[sustran] Re: Social Roads

[Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory]

Hi,

WITH all due respect to Mr Bartlett, it is hard for me to find the 
Sus(tainable) in these recommendations.

eric.britton wrote:
> From: Robert Bartlett [mailto:roadnotes at freenet.de] 
> Sent: Monday, 18 February 2008 16:36
>
> In the circumstances Sudhir describes the new road is a single-mode route
> (faster motorised vehicles). It will damage or destroy several existing
> networks (NMT, low speed MT) and also the existing integration of roads,
> land-use and societies. 
>
> Reducing speed to reduce accidents
WE don't use French on this list, and I would suggest that we also call 
an "accident" a "collision" from now on.
>  may not be an option, if the client wants
> a high-speed road.
>
> In urban areas a coordinated mix of (traffic, land use and social use) for a
> road is becoming seen as desirable even on a small scale- e.g. streetscapes,
> street scenes, dwell areas for people. Felicien Amakpe's research and
> photographs show that rural and semi-urban roads have social and
> non-transport uses, as well transport uses. The argument is that these
> should be included for in a design
>
> A good idea might be for engineers to have a holistic approach to road
> planning and design. Also (as German guidelines recommend) they should make
> sure there are complete networks for every type of road user. 
>   
"HOLISTIC" implies healthy, and "balance" - and the latter term is used 
on and on with a result being that people think that cars are necessary 
in urban areas in order to be inclusive and fair
> The basic problem for designers is that they often don't know what the
> non-transport uses of a road are and they often don't know what the types of
> road user are.
>   
RIGHT
> Road accidents will continue to occur where
> - there is no holistic approach to road planning
> - there are no complete networks for non MT users
> - designers don't allow for non-transport uses 
> - designers don't allow for all types of road user.
>   
ROAD collisions involving cars at least will not continue to occur if 
there are no cars. This is entirely obvious to most readers on this 
list, which is why I take big issue - and risk being told I am being the 
thought police and kicked off this List -  with this fake democracy of 
including everyone on the roads (in cities). Rural situations are a 
different issue of course.

Thanks,
T
> Robert Bartlett 
>
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