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >>> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >>> > >>> -------------------------------------------------------- > >>> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss > >>> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership > >>> rights. > >>> > >>> ================================================================ > >>> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > >>> people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a > >>> focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> To search the archives of sustran-discuss visit > >> http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=014715651517519735401:ijjtzwbu_ss > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------- > >> If you get sustran-discuss via YAHOOGROUPS, please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. > >> > >> ================================================================ > >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Green Idea Factory > > Urbanstr. 45 > D-10967 Berlin > Germany > > Skype: toddedelman > Mobile: ++49 0162 814 4081 > > edelman@greenidea.eu > www.greenidea.eu > www.flickr.com/photos/edelman > > CAR* is over. If you want it. > > "Fort mit der Privatautostadt und was Neues hingebaut!" > - B. Brecht (with slight modification) > > * "Car" is a sub-category of automobile, i.e. one used inappropriately, > opportunistically or without creativity > > > > ------------------------------ > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries > (the 'Global South'). > > End of Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 75, Issue 12 > *********************************************** > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri Nov 20 17:13:24 2009 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:13:24 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Mobilicity: Unconference . 21 November 2009. Bangalore Message-ID: <01b701ca69b9$574f1ff0$05ed5fd0$@britton@ecoplan.org> http://bangalore.citizenmatters.in/blogs/show_entry/1555-mobilicity-unconfer ence Imagine Bangalore as a city where it is pleasant and safe to walk to shops, parks, schools, or work. Where streets are safe to cycle on; for children, senior citizens and the physically challenged to cross. Where your work place is easily reachable by bus or rail. Where it is safe to bicycle or walk to the nearest metro station or bus stop. Where buses move quickly in bus lanes and get priority at traffic signals. Where you do not have to shout over traffic noise to have a conversation, and are not suffocated by traffic fumes at congested streets. The key to realising this vision is Sustainable Transport. Join us at the city's first sustainable transportation Unconference! Mobilicity At MobiliCity, a diverse group of citizens and experts will engage in open dialogue, share ideas, and propose forward-looking strategies and solutions for accessible, equitable, efficient and environmentally sustainable transportation in Bangalore. Date: 21 November 2009 Time: 9:30 AM Venue: CiSTUP, IISC Mobilicity is co-hosted by Praja and CiSTUP. To know more about Mobilicity, go to mobilicity.praja.in. Check the FaceBook entry at http://lite.facebook.com/events/Mobilicity/181898268116/