[sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car

[TR Saranathan]

Sir/Madam,
Nowadays the approach in solving many problems has been an INTEGRATED one. 
Why not do this keeping in mind all the suggestions so far given for and 
against this problem also. Further, Transport problems depend on many 
Factors and mainly the Location, the Climate,the Economy etc of a particular 
Place.
Dr.T.R.Saranathan


>From: "Carlos F. Pardo" <carlosfpardo at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport 
><sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
>To: Global 'South' Sustainable Transport <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
>Subject: [sustran] Re: MMRDA will file PIL to block Tata's Rs1 lakh car
>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:00:24 -0500
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>Just for the sake of argument, I don't get Walter's point about
>congestion charging being "fairer" than banning a cheap car. Looking at
>it from a certain angle, congestion charging is also a "ban" from the
>CBD to those who only have the money to buy a car and put gas on it
>(most middle class people in low-income countries). It has the perverse
>effect that only those who have 8 pounds a day to "invest" on the
>London congestion charging (i.e. rich people) are the ones who have the
>"privilege" to ride their car inside the city (i would define that as
>inequity in access). All others can only use their car outside of the
>CBD. Am I way off?
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>However, there is also the fact that revenue from congestion charging
>can be used (and is used) for improvements in public transport...
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>I think the best is to (also) include charges to buying the car, such
>as the ones used in Singapore and Shanghai. The bid system is a way of
>controlling very low costs of vehicles while not providing any revenue
>for the cities to improve their public transport, NMT infrastructure,
>etc.
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>Best regards,
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>Carlos F. Pardo
>Coordinador de Proyecto- Project Coordinator
>GTZ - Proyecto de Transporte Sostenible (SUTP, SUTP-LAC)
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>Lee Schipper wrote:
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>Thanks. we need to continue this discussion, as it is clear that the
>boom and bust — either way a rapid rise in uncontrolled private
>motorization — will endanger ALL indian cities, but a simple banning
>of the "vehicle" is a poor way of making up for authorities'/society's
>inability to plan and enforce!
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>Lee Schipper
>Director of Research
>EMBARQ, the WRI Center
>for Sustainable Transport
>10 G St. NE
>Washington DC, 20002
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>"Anupam Gupta, CLSA" <anupam.gupta at clsa.com> 7/10/2007 1:02:14 AM
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>Hi All - I've attempted to reply to each of your points individually.
>Do
>forgive me, if I've missed anyone out and thanks very much for your
>answers.
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>Alan Howes - Chandrashekhar can't ban the car. Only the legal process
>can.
>What he's said is that he will file a "Public Interest Litigation" and
>move
>the court on this issue. It will be left on the court to decide (a)
>whether
>the PIL should even be listened to at all and if yes, then to (b) hear
>the
>matter.
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>Lee Schipper - you said "if clean, slow, safe and truly small,"
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>"Clean" - In India, Euro III norms are applicable in metros and a
>handful of
>key cities and Euro II in all other areas. Tata's car will comply with
>all
>these norms. (Note that diesel accounts for about 20% of car sales in
>India
>and we have CRDI engines although these are not mandatory).
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>"Slow" - not sure what you meant, but its a 630cc engine and I guess
>the BHP
>will also be on the lower side.
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>"Safe" - there are no safety requirements in India for cars. One reason
>why
>they're so attractively priced. (cheapest car in India retails at just
>over
>US$5,000).
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>"Truly small" - we still don't know the specs, but it will have to be
>smaller than 4,000mm to qualify as a "small car" and get lower excise
>duty.
>I fear you bust scenario is more likely than a boom scenario.
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>Congestion pricing in Mumbai has been specifically ruled out by the
>Chief
>Minister of Maharahstra (who also happens to be Dr. Chandrashekhar's
>boss).
>My personal view is that this car will indeed turn "more two wheeler
>drivers/riders into victims of l lakh four wheelers". That's where Dr.
>C is
>also coming from.
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>Walter Hook - Indeed, banning the car would be outrageous. As
>outrageous as
>Mumbai's urban planning, which seems to be devoid of sustainability
>and
>scalability. As I mentioned above, the Govt is strictly
>anti-congestion
>pricing. As for "market-oriented parking charges" - well, that's not
>happening either. More and more the Govt is looking at creating supply
>everywhere without a thought for the longer term. For example - on
>parking,
>the Municipality has suggested building huge underground car parks in
>certain areas. So we're talking - more supply for parking so that more
>people use cars to travel more often on roads that don't expand as
>often.
>Something's not right in that.
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>Regards,
>Anupam Gupta
>+91 22 6650 5074
>Mobile +91 98204 98981
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