[sustran] Re: Beijing to build "public transport city"
Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory
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Sun Jun 14 16:42:03 JST 2009
Hi Sudhir,
Do you mean 20-25% as a goal by 2020?
Prague has about 25% private car modal share and its pretty darn
horrible. Of course I am not sure how this looks in other much larger
cities but when so much driving is still possible, it is likely that a
lot of people will still have private cars which end up sitting around
most of the time, stored in public space. Stored on streets. A street is
a public space between buildings, but when used for car storage it is
simply a parking lot with a bit of natural activity, and with homes on
the sides. (in addition to businesses and a few other facilities). I
think we need to start asking ourselves why we want to live next to
parking lots.
- T
Sudhir wrote:
> Hi Carlos and others,
>
> Good news is instead of one more ring road at least the investment and
> priority is on public transport.
>
> Now, if they keep up the funding on public transport with good
> investment on non motorized transport and provide incentives, i think
> its a very good move......
>
> The question is how much of private transport share is bearable? i
> would be happy with 20-25% of private mode share in Asian cities with
> proportionate investment in 2020.
>
> In short if they can freeze the current mode share of private
> automobiles (20% in 2004) :-)
>
> best regards
> Sudhir
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/6/13 Carlosfelipe Pardo <carlosfpardo at gmail.com
> <mailto:carlosfpardo at gmail.com>>
>
> Hi,
>
> An interesting question is if they in Beijing expect the future
> public transport users to come from cars or bicycles... this is
> seldom answered (or asked) in any of these schemes and remains a
> problem. In many places I've asked that question and they normally
> say that future bicycle users will come from public transport, or
> the opposite. And when they say that bicycle or public transport
> users will come from cars, they have no idea how this will be
> achieved.
>
> Beijing used to have an extremely high mode share of bicycle use
> some years ago, and it has now fallen to pieces due to the
> "promotion" of cars. So is promoting public transport good or bad
> in this scenario? I mean, will they end up with no one riding
> bicycles and the rest in cars or buses? Not sure if it's the
> win-win situation.
>
> Carlos.
>
> Sudhir wrote:
>
>
> /Beijing has set a target, how about other cities??/
>
>
> see
> http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm
>
> Beijing will transform into a "public transport city" by 2015.
> In peak hours, the minimum departure interval for subway
> trains will be shortened to 2 minutes; the waiting time at bus
> stops will be reduced to 3 to 5 minutes; public transport will
> account for 45 percent of the journeys in downtown areas.
> "Beijing's implementation plan on humanistic, technological
> and green transport" (from 2009 to 2015) was recently reviewed
> and approved by the Standing Committee of CPC Beijing
> Municipal Committee, unveiling the "public transport city".
>
> Beijing will transform into a "public transport city" by 2015.
>
> Public transport will account for 45 percent of the journeys
> in downtown areas
>
> According to the plan, from 2009 to 2015, Beijing will
> construct a new transport system meeting the capital city's
> needs for development, by implementing four major projects
> including rail transit network project.
>
> By then, the public transport will become remarkably more
> attractive. Public transport will account for 45 percent of
> the journeys in downtown areas, while over 50 percent of the
> journeys will be via public transport during the commuting
> period. Rail transit will undertake around 50 percent of total
> passenger traffic of public transport, and the average daily
> passenger flow by rail transit and bus combined will be over
> 25 million; building a transport circle of "1-1-2" hours means
> that the average commuting time within the downtown area will
> be no more than 1 hour, the travel time from the furthest new
> towns to the Fifth Ring Road will be no more than 1 hour, and
> the travel time from Beijing to major cities in the Bohai Bay
> Rim economic region will be less than 2 hours. The total
> amount of major pollutants emitted by vehicles will be lower
> than that in 2008. Read More @
> http://www.beijingdaily.com.cn/beijingnews/200906/t20090612_524515.htm
>
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> Metro Manila, Philippines 1605
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