[sustran] Re: Ex-Bogota Mayor presents his concept of a developed city

[Walter Hook]

Dear Eric, 

Your comments infuriate me, as usual. 

The Metro project in Delhi was discussed for years before anyone in India
had ever heard of Bus Rapid Transit.  Lima's Metro is still a hole in the
ground after decades. Where is our Second Avenue Subway, by the way?  The
MTA has a $1 billion deficit and Wall Street is in freefall.  When do you
think we will build the 2nd Avenue Subway when $700 billion is going to bail
out our banks?  Isn't it time to start looking for cheaper solutions, even
here in 'wealthy' US cities, where a couple billion dollars a mile could go
a whole lot farther with BRT solutions.    

The fight for control of our streets, is, after all, the whole point, no?
By going around the problem on our city streets, you also don't solve the
problem of traffic fatalities, the air pollution, unsafe conditions for
cyclists, etc.   The Delhi BRT system, for all its flaws, wasn't just about
buses, it was about good pedestrian space, organized spaces for vendors, and
good bicycling lanes.  BRT actually got the government to pay attention to
all these problems with their road design. Your solution of going around the
problem is like moving to the suburbs to avoid the problems of the city
rather than fixing the problems in the city.  

Who is saying TransMilenio is better than the best Metro system in the
world?  What is the point of this sort of question?  

Our field is full of distortions and misrepresentations by advocates of one
mode or another.  But have a bit of proportion, Eric.  There is a long
history of metro rail advocates overstating the benefits of their projects,
misrepresenting projected profits, projected demand numbers, convincing
governments in developing countries of the merits of spending taxpayers
money on costly projects that largely benefit a few corporations and a few
wealthy neighborhoods.  If a few BRT advocates have occasionally overstated
their case, they are in very good company.  

I believe some rail advocates were recently arrested in Brazil for paying
bribes, btw.  

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All well and good in theory to build "cheaply". In practice, it can be  
impossible or it can actually take longer to build the cheap solution.  
Have a look at Delhi, the Metro is now far along and the BRT network  
is only now beginning. This delay of benefits to the city while  
fighting for control of the streets or to expropriate land is also a  
form of expense that should be discounted from the lower construction  
costs.

Nor is "flexibility" always a good thing, or even relevant. Somemtimes  
permanence is desired in order to focus development.

Also, one should distinguish between the "best for the money for the  
particular situation at hand" and the "absolute best alternative  
regardless of construction expense". No one can tell me that  
Transmillenio is absolutely better than the best metro systems in the  
world.

I admire Penalosa, but I think BRT advocates overstate their case.

Eric Bruun


Quoting Eric Britton <eric.britton at ecoplan.org>:

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> Wednesday, September 17, 2008
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=136333
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> What makes a difference between a developed city and a backward city is
not
> the quality of expressways, highways or flyovers but that of pedestrian
> streets, bicycle tracks, public parks, water fronts and bus ways for mass
> transit, says Enrique Penalosa, a world renowned urban strategist and
former
> mayor of Bogota, Colombia.
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> Penalosa said this during his presentation in a seminar on organised
> "Sustainable Urban Development & Mobility" which was organised by the City
> District Government Karachi (CDGK) in collaboration with the Clinton
Climate
> Initiative (CCI), a programme of the Clinton Foundation, and SHEHRI-CBE at
a
> local hotel on Tuesday. The objective of this seminar is to provide key
> stakeholders an opportunity to hear about a different and more socially
> inclusive and efficient urban vision, which would improve the quality of
> life and make our cities more competitive.
>
> Penalosa who was the main speaker at the seminar discussed in detail the
> vision of a developed city and gave several practical examples from the
west
> and parts of Asia on how that vision can be materialised.
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> Public parks, pedestrian streets, bicycle tracks and water fronts are
> crucial for a city to be developed, he said. These are the things that
> please people that make them happier and improve the quality of their
lives,
> he added.
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> What makes a difference between a developed city and a backward city is
not
> the quality of highways or elevated expressways but the quality of public
> places, pedestrian streets, and bicycle tracks linked with busways.
>
> "A developed city is one where rich uses public transport. A good city is
a
> city for the poor, elderly and children," said Penalosa. He adds, "20th
> century would be remembered as a disaster in urban history since giving
the
> cities to cars is the biggest mistake we ever made." He further said that
> the developed cities in Europe realised that building roads for cars was a
> big mistake. It was not what they wanted therefore, they built pedestrian
> streets stretching up to hundreds of kilometres.
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> Giving an example of some developed cities, he said most of the advanced
> cities have demolished their highways and expressways. In Boston a highway
> built at a cost of US $24 billion was demolished to construct a waterfront
> and pedestrian and bicycle tracks at both sides of it. He also gave an
> example of an expressway in Seoul that was built with a cost of US $7
> billion and that too had to be demolished to finally convert into a
> beautiful waterfront with wide pedestrian tracks on either side. He also
> mentioned of a 23 km bicycle path in Columbia that is used by thousands of
> people.
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> He also proposed for 1000 km pedestrian network in Karachi and said it
would
> improve people's life and they would be happy. "It would save them some 30
> per cent of their income and people would love to use bicycles to get to
bus
> stands, he said. "In fact New York and London too would love to build
> bicycle tracks but it is too late for them. However, for Karachi it is not
> very late and they can think about it now," he added.
>
> He proposed to build side ways for pedestrians as wide as possible
> especially in the areas near schools. "Cars parked everywhere when there
is
> no space for pedestrians is not what you call development;" he criticised.
> "This is not a democratic thinking," he added. There is huge lack of
> political will and it is telling the poor that the people in cars are more
> important than those on feet or bicycles," he commented.
>
> Building pedestrian streets, bicycle tracks and side ways for the citizens
> coupled with a good public transport system that provide mass transit will
> discourage the use of cars. "Building high velocity roads and elevated
> expressways won't solve the problems of Karachi," he said. "Rapid Bus
> Transit (RBT) is the only solution and is perfectly possible in Karachi,"
he
> proposed. Exclusive busways are needed for mass transit, RBT is more
> flexible than subways and it can be built with low cost, he said.
>
> A good public transport is one with low cost and high frequency, the main
> problem of public transport in Karachi is 'the income of bus
owners/drivers
> depend on per passenger. This is why these buses have created all this
mess
> as they run behind each and every single passenger, pick and drop them
where
> they want. Under RBT the owner is paid on the basis of per kilometre
> therefore the driver doesn't bother whether the bus operates empty or full
> and they do not stop everywhere for passengers thus abide by their timing
> and run at a decent speed. As a result of that the quality of public
> transport service improves.
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> Penalosa further said that TransMillenio has earned great success not only
> in the West but also in Asia. This is the only possibility for Karachi as
> this system can carry 50,000 passengers per hour per kilometre per
> direction. "There can be modern stations where people will pay for their
> tickets at the station so that they can get into and off the bus in
seconds
> and on one ticket they can change two to three buses," he elaborated.
> "Similarly there should be feeder buses to carry people to RBT stations,"
he
> continued. He said that in Karachi the government might have to demolish
> some buildings to construct busways and pedestrians' sideways but it is
> worth it.
>
> Replying to a question he said, this was perfectly possible in Karachi and
> the problem was not of technology or finance. In fact there were
managerial
> problems and lack of political will.
>
> Following the presentation by Penalosa, Oscar Diaz, Sr Director, Institute
> for Transport and Development Policy (ITDP) delivered a talk on "Issues
and
> Challenges of Public Transport and Mobility in Developing Countries". He
> also proposed ways to reduce use of cars from the road. "There should be
car
> free days, additional taxes on gasoline and licenced plates for vehicles
> that will help reduce the number of cars from the roads in peak hours," he
> said.
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> Talking to journalists, Director General Mass Transit Malik Zaheer Ul
Islam
> said that they had already adopted RBT for Karachi and were working on the
> project on priority basis. The work on first three corridors of RBT is
> likely to begin this December, however, according to Penalosa a lot of
> planning and work needs to be done before the launching of RBT or it can
> meet the same fate as it did in Delhi India and thus result in a failure
if
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