[sustran] Re: Sao Paulo trolley catenary

[bruun at seas.upenn.edu]

Todd:

There aren't really options to overhead catenary for long routes. One  
can install batteries or an ICE for use for short distances. Concepts  
involving ground pickup aren't proven reliable yet, especially in snow.

As far as the visual blight from trolley catenary goes, it is minimal.  
There can sometimes be some clutter at an intersection where lines  
cross and turns are made. There is also a good side to the visibility  
of catenary -- it adds a sense of permanence just like rails, and it  
also indicates which roads have frequent service.

Eric Bruun


Quoting "Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory" <edelman at greenidea.info>:

> Hi Walter,
>
> Walter Hook wrote:
>> It has been a largely popular move in sao paulo, though i personally feel it
>> is another example of what frequently happens in politics where instead of
>> setting up some optimal and sensible regulatory structure the govt goes from
>> one extreme of no regulation to another ezxtreme.
> CAN you please tell me how a place free of advertising is "extreme"?
>
>>  same mayor may pull down
>> trolleybus wires because of visual pollution but with less savory impacts on
>> other types of pollution.
> GOOD point, but there are solutions for getting electricity or power
> from things besides overhead lines, for trams... and buses.
>>  Velib deal w Decaux supposedly cut down the total
>> number of billboards by some percentage, making the remaining ones more
>> lucrative.
> LESS of bad thing, if that is true.
>
>>   TransMillenio as an agency now earning half its money from add
>> revenue.
>>
>
> PLEASE refer to Lloyd's email from the other day about public financing
> and don't forget to take your anti-pragmatism/pro-solidarity vitamins.
>
> - T
>
> p.s. Could someone confirm Lloyd's estimate of Velib costing EUR 1
> million to install in Paris? That figure seems low, but, if true, it is
> about half of the price of ONE new tram or light-rail vehicle.
>
> p.p.s. For perspective, this
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FAC_kfir_flight.jpg> is a Colombian
> Air Force Kfir fighter bought used from the Israeli Air Force. The price
> new was 4.5 million dollars.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org at list.jca.apc.org
>> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf
>> Of Lloyd Wright
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:17 PM
>> To: 'Global 'South' Sustainable Transport'; 'WCN list'
>> Subject: [sustran] Sao Paulo bans outdoor advertising
>>
>> Given the recent exchange regarding Paris Velib's proliferation of
>> outdoor advertising, I thought the following article might be of
>> interest.
>>
>> http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9963268
>>
>> Outdoor advertising
>>
>>
>> Visual pollution
>>
>>
>> Oct 11th 2007
>> >From The Economist print edition
>>
> [...]
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