From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Tue May 1 23:54:23 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:54:23 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Rural Police in India tackling women's harassment Message-ID: Dear Gatnet colleagues For your interest: Women at their work place, while commuting in buses or walking on roads or at home are often subjected to harassment. To ascertain such harassment and to take appropriate action, the Pune Rural police is all set to conduct a survey armed with a questionnaire. Read more at http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=234135 Best wishes Kate Kate Czuczman IFRTD Secretariat kate.czuczman@ifrtd.org Dgroups is a joint initiative of Bellanet, DFID, Hivos, ICA, IICD, OneWorld, UNAIDS --- You are currently subscribed to gatnet as: eric.britton@ecoplan.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-gatnet-181845K@dgroups.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070501/6128f578/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.info Wed May 2 08:29:07 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 01:29:07 +0200 Subject: [sustran] BBRT - Bikes on BRT Message-ID: <4637CD43.8000600@greenidea.info> Hi, I think it is clear to most of us that combining BRT with bicycles creates a better replacement for cars than either by itself, and there are of course other advantages besides replacement mobility. While the biggest piece of pubic transport and bicycle intermodality is bicycle parking, and it is good if shared bicycles are also considered, the ability to take one's own bike on PT is also useful. The bicycle on bus front rack is used in hundreds of systems in the USA and Canada.... *From Hampton Roads Transit, Virginia (Flash): ** From the Port Authority of Allegheny County *(*Windows Media Player;* Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and surroundings): * From Charlotte, North Carolina (Real Player, click on ?view demo?): * ... and each rack costs less than one bus tyre, but this would not work on Transmillenio-type BRT as the front of the bus is not accessible. SO, it seems like it would be good to be able to take bikes inside the buses (or light rail, metro, etc.) but there could be a problem with space. How about if when a city implements a BRT system (meaning dozens or more new buses, infrastructure, expanded depot, etc) it also buys thousands of FOLDING bikes all at the same time - taking advantage of economies of scale - and then sells to these bikes to its riders at or near cost? (Or less than cost with subsidies). There could also be payment plans, where technologically possible. What do people think? Could you all let me know what prices would be acceptable to purchase bikes in various cities? Thanks, T -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net From spicycles at velo.info Tue May 1 01:36:36 2007 From: spicycles at velo.info (SPICYCLES) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:36:36 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Spicycles Mid Term Seminar Message-ID: <88172cb26111a8597006699f001556ba@velo.info> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070430/a2f5fdd7/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: invitation.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 214265 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070430/a2f5fdd7/invitation.pdf From edelman at greenidea.info Wed May 2 22:31:37 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 15:31:37 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Delhi Metro to treble in size in three years Message-ID: <463892B9.5030009@greenidea.info> Delhi Metro to treble in size in three years Delhi Metro has set itself an extremely demanding challenge: to treble the size of the network in time for the Indian capital to host the Commonwealth Games in October 2010. *David Briginshaw *reports from Delhi on how this will be achieved. -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Thu May 3 00:31:36 2007 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:31:36 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Re: BBRT - Bikes on BRT In-Reply-To: <4637CD43.8000600@greenidea.info> References: <4637CD43.8000600@greenidea.info> Message-ID: <4638AED8.9090706@sutp.org> Todd, Your idea sounds pretty good. Regarding folding bikes, I wouldn't really think this is feasible. The cheapest folding bicycle I've seen is 60 euro (in Beijing, almost straight from the dealer), and it didn't seem to be really good quality. Mine was 200 euro and was the cheapest good one. So I think this would be out. However, I would actually encourage the system to buy bikes for the city as a whole, which shoul be given to citizens on a suscription basis (many cities have done this, and Paris has just started a huge project). These bikes can be made locally (you can do a cheap one in Bogot? for around 25 euro, single gear), and will not have the problem of taking up space from inside the bus. If you convince the PT system that this will really increase their catchment area (e.g. the distance from which people will arrive at the station), they may actually pay for the bikes and possibly take care of the operation of the bike-lending... and build safe bicycle parking areas. Other small companies could also take the job of operating the bike-lending. Best regards, Carlos F. Pardo Coordinador de Proyecto- Project Coordinator GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) Cl 93A # 14-17 of 708 Bogot? D.C., Colombia Tel/fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 carlos.pardo@sutp.org www.sutp.org Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory wrote: > Hi, > > I think it is clear to most of us that combining BRT with bicycles > creates a better replacement for cars than either by itself, and there > are of course other advantages besides replacement mobility. While the > biggest piece of pubic transport and bicycle intermodality is bicycle > parking, and it is good if shared bicycles are also considered, the > ability to take one's own bike on PT is also useful. > > The bicycle on bus front rack is used in hundreds of systems in the USA > and Canada.... > > > > *From Hampton Roads Transit, Virginia (Flash): > ** > From the Port Authority of Allegheny County *(*Windows Media Player;* > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and surroundings): > * > From Charlotte, North Carolina (Real Player, click on ?view demo?): > * > > ... and each rack costs less than one bus tyre, but this would not work > on Transmillenio-type BRT as the front of the bus is not accessible. > > SO, it seems like it would be good to be able to take bikes inside the > buses (or light rail, metro, etc.) but there could be a problem with space. > > How about if when a city implements a BRT system (meaning dozens or more > new buses, infrastructure, expanded depot, etc) it also buys thousands > of FOLDING bikes all at the same time - taking advantage of economies of > scale - and then sells to these bikes to its riders at or near cost? (Or > less than cost with subsidies). There could also be payment plans, where > technologically possible. > > What do people think? Could you all let me know what prices would be > acceptable to purchase bikes in various cities? > > Thanks, > T > > -------------------------------------------- > > Todd Edelman > Director > Green Idea Factory > > Korunn? 72 > CZ-10100 Praha 10 > Czech Republic > > ++420 605 915 970 > ++420 222 517 832 > Skype: toddedelman > > edelman@greenidea.info > > Green Idea Factory, > a member of World Carfree Network > www.worldcarfree.net > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > __________ NOD32 2233 (20070501) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > From edelman at greenidea.info Thu May 3 01:58:54 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:58:54 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: BBRT - Bikes on BRT In-Reply-To: <4638AED8.9090706@sutp.org> References: <4637CD43.8000600@greenidea.info> <4638AED8.9090706@sutp.org> Message-ID: <4638C34E.1030202@greenidea.info> Carlos F. Pardo wrote: > Todd, > > Your idea sounds pretty good. Regarding folding bikes, I wouldn't > really think this is feasible. The cheapest folding bicycle I've seen > is 60 euro (in Beijing, almost straight from the dealer), and it > didn't seem to be really good quality. Mine was 200 euro and was the > cheapest good one. So I think this would be out. OKAY, well jumping ahead, there could still be folding bikes for people who want to pay more. But it is not just status but more flexibility. I see that this could be a problem is systems that try to de-status things. > > However, I would actually encourage the system to buy bikes for the > city as a whole, which shoul be given to citizens on a suscription > basis (many cities have done this, and Paris has just started a huge > project PARIS did not buy bikes. One huge advertising company did, and in trade it gets dominance in advertising spaces, to advertise things like cars, support objectification of women, and so on. At least it is visual pollution, which is often anti-people. I think a bad trade off. > ). These bikes can be made locally (you can do a cheap one in Bogot? > for around 25 euro, single gear), HILLS! HILLS! I see hills, our single-gear bikes can't make it!! > and will not have the problem of taking up space from inside the bus. TAKING folding bikes inside PT is becoming a standard in many places, and it is only discouraged unintentionally by the fact that folding bikes are more expensive. > If you convince the PT system that this will really increase their > catchment area (e.g. the distance from which people will arrive at the > station), they may actually pay for the bikes and possibly take care > of the operation of the bike-lending... and build safe bicycle parking > areas. Other small companies could also take the job of operating the > bike-lending. RIGHT. I think the operation of all the pieces can be done by who does it best. Another important element is that the bikes themselves are part of "the look" of the system. So the colours are the same, the name too (e.g. "Transmilleniociclo") and it always shown in marketing with the mother or core vehicle. SO the thing is that this is best if not added on later to a project, but part of the first studies and so on. Who knows, the amount of projected income an increased reach brings might convince the decision makers to implement light rail! No, that was not my intention with this. I am not a puppet of Siemens, Alstom, Bombardier, Skanska, Suez... or Volvo Bus! And not the bicycle lobby, either! - T > > Best regards, > > Carlos F. Pardo > Coordinador de Proyecto- Project Coordinator > GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC) > Cl 93A # 14-17 of 708 > Bogot? D.C., Colombia > Tel/fax: +57 (1) 236 2309 Mobile: +57 (3) 15 296 0662 > carlos.pardo@sutp.org www.sutp.org > > > Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I think it is clear to most of us that combining BRT with bicycles >> creates a better replacement for cars than either by itself, and >> there are of course other advantages besides replacement mobility. >> While the biggest piece of pubic transport and bicycle intermodality >> is bicycle parking, and it is good if shared bicycles are also >> considered, the ability to take one's own bike on PT is also useful. >> >> The bicycle on bus front rack is used in hundreds of systems in the >> USA and Canada.... >> >> >> >> >> *From Hampton Roads Transit, Virginia (Flash): >> ** >> From the Port Authority of Allegheny County *(*Windows Media >> Player;* Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and surroundings): >> * >> From Charlotte, North Carolina (Real Player, click on ?view demo?): >> * >> >> ... and each rack costs less than one bus tyre, but this would not >> work on Transmillenio-type BRT as the front of the bus is not >> accessible. >> >> SO, it seems like it would be good to be able to take bikes inside >> the buses (or light rail, metro, etc.) but there could be a problem >> with space. >> >> How about if when a city implements a BRT system (meaning dozens or >> more new buses, infrastructure, expanded depot, etc) it also buys >> thousands of FOLDING bikes all at the same time - taking advantage of >> economies of scale - and then sells to these bikes to its riders at >> or near cost? (Or less than cost with subsidies). There could also be >> payment plans, where technologically possible. >> >> What do people think? Could you all let me know what prices would be >> acceptable to purchase bikes in various cities? >> >> Thanks, >> T >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> >> Todd Edelman >> Director >> Green Idea Factory >> >> Korunn? 72 >> CZ-10100 Praha 10 >> Czech Republic >> >> ++420 605 915 970 >> ++420 222 517 832 >> Skype: toddedelman >> >> edelman@greenidea.info >> >> Green Idea Factory, >> a member of World Carfree Network >> www.worldcarfree.net >> >> -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT >> NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. >> Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss >> to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The >> yahoogroups version is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post >> to the real sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it >> seem like you can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. >> >> ================================================================ >> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, >> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing >> countries (the 'Global South'). >> >> __________ NOD32 2233 (20070501) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net From rivera at iss.nl Thu May 3 20:54:52 2007 From: rivera at iss.nl (Roselle Rivera) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 13:54:52 +0200 Subject: [sustran] SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT IN THE PHILIPPINES In-Reply-To: <20070502030131.2BBD32DE6F@mx-list.jca.ne.jp> References: <20070502030131.2BBD32DE6F@mx-list.jca.ne.jp> Message-ID: May I share with you the abstract of a a recent study by my student in the Philippines about sexual harassment in public transport. Maybe we can replicate this in other Asian settings. We worked closely wih various grassroot women's organizations. transport groups and trade unions. ROSELLE LEAH K RIVERA PhD Fellow Human Resource and Local Development Staff Group Institute of Social Studies Kortenaerkade 12 2518 AX The Hague, Netherlands Office Tel: +31 70 4260428 Fax: +31 70 4260507 Mobile: +31 627315444 Please refer to: http://www.iss.nl/content/view/full/2873 for ISS? email disclaimer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070503/e8e6d4ba/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: abstract.doc Type: application/msword Size: 28672 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070503/e8e6d4ba/abstract.doc From kate.czuczman at ifrtd.org Thu May 3 22:16:03 2007 From: kate.czuczman at ifrtd.org (Kate Czuczman) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:16:03 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT IN THE PHILIPPINES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200705031300.CSW16832@c2bthomr11.btconnect.com> Dear Roselle Many thanks for sharing this abstract with us, I would be interested to read the full study if it is available? The issue of sexual harassment came up strongly in some recent small studies on rural transport safety carried out by IFRTD members in Peru and Cameroon. The studies included transport security within their definition of safety, and sexual harassment was shown to influence women and girl children's mobility in terms of modal choice and affordability - safer seats are generally the more expensive seats. It can also influence ability to travel when harassment takes the form of bribery i.e sexual favors demanded in exchange for seats. The issue is also shown to be applicable to the use of transport infrastructure for example women were shown to be vulnerable to harassment when using tracks and paths. The Cameroon study in particular highlights some of the coping mechanisms that women have had to develop to address the security risks they face when traveling eg. pooling resources and asking one man to purchase goods for them. The full studies and a synthesis are available here: http://www.ifrtd.org/new/proj/r_trans_safe.php I am copying this reply to the Gatnet Gender, Equity and Transport email discussion list as I think many of its members would be interested in your abstract and may have other studies and ideas to share. If you are not already a member of Gatnet you can find out more at www.dgroups.org/groups/worldbank/gatnet and if you would like to join please let me know and I will subscribe you. With best wishes Kate Kate Czuczman Editor and Communications Coordinator International Forum for Rural Transport and Development (IFRTD) kate.czuczman@ifrtd.org _____ From: Roselle Rivera [mailto:rivera@iss.nl] Sent: 03 May 2007 11:55 To: sustran-discuss@list.jca.apc.org Cc: kate.czuczman@ifrtd.org Subject: SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN PUBLIC TRANSPORT IN THE PHILIPPINES May I share with you the abstract of a a recent study by my student in the Philippines about sexual harassment in public transport. Maybe we can replicate this in other Asian settings. We worked closely wih various grassroot women's organizations. transport groups and trade unions. ROSELLE LEAH K RIVERA PhD Fellow Human Resource and Local Development Staff Group Institute of Social Studies Kortenaerkade 12 2518 AX The Hague, Netherlands Office Tel: +31 70 4260428 Fax: +31 70 4260507 Mobile: +31 627315444 Please refer to: http://www.iss.nl/content/view/full/2873 for ISS' email disclaimer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070503/2d9439f4/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri May 4 00:35:27 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:35:27 +0200 Subject: [sustran] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Transantiago_-_Is_this_a_project_of_whic?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?h_we_all_need_to_know_more=3F?= Message-ID: I have been getting a number of requests from people and groups asking if I can help them get a handle on the Transantiago project, and recently someone ? might it have been you Lloyd? ? said that it would be a good idea if we created some kind of repository of information or references which might help in an informed and neutral way. One idea that comes to mind would be to invite all of those of you who have good knowledge on what is going on to jump in and help make the entries in both the English and Spanish versions of Wikipedia more authoritative, accurate and complete. The Spanish profile is at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantiago and looks to me to be a fine beginning, and this despite the fact that one of the ?editors? has challenged it authenticity and neutrality (NPOV). I copy below the shorter English version from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantiago to give you a whiff of what they think it?s all about. At the very least it strikes me as a cautionary tale, and certainly one that is worthy of the attention of those of us who may harbor ambitious ideas about how to bring on the New Mobility Agenda. And I am sure that some of our friends in the sutp-lac group will have some interesting observations and references to add to this. Eric Britton Transantiago >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation , search This article documents a current event . Information may change rapidly as the event progresses. An articulated bus of the new Transantiago system An articulated bus of the new Transantiago system Transantiago is the public transport system that serves Santiago , capital city of Chile . It was introduced on 10 February 2007 , replacing the previous chaotic system run by thousands of independent bus operators. The system works by combining local bus lines, main bus lines and the Metro (subway) network. It includes an integrated fare system, which allows passengers to make bus-to-bus or bus-to-metro transfers for the price of one ticket, using a single contactless smartcard . Transantiago's implementation has been problematic. Some of the bus companies have not put out the required fleet in operation, making the bus headway irregular and generating large crowds and long queues outside Metro stations and bus stops. The fleet management software (which includes the use of GPS ) has not been implemented. Segregated bus corridors have also not been constructed and "paid zones" have been improvised. The lack of trust by users in the bus system has overcrowded the Metro. There is also criticism of a lack of line coverage in the citiy's peripheral areas, which were well covered under the previous system. Contents [ hide ] * 1 Details * 1.1 Objectives * 1.2 New lines structure * 1.3 New fare structure * 1.4 Payment system and finance administration * 1.5 Users' information * 2 Vehicles * 2.1 Technical characteristics of the vehicles * 3 Problems and criticism * 4 References * 5 External links [ edit ] 1 Details Transantiago's first stage of implementation began on 22 October 2005 , when a group of ten new companies took control of the capital's bus system, immediately introducing 1,181 new modern low-floor buses (approximately half of them being articulated ) made by Volvo in Brazil , replacing 461 yellow-colored buses from the old system. The new buses will temporarily coexist with the over 7,000 existing older buses, that will be gradually withdrawn from the system until 2010. In October 2006 a users' information system was introduced. Transantiago became fully operational on 10 February 2007 by the introduction of a new route system dividing bus lines into two complementary groups: main and local lines. In addition, a new fare structure was implemented, allowing transfers at small or zero fares between buses and metro, when using the new contactless smartcard . 1,776 new buses will operate at this stage. The older yellow-colored (now painted over) buses will only operate through the secondary local lines in conjunction with new but simpler buses. It is expected that by 2010 , the older buses will be completely replaced by over 4,600 new vehicles. [ edit ] 1.1 Objectives * Encouraging the use of public transport . * Enhancing the quality of public transport, eliminating the on-the-street competition and replacing the existing bus fleet. * Palliating the city's high air pollution and sound pollution levels by reducing the number of buses from over 7,000 to about 4,600, and by reducing the emission levels of the buses. * Reducing travel times. [ edit ] 1.2 New lines structure Bus services were divided into two subsystems. The first subsystem corresponds to the main bus lines , which complementing the metro network allow long trips between different zones of the city. The second subsystem corresponds to the local (or feeder) bus lines, which allow short trips and feed the metro and main bus lines. Local services are organized in ten units , each of one corresponding to one or more municipalities of Santiago. A Santiago Centro B Conchal? , Huechuraba , Independencia , Quilicura , Recoleta , Renca C Las Condes , Lo Barnechea , Providencia , Vitacura D La Reina , Macul , ?u?oa , Pe?alol?n E La Florida , La Granja F Puente Alto G El Bosque , La Cisterna , La Pintana , San Bernardo , San Ram?n H Lo Espejo , Pedro Aguirre Cerda , San Joaqu?n , San Miguel I Cerrillos , Estaci?n Central , Maip? J Cerro Navia , Lo Prado , Pudahuel , Quinta Normal Map of the zones of Transantiago The details of both the main bus lines and the local bus lines can be seen in the official maps and route descriptions . [ edit ] 1.3 New fare structure An integrated fares scheme was introduced for buses and metro, allowing to transfer for free or paying a small transfer charge. During the first six months of operation, up to three transfers are completely free. The definitive fare scheme considers two basic fares (local and main fares), in addition to the transfer fares. The local fare will allow local trips inside a local area, also allowing free transfers between local services in that area. The main fare will be a little higher and will allow trips both in the main bus lines and metro, including free transfers between them. Finally, a transfer fare will have to be paid when transferring between a main bus service (or metro) and a local service. This transfer fare will be much smaller than the basic fares. As was before, students will be allowed to pay reduced fares, at 35% of the normal ones. Fares will be adjusted periodically, according to the changes in the main input prices (fuel, etc.) of the operators. The way in which the fare adjustments is calculated has been established in the operation contracts. Therefore, neither operators nor the authorities are able to change the fares at will. [ edit ] 1.4 Payment system and finance administration The main payment system of Transantiago is a contactless smartcard called tarjeta Bip! similar to the Multivia card, which was previously operated by the metro. This card is used both in buses and metro as a prepaid card. The access to the reduced or free transfer fares is only possible when using this card, as the electronic system associated to the card automatically recognizes if the user is starting his trip or just making a transfer. In this way, the system can decide if the basic fare has to be charged or if a transfer or free fare applies. Passengers who do not have the card may pay in cash (only in feeder buses), but a higher fare without possibility of reduced transfers. The operation of the payment system was tendered to a private company. Its main tasks are the distribution and charging of the card, the administration of the revenues and the payment to the operators, according to the rules established in the contracts. [ edit ] 1.5 Users' information Another component of the system is the information manager and users' information provider, which was tendered and awarded to the private company Tata Consultancy Services Chile in 2006. Its main tasks are: provide information for the users both before and after the implementation of the system, provide information about the localization of the buses to the operators and coordinate emergencies with the relevant bodies. [ edit ] 2 Vehicles Until 2010 there will be both new Transantiago-standard and old buses in operation. In comparison to the old buses of Santiago, at least half the new ones have a low floor, and all have a blocking system that does not allow the movement of the bus before all doors are closed. Since 2003, all new buses in Santiago fulfill the emission norm Euro III . After the implementation of the new lines structure, the main bus lines will be operated with articulated (18 meters long) and normal buses, while the local services will be operated with normal buses and minibuses. [ edit ] 2.1 Technical characteristics of the vehicles Most of the low-floor buses for Transantiago were built by Volvo . Several operating companies of Transantiago bought 1,157 articulated buses B9SALF and 510 normal (12 meters long) buses B7RLE . The articulated B9SALF Volvo bus has a capacity of approximately 160 passengers, four double doors, 100% low floor, a length of 18.5 meters and a width of 2.5 meters. The engine is on the left side between the first and second axles (i.e. behind the driver) and 340hp hp . (More technical information can be found in the technical specifications of the Volvo B9SALF .) The Volvo B7RLE bus, with a capacity of approximately 80 passengers, has three double doors and low floor between the first and second doors. It has a length of 12 meters and a wide of 2.5 meters. The engine is in the back of the vehicle and has 7,000 cm?. (Additional technical information can be found in the technical specifications of the Volvo B7RLE .) [ edit ] 3 Problems and criticism There are several problems with the design and implementation of the plan. Bus owners' contracts offer no incentive to improve service; they receive a fixed payment no matter how many passengers they transport. The centralized system for controlling frequency of buses is not working (the GPS system is non-operational), which was a main point in the original design. Passenger fare evasion is high (30% or more). Many people consider the service to be poor and are not willing to pay for it. Others are taking advantage of the situation. Routes were poorly defined. For example, when the system launched, there weren't bus stops by many hospitals. Although polls have shown the citizens of Santiago were overwhelmingly in favor of a new transport system [1] , its implementation was heavily criticized for not meeting up to people's expectations. The system's first days in operation were chaotic at many of the bus stops, since there were not enough buses to cope with the demand. Additionally, many complained that the old bus routes were easier and faster, a claim confirmed to an extent in an investigation by El Mercurio , which found that most of the new routes took more time than the ones in the older system. Politicians in both sides of the political spectrum ?from Communist Party Secretary General Guillermo Tellier to right-wing UDI deputy Iv?n Moreira ? criticized the implementation of the new system, labeling it "improvised" and "unprofessional." Support for President Michelle Bachelet 's government in Santiago fell from 55.2% in February to 42.7% in March , after the Transantiago began operating, according to the monthly Adimark polls. Political analysts attributed the fall solely to the Transantiago, saying that there is no other possible cause for the dramatic fall in support [2] . A poll taken by Benchmark agency, requested by the opposition, showed that 47% did not approve of the implementation of Transantiago, 64% labeled the implementation as "improvised", and 53% disapproved of the way President Bachelet handled the situation. Many people have also blamed former president Ricardo Lagos , because it was his government that was responsible for the system's design. One consequence of Transantiago is that the Metro system, which was to be a backbone of the system, has been overwhelmed with over six users per square meter. The increase in usage was reported by La Tercera on 21 March 2007 as having increased from 1,300,000 to 2,200,000 and Metro president Blas Tomic was quoted as saying: "The capacity of metro has reached its limit" and recommended that the elderly and users with medical conditions stay off the system. The government has defended the plan as necessary for a better transport system, adding it will improve as people become more used to it, adding everything is being done to improve it. [ edit ] 4 References * Gschwender, Antonio (2005) Improving the urban public transport in developing countries: the design of a new integrated system in Santiago de Chile. 9th Conference of Competition and Ownership in Land Transport (Thredbo9), Lisbon, Portugal. * Minteguiaga, Jorge (2006) Transantiago: redesigning public transport in Santiago, Chile. Public Transport International, 55, 6/2006, 16-19. 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Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering how long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been abandoned in a busy road. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/f9fcdc65/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Fri May 4 18:18:03 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:18:03 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Rewarding New Mobility Initiatives World Wide Message-ID: Paris, Friday, May 04, 2007 Dear Friends, As many of you here know we are strong supporters of any device, event or award that brings attention to path-breaking New Mobility initiatives anywhere in the world that can make a difference in their communities ? and especially those that demonstrate techniques and tools that can be put to work quickly, cheaply, wisely and well in other places. Over the last years we have, with the help and support of many of our international colleagues including perhaps you yourself, managed to get international recognition for people and projects that are serving to break the old patterns and stasis that is presently choking our planet and the daily lives of many, including the poorest and most vulnerable. And we think that in each case this in its own small way is helping to make a difference and helping to encourage and support at least some people and some places in their heroic efforts to do something about our present and most unsatisfactory, dangerous and unfair mobility and access arrangements. So when we find ways to get high profile international recognition for the path-breaking work of heroes (the word is not too strong) like Hans Monderman, John Gehl, and Enrique Pe?alosa, Ken Livingstone and London?s heroic (like it or not) effort to break the ice on road pricing, Mayor Lee Myung-Bak of Seoul for his teams ?restoration technology? efforts to green their transport system, outstanding carsharing projects like Caisse-Commune (Paris), Greenwheels (Netherlands), Co-operative Auto Network (Vancouver), Nordic Carshare (Helsinki), City CarShare (San Francisco), Walk to School programs in many places, and all of the vast work of the Stockholm Partnerships for Sustainable Cities that has brought recognition and honor to more than 220 projects world wide ? well, we think that this is an effort which really needs to go on. But it?s a cooperative deal, and what I am writing to you about this morning is in an attempt to collect your ideas and suggestions for programs, awards, and other forms of recognition that we might be able to put our combined efforts to work on. I best make this one point clear first however ? and that is that our quest at this point is not for nominations of people and projects that are deserving of such international recognition, because we really follow the field quite closely and indeed have many many ideas already on this, No, at this particular point what we are looking for specifically are your suggestions for programs and awards that we should know about in order to make these outstanding ventures known. Names, addresses, URLs, contact points and people, and all that we need to know to get down to work. Also, if you want to lend a hand in this, it would be great to hear from you about that as well. Since this is primarily about New Mobility ideas and projects, may I suggest that our future discussions of this be carried out under the Idea Factory of the New Mobility Agenda ( http://newmobility.org , top menu), and to address your suggestions and counsel on this the correct address would be NewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com . One never knows where this sort of thing will take us, but my guess is that it is the right thing to do. Eric Britton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/8bf93b48/attachment.html From carlos.pardo at sutp.org Fri May 4 22:42:03 2007 From: carlos.pardo at sutp.org (Carlos F. Pardo) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 08:42:03 -0500 Subject: [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463B382B.100@sutp.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/a3017c87/attachment.html From madhav.g.badami at mcgill.ca Fri May 4 23:00:29 2007 From: madhav.g.badami at mcgill.ca (Madhav Badami, Prof.) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:00:29 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <463B382B.100@sutp.org> Message-ID: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> Dear Carlos, Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. Madhav ************************************************************************ "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Madhav G. Badami, PhD School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill University Macdonald-Harrington Building 815 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home) Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning www.mcgill.ca/mse e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca ________________________________ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.o rg] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:42 AM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques We had the chance to be in India (Delhi, Chandigarh, Pune) last week, working in a BRT training course with the SUTP project, ITDP and World Bank (which was very useful). Parallel to the workshop I would go walking around to see these cities. This news from a plane in the middle of a road reminded me of some other issues I saw: - A mosque as wide as the sidewalk (Delhi), "blocking" the way for pedestrians, - An elephant walking on a major arterial, - The typical cows in roundabouts or roads, - The classic situation of the "chaotic" Indian intersection. This has all made me think deeper about the recent discussion started by J. Richmond. Is it institutions? Is it a deeply culturally rooted characteristic of Indians? Is it religion, yoga or whatever? I bought a book on Indian culture which I've started reading to see if I find any answers. I would really like to hear from people in India their point of view on why they think this happens. Being from Colombia, I'm completely lost trying to understand this. Best regards, Carlos Roselle Rivera wrote: something (amusing/very bothering?) on transport. Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering how long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been abandoned in a busy road. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm Please refer to: http://www.iss.nl/content/view/full/2873 for ISS' email disclaimer. ROSELLE LEAH K RIVERA PhD Fellow Human Resource and Local Development Staff Group Institute of Social Studies Kortenaerkade 12 2518 AX The Hague, Netherlands Office Tel: +31 70 4260428 Fax: +31 70 4260507 Mobile: +31 627315444 __________ NOD32 2238 (20070503) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/bf8a3c04/attachment.html From martincassini at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 4 23:33:48 2007 From: martincassini at blueyonder.co.uk (Martin Cassini) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:33:48 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <005201c78e59$3a38c120$b83a2352@mc> May I second Madhav's delightful point? As some of you know, my frustration is with too much traffic regulation, which in my view is counterproductive, makes roads dangerous and hostile, where the very restraints - which go against the grain of human nature - set the stage for conflict and congestion. I love what I see when lights are out of action and there are no external controls - congestion dissolving, courtesy thriving, everyone merging in a merry mix of meandering movement, and the emergence of a new hierarchy, with vulnerable road-users at the top. Perhaps there is an elegant compromise to be found - some midway point between India and England ... priority rules and regimented controls dropped in favour of natural cooperation, where might is not right, and we adopt 1Q, denoting single queueing and innate intelligence. Martin www.goodfun.tv -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca. apc.org] On Behalf Of Madhav Badami, Prof. Sent: 04 May 2007 15:00 To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques Dear Carlos, Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. Madhav ************************************************************************ "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Madhav G. Badami, PhD School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill University Macdonald-Harrington Building 815 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home) Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning www.mcgill.ca/mse e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.o rg] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:42 AM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques We had the chance to be in India (Delhi, Chandigarh, Pune) last week, working in a BRT training course with the SUTP project, ITDP and World Bank (which was very useful). Parallel to the workshop I would go walking around to see these cities. This news from a plane in the middle of a road reminded me of some other issues I saw: - A mosque as wide as the sidewalk (Delhi), "blocking" the way for pedestrians, - An elephant walking on a major arterial, - The typical cows in roundabouts or roads, - The classic situation of the "chaotic" Indian intersection. This has all made me think deeper about the recent discussion started by J. Richmond. Is it institutions? Is it a deeply culturally rooted characteristic of Indians? Is it religion, yoga or whatever? I bought a book on Indian culture which I've started reading to see if I find any answers. I would really like to hear from people in India their point of view on why they think this happens. Being from Colombia, I'm completely lost trying to understand this. Best regards, Carlos Roselle Rivera wrote: something (amusing/very bothering?) on transport. Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering how long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been abandoned in a busy road. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. 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Richmond) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> References: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: Great point, and in fact I don't see the occasional elephant, cow or unexpected mosque on the footpath as a problem -- quite the contrary, these are part of everyday life and offer pleasant distractions or even the opportunity to exchange salaam... This all adds vibrancy and life... The real problem lies in the corruption that prevents effective operation of transport systems -- which could certainly operate quite efficiently -- even accommodating elephants -- if properly managed. --Jonathan On Fri, 4 May 2007, Madhav Badami, Prof. wrote: > Dear Carlos, > > Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise a > detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings on the > situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about it). I will > try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not planes -- into my > response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave you with this personal > viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- joyous, sometimes sublime, > and at the very same time, very messy, even obscene, but never ever dull > and boring. > > Madhav > > ************************************************************************ > > "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." > Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > Madhav G. Badami, PhD > School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill > University Macdonald-Harrington Building > 815 Sherbrooke Street West > Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada > > Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home) > Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 > URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning > www.mcgill.ca/mse > e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca > > > ________________________________ > > From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.o > rg] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:42 AM > To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > Subject: [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques > > > We had the chance to be in India (Delhi, Chandigarh, Pune) last week, > working in a BRT training course with the SUTP project, ITDP and World > Bank (which was very useful). Parallel to the workshop I would go > walking around to see these cities. This news from a plane in the middle > of a road reminded me of some other issues I saw: > > - A mosque as wide as the sidewalk (Delhi), "blocking" the way for > pedestrians, > - An elephant walking on a major arterial, > - The typical cows in roundabouts or roads, > - The classic situation of the "chaotic" Indian intersection. > > This has all made me think deeper about the recent discussion started by > J. Richmond. Is it institutions? Is it a deeply culturally rooted > characteristic of Indians? Is it religion, yoga or whatever? I bought a > book on Indian culture which I've started reading to see if I find any > answers. I would really like to hear from people in India their point of > view on why they think this happens. Being from Colombia, I'm completely > lost trying to understand this. > > Best regards, > > Carlos > > > Roselle Rivera wrote: > > > > something (amusing/very bothering?) on transport. > Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? > > > > ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** > Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering > how long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been > abandoned in a busy road. > < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > > > > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** > Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want > them, all > in one daily e-mail > < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > > > > ** Disclaimer ** > The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and > anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's > views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name > of the sender have been verified. > > If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want > to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our > frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm > > Please refer to: http://www.iss.nl/content/view/full/2873 for > ISS' email disclaimer. > > > > ROSELLE LEAH K RIVERA > PhD Fellow > Human Resource and Local Development Staff Group > > Institute of Social Studies > Kortenaerkade 12 > 2518 AX > The Hague, Netherlands > Office Tel: +31 70 4260428 > Fax: +31 70 4260507 > Mobile: +31 627315444 > > __________ NOD32 2238 (20070503) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > ________________________________ > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via > YAHOOGROUPS. > > Please go to > http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real > sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. The yahoogroups version > is only a mirror and 'members' there cannot post to the real > sustran-discuss (even if the yahoogroups site makes it seem like you > can). Apologies for the confusing arrangement. > > ================================================================ > SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of > people-centred, equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on > developing countries (the 'Global South'). > > > __________ NOD32 2238 (20070503) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > ----- Jonathan Richmond 1 (617) 395-4360 e-mail: richmond@alum.mit.edu http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From zvi at inro.ca Fri May 4 23:59:07 2007 From: zvi at inro.ca (Zvi Leve) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:59:07 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> References: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <463B4A3B.7000203@inro.ca> Carlos, I have enjoyed very much reading VS Naipul 's books about India. He is a well-known writer of 'travel literature' (he recently won the Nobel prize for literature) and has a very good perception of cultural issues. He is of Indian descent, but has never lived in India, although he has travelled there extensively. I have read his books Among the Believers: An Islamic Journey , which is about his travels in the Islamic areas of Asia (including India and Pakistan), and also India: A Million Mutinies Now , which is only about India. I think that he has newer material about these areas as well. He is very opinionated and not everyone appreciates his views, but I think that he is an excellent writer. One of these days I hope to make it over there myself.... Best regards, Zvi Madhav Badami, Prof. wrote: > Dear Carlos, > > Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise a > detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings on the > situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about it). I will > try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not planes -- into my > response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave you with this personal > viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- joyous, sometimes sublime, > and at the very same time, very messy, even obscene, but never ever > dull and boring. > > Madhav > > ************************************************************************ > > "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." > Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > Madhav G. Badami, PhD > School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill > University Macdonald-Harrington Building > 815 Sherbrooke Street West > Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada > > Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home) > Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 > URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning > www.mcgill.ca/mse > e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* > sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Carlos F. Pardo > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 9:42 AM > *To:* Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > *Subject:* [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques > > We had the chance to be in India (Delhi, Chandigarh, Pune) last week, > working in a BRT training course with the SUTP project, ITDP and World > Bank (which was very useful). Parallel to the workshop I would go > walking around to see these cities. This news from a plane in the > middle of a road reminded me of some other issues I saw: > > - A mosque as wide as the sidewalk (Delhi), "blocking" the way for > pedestrians, > - An elephant walking on a major arterial, > - The typical cows in roundabouts or roads, > - The classic situation of the "chaotic" Indian intersection. > > This has all made me think deeper about the recent discussion started > by J. Richmond. Is it institutions? Is it a deeply culturally rooted > characteristic of Indians? Is it religion, yoga or whatever? I bought > a book on Indian culture which I've started reading to see if I find > any answers. I would really like to hear from people in India their > point of view on why they think this happens. Being from Colombia, I'm > completely lost trying to understand this. > > Best regards, > Carlos > > > Roselle Rivera wrote: >> >> * >> something (amusing/very bothering?) on transport. >> Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? >> * >> >> >> ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** >> Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering how >> long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been >> abandoned in a busy road. >> < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > >> >> >> ** BBC Daily E-mail ** >> Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all >> in one daily e-mail >> < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > >> >> >> ** Disclaimer ** >> The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and >> anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the >> BBC's views or opinions. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/5cf553f8/attachment.html From sksunny at gmail.com Sat May 5 00:04:44 2007 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:04:44 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <005201c78e59$3a38c120$b83a2352@mc> References: <005201c78e59$3a38c120$b83a2352@mc> Message-ID: <463B4B8C.8020309@gmail.com> Yes Martin you are right but i surely doubt tht the concept of Shared Space to work in India. Lack of traffic regulations leads to many problems atleast in India. The other day in Pune I have seen a cyclist hit by a City Bus and the City bus did not stop. There has to be a reinstallation of thought in Indian mindset that cycles, rickshaws and transit are not degraded means of transportation. Yes we are prioritising in India but sadly the priority goes to the cars or motorbikes.and We also have vulnerable road-users at the top of our road deaths table. In my opinion segregation of traffic and then giving priority to Mass transit and Non motorised would be a start. Same time reducing the space available for personal "motorised" transport We have some nice photographs on our website (link below) from developing countries and they might interest you in seeing how the situation is in India. Sunny Sustainable Urban Transport Project www.sutp.org Martin Cassini wrote: > May I second Madhav's delightful point? As some of you know, my > frustration is with too much traffic regulation, which in my view is > counterproductive, makes roads dangerous and hostile, where the very > restraints - which go against the grain of human nature - set the > stage for conflict and congestion. I love what I see when lights are > out of action and there are no external controls - congestion > dissolving, courtesy thriving, everyone merging in a merry mix of > meandering movement, and the emergence of a new hierarchy, with > vulnerable road-users at the top. Perhaps there is an elegant > compromise to be found - some midway point between India and England > ... priority rules and regimented controls dropped in favour of > natural cooperation, where might is not right, and we adopt 1Q, > denoting single queueing and innate intelligence. > > Martin > www.goodfun.tv > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* > sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Madhav Badami, Prof. > *Sent:* 04 May 2007 15:00 > *To:* Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > *Subject:* [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques > > Dear Carlos, > > Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise > a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings > on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about > it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not > planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave > you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- > joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, > even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. > > Madhav > > > From whook at itdp.org Fri May 4 23:25:15 2007 From: whook at itdp.org (Walter Hook) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:25:15 -0400 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <00e701c78e58$08b6c350$3601a8c0@DFJLYL81> I am very much in favour of these traffic calming devices and have suggested we incorporate the same on New York city streets. Far fewer pedestrians would be killed on 5th avenue if we had some nice hindu temples, cows, and elephants, in the middle of the road to slow down the vehicles encouraged to drive 55kph by greenwaved ATS. Best Walter -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+whook=itdp.org@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Madhav Badami, Prof. Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:00 AM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques Dear Carlos, Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. Madhav ************************************************************************ "As for the future, your task is not to foresee, but to enable it." Antoine de Saint-Exupery Madhav G. Badami, PhD School of Urban Planning and McGill School of Environment McGill University Macdonald-Harrington Building 815 Sherbrooke Street West Montreal, QC, H3A 2K6, Canada Phone: 514-398-3183 (Work); 514-486-2370 (Home) Fax: 514-398-8376; 514-398-1643 URLs: www.mcgill.ca/urbanplanning www.mcgill.ca/mse e-mail: madhav.badami@mcgill.ca _____ From: sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+madhav.g.badami=mcgill.ca@list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of Carlos F. Pardo Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:42 AM To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques We had the chance to be in India (Delhi, Chandigarh, Pune) last week, working in a BRT training course with the SUTP project, ITDP and World Bank (which was very useful). Parallel to the workshop I would go walking around to see these cities. This news from a plane in the middle of a road reminded me of some other issues I saw: - A mosque as wide as the sidewalk (Delhi), "blocking" the way for pedestrians, - An elephant walking on a major arterial, - The typical cows in roundabouts or roads, - The classic situation of the "chaotic" Indian intersection. This has all made me think deeper about the recent discussion started by J. Richmond. Is it institutions? Is it a deeply culturally rooted characteristic of Indians? Is it religion, yoga or whatever? I bought a book on Indian culture which I've started reading to see if I find any answers. I would really like to hear from people in India their point of view on why they think this happens. Being from Colombia, I'm completely lost trying to understand this. Best regards, Carlos Roselle Rivera wrote: something (amusing/very bothering?) on transport. Bad and irresponsible planning? or planned tourist attraction? ** The Boeing 737 stuck in city road ** Residents of the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) are wondering how long it will take to remove a disused Boeing 737 that has been abandoned in a busy road. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6620461.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. 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URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/bb01f4e5/attachment.html From sksunny at gmail.com Sat May 5 00:19:09 2007 From: sksunny at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:19:09 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <463B4A3B.7000203@inro.ca> References: <45AEE06A4800AF4FAD8BEF09C433D85F0213ED59@EXCHANGE2VS2.campus.mcgill.ca> <463B4A3B.7000203@inro.ca> Message-ID: <463B4EED.6020308@gmail.com> Dear Zvi, Since you like to read on Indian culture I would also recommend you a book by Amartya Sen it is called "The Argumentative Indian". I hope you will like it when you read it. cheers sunny Zvi Leve wrote: > Carlos, > > I have enjoyed very much reading VS Naipul > 's books about India. He is a > well-known writer of 'travel literature' (he recently won the Nobel > prize for literature) and has a very good perception of cultural > issues. He is of Indian descent, but has never lived in India, > although he has travelled there extensively. I have read his books > Among the Believers: An Islamic Journey > , > which is about his travels in the Islamic areas of Asia (including > India and Pakistan), and also India: A Million Mutinies Now > , which is > only about India. I think that he has newer material about these areas > as well. He is very opinionated and not everyone appreciates his > views, but I think that he is an excellent writer. > > One of these days I hope to make it over there myself.... > > Best regards, > > Zvi > > From sunny.enie at gmail.com Sat May 5 00:23:46 2007 From: sunny.enie at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:23:46 +0700 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <00e701c78e58$08b6c350$3601a8c0@DFJLYL81> References: <00e701c78e58$08b6c350$3601a8c0@DFJLYL81> Message-ID: <463B5002.9000506@gmail.com> Just to share with you all the jargon in some parts of India we call the animals on the road "Speed Breakers" or "Brake Inspectors". cheers sunny Walter Hook wrote: > > I am very much in favour of these traffic calming devices and have > suggested we incorporate the same on New York city streets. > > > > Far fewer pedestrians would be killed on 5^th avenue if we had some > nice hindu temples, cows, and elephants, in the middle of the road to > slow down the vehicles encouraged to drive 55kph by greenwaved ATS. > > > > Best > > Walter > From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat May 5 00:19:40 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:19:40 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From edelman at greenidea.info Sat May 5 00:33:49 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:33:49 +0200 Subject: [sustran] World Carfree Network - Istanbul conference (27-31.8.2007) update and welcome Message-ID: <463B525D.2030000@greenidea.info> From Randy Ghent, International Coordination Centre, World Carfree Network: On behalf of World Carfree Network and our hosts, we are happy to invite you to join us in Istanbul for this year's Towards Carfree Cities VII conference, which will be held from August 27-31. We also wanted to update you on how things are going with the conference preparation. All the relevant information is at www.worldcarfree.net/conference/ or will be added there in the next couple of weeks. And of course we're awaiting your creative ideas to make the conference as fruitful as possible. Here's our report: VENUE Everything is arranged for using the Mimar Sinan Fine Arts University for all of our meetings, activities and for many of our meals. More info on the venue is already on the www.worldcarfree.net/conference/ website. We will be using the auditorium, the planning studio, the waterfront outdoor space and the cafeteria and caf?. Everything is arranged for the technical side: projectors, screens, etc.. FORMULA 1 RACE The Formula 1 Grand Prix car race will be in Istanbul on the weekend of August 25-26. Participants can come early to take part in an action against the race, to be organised by the Young Greens. The race will also have the effect of increasing hotel prices for this time, but only for four- and five-star hotels. ACCOMMODATION Participants need to book their own accommodation, as in past years. The web page www.worldcarfree.net/conference/accom.php will be updated in a week or two with various options. People should book as soon as possible. Our suggested budget option is Sultan Hostel (www.sultanhostel.com ), which has 110 beds. The three-star suggestion is Sebnem Hotel (www.sebnemhotel.net ), with 30 beds. If the Sebnem becomes full, they will help you book in the adjacent hotels of similar price/quality. All of these options are in the Old City (Sultanahmet), a few tram stops from the university. THEME / KEYNOTES As mentioned before and on the conference website, the theme is "Building a Livable Future in a Changing Climate," and this includes political, cultural, spatial and environmental change. In our preparation meetings this past week, we've decided that we'd like to invite three keynote speakers as follows: 1) a representative of the City of Paris (Denis Baupin?), to highlight the the city's various ambitious and innovative projects to reduce car dependence, improve accessibility for all, and increase livability for residents and visitors. 2) an initiator or coordinator of one of the new carfree developments that have been built in Europe, or someone else who can provide a good overview of existing carfree communities. 3) an urban planner who is developing a transport master plan for several cities in Turkey to enhance livability, who can also provide a good overview of the changing political climate among decision-makers If anyone has any more suggestions for keynote speakers, please send them to istanbul@worldcarfree.net . DEBATES AND STRATEGY SESSIONS So far we have several ideas for debates: 1) complete streets (see www.completestreets.org for more info) and shared space (see "shared space" entry in Wikipedia) concepts vs. pedestrianisation 2) mobility vs. proximity (to what extent should we prioritise movement vs. living in urban space allocation) 3) car culture vs. public space culture (for example, if drivers get free parking space, shouldn't carfree people also get space to do something?) 4) carbon offsetting (is it really possible to cancel out our climate impact by paying someone to cut emissions elsewhere?) 5) car-based vs. carfree lifestyle (health and environmental impacts) For strategy sessions we have so far four ideas: 1) organising carfree days 2) realising carfree developments and supporting policies 3) combating car advertising (and increasing carfree advertising) 4) improving the urban living environment (deep aesthetics, etc..) Again, if anyone would like to lead or participate in these sessions, or if you have other ideas, please contact istanbul@worldcarfree.net . PROGRAMME (IN GENERAL) This week we've finished the general framework for the programme, and will be uploading it to the website (www.worldcarfree.net/conference/programme.php ) within two weeks. The deadline for sending in your proposals is April 30, but please send them even if you must miss the deadline. See www.worldcarfree.net/conference/proposals.php for details. OUTREACH/PROMOTION We will make some promotional materials (leaflet, PDF, digital announcement) for the conference. We'd be happy if you could reprint or distribute this to your organisations' members or other contacts. The more that people hear about the conference, the better. You can also simply use the info that's already on the website, or refer people there. TRAVEL If you would like to travel by train with other conference participants, please use the carfree_network list to state your preferred travel dates/locations to connect with others travelling the same route. Looking forward to seeing you all in August, Randy and Kevser, in Istanbul -- Randall Ghent Membership & Conference Coordinator WORLD CARFREE NETWORK Kratka 26, 100 00 Prague 10 Czech Republic tel/fax: +(420) 274 810 849 skype: wcn-icc / randallghent rghent@worldcarfree.net -- -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net From edelman at greenidea.info Sat May 5 00:36:00 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:36:00 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <005201c78e59$3a38c120$b83a2352@mc> References: <005201c78e59$3a38c120$b83a2352@mc> Message-ID: <463B52E0.8060306@greenidea.info> Mr Cassini, It might interest you to know that the issue you discuss is one of the ideas for debate at Towards Carfree Cities in Istanbul late in August. Debate: "Complete streets (see www.completestreets.org for more info) and shared space (see "shared space" entry in Wikipedia) concepts vs. pedestrianisation" If you are interested in debating this or participating in some way please contact istanbul@worldcarfree.net I realise that Complete Streets and Shared Space are not the same thing. *** My own opinion, briefly, is that your concept of sharing without signals etc. is GREAT except that private automobiles are not sustainable on a global level and even carshare is not desirable as a long-term solution because of the way that cars ensure that streets remain solely in the job of fulfilling transport duties, rather than a traditional and I think better role to facilitate life between buildings, with transport not hindering this and only enabling it. To put it another way, a street full of cars with drivers acting politely as possible still dominates the scene, even if collisions go down (and I have seen the videos of Shared Space and believe they do. I really do agree that people need to make eye contact and so on. Signs are also ugly.). So, it is certainly better than the current situation but no long-term solution, or even a mid-term solution. But you also seem to say that it is the traffic signals which are making things difficult for polar bears, rather than the car traffic itself, no matter what speed it is operating at. This is really funny. Are you serious? It would be a fine system if there were no cars. In fact, this is the way it us 100-120 years ago. No signals, no signs, and no cars. So, I propose a compromise: No signals AND no cars. Hope to see you in Istanbul. If Mr. Irons can come too, it would be great, as long as he doesn't fly there. The polar bears would not approve. Or will you argue that airplanes should also not have restrictions? - T Martin Cassini wrote: > May I second Madhav's delightful point? As some of you know, my > frustration is with too much traffic regulation, which in my view is > counterproductive, makes roads dangerous and hostile, where the very > restraints - which go against the grain of human nature - set the > stage for conflict and congestion. I love what I see when lights are > out of action and there are no external controls - congestion > dissolving, courtesy thriving, everyone merging in a merry mix of > meandering movement, and the emergence of a new hierarchy, with > vulnerable road-users at the top. Perhaps there is an elegant > compromise to be found - some midway point between India and England > ... priority rules and regimented controls dropped in favour of > natural cooperation, where might is not right, and we adopt 1Q, > denoting single queueing and innate intelligence. > > Martin > www.goodfun.tv > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* > sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Madhav Badami, Prof. > *Sent:* 04 May 2007 15:00 > *To:* Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > *Subject:* [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques > > Dear Carlos, > > Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise > a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings > on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about > it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not > planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave > you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- > joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, > even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. > > Madhav > > -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net From martincassini at blueyonder.co.uk Sat May 5 00:58:16 2007 From: martincassini at blueyonder.co.uk (Martin Cassini) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:58:16 +0100 Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques In-Reply-To: <463B52E0.8060306@greenidea.info> Message-ID: <007a01c78e65$073d7de0$b83a2352@mc> Lots to say and little time but in brief: my sympathies and analysis are pro-planet and pro-freedom of choice/movement, but not anti-car. Roughly speaking, traffic signals double congestion, journey times and fuel use (and they are responsible for much of the carnage on the roads), so until clean cars are widely available, e.g. the compressed air car from France/Spain, scrapping lights would bring an immediate and significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Moreover, lights cost a fortune to manufacture, install, maintain and run. What is the cost to the grid of the UK's galaxy of 24-hour lights? Todd, I like your point about facilitating life between buildings, but I question the social engineering element in some of your proposals. If people want to go further afield and carry stuff or passengers, and go door-to-door, good luck to them! Martin -----Original Message----- From: sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.org [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca. apc.org] On Behalf Of Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory Sent: 04 May 2007 16:36 To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport Subject: [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques Mr Cassini, It might interest you to know that the issue you discuss is one of the ideas for debate at Towards Carfree Cities in Istanbul late in August. Debate: "Complete streets (see www.completestreets.org for more info) and shared space (see "shared space" entry in Wikipedia) concepts vs. pedestrianisation" If you are interested in debating this or participating in some way please contact istanbul@worldcarfree.net I realise that Complete Streets and Shared Space are not the same thing. *** My own opinion, briefly, is that your concept of sharing without signals etc. is GREAT except that private automobiles are not sustainable on a global level and even carshare is not desirable as a long-term solution because of the way that cars ensure that streets remain solely in the job of fulfilling transport duties, rather than a traditional and I think better role to facilitate life between buildings, with transport not hindering this and only enabling it. To put it another way, a street full of cars with drivers acting politely as possible still dominates the scene, even if collisions go down (and I have seen the videos of Shared Space and believe they do. I really do agree that people need to make eye contact and so on. Signs are also ugly.). So, it is certainly better than the current situation but no long-term solution, or even a mid-term solution. But you also seem to say that it is the traffic signals which are making things difficult for polar bears, rather than the car traffic itself, no matter what speed it is operating at. This is really funny. Are you serious? It would be a fine system if there were no cars. In fact, this is the way it us 100-120 years ago. No signals, no signs, and no cars. So, I propose a compromise: No signals AND no cars. Hope to see you in Istanbul. If Mr. Irons can come too, it would be great, as long as he doesn't fly there. The polar bears would not approve. Or will you argue that airplanes should also not have restrictions? - T Martin Cassini wrote: > May I second Madhav's delightful point? As some of you know, my > frustration is with too much traffic regulation, which in my view is > counterproductive, makes roads dangerous and hostile, where the very > restraints - which go against the grain of human nature - set the > stage for conflict and congestion. I love what I see when lights are > out of action and there are no external controls - congestion > dissolving, courtesy thriving, everyone merging in a merry mix of > meandering movement, and the emergence of a new hierarchy, with > vulnerable road-users at the top. Perhaps there is an elegant > compromise to be found - some midway point between India and England > ... priority rules and regimented controls dropped in favour of > natural cooperation, where might is not right, and we adopt 1Q, > denoting single queueing and innate intelligence. > > Martin > www.goodfun.tv > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* > sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jca.apc.or > sustran-discuss-bounces+g > [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+martincassini=blueyonder.co.uk@list.jc > a.apc.org] > *On Behalf Of *Madhav Badami, Prof. > *Sent:* 04 May 2007 15:00 > *To:* Global 'South' Sustainable Transport > *Subject:* [sustran] Re: Indian roads - planes, cows, elephants, mosques > > Dear Carlos, > > Once the craziness of the academic term comes to an end, I promise > a detailed response to Jonathan Richmond's (and others') postings > on the situation in India (and what we can and ought to do about > it). I will try and work elephants, cows and yoga -- but not > planes -- into my response as well :-). Meanwhile, I will leave > you with this personal viewpoint ... India is like life itself -- > joyous, sometimes sublime, and at the very same time, very messy, > even obscene, but never ever dull and boring. > > Madhav > > -------------------------------------------- Todd Edelman Director Green Idea Factory Korunn? 72 CZ-10100 Praha 10 Czech Republic ++420 605 915 970 ++420 222 517 832 Skype: toddedelman edelman@greenidea.info Green Idea Factory, a member of World Carfree Network www.worldcarfree.net -------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone who gets sustran-discuss messages via YAHOOGROUPS. Please go to http://list.jca.apc.org/manage/listinfo/sustran-discuss to join the real sustran-discuss and get full membership rights. 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From litman at vtpi.org Sat May 5 06:49:53 2007 From: litman at vtpi.org (Todd Alexander Litman) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:49:53 -0700 Subject: [sustran] "Valuing Transit Service Quality Improvements" - New Report Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070504144931.07987208@mail.islandnet.com> "Valuing Transit Service Quality Improvements: Considering Comfort and Convenience In Transport Project Evaluation" (http://www.vtpi.org/traveltime.pdf ) This report investigates the value travelers place on qualitative factors such as comfort and convenience, and practical ways to incorporate these factors into travel time values for planning and project evaluation. Conventional evaluation practices generally assign the same time value regardless of travel conditions, and so undervalue comfort and convenience impacts. Yet, a quality improvement that reduces travel time unit costs by 20% provides benefits equivalent to an operational improvement that increases travel speeds by 20%. This report recommends specific travel time value adjustments to account for factors such as travel and waiting comfort, travel reliability, and real time transit vehicle arrival information. It describes how service quality improvements can increase transit ridership and reduce automobile travel. =================================== The Victoria Transport Policy Institute is an independent research organization dedicated to developing innovative solutions to transport problems. The VTPI website (http://www.vtpi.org ) has many resources addressing a wide range of transport planning and policy issues. Please let us know if you want no more VTPI newsletters or notices. Sincerely, Todd Alexander Litman Victoria Transport Policy Institute (www.vtpi.org) litman@vtpi.org Phone & Fax 250-360-1560 1250 Rudlin Street, Victoria, BC, V8V 3R7, CANADA "Efficiency - Equity - Clarity" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070504/dd4b569f/attachment.html From hghazali at gmail.com Sat May 5 13:37:52 2007 From: hghazali at gmail.com (Hassaan Ghazali) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:37:52 +0500 Subject: [sustran] Article on driving in Lahore Message-ID: Please find below an article I wrote which was published in the Friday Times. Regards, Hassaan -- Institutional Development Specialist Urban Sector Policy and Management Unit (The Urban Unit) Planning & Development Department, Government of the Punjab A: 4-B Lytton Road, Lahore, Pakistan T: 9213579-84 (Ext.116) F: 9213585 M: 0345 455 6016 Skype: halgazel http://hghazali.googlepages.com *When conditions are right, everything will go wrong* ***** My Week By HASSAAN Ghazali Supercharged as one is to take care of business on Monday morning, it's the journey to get to work which is the actual struggle. Not too many moons ago, the environs of F.C.C were what I knew to be home and life was beautiful. Friends, fans, lovers and work were a hop, skip and jump away and midnight munchies were easily sorted out with a delivery of pizza or tikka kababs from main market. Sure the big shift was rough and that feeling of connectedness to the city is sorely missed, yet moving south and building big in the peri-urban fringe of Raiwind has its fair share of advantages. That's not to say that they become instantly apparent though. Atleast not until you've had forty five minutes of dodging donkey carts, cussing lorry wallahs, avoiding maulvis on mobiles and risking a meeting with the grim reaper on Ferozepur Road (or the facilitation thereof) just to get to work?and then coming back again. It's enough to make negotiating the regular urban spaghetti of rickshaws, buses and SUVs in the city seem like driving on the motorway. The drive in and out of town is lonely and bouts of autopilot make one more pensive, disengaging only for a private muttering of public abuse and the extending of appendages and digits at my fellow man. Pushing down on the pedal as I finally get some room to speed up, I take a mental note to self that Gucci cockroach killers were not meant for an activity this rigorous. I think of calling Teechee for a chat but am quickly diverted from my chosen course of action. I'm now totally convinced that cellular companies are out to kill me. Why else would they now require me to punch in carrier prefixes before contacts of subscribers on the same network? Call me a stickler for planning, but why can't these service providers consider such matters before they compel me to make a date with my cell phone just to add the prefixes to about two hundred numbers. Now it seems that if ever the need to call such a rogue number while driving emerges then to try dialing is to almost die trying. Narrowly avoiding two motorcyclists having a parallel chat I take another note to self that I will not call Teechee. I will not edit his number. I will keep driving. I will sit with my phone. I will kill the cellular company and then posthumously bill it for time and effort expended. Then I will chuckle. That I've managed not to crash into someone so far is unexplainable but the law of averages is quickly catching up with me and Leviathan lurks somewhere for my dinky. How does anyone expect me not to go bashing into someone? The canal is always a high risk corridor and it's funny how all week I've only heard one thing?"Save Lahore's Trees". Even the radio jockey had gone Daryl Hannah on me. I decide that vandals from the left and right are threatening our city's sustainability and ,ascribing it to the summer heat having affected the populace, make the turn onto Ferozepur Road. Right about now I say a silent prayer for protection and thanks that I have vehicle and life insurance. This is also the time I rediscover how much I love congestion! If it was your job to tackle urban issues in Punjab, even you would end up loving congestion. Without it, how else could I convince anyone that the carrying capacity of our public thoroughfares has been breached and by now the mierda has really hit the fan? I take a final note to self that I will get involved in the struggle to save Lahore and the health of its people. That comes right after I actually get to work in one piece. It's true that if it weren't for Greymalkin, my nerves would be wrecked! She's my pet cat who comes a-purring all chambermaid like in the morning and is the solitary reason for coming home. Her feline form keeps reminding me that I, like the traffic around me, should flow, as does on day into another until finally the weekend dawns on Saturday. Then I can finally relax at home and watch the world cup final. Under normal circumstances I don't give two hoots about the beautiful game but maybe the bookies give me good odds and I can recover my losses made over Germany. Surfing my way over to Ladbrokes, I try and make an informed guess as to the winner and decide to hedge my bets with the only side destined to win?the bookies. If there's a draw by the time ninety minutes are over, then Monday would see me sharing my winnings with friends. I don't think anyone other than oldies, hotties, businessmen or couples go to restaurants anymore so it's probably a good idea to celebrate at one of the nicer coffee shops after work. I scroll through the phone to text the plan and see the rogue numbers stare up at me. Wishing bankruptcy upon the cellular company, I freeze that plan till I am able to sit down with my phone. By the looks of it, both the bankruptcy and punching in prefixes don't stand to happen anytime soon but life goes on and struggle, it seems, is a never ending process for those that live in the boondocks. *** From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat May 5 18:15:41 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:15:41 +0200 Subject: [sustran] New Mobility in Paris - Innovatoins profiles for review and comment Message-ID: My fond hope and firm guess is that Dave Holladay will not mind my sharing this posting with you all. These are good points and certainly need to be taken into account in any neural presentation such as that which I am in the process of trying to piece together, not only on the Velib' project but also the other innovative measures being reported on in my Paris survey Right under Dave's good note, you will see the "screening criteria" which I am putting forth as acid tests for each selected measure and recommendation, including, you can bet, Velib' Comments on all this most welcome - and again I propose that they either be shipped to me privately at eric.britton@ecoplan.org or to the New Mobility Idea Factory via theNewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com address. (Otherwise apologies for cross-posting but I do believe there is wide interest here among our different groups. Also please feel free to share more broadly.) Eric Britton PS. Review copies are now available for comment. -----Original Message----- From: Tramsol@aol.com [mailto:Tramsol@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:08 PM To: eric.britton@ecoplan.org Subject: Battle for the money... on the streets of Paris Eric I'm trying to get a picture of what mayhem you may experience in your lovely city when the City hands over almost 2000 on-street advertising sites (worth about E 35 million per year?) to JC Decaux in return for them spending E70m on their Velib cycle hire system. Currently Decaux are locked in the courts with Clear Channel whose system operates in a similar way and reckon that there was monkey business when the contract was awarded. Both bike hire systems work essentially on the fu8nding delivered by the advertising panels and are the sweeties offered like the e-pissoirs and bus shelters given away by the same companies - to get space for posters in the public realm. The business is generally very dirty in the way that a good exclusive deal for a city is worth a bundle of money. I am also concerned to find out the likely fate of Roue Libre, supported by RATP, which ires out bikes from rail stations and converted buses, driven to parks and public spaces at weekends and on holidays. It would seem that in one part of the city administration signing up the Velib, they have signed the death warrant for a successful scheme of some 10 years standing. Can you find out any more/any contacts? By contrast London has now got OYBike which unlike the Decaux and CC schemes does not come with automatically attached advertising baggage. Unfortunately it does not yet have the backing of TfL's Cycling Centre of Excellence but a number of London Boroughs have installed smaller Pool Bike systems whcih are available to the public, and the University of E London scheme is so successful that within hours of installation - and a week before official launch, it was being used for (late) night-time shopping trips. OYBIke is part of a tendered package for Toronto and is facing the Decaux machine (a huge team flown in) in Chicago (with their 1 person flying economy class...). Dave Wetzel has been trying out the system recently. Check out www.oybike.com Dave Bottom-Line new mobility tests: 1. Traffic reductions: Does this new mobility tool help to reduce (and especially SOV) car traffic in the city? 2. Environment sustainability: Does it offer a proven, significant, cost-effective capacity for reducing CO2 and other sources of pollution? 3. Synergies: Does it synergize with and open up space for yet other new mobility options, reforms and measures? 4. Accessible: Is it widely accessible and easy to use? 5. Equitable: Is it affordable and socially equitable? 6. Public space: Does it help to improve the quantity/quality of public space in the city? 7. Cost effective: Can it be brought on line at relatively low cost? 8. Fast results: And show significant results within a single electoral mandate? 9. Replicable: Is it replicable in other cities (with proper preparation and adaptation of course)? 10. Experience-proved: Has enough experience been accumulated both in Paris and elsewhere so that cities wishing to look closely at the concept can do so with confidence? 11. Flexible: Does the approach permit a range of alternative planning, financing and implementation alternatives? 12. Reversible: Can it be readily and cheaply reversed, or radically restructured or moved to a better location, if it proves somehow unsatisfactory in its performance? 13. Participatory: Does the project by its nature invite, provide for active public participation and collaboration? 14. Open: Is that information accessible to diligent professionals? 15. City-transformation: Is it a 'city-transforming' project that can lead to a much more sustainable city and higher quality of life for all? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070505/887509c4/attachment.html From eric.britton at ecoplan.org Sat May 5 19:56:59 2007 From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org (Eric Britton) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:56:59 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Criteria for New Mobility innovations In-Reply-To: <20070505094932.81535.qmail@web51608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear JK, That?s extremely interesting that you would look at my ?criteria scorecard? or whatever one might wish to call it in the context of Transantiago that we have been in parallel discussing. In drawing it up over the last several days I was thinking mainly about the pre-selected (by me) innovations that are presently in process here in Paris ? and your crossing it to the Transantiago project puts it all in a different perspective. Hmm. Gotta learn to get the right and left brains to working together on all this. What do you all think about it if I add something along the following lines to my shortlist? (Help want for doing better on this and all the rest.) Incremental implementation: Can the measure or system be brought on line in a phased, step-like manner which will permit debugging and fine tuning at acceptable levels of public discomfort and cost? Otherwise I am certainly struck by the centrality of your comments on what are clear, and I am sure many of us think altogether avoidable strategic and planning optimism and oversimplifications in the TA?s team approach. As a strong supporter of new mobility innovation of which this is an important example, I greatly regret these problems. It is such a clear object lesson, for us all and I can only hope that they will now be able to scramble to safety and get this important project working and accepted by all concerned. I am in fact prudently confident that they have the brains, will and the means to sort it out ? but I would say once again that it would be good if those of us with first hand information were to take the time to go over to the TA entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantiago -- and make it better. BTW, the entry is now posted in French German, Swedish and Spanish versions ? with this last, unsurprisingly, the most complete. Eric Britton -----Original Message----- From: Jaswant Krishnayya [mailto:jkrishnayya@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:50 AM To: Eric Britton Cc: sujitjp@gmail.com; Sudhir Jatar Subject: Re your set of Criteria for New Mobility innovations Dear Eric, The idea is there, but these clues to better design do not, it seems to me, take full account of what we can learn from the Santiago debacle. There, as you know, what seems like a superb piece of system-design, political support, funding, etc., came apart in the real world because it was a complex system-design that apparently had to all work together from day-one .. or else. What I am getting at is that in making modifications to real-world operating systems, we must think incrementally. There is no way (?) to get millions (or even thousands) of users to suddenly change the way they get to work or go shopping. So designing the system - sequence - of implementation is a crucial part of the system-design. This must be in baby steps so that each step can be retraced and rebuilt if found necessary, without threatening the public acceptance of the scheme as a whole - not to mention the promise (of much-improved services) there contained. You have many criteria that point to this, of course, particularly the question whether the system has been tried out, etc etc. However, a little explicit acceptance that every complex system will have flaws only discovered during real-world implementation - which will quickly cascade, is, I believe essential too. Sincerely, Jaswant Krishnayya =============== - - - - - Bottom-Line new mobility tests: 1. Traffic reductions: Does this new mobility tool help to reduce (and especially SOV) car traffic in the city? 2. Environment sustainability: Does it offer a proven, significant, cost-effective capacity for reducing CO2 and other sources of pollution? 3. Cost effective: Can it be brought on line at relatively low cost? 4. Fast results: And show significant results within a single electoral mandate? 5. Accessible: Is it widely accessible and easy to use? 6. Equitable: Is it affordable and socially equitable? 7. Synergies: Does it synergize with and open up space for yet other new mobility options, reforms and measures? 8. Public space: Does it help to improve the quantity/quality of public space in the city? 9. Replicable: Is it replicable in other cities (with proper preparation and adaptation of course)? 10. Experience-proved: Has enough experience been accumulated both in Paris and elsewhere so that cities wishing to look closely at the concept can do so with confidence? 11. Flexible: Does the approach permit a range of alternative planning, financing and implementation alternatives? 12. Incremental implementation: Can the measure or system be brought on line in a phased, step-like manner which will permit debugging and fine tuning at acceptable levels of public discomfort and cost? 13. Reversible: Can it be readily and cheaply reversed, or radically restructured or moved to a better location, if it proves somehow unsatisfactory in its performance? 14. Participatory: Does the project by its nature invite, provide for active public participation and collaboration? 15. Open: Is the necessary information accessible to diligent professionals? 16. City-transformation: Is it a ?city-transforming? project that can lead to a much more sustainable city and higher quality of life for all? - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://list.jca.apc.org/public/sustran-discuss/attachments/20070505/7014b8fc/attachment.html From edelman at greenidea.info Sat May 5 22:03:51 2007 From: edelman at greenidea.info (Todd Edelman, Green Idea Factory) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:03:51 +0200 Subject: [sustran] Re: New Mobility in Paris - Innovatoins profiles for review and comment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <463C80B7.4050206@greenidea.info> Hi, The programme in Paris is based on the VeloV programme from Lyon. In addition to what Dave says, there is the additional issue of what kind of advertising would show up on all this JCDecaux property. Cars, for example. Stereotypical images of women. Stuff to make people feel insecure about what they don't have or if they are a little overweight, etc.., like many ads. Street pollution. I am not interested in that kind of trade-off. Here is a similar view on this from someone who lives in Lyon: Prague has a system - in one district so far - based on the technology which is used by OYBike in London. Another example I like is this from the Netherlands, which is a partnership between the rail infrastructure manager and the national cycling advocacy organisation. It is a national programme. OV Fiets means "public transport bikes": It has locations at over 100 railway stations nationwide. VeloV is an unattended system, available 24 hours a day, which is free for the first 30 minutes, but OV Fiets is more of a standard bike rental with basic bikes, but one membership is good for the whole country. VeloV bikes are special and get diagnosed automatically when parked. So there are fundamental differences. OV Fiets is priced at about EUR 3 per 20 hours, whereas taking a bike on the train back and forth to a city is EUR 10. So it is priced right, to give a people a good option to bringing their own bike everywhere. It is growing in popularity. Municipal authorities need to decide if they want to eliminate all types of pollution, not one or two at the expense of another. If OV Fiets could be a little more flexible and a little more like VeloV it would be close to perfect. - T Eric Britton wrote: > > My fond hope and firm guess is that Dave Holladay will not mind my > sharing this posting with you all. These are good points and certainly > need to be taken into account in any neural presentation such as that > which I am in the process of trying to piece together, not only on the > Velib? project but also the other innovative measures being reported > on in my Paris survey > > Right under Dave?s good note, you will see the ?screening criteria? > which I am putting forth as acid tests for each selected measure and > recommendation, including, you can bet, Velib? > > Comments on all this most welcome ? and again I propose that they > either be shipped to me privately at eric.britton@ecoplan.org or to > the New Mobility Idea Factory via theNewMobilityCafe@yahoogroups.com > address. (Otherwise apologies for cross-posting but I do believe there > is wide interest here among our different groups. Also please feel > free to share more broadly.) > > Eric Britton > > PS. Review copies are now available for comment. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Tramsol@aol.com [mailto:Tramsol@aol.com] > *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 6:08 PM > *To:* eric.britton@ecoplan.org > *Subject:* Battle for the money... on the streets of Paris > > Eric > > I'm trying to get a picture of what mayhem you may experience in your > lovely city when the City hands over almost 2000 on-street advertising > sites (worth about E 35 million per year?) to JC Decaux in return for > them spending E70m on their Velib cycle hire system. > > Currently Decaux are locked in the courts with Clear Channel whose > system operates in a similar way and reckon that there was monkey > business when the contract was awarded. Both bike hire systems work > essentially on the fu8nding delivered by the advertising panels and > are the sweeties offered like the e-pissoirs and bus shelters given > away by the same companies - to get space for posters in the public > realm. The business is generally very dirty in the way that a good > exclusive deal for a city is worth a bundle of money. > > I am also concerned to find out the likely fate of Roue Libre, > supported by RATP, which ires out bikes from rail stations and > converted buses, driven to parks and public spaces at weekends and on > holidays. It would seem that in one part of the city administration > signing up the Velib, they have signed the death warrant for a > successful scheme of some 10 years standing. > > Can you find out any more/any contacts? > > By contrast London has now got OYBike which unlike the Decaux and CC > schemes does not come with automatically attached advertising baggage. > Unfortunately it does not yet have the backing of TfL's Cycling Centre > of Excellence but a number of London Boroughs have installed smaller > Pool Bike systems whcih are available to the public, and the > University of E London scheme is so successful that within hours of > installation - and a week before official launch, it was being used > for (late) night-time shopping trips. OYBIke is part of a tendered > package for Toronto and is facing the Decaux machine (a huge team > flown in) in Chicago (with their 1 person flying economy class...). > Dave Wetzel has been trying out the system recently. > > Check out www.oybike.com > > Dave > > *Bottom-Line new mobility tests:*** > > 1. *Traffic reductions*: Does this new mobility tool help to reduce > (an